[02:51] <ochosi> yet another announcement: http://shimmerproject.org/2011/07/a-good-weekend-in-window-managers/
[14:12] <charlie-tca> Good Morning
[14:12] <charlie-tca> We have images, and they are mostly working
[14:13] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting today at 22:00 UTC
[14:14] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: I will track down didrocks or RAOF tonite/tomorrow to try and get the live sessions fixed
[14:18] <mr_pouit> o hai
[14:18] <mr_pouit> no need to track didrocks
[14:18] <charlie-tca> no?
[14:19] <mr_pouit> yeah, we're only waiting for the x11-common upload
[14:19] <charlie-tca> okay
[14:19] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[14:19] <charlie-tca> I caused a bit of a stir in the release meeting about it
[14:20] <mr_pouit> yeah, well Robert replied with not so useful comments two days ago, so I won't wait for him to reply again and do differently
[14:20] <charlie-tca> I saw that
[14:22] <charlie-tca> I was talking about bug 804734, which they sent upstream
[14:23] <charlie-tca> I want the fix now, now when they get the upstream to push it back to us
[14:23] <charlie-tca> s/now/not
[14:24] <charlie-tca> A fix that goes upstream to xorg doesn't mean we will even see it this release
[14:26] <mr_pouit> ah ok. For this one, didrocks convinced RAOF to ship it in xorg, so yeah, you can try to track him (= RAOF) down
[14:28] <mr_pouit> btw, I received your mails, but no time to reply yet :>
[14:30] <charlie-tca> I sent a new one this morning. I have to fix my own mistake about the teams
[14:30] <charlie-tca> project lead picks from Xubuntu Team for the council, right?
[14:31] <charlie-tca> so, to get a council set up eventually, I have to build the Xubuntu Team properly first
[14:32] <charlie-tca> I am trying to get this stuff straightened out the best we can, before it is time to pick another leader. 
[15:03] <charlie-tca> bug 811909, lightdm won't allow the user to login selecting name. Must select "Other..." and enter that user name, then password.
[21:24] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 35 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[21:24] <GridCube> :D
[21:34] <GridCube> charlie-tca, i downloaded the desktop from torrent.ubuntu.com but there is only alpha2 and no current :(
[21:36] <GridCube> i can't do testings if i dont have the current image XD
[21:36] <charlie-tca> right
[21:37] <charlie-tca> daily images are not in torrent
[21:37] <charlie-tca> you have to grab them from http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/
[21:37] <GridCube> yeah i figured that out, yeap
[21:37] <Unit193> charlie-tca: Desktop fixed and working?
[21:37]  * charlie-tca thinks zsync... ;)
[21:37] <charlie-tca> no
[21:38] <charlie-tca> it installs, though, from the menu
[21:38] <charlie-tca> then you have to pick "other..." as user, enter the real user name and password
[21:38] <Unit193> In that case, I was right! I'm 18 before the CDs are fixed! :P
[21:38] <charlie-tca> or you can not login
[21:42] <GridCube> woah since alpha2 about 50% of the image has changed
[21:45] <charlie-tca> of course. That changed as soon as they got an image
[21:45] <charlie-tca> (it did take over a week to get an image, too)
[21:46] <GridCube> its nice to know you people work so hard :D
[21:47] <Unit193> You can tell that by just looking at the final Xubuntu!
[21:52]  * micahg tries to get the indicator merge done before the meeting
[21:53] <charlie-tca> Thanks, micahg 
[21:57] <mr_pouit> huhu nice, so we'll have something to say for "development" :P
[21:58] <micahg> ugh, I didn't realize it was going to be this messy...
[21:58] <charlie-tca> heh, mr_pouit can always say "we did a lot of small things that made life easier on the users"
[21:58] <micahg> mr_pouit: maybe you should take this, I don't entirely understand everything that xubuntu_exclude-modules.patch does
[21:58] <charlie-tca> or maybe "that will make life easier for the users"
[21:59] <charlie-tca> Um, meeting in 2 minutes, right?
[21:59]  * micahg tries the other merge quickly
[21:59] <micahg> I actually got libgtk2-notify-perl ported to libnotify4 so the only thing holding libnotify1 on th CD is transmission
[22:00] <charlie-tca> which we need for torrents?
[22:00] <micahg> yeah, but it's in the desktop set, they haven't done anything with it this cycle though
[22:00] <charlie-tca> Is everybody for a meeting today?
[22:00] <charlie-tca> pushy, pushy
[22:01] <charlie-tca> #startmeeting
[22:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Sun Jul 17 22:01:18 2011 UTC.  The chair is charlie-tca. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell.
[22:01] <meetingology> Useful Commands: #topic #action #link #idea #voters #vote #chair #action #agreed #help #info #endmeeting.
[22:01] <GridCube> :D
[22:01] <charlie-tca> The full agenda for today's meeting is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[22:02] <charlie-tca> we will be following :
[22:02] <charlie-tca> * Old business
[22:02] <charlie-tca> * Team updates
[22:02] <charlie-tca>   * Packaging & Development
[22:02] <charlie-tca>   * Bug Triage & Testing
[22:02] <charlie-tca>   * Website & Marketing
[22:02] <charlie-tca>   * Artwork
[22:02] <charlie-tca>   * Documentation
[22:02] <charlie-tca> * Announcements
[22:02] <charlie-tca> * Governance structure
[22:02] <charlie-tca> * Any Other Business
[22:02] <charlie-tca>  and, in the interests of being common, we will try
[22:02] <charlie-tca> Reminder:   please use ".." on separate line when you've finished typing.   If someone wants to comment during the updates, please "o/", so we know to wait.
[22:02] <charlie-tca> again
[22:03] <charlie-tca> [topic] [22:03] <meetingology> TOPIC: [22:03] <charlie-tca>  * micahg to find what Ubuntu-desktop does with java in restricted-extras - Carried Forward
[22:03] <charlie-tca> any change?
[22:04] <micahg> nope
[22:04] <charlie-tca> this week?
[22:04] <charlie-tca> GridCube: go ahead and put together your best effort top 10, please
[22:04] <micahg> charlie-tca: yes
[22:05] <GridCube> :) ok will do it as soon as i get pass my exams
[22:05] <charlie-tca> [ACTION] GridCube to put together a top 10 FAQ for the website
[22:05] <meetingology> ACTION: GridCube to put together a top 10 FAQ for the website
[22:05] <charlie-tca> * start ML discussion on panels, reviews of current panels, launchers on panels, etc - Carried Forward
[22:05] <GridCube> (that be next week)
[22:05] <charlie-tca> any action of the reviews?
[22:06] <GridCube> charlie-tca, can i ask what "Carried Foward" means?
[22:06] <charlie-tca> means we did not do it yet
[22:06] <GridCube> oh, okay
[22:06] <charlie-tca> ochosi: go ahead and remove app finder from the launcher. Seems to be the only change I know of
[22:07] <charlie-tca>  * All teams need to review website content - Carried Forward
[22:07] <charlie-tca>   * insure http://xubuntu.org/contribute is up to date for each team
[22:07] <charlie-tca>    * send updates to the xubuntu-devel mailing list
[22:07] <charlie-tca>    * charlie-tca AT ubuntu DOT com
[22:07] <charlie-tca>    * post them and give us the URL
[22:07] <ochosi> charlie-tca: what exactly do you mean?
[22:07] <charlie-tca>    * submit a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website
[22:07] <charlie-tca> Have done all the reviews?
[22:08] <charlie-tca> you wanted a review of the launchers. Let's remove app finder from the launcher panel
[22:08] <ochosi> ah ok, well but you're aware of the fact that appfinder and xfrun will be merged?
[22:08] <ochosi> (or are already merged in fact iirc)
[22:08] <charlie-tca> I don't know if anyone else uses it, but I find snapshot to be most helpful in the panel
[22:09] <charlie-tca> what will that merge do?
[22:09] <ochosi> https://wiki.xfce.org/design/appfinder
[22:09] <charlie-tca> doesn't xfrun get run with Alt+F2?
[22:09] <ochosi> i know it's a bit of a long read
[22:09] <beardygnome> charlie-tca: what's snapshot? a screen capture app?
[22:09] <charlie-tca> yup
[22:09] <ochosi> yes, but now with alt+f2 you'll get something almost as cool as gnome-do
[22:10] <ochosi> you can start apps with autocomplete and you can expand the small launcher to get categories
[22:10] <charlie-tca> I have no idea what gnome-do is, so that didn't help
[22:10] <beardygnome> ochosi: that's coming in xfce 4.10 right?
[22:10] <ochosi> i already tried it here (think the separate git-branch recently got merged)
[22:10] <charlie-tca> how is that going to matter if application finder is in the launcher panel?
[22:10] <ochosi> beardygnome: well that's not really how xfce's release policy is working. they're doing individual components' releases now
[22:11] <beardygnome> so the merged app will be in 11.10?
[22:11] <ochosi> charlie-tca: it's just a bit of a different application now and i wanted to ask whether those doing the review where taking this into account, that's all
[22:11] <ochosi> beardygnome: that's what i'd assume
[22:12] <beardygnome> cool, i might then be able to ditch gnome-do....
[22:12] <charlie-tca> right now, to take a screenshot, you open Menu -> Accessories -> Screenshot. I find it much more convenient to click a launcher on my panels
[22:12] <beardygnome> charlie-tca: what about "Print Screen"? 
[22:12] <charlie-tca> ochosi: you never sent the email to the ML for the review
[22:13] <charlie-tca> I can never remember the keypresses I want. I guess screenshot is fine the way it is
[22:13] <ochosi> charlie-tca: yeah sorry, forgot about that
[22:13] <charlie-tca> * start ML discussion on panels, reviews of current panels, launchers on panels, etc - Carried Forward
[22:13] <beardygnome> charlie-tca: "Print Screen" opens screenshot for me
[22:13] <charlie-tca> well, then we are doing the review, right/
[22:13] <beardygnome> which is quicker than a panel button imo
[22:14] <charlie-tca> without knowing all the ins and outs of the chagnes, and referring to something I never use, it is really hard to discuss intelligently.
[22:14] <charlie-tca> I do remember something about xfrun gonna be more like gnome-do, now. IT made as much sense then as it does now. 
[22:15] <charlie-tca> without knowing gnome-do, that was a pretty worthless message to me
[22:15] <ochosi> charlie-tca: i don't mind if the majority thinks appfinder should be removed from there. i just wanted to let you know about the changes and if you (or those who are doing the review) want to know the details i guess it'd be best to read the wikipage i linked to
[22:15] <charlie-tca> any other changes we want to make to the panels?
[22:16] <charlie-tca> any questions so far?
[22:16] <charlie-tca> ochosi: sounds like it is all good
[22:16] <ochosi> k
[22:16] <charlie-tca> Has everyone reviewed the website?
[22:17] <GridCube> no, not really
[22:17] <beardygnome> charlie-tca: are there plans to add more news items?
[22:17] <charlie-tca> Let's get that done this week, please
[22:17] <charlie-tca> yes, if someone writes them, beardygnome 
[22:18] <beardygnome> could we pull in news from xfce or ubuntu, for example?
[22:18] <charlie-tca> We would like all the content there now reviewed, to make sure it is up-to-date and pertinent
[22:18] <charlie-tca> We won't pull from Ubuntu, since that is alll on the planet feed already
[22:18] <charlie-tca> pleia2: around?
[22:19] <charlie-tca> knome: here?
[22:19] <GridCube> I wonder, would that "up to date" be LTS or 11.04?
[22:19] <charlie-tca> we will make a note to get an answer, beardygnome 
[22:19] <charlie-tca> I think pulling from Xfce would be interesting, myself.
[22:19] <charlie-tca> both, GridCube 
[22:20] <charlie-tca> They apply to different audiences, but both would be current
[22:20] <GridCube> ok
[22:20] <GridCube> that makes sense
[22:20] <Unit193> As has been noted, we need new screenshots for upgrades
[22:20] <GridCube> i still use 10.04
[22:20] <charlie-tca> Can anybody get us good screenshots?
[22:20] <charlie-tca> looking for a volunteer here...
[22:21] <GridCube> i can give you screenshot of 10.04 whit greybird
[22:21] <Unit193> I don't know about "good", but I can do one in a VM
[22:21] <ochosi> charlie-tca: what kind of screenshots do you want/need?
[22:21] <beardygnome> do they have to be stock xubuntu?
[22:21] <charlie-tca> yes, since that is the product
[22:21] <charlie-tca> ochosi: replace bluebird on the website?
[22:22] <GridCube> oh, whats the "stock" theme for 10.04?
[22:22] <GridCube> albatros?
[22:22] <ochosi> charlie-tca: where exactly?
[22:22] <charlie-tca> I don't know
[22:22] <charlie-tca> where ever pleia2 wants them
[22:22] <ochosi> hm, i think i already did that tbh
[22:22] <ochosi> greybird is on the front-page and the tour
[22:22] <ochosi> those are the screenshots that pleia2 requested back then
[22:22] <GridCube> i can do a few screenshots of 10.04 whit standard themes, and whit up to date greybird too
[22:22] <beardygnome> I could do some screenshots from a vm, but my installs are pretty customised
[22:23] <charlie-tca> Unit193: any idea?
[22:23] <ochosi> i just looked through the website a bit and i can
[22:23] <ochosi> 't find any not up-to-date screenshots
[22:24] <beardygnome> do you want comments to the ML?
[22:24] <charlie-tca> I think they removed a few, because they were so out of date, but I tend to stay away
[22:24] <charlie-tca> beardygnome: for?
[22:24] <charlie-tca> yes
[22:24] <beardygnome> the website?
[22:24] <Unit193> charlie-tca: http://xubuntu.org/getubuntu will tell you how to upgrade with old screenshots
[22:24] <charlie-tca> as posted above, I will put the ways to send comments in the minutes, too
[22:25] <charlie-tca> GridCube: apparently, not 10.04
[22:25] <charlie-tca> ochosi: note Unit193's comment?
[22:25] <ochosi> Unit193: hm, true. yeah i guess those should be replaced (even if it's not a usability isse)
[22:25] <GridCube> as said i can screenshot the update manager asking me to update to 10.10
[22:25] <charlie-tca> It does reflect on the project, overall, though. 
[22:26] <Unit193> If you want 10.10 > 11.04, I can install it in a VM
[22:26] <charlie-tca> I think 10.10 to 11.04, since that is the current release
[22:27] <charlie-tca> or shoot both and let pleia2 decide what to use
[22:27] <charlie-tca> [ACTION] GridCube and Unit193 to get screenshots for the website
[22:27] <meetingology> ACTION: GridCube and Unit193 to get screenshots for the website
[22:27] <GridCube> oh, also im on a spañish setup :/ don't know if that changes things
[22:27] <charlie-tca> only the words
[22:27] <GridCube> oh, well then i will do it
[22:28] <charlie-tca> Any other discussion / questions on anything covered so far?
[22:28] <Unit193> Bug #784158
[22:28] <GridCube> i want to ask something to ochosi regerding the themes
[22:29] <charlie-tca> old business or new?
[22:29] <GridCube> new
[22:29] <charlie-tca> let's hold it for artwork then, okay?
[22:29] <GridCube> ok
[22:29] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] [22:29] <meetingology> TOPIC: [22:30] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Packaging and Development
[22:30] <meetingology> TOPIC: Packaging and Development
[22:30] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: your turn, please
[22:30] <mr_pouit> eh, so nothing new this week
[22:30] <GridCube> o/
[22:30] <mr_pouit> waiting on some uploads to happen (x11-common)
[22:30] <charlie-tca> GridCube: go ahead
[22:31] <GridCube> can we change gimp to something smaller/simplier?
[22:31] <mr_pouit> (merge of the newer xfce4-indicator-plugin release that fixes transparency in progress)
[22:31] <charlie-tca> That's important!
[22:31] <ochosi> mr_pouit: i'm also looking forward to the new session-menu/action-buttons merge
[22:32] <charlie-tca> GridCube: you can send that one to the mailing list with suggestions as to what to use?
[22:32] <GridCube> oh okay
[22:32] <GridCube> i propose gnu paint
[22:33] <charlie-tca> ML - SUBJECT possible change from gimp
[22:33] <GridCube> :)
[22:33] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: go ahead
[22:34] <mr_pouit> sorry, that's all :p
[22:35] <charlie-tca> I will say thank you to both micahg and mr_pouit for all their work getting Oneiric together. 
[22:35] <charlie-tca> This is going to a fun ride...
[22:35] <GridCube> :D i second
[22:35] <micahg> mr_pouit: well, we're down to 1 rdepend on libnotify1, which should get sorted this week (transmission -> 2.32)
[22:36] <charlie-tca> Thank you, mr_pouit. 
[22:36] <charlie-tca> any questions for development?
[22:36] <mr_pouit> micahg: yay :)
[22:37] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Bug Triage & Testing
[22:37] <meetingology> TOPIC: Bug Triage & Testing
[22:37] <charlie-tca> Testing had a bad week, since there were images until Thursday
[22:37] <charlie-tca> We will try to pick up again this week
[22:38] <charlie-tca> I am going to skip Website and Marketing for now
[22:38] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Artwork
[22:38] <meetingology> TOPIC: Artwork
[22:38] <charlie-tca> ochosi: your the person!
[22:38] <ochosi> hmkay, guess it's my turn
[22:39] <ochosi> last week was pretty productive
[22:39] <ochosi> i tackled a few things on my todo-list
[22:39] <ochosi> mostly window-manager related
[22:39] <ochosi>  * finished the compact xfwm4 theme (good as alternative for netbooks etc., 18px height instead of 24px)
[22:40] <ochosi>  * added full support for compiz (emerald and metacity themes)
[22:40] <ochosi> i also looked into gtk3 again in oneiric, have a working install here now. but tbh it's still pretty much a mess
[22:40] <ochosi> the unico engine seems unfinished and buggy
[22:40] <ochosi> i guess i'll postpone doing a real gtk3 port of greybird to some later stage
[22:41] <charlie-tca> ochosi: nice news post
[22:41] <GridCube> :D very nice indeed
[22:41] <ochosi> i also wrote a short blog article on shimmerproject.org
[22:41] <ochosi> if xubuntu.org gets easier to handle i can crosspost those kinds of articles there as well
[22:42] <charlie-tca> We still have hopes
[22:42] <ochosi> :)
[22:42] <micahg> ochosi: keep in mind that ideally for release, we should have a GTK3 theme so that we have a uniform look for all the apps (GTK2 & GTK3)
[22:42] <ochosi> micahg: it's hard to not keep that in mind if you're really testing oneiric
[22:42] <charlie-tca> Will we have to ship two themes, then?
[22:42] <ochosi> charlie-tca: no, it'll all be in the greybird-folder/package
[22:43] <charlie-tca> we are washing out some of the plugins in the panel, now
[22:43] <micahg> charlie-tca: no, the desktop team has a gateway that can use a GTK3 theme in GTK2
[22:43] <ochosi> charlie-tca: but on a technical level, yes, it will be two different themes (doubling the maintenance work for me :( )
[22:43] <charlie-tca> timer, clipman
[22:43] <micahg> ochosi: no, it shouldn't
[22:43] <ochosi> micahg: a gateway?
[22:43] <beardygnome> charlie-tca: washing out?
[22:43]  * micahg forgets what it's called
[22:43] <charlie-tca> making them invisible again, beardygnome 
[22:44] <micahg> ochosi: some type of theme proxy
[22:44] <ochosi> micahg: well, let me know about this, it sounds interesting (but also a bit scary)
[22:44] <beardygnome> so they appear in the indicator plugin instead?
[22:44] <ochosi> micahg: can't really imagine something like this will 100% work
[22:44] <charlie-tca> they don't appear, just take up space
[22:44] <charlie-tca> ochosi: I did see something on that. I just don't remember where
[22:44] <micahg> ochosi: well, the desktop team needed it since not everything will be ported to GTK3
[22:45] <ochosi> micahg: but they have a working gtk2 theme which they're porting to gtk3, so they can easily ship both
[22:45] <micahg> ochosi: the plan is to have 1 GTK3 that GTK2&3 apps use last I checked
[22:46] <ochosi> micahg: ok, interesting. i can ask luca about that. at the moment they're still shipping both
[22:46] <charlie-tca> We are keeping in mind that we are staying in gtk2 for this release, right?
[22:46] <micahg> yes, but some of the shared desktop apps will be GTK3
[22:47] <ochosi> tbh if i have a working gtk2 theme and i port it to gtk3 i won't drop the working gtk2 theme for some "proxy"-solution, at least not in the short run
[22:48] <ochosi> it'll hardly look the same anyway
[22:48] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[22:48] <micahg> ochosi: it should look the same, that's the goal
[22:48] <ochosi> micahg: well unless it uses the pixmap engine it's hard to believe for me, but i'm open for good surprises ;)
[22:49] <ochosi> but anyway, if anyone hears any details on this, please let me know
[22:49] <charlie-tca> okay, can we move on and discuss this when we get actual references to look at?
[22:49] <charlie-tca> GridCube: did you have a question about art?
[22:49] <GridCube> My question was this, can't themes be added to a ppa so when an update to the theme is done we can see it on the update manager? 
[22:50] <charlie-tca> ochosi: ??
[22:50] <ochosi> sry, i'm back
[22:50] <charlie-tca> is it a lot of work adding themes to the ppa?
[22:51] <ochosi> yeah, well actually this is planned already
[22:51] <ochosi> mr_pouit ^ ;)
[22:51] <GridCube> :D oh okay
[22:51] <ochosi> it seems we just haven't gotten round to it
[22:51] <GridCube> and then what about my whislist bug 800918
[22:51] <ochosi> and when i say "we", i mean the "royal we" (== mr_pouit)
[22:52] <charlie-tca> We need to add these kind of bugs to the bug list
[22:52] <ochosi> GridCube: i read and second that bugreport, but i think it should be done upstream or at least in coop with upstream
[22:52] <ochosi> GridCube: and it needs a coder :) (which i am not)
[22:53] <charlie-tca> Any bugs we want to be able to track easy, regardless of priority can be added to 
[22:53] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Bugs/OneiricOcelot
[22:53] <GridCube> :D well i just wanted to bring that up again 
[22:53] <ochosi> k, one last word on artwork, then i'm done:
[22:53] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit has been busy just trying to get us sessions working
[22:53] <charlie-tca> ..
[22:54] <ochosi> it's possible that the gtk-theme will change again slightly as soon as i start to work seriously on the gtk3 port. in my opinion it's really important that they look the same, so it's possible i need to change some things again
[22:54] <ochosi> so please be open for discussion and friendly about it ;)
[22:56] <charlie-tca> (..) ??
[22:56] <GridCube> :)
[22:56] <ochosi> that's it. that's all :)
[22:56] <charlie-tca> Thank you, ochosi 
[22:56] <charlie-tca> You have been very busy this last week!
[22:57] <charlie-tca> Any other questions for Artwork?
[22:57] <GridCube> not from me
[22:57] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC]
[22:57] <meetingology> TOPIC: 
[22:57] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Announcements
[22:57] <meetingology> TOPIC: Announcements
[22:58] <charlie-tca> I have a feew things here, so I will try to go too fast
[22:58] <charlie-tca>  * The next meeting will be on Sunday, 2011-07-25 at 19:00 UTC
[22:58] <charlie-tca>  * Important dates coming up:
[22:58] <charlie-tca>   * 10.04.3 Release: July 21, 2011
[22:58] <charlie-tca>  * 11.10 Alpha 3: August 4, 2011
[22:59] <charlie-tca>  * 11.10 FeatureFreeze : August 11, 2011
[22:59] <beardygnome> charlie-tca: shouldn't the next meeting be on a monday?
[22:59] <charlie-tca>  * 11.10 Release Date: October 13, 2011
[22:59] <beardygnome> i thought we were alternating?
[22:59] <micahg> 7-25 is a monday :)
[22:59] <charlie-tca> That is monday
[23:00] <charlie-tca>  * The next meeting will be on Monday, 2011-07-25 at 19:00 UTC
[23:00] <charlie-tca>  * UDS-P will be in Orlando, Florida October 31 - Nov 4. Please apply for sponsorship by August 24.
[23:00] <charlie-tca>   * UDS-P information at http://ubuntu-news.org/2011/07/15/ubuntu-developer-summit-sponsorship-now-open-2/
[23:00] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Any Other Business
[23:00] <meetingology> TOPIC: Any Other Business
[23:01] <charlie-tca> This is the chance to bring up all the stuff we haven't brought up yet :)
[23:01] <GridCube> again, nothing from me
[23:01] <micahg> is Firefox 6 in oneiric interesting?
[23:01] <charlie-tca> I am seeing a rather disturbing thing happening in #xubuntu
[23:01] <charlie-tca> sure, micahg 
[23:02] <micahg> beta 1 is in, beta 2 should get in next week
[23:02] <micahg> s/next/this/
[23:02] <GridCube> whats whit firefox numbering?
[23:02] <ochosi> charlie-tca: what are you seeing in #xubuntu?
[23:02] <charlie-tca> too many are now receiving answers of "I don't use Xubuntu, and can't really help with that"
[23:02] <micahg> GridCube: similar versioning to Chromium, major bump every 6 weeks
[23:02] <charlie-tca> If a user is coming to #xubuntu, they should expect to get xubuntu support.
[23:03] <micahg> charlie-tca: why are those people idling in #xubuntu then?
[23:03] <charlie-tca> any suggestions how to deal with this, other than flat out banning those users?
[23:03] <GridCube> yes i've seen that once or twice
[23:03] <charlie-tca> I am wondering the same things
[23:03] <beardygnome> o/
[23:03] <charlie-tca> go ahead
[23:03] <charlie-tca> beardygnome: 
[23:03] <beardygnome> whenever some says that, we could ask them why they are in the channel
[23:04] <beardygnome> and suggest to them that it is not helpful to other users to state that they can't help
[23:04] <charlie-tca> good suggestion
[23:04] <beardygnome> they *may* have a valid reason for idling in the room
[23:04] <ochosi> charlie-tca: you could add a bot-action for that
[23:04] <charlie-tca> I would like to see the channel ops watching for that, also
[23:04] <ochosi> that would make it easier ;)
[23:04] <GridCube> yes we could have an ubottu responce for that too
[23:04] <charlie-tca> good idea
[23:05] <beardygnome> they shouldn't get involved if they have nothing to add
[23:05] <GridCube> something like "if you are not an xubuntu user, please don't advertise it on this channel"?
[23:05] <charlie-tca> let's add one, since those users seem to speak up often now
[23:06] <charlie-tca> more like "Please do not disrupt the channel with off-topic subjects. If you are using Xubuntu, you are not helping this user." ?
[23:06] <charlie-tca> I don't really know how to word it, but I think it is quite serious.
[23:06] <GridCube> >if you are *not* using
[23:07] <GridCube> i agree charlie-tca 
[23:07] <charlie-tca> well, yeah, *not*
[23:07] <beardygnome> +1
[23:08] <charlie-tca> Okay, name for that?
[23:08] <charlie-tca> maybe ! notxubuntu?
[23:08] <GridCube> maybe !nothelping
[23:08] <GridCube> because they are not
[23:08] <charlie-tca> sure, I like that
[23:08] <beardygnome> +1
[23:08] <charlie-tca> anyone else?
[23:09] <GridCube> nope
[23:09] <ochosi> yeah, just don't make it a very strong suggestion to shut up
[23:09] <charlie-tca> well, it gets them banned in #ubuntu
[23:10] <charlie-tca> !topic
[23:10] <charlie-tca> I can't remember what it is now
[23:10] <charlie-tca> !offtopic
[23:10] <charlie-tca> anyway, are we okay with the suggestion, then?
[23:10] <beardygnome> i am
[23:11] <charlie-tca> if they continue, I suggesting calling ops and having them removed for offtopic discussions, myself.
[23:12] <charlie-tca> Okay, then. Any other discussions?
[23:12] <charlie-tca> Thanks for attending the meeting.
[23:12] <GridCube> :) thank you
[23:12] <charlie-tca> Your inputs are always welcome, whether in person or by email
[23:12] <charlie-tca> #endmeeting
[23:12] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sun Jul 17 23:12:57 2011 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell . (v 0.1.4)
[23:12] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://mootbot.libertus.co.uk/xubuntu-devel/2011/xubuntu-devel.2011-07-17-22.01.moin.txt
[23:13] <pleia2> sorry I missed it, but I didn't realy have any updates
[23:14] <charlie-tca> no problem, we skipped you today
[23:14] <pleia2> I will say that more generically canonical has been really amazing about support requests lately, so when we are ready to move on the theme I'm hopefully it won't take too long to get going on it :)
[23:14] <pleia2> er, am hopeful
[23:16]  * ochosi is keeping his fingers crossed
[23:17] <GridCube> :D
[23:30] <charlie-tca> !behelpful
[23:30] <charlie-tca> will be the new factoid. Keeps it positive. If they continue, call ops
[23:31] <beardygnome> sounds good to me
[23:45] <Unit193> I seemed to have missed that, I'll have to lookup the log bot
[23:48] <charlie-tca> pleia2: we need to try and get enough people in as website authorized changers, too. 
[23:49] <charlie-tca> Hopefully, we keep all we have, and the same privileges, to be able to grant others access when we decide we need to.
[23:49] <Unit193> charlie-tca: Should https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website/+bug/784158 be assigned to GridCube?
[23:50] <GridCube> but my system is old, in the fact thats 10.04 so i can be half of the fixer
[23:50] <charlie-tca> no, not unless he is the one doing the actual change
[23:50] <charlie-tca> We don't usually assign anyone
[23:51] <charlie-tca> we just add screenshots as an attachment to the bug
[23:51] <charlie-tca> and you add it to your own wiki page, as a project you worked on
[23:51] <Unit193> Eh, wiki updates >_<
[23:56] <charlie-tca> email to the ML, file a bug with them, email them to me or lyz
[23:57] <charlie-tca> or just do your own, by editing the page.
[23:57] <charlie-tca> got to run, bbiab
[23:57] <Unit193> Adios! And the bug is already filed