[07:14] <bambee> morning
[07:32] <bambee> WTF? http://paste.ubuntu.com/646270/ o_O
[07:34] <bambee> well, install libxine-dev solved the problem
[09:58] <shadeslayer> agateau: thx :)
[10:03] <shadeslayer> Riddell: poke
[10:03] <Riddell> ouch
[10:03] <shadeslayer> :)
[10:03] <shadeslayer> libindi upstream is weird
[10:03] <Riddell> I did warn you
[10:03] <shadeslayer> the PPA has indi apogee v1.2 but i can't find the clean sources
[10:04] <shadeslayer> the sf page has v1.1
[10:04] <Riddell> right, he hasn't released half the stuff
[10:05] <didrocks> hey, does kdebase-workspace needs to be updated? 4:4.6.3-1ubuntu4 can't be installed with libksignalplotter4 (kde-workspace) 4:4.6.90-0ubuntu2
[10:05] <Riddell> he's usually responsive to e-mail if you want to contact him, but that doesn't mean he'll do anything
[10:08] <shadeslayer> yeah already did, lets see what happens now :)
[10:29] <debfx> didrocks: it needs to be turned into a transitional package for kde-workspace
[10:40] <didrocks> debfx: oh ok, and what should replace kdebase-workspace-dev ?
[10:40] <didrocks> I bet kde-workspace-dev :)
[10:41] <debfx> indeed :)
[10:42] <apachelogger> rbelem: any news on whether grob is going to be open source?
[10:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: did we land qtwebkit2whatever in oneiric yet?
[10:44]  * apachelogger has 500 qtcreators installed -.-
[10:46] <jussi> apachelogger: congratulations, there isnt a me menu in Ubuntu anymore :P http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/07/ubuntu-11-10-menu-goodbye/
[10:47] <apachelogger> yeah, it was a terrible thing to begin with :P
[10:47] <apachelogger> I am not sure making a monster sized messaging menu is a good idea though
[10:47]  * apachelogger plays with phon while he installs qtcreator #501
[11:05] <jussi> apachelogger: you are the phonon/sound person... is it possible to use bluetooth phone headsets with kubuntu? does the sound work? 
[11:05] <apachelogger> guess so
[11:06] <apachelogger> I do not have one
[11:06] <apachelogger> PA takes care of that
[11:09] <jussi>  oh. ok then... /goes to play a little more
[11:10] <apachelogger> jussi: I guess bluedevil will help with setting it up
[11:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: iDunno, having a look now
[11:35] <jussi> shadeslayer: is that a new device or service form apple? iDunno ?:P
[11:36] <shadeslayer> could be, iDunno :P
[11:36] <jussi> heh
[11:37] <debfx> didrocks: you don't happen to be interested in maintaining qtwebkit? :p
[11:38] <didrocks> debfx: not a question of interest, more a question of time ;)
[11:55] <debfx> didrocks: but it's really worth the time! you even get to generate your own tarballs, which of course don't work without patching the buildsystem first
[11:57] <didrocks> debfx: sounds so attractive… I have my own nice upstream for that already :)
[12:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: debfx Riddell re:libindi , can we allow upstream sources in the archive if there was no proper upstream release and the sources were downloaded from a PPA?
[12:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes but you need to make sure the licencing is ok (his often isn't) and it has a sensible version number and that it's actually sensible to release (maybe it's full of bugs)
[12:31] <rbelem> apachelogger, no idea yet :-(
[12:32] <rbelem> apachelogger, i will check that
[12:32] <apachelogger> rbelem: kthx
[12:35] <apachelogger> rbelem: really awesome thing
[12:35] <apachelogger> would love ot have it on kubuntu mobile :D
[12:37] <rbelem> a really good browser :-) and it is using qtwebkit
[12:39] <apachelogger> jus
[12:39] <shadeslayer> hmm
[12:39] <apachelogger> hence I want shadeslayer to push whatever qtwebkit we need to oneiric :P
[12:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i need to finish libindi first
[12:39] <apachelogger> kk
[12:40] <apachelogger> rbelem: got the n950 today
[12:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: pics :D
[12:40] <rbelem> apachelogger, nice :-)
[12:40] <apachelogger> rbelem: do you happen to know whether the player is made using qtmmkit?
