[01:46] <cjohnston> 50
[01:46] <cjohnston> uggh
[11:04] <TrickyJ> Ronnie, Hey there
[11:04] <Ronnie> hey TrickyJ, long time no see
[11:05] <TrickyJ> Yaap been very busy with Exams and work
[11:05] <TrickyJ> How are u doing out there Ronnie  howzz ur work
[11:06] <Ronnie> pretty busy here with my new job (which is awesome) and a lot of other projects
[11:06] <TrickyJ> Sounds great man keep going :)
[11:07] <TrickyJ> Ronnie, now its all set seems to be u dont have to ask for pocketmoney any more @ home right man ...!!
[11:09] <Ronnie> the last few years i didnt even got pocketmoney anymore. I earned my own money :D
[11:15] <TrickyJ> That's great Ronnie :) Congrats :)
[11:16] <Ronnie> TrickyJ: how are you doing?
[11:16] <Ronnie> how did the exams go?
[11:17] <TrickyJ> it sux man :( maths I hate it :P 
[11:17] <TrickyJ> hahaha.. rest goes on fine.. !! but maths.. :( its like diving ito the ocean and then dont know if able to swim back or not :P
[11:17] <Ronnie> lol
[11:18] <Ronnie> how many years of school before you graduate?
[11:20] <TrickyJ> well i left ma schooling 10 years back man.. i guess in 2002 i did 2 years junior college and then after that got busy in work and stuffs.. so did not gave much atentaion @ schooling :p 
[11:21] <TrickyJ> i took admission for BCA last year in 2010
[11:21] <TrickyJ> Batchelor of computer application 
[11:48] <Ronnie> TrickyJ: are you interested in loco-directory development again?
[12:12] <Ronnie> ping YoBoY
[12:16] <YoBoY> pong Ronnie 
[12:16] <Ronnie>  We as ubuntu-nl want to know how large loco-teams deal with stull like :
[12:16] <Ronnie>  - pressing cd's, posters, renting rooms for big release parties. Is here money involved or are these all sponsored
[12:16] <Ronnie> - How does the team deal with liability insurance (when something happens at release parties)
[12:21] <YoBoY> Ronnie: good question, how we deal with all of these crazy activities ^^"
[12:23] <Ronnie> our loco is investigating if a foundation could solve these 'crazy activities'
[12:23] <YoBoY> yes there is money involved for all the goodies we produce, at start small quantities "sponsored"by one or more members, and selled in the events before you can repay them. But now we have enough money (sells and donations)to do this without difficulties
[12:24] <Ronnie> YoBoY: who/how does your loco keep/manage the money?
[12:25] <YoBoY> we are structured as a volontary association
[12:26] <YoBoY> with a legal structure we can have a bank account
[12:27] <serfus> i wish we can have it this way as well
[12:27] <YoBoY> for the parties, members sleep at oher members places
[12:27] <Ronnie> YoBoY: whats the name of the volontary association?
[12:28] <YoBoY> ubuntu-fr
[12:28] <YoBoY> ;)
[12:29] <YoBoY> for the insurance the association have one for the events, it's not too expensive, and for the party in paris we have a convention with the venue
[12:29] <Ronnie> YoBoY: thx for the answers. Our loco plans look almost the same as your loco's
[12:30] <YoBoY> each country have ther own rules for associations and legal stuff
[12:33] <Ronnie> yes, here in the Netherlands we have different kind of volontary associations. Our investigation showed that a Foundation is the best for our loco.
[12:35] <Ronnie> YoBoY: if the association quits (which is very unlikely) what is your planning to do with the money and goods you have (its one of the things we need to decide when starting a association)
[12:36] <YoBoY> since last year we have done a great work to restart lot of things, and we have now an online store
[12:36] <YoBoY> this is defined in the status of the association, we plan to give everything to other association promoting free softwares
[12:46] <YoBoY> Ronnie: if you start a fondation you have to have a good and strong core group to maintain and organize everything, working with a council is a good start and changing regularly part of the council with election is important also
[12:51] <Ronnie> YoBoY: thx for the feedback. I think our loco has covered all these things, ill keep this conversation as a reference if you agree
[12:59] <YoBoY> ok, no problem, don't forget to ask to other teams how they work. We are a loco team + a french langage support team + langage team + crazy people + not an example for everyone :D
[13:01] <Ronnie> YoBoY: except for the crazy people and the loco-size, our loco looks pretty much the same ;)
[13:02] <Ronnie> we are working closely with the flemisch persons of the belgium team
[13:31] <Ronnie> ping paultag
[13:32] <paultag> Ronnie: pong
[13:32] <paultag> Ronnie: what can I do to help?
[13:34] <Ronnie> paultag: i have some questions about the legal use of the name ubuntu, do you know who i can contact?
[13:35] <paultag> Ronnie: sure. trademarks@canonical, you can try running it past me, I've had to deal with them a bunch (I can try to see if I know one way or the other)
[13:37] <Ronnie> paultag: as ubuntu-nl we want to start up a legal stucture (some kind of volontary association) and we want to use the name "Stichting ondersteuning Ubuntu­NL" freely translated to "Foundation support UbuntuNL"
[13:38] <Ronnie> may we use the Ubuntu name in the legal structure?
[13:38] <czajkowski> I think some teams have to set up foudnations but it does bring up a lot of hassle 
[13:38] <paultag> Ronnie: I believe this is valid usage, given that it does exactly pertain to Ubuntu it's self -- email canonical as a test
[13:38] <czajkowski> ie money
[13:38] <czajkowski> bank accounts
[13:38] <czajkowski> insurance 
[13:38] <paultag> Ronnie: it sounds fine, just be careful in the administration of the structure
[13:38] <paultag> aye, what czajkowski said
[13:39] <czajkowski> it's usally not recommended 
[13:39] <czajkowski> as it becomes a legal entitiy 
[13:39] <czajkowski> you risk becoming liale 
[13:39] <czajkowski> *liable 
[13:39] <czajkowski> etc
[13:39] <paultag> czajkowski: ubuntu us ny has been kicking arse at this
[13:39] <czajkowski> have to go sorry
[13:39] <paultag> czajkowski: they have that set up and it works for them
[13:39] <czajkowski> paultag: :/
[13:40] <czajkowski> I'm really sorry cant get into it atm 
[13:40] <czajkowski> on  a conf call
[13:40] <czajkowski> but I do know it doesnt sit well with some people
[13:42] <Ronnie> the money, bank accounts, insurance has been taking care of. A legal structure is better for our volunteers, because without the structure, the volunteers itself are responsible
[13:42] <paultag> +1 Ronnie 
[13:42] <czajkowski> yeah but again you're now using canonical name so just becare 
[13:42] <czajkowski> *careful 
[13:42] <Ronnie> also a legal structure allows us to manage goods and money received from companies that donate
[13:42] <paultag> the ubuntu name*
[13:43] <paultag> and since it's actually about Ubuntu, it's OK
[13:43] <paultag> and it's even an official ubuntu function :)
[13:43] <paultag> email them, but it should be fine
[13:43] <Ronnie> also companies easier donate to legal structures than to 'some group of people'
[13:44] <Ronnie> ill email trademark to get an official answer so we and canonical have this 'on paper'
[13:44] <Ronnie> thx paultag and czajkowski
[13:44] <paultag> yar