[12:40] <apachelogger> cause it can't even do 720p
[12:40] <rbelem> apachelogger, it is using mafw
[12:40] <apachelogger> in 2007 or something the first omap3s were able to do 720p IIRC, so that is a bit scary
[12:41] <rbelem> apachelogger, which uses gsteamer 
[12:41] <apachelogger> odd enough then
[12:41] <apachelogger> I have seen some videowidget stuff for meego some time ago, that had generally sane code
[12:42] <apachelogger> anyhow
[12:42] <apachelogger> I am bringing vlc to the phone, so screw that stinky old player :P
[12:42] <rbelem> vlc rulez
[12:43] <apachelogger> oh yes it does
[12:46] <rbelem> i think they should invest more time to improve multimedia in qt than in mafw
[12:47] <shadeslayer> mafw?
[12:48] <rbelem> it is a maemo thing to takecare of multimedia
[12:48] <shadeslayer> ah
[12:48] <shadeslayer> ~np
[12:48] <kubotu> shadeslayer_ hasn't played anything recently
[12:48] <shadeslayer> seems last.fm db's are down or sth
[12:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: mafw essentially does maemo device optamized pipeline building IIRC
[12:49] <shadeslayer> pipeline what
[12:49] <apachelogger> rbelem: for all I care they should throw away qtmmkit and use the superior solution :P
[12:49] <shadeslayer> you forget that i'm a maemo/meego newb
[12:50] <apachelogger> rbelem: last I checked qtmmkit did not take openmax into account
[12:50] <apachelogger> so gstreamer had everything nicely in the graphics memory and then qtmmkit came along and dragged it into system memory, only to upload it to graphics memory again
[12:51] <apachelogger> mm could do with some love in qt
[12:51] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: dude, pipelien architecture?
[12:51] <apachelogger> common in graphics/video/audio processing? :P
[12:51] <shadeslayer> dunno
[12:52] <shadeslayer> this the first time i heard about it :)
[12:52] <apachelogger> :O
[12:52] <apachelogger> I wonder what you learn for your exams
[12:52] <rbelem> apachelogger, do you know if qtmmkit  or related thing needs maintainer?
[12:52] <apachelogger> no idea
[12:52] <apachelogger> phonon can use hackers ^^
[12:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i learn about Radios and other electronicy stuff
[12:52]  * apachelogger loves to have minions :D
[12:53] <rbelem> thiago post in his blog something about this
[12:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: really boring
[12:54] <rbelem> apachelogger, i'm a minion of afiestas :-)
[12:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: sometimes, yes
[12:54]  * rbelem pokes afiestas 
[12:54] <apachelogger> :D
[12:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw am i still your minion?
[12:56] <shadeslayer> or was i relieved of those duties?
[12:57] <rbelem> apachelogger, afiestas and me were reviewing the priorities of filesharing
[13:00] <yofel> bambee: If you're already doing RC2, can you *please* say that on the wiki? and update meta-kde
[13:02] <bambee> yofel: sure
[13:03] <yofel> bambee: no wait, don't, I can't finish perlqt when you do that, can you take a look at korundum rc1 instead?
[13:03] <bambee> I replace the existing entry for kde 4.6.90 or I add another one ? (on the wiki)
[13:03] <yofel> bambee: scroll down ;)
[13:03] <bambee> korundum rc1?
[13:03] <bambee> ok
[13:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: dunno, depends on whether you plan on becomming a being of consciousness alone
[13:04] <bambee> yofel: so I just look at korundum rc1 for now?
[13:04] <yofel> if they do the tagging on the 20th, we have 2 days to make sure the licensing is right, which for the bindings is mostly not true
[13:04] <yofel> bambee: yes
[13:04] <bambee> ack
[13:04] <yofel> bambee: bah, I got confused, I meant kimono
[13:05] <yofel> I did korundum
[13:05] <bambee> ok
[13:06] <bambee> In fact I thought that the section for kde 4.6.95 was not on the wiki yet :)
[13:07] <yofel> I moved it down since we're not done with RC1
[13:08] <bambee> yofel: wiki updated, working on kimono
[13:17] <yofel> perlqt is another license nightmare :(
[13:18] <bambee> yofel: it's a new package or it has been splited ? (kimono)
[13:19] <bambee> splitted*
[13:19] <yofel> kimono is from kdebindings (kde bindings for c#)
[13:19] <bambee> ok
[13:37] <yofel> shadeslayer: gwenview copyright is fixed
[13:38] <shadeslayer> yus :)
[13:38] <shadeslayer> i'm looking at it :)
[13:39] <yofel> anyone an idea wth. the Perl Artistic License 1.0 is? ^^
[13:39] <shadeslayer> i've heard of artistic license's ... never seen one
[13:41] <yofel> ah, the dep5 page says to use 'GPL-1+ or Artistic-1' instead, fun
[13:41] <bambee> the mono packages for kimono are: plasma-scriptengine-kimono kio-monodoc libkimono-cil-dev libqyoto-cil-dev qyoto-dev ?
[13:41] <agateau> yofel: http://dev.perl.org/licenses/artistic.html
[13:41] <bambee> (I am not sure.. I don't know these packages :\)
[13:42] <yofel> agateau: thanks
[13:42] <yofel> can someone open the license links on http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep5/ btw.? http://spdx.org/licenses/Artistic-1.0 for example shows as XHTML source here, not the page
[13:51] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/gwenview] Rohan Garg * 7 * debian/ (control copyright gwenview.install) * Add GFDL licensing for docs
[13:55] <ulysses> o.o there are zombie 29 process of kded4
[14:00] <yofel> shadeslayer: can you take a quick look if I made any syntax errors? I've a headache by now... http://paste.kde.org/98251/
[14:14] <Quintasan> yofel: Is wiki up-to-date regarding 4.6.95?
[14:14] <yofel> should be
[14:14] <yofel> any idea what happened to kate?
[14:15] <Quintasan> *shrug*
[14:15] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: 
[14:15] <Quintasan> ^^
[14:21] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: its in bzr
[14:21] <shadeslayer> needs upload
[14:21] <shadeslayer> yofel: looking
[14:22] <bambee> did someone already do mono packaging ? ^^
[14:22] <shadeslayer> yofel: isn't the license part supposed to  have 2 spaces in the beginning? i see just one
[14:23] <shadeslayer> apart from that looks good
[14:24] <shadeslayer> yofel: oh, no email address of copyright holders
[14:24] <yofel> bambee: talk to Quintasan
[14:24] <yofel> shadeslayer: I don't see anything about spaces in the dep5 spec
[14:24] <bambee> Quintasan: ^
[14:24] <yofel> I'll see if I can find the mails...
[14:24] <Quintasan> bambee: Not done yet.
[14:24] <bambee> ^^
[14:25] <shadeslayer> and "2008 by Richard Dale" should be "2008, Richard Dale <emailaddy>"
[14:25] <shadeslayer> yofel: hmm, no idea then, i've always used 2 spaces
[14:25] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: kate and gwenview need uploading
[14:26] <Quintasan> gwenview -> cannot go into archive?: docs have no license at all it appears
[14:26] <Quintasan> is that fixed?
[14:26] <shadeslayer> yus
[14:27] <shadeslayer> bah, agateau forgot to place COPYING.DOC
[14:27] <agateau> shadeslayer: other projects do not have one
[14:27] <agateau> shadeslayer: so I cargo-culted them
[14:28] <shadeslayer> agateau: then they are broken, we need full license text afaik
[14:28] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I bet you repacked the tarball, did you?
[14:28] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: don't remember
[14:28]  * shadeslayer looks
[14:28] <Quintasan> ofc
[14:28] <shadeslayer> doesn't look like it
[14:28] <yofel> k, fixed, now to figure out what license copies are missing
[14:29] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Am I getting a fixed tarball or repacked one?
[14:29] <shadeslayer> depends on agateau 
[14:29] <agateau> Quintasan: ok, at least konsole does not have one, I can add a COPYING.DOC, no pb
[14:30] <shadeslayer> uh dude
[14:30] <Quintasan> agateau: Thanks, that makes mine and ScottK's life easier
[14:30] <shadeslayer> agateau: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdebase/konsole/repository/revisions/master/entry/COPYING.DOC
[14:30] <yofel> uh, for GPL-1+ or Artistic is it enough to add GPL-2, or -1, or both?
[14:30] <Quintasan> I would add 1
[14:31] <Quintasan> and mention that later version can be found the in the same directory as -1
[14:31] <agateau> shadeslayer: oh... it got added after my last update
[14:31]  * agateau is ashamed
[14:32] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: How do we get a new tarball?
[14:32] <yofel> Quintasan: this is about the full license copies
[14:32] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: we just repack the tarball
[14:32] <Quintasan> Oh
[14:32] <Quintasan> Add -1 then
[14:33] <yofel> do I need to add Artistic too? This perl licensing is confusing
[14:33] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: one sec
[14:33] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Do it, and don't forget to fix changelog
[14:33] <agateau> mmm... should i use FDL 1.2 or 1.3
[14:33]  * agateau hates licenses
[14:33] <yofel> agateau: 1.2
[14:33] <shadeslayer> agateau: afaik its 1.2
[14:33] <agateau> ok
[14:34] <Quintasan> yofel: I'd add Artistic too
[14:34] <Quintasan> Better safe than sorry and ~10kb more or less won't make a difference
[14:34] <yofel> Quintasan: then this'll be fun, now there's a LICENSE. I'll need to add LICENSE.GPL-3, .GPL-1, .LGPL, .Artistic
[14:34] <Quintasan> Gotta love policy <3
[14:35] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ping me when done
[14:35] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: also, upload to ninjas
[14:35] <shadeslayer> kwait
[14:35] <agateau> ok, COPYING.DOC added to gwenview master and KDE/4.7
[14:35] <shadeslayer> :D
[14:35] <Quintasan> agateau: Thanks
[14:36] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/gwenview] Rohan Garg * 8 * debian/changelog Repack gwenview tarball with GFDL 1.2 licensing
[14:37] <Quintasan> debfx: Are you planning on merging Qt from Debian anytime soon?
[14:38] <debfx> Quintasan: is there anything to merge?
[14:39] <Quintasan> debfx: I think they split -dbg stuff
[14:41] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: done
[14:42] <shadeslayer> should arrive in the PPA in a couple of minutes
[14:42] <shadeslayer> debfx: kate is done as well right?
[14:43] <debfx> Quintasan: we've already merged that
[14:43] <debfx> shadeslayer: yes, but it's still in NEW
[14:43] <Quintasan> debfx: Cool
[14:43] <shadeslayer> uh, you uploaded that?
[14:43]  * Quintasan looks at shadeslayer and points him to wiki
[14:44] <shadeslayer> i didn't know debfx uploaded kate
[14:44] <Quintasan> Now you know
[14:44] <shadeslayer> yus, fixing, what color did we use for NEW?
[14:44] <Quintasan> no idea
[14:45] <Quintasan> ScottK: Can you accept kate?
[14:48] <shadeslayer> since i'm not patching a package, can i use the native source format?
[14:49] <yofel> you don't have an orig.tar ?
[14:49] <shadeslayer> i do
[14:49] <yofel> then please use 3.0 quilt
[14:50] <shadeslayer> oh, so we use native when we don't have a tar?
[14:50] <yofel> yep, guess why it's called native
[14:50] <shadeslayer> i thought native was used when you don't modify any upstream file
[14:50] <ScottK> Will look shortly.
[14:51]  * yofel hands shadeslayer the dpkg-source manpage
[14:51] <shadeslayer> yeah was already looking at that and DebianMentorsfaq
[14:52] <shadeslayer> ah hmm
[14:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: native is used when we are upstream
[14:54] <shadeslayer> like debian is upstream to us?
[14:54] <Quintasan> !find autoreconf.mk
[14:54] <Quintasan> !info /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/autoreconf.mk
[15:03] <yofel> ScottK: got a minute? If this is the licensing: http://paste.kde.org/98269 - what license copies *have* to be in the source?
[15:03] <yofel> currently there's only a LICENSE file with the GPL-2 in it
[15:05] <ScottK> yofel: Since GPL-2 is GPL-1 or later that's legal, but it should have Artistic and GPL-1 in it.
[15:07]  * yofel goes adding 4 copies then after all..
[15:25] <shadeslayer> could someone also review the 2 indi packages in the ninjas ppa?
[15:27] <bambee> well, sorry but I think that I am the wrong person to package kimono... I know nothing about mono and mono packaging... these packages rules will just be ugly o_O
[15:32] <shadeslayer> wohoo : http://paste.kde.org/98287/ : indi-maxdomeii is broken
[15:34] <shadeslayer> lolwot (.text+0x20): undefined reference to `main'
[15:34] <yofel> did you use gcc on a c++ file?
[15:34] <shadeslayer> seems the build system did
[15:35] <yofel> hm, no, it used c++
[15:35] <yofel> freaky failure
[15:35] <shadeslayer> yeah
[15:35] <shadeslayer> i've already emailed the maintainer, lets see what happens
[15:36] <shadeslayer> i already had to patch the CMake file
[15:40] <apachelogger> /scratchbox/tools/bin/chown: changing ownership of `/usr/local/share/emacs': Operation not permitted
[15:40]  * apachelogger waves fist a bit
[15:40] <shadeslayer> i thought you were a vim guy
[15:41] <apachelogger> cmake looses emacsen-common for good knows what
[15:41] <apachelogger> perhaps ccmake
[15:42] <shadeslayer>  indi-spectracyber  ... funky name
[15:42] <yofel> apachelogger: you're not trying to debootstrap oneiric are you? ^^
[15:42] <apachelogger> no
[15:42] <yofel> hm
[15:43] <apachelogger> I blame it all on scratchbox
[15:46] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/perlqt] Philip Muškovac * 1 * (32 files in 4 dirs) Add perlqt packaging
[15:47] <shadeslayer> whoa :D
[15:47] <apachelogger> this is mad, nothing but mad
[15:48] <yofel> shadeslayer: 20 install files :P
[15:51] <shadeslayer> brb after dinner
[15:57] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/smokegen] Philip Muškovac * 6 * debian/ (changelog control copyright) resync with debian
[15:59] <apachelogger> [sbox-HARMATTAN_ARMEL: ~/cmake-2.8.5] > gcc cmake_bootstrap_10824_test.c -o cmake_bootstrap_10824_test
[15:59] <apachelogger> [sbox-HARMATTAN_ARMEL: ~/cmake-2.8.5] > ./cmake_bootstrap_10824_test 
[15:59] <apachelogger> bash: ./cmake_bootstrap_10824_test: No such file or directory
[15:59] <apachelogger> srsly
[16:01] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/smokegen] Philip Muškovac * 7 * debian/changelog Repack tarball to include missing license copies
[16:25] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/smokeqt] Philip Muškovac * 3 * debian/ (changelog control copyright rules) resync with debian and repackage to include missing license copies
[16:28] <shadeslayer> even more fun http://paste.kde.org/98365
[16:30] <yofel> well, autotools
[16:32] <ScottK> Quintasan: What's the license for part/syntax/data/find-trivial-regexpr.sh in kate?
[16:33] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ^
[16:33] <shadeslayer> yeah already looking
[16:34] <shadeslayer> ScottK: i'd say GPL2 for anything thats explicitly missing a copyright
[16:34] <ScottK> shadeslayer: That's not how it works.
[16:34] <ScottK> Was that file writte for Kate (then maybe) or copied from elsewhere?
[16:35] <shadeslayer> hmm .... will ask the copyright holder
[16:36] <ScottK> part/script/katescriptview.h is GPL 2 or 3.
[16:36] <ScottK> Missing from debian/copyright
[16:38] <shadeslayer> ScottK: looks like LGPL 2.1+ to me
[16:38] <ScottK> shadeslayer: On what basis?
[16:39] <shadeslayer> " ...  of the GNU Library General Public License as published by the Free Software Foundation ... "
[16:40] <shadeslayer> but then there's also " ... version 2 of the License, or (at your option) version 3."
[16:40] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Which file are you on?
[16:41] <shadeslayer> ScottK: part/script/katescriptview.h
[16:41] <ScottK> Right LGPL versus GPL.
[16:41] <ScottK> But it's not 2.1+
[16:41] <ScottK> It's 2.1 or 3.
[16:41] <shadeslayer> there's a LGPL v3 ?
[16:41] <ScottK> I theoretical LGPL 4 would not be allowed.
[16:41] <ScottK> Yes.
[16:42] <shadeslayer> ok i didn't know that, which is why i said 2.1+
[16:42] <ScottK> http://www.gnu.org/licenses/lgpl.txt
[16:43] <ScottK> Regardless, 2.1 or 3 is not the same as 2.1+
[16:43] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/smokekde] Philip Muškovac * 3 * debian/ (7 files in 2 dirs) resync with debian and repack tarball to include missing license copies
[16:43] <shadeslayer> right
[16:48] <shadeslayer> ScottK: anything apart from that?
[16:51] <ScottK> That's all I found looking at licensing.  I didn't look at packaging yet.
[16:53] <shadeslayer> alright, i'll try and fix this tomorrow
[17:02] <bambee> btw: https://code.launchpad.net/~bambi/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace/+merge/68176
[17:02] <bambee> https://code.launchpad.net/~bambi/kubuntu-packaging/kde-wallpapers/+merge/68175 :)
[17:06] <apachelogger> [sbox-HARMATTAN_ARMEL: ~] > cmake
[17:06] <apachelogger> bash: /usr/bin/cmake: No such file or directory
[17:06] <apachelogger> this is absolutely kaputt
[17:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: question, how does one use qVariantFromValue in pyth0rn?
[17:43] <apachelogger> dude
[17:43] <apachelogger> pyth0rn
[17:43] <shadeslayer> yus, i need pyth0rn this time
[17:43] <apachelogger> dude
[17:43] <apachelogger> pyth0rn
[17:44] <apachelogger> what the heck makes you think I'd know that kinda stuff about the pyth0rns?
[17:44] <apachelogger> like srsly
[17:45] <shadeslayer> so you don't?
[17:45] <apachelogger> course not
[17:46]  * apachelogger is busy with pyside anyway :P
[17:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: is pyside better or pyQt?
[17:47] <apachelogger> define bettar
[17:47] <shadeslayer> i need better QML integration
[17:47] <shadeslayer> so whichever has better QML support
[17:48] <apachelogger> qml support?
[17:48] <apachelogger> what you mean?
[17:48] <apachelogger> qml is a language of its own
[17:48] <apachelogger> hence the L in there :P
[17:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/98389 << i'm doing that
[17:49] <shadeslayer> currently segfaults :P
[17:50] <apachelogger> why?
[17:50] <apachelogger> ah, nvm, I really dont want to know
[17:50] <shadeslayer> but anyways, i need better QGV support
[17:50] <shadeslayer> its just a prototype ...
[17:50] <apachelogger> thy shalt not think about QGV
[17:51] <apachelogger> everything you do with QGV is going to go to shit once Qt 5 and superior QGS is out
[17:51] <apachelogger> anyhow
[17:51] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: prototypes be better done in cpp
[17:51] <apachelogger> with qmake
[17:51] <apachelogger> mhhh qmake :D
[17:51] <shadeslayer> heh
[17:51]  * apachelogger ponders migrating all of phonon to qmake
[17:52] <shadeslayer> if thats the case, i vote to drop phonon
[17:52] <shadeslayer> :P
[17:52] <apachelogger> you just dunno how to use qmake proper
[17:52]  * apachelogger is using it for libcutevlc
[17:53] <shadeslayer> uh-huh, try saying that after you look through qt script generator
[17:53] <apachelogger> shoot
[17:53] <apachelogger> /home/me/phonon-gstreamer-4.5.55/gstreamer/videodataoutput.h:48: Error: Undefined interface                                               
[17:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: dude, just tell me how to use qVariantfromValue and then i can go to sleep
[17:54] <shadeslayer> the docs are shot on how to use it
[17:55] <tsimpson> it's a "shortcut" for QVariant::fromValue()
[17:55] <apachelogger> lazy sill person http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.pyqt-pykde/4581
[17:55] <shadeslayer> well, yes, but how do i calll that method in python? qVariantfromvalue didn't work
[17:55] <tsimpson> try QVariant.fromValue(foo)?
[17:56] <shadeslayer> AttributeError: type object 'QVariant' has no attribute 'fromValue'
[17:56] <apachelogger> READDDDSG
[17:56]  * apachelogger chops of his fist and throws it after shadeslayer
[17:56] <tsimpson> yes, constructors are a good thing
[17:56] <apachelogger> -> building more debs for harmattan
[17:57]  * tsimpson wonders if the C++ -> Python code style in PyQt is really a good thing
[17:57] <apachelogger> pyside is coming anyway
[17:58] <tsimpson> isn't it supposed to be very similar to PyQt?
[17:58] <tsimpson> I think I even read it was mostly API compatible (besides imports)
[17:58] <apachelogger> except it is lgpl
[17:58] <tsimpson> well that's the only reason it exists
[17:59] <apachelogger> big reason for all I care
[18:00] <tsimpson> I don't see it as a huge issue, but I'm not Nokia
[18:00]  * apachelogger wonders why his phonon must be so broken
[18:00] <apachelogger> tsimpson: libraries should not be gpl, not ever
[18:00] <tsimpson> go tell GNU that
[18:01] <apachelogger> GNU clearly is not anywhere close to world domination... :P
[18:01] <tsimpson> when people get curious about (L)GPL, they google and get the the FAQ, which gently informs you that the LGPL is evil except for the C library...
[18:02] <apachelogger> which makes the educated reader wonder why it is ok for the c lib :P
[18:04] <tsimpson> so everyone can be forced to use the GNU libc, of course
[18:05] <tsimpson> and because, even GNU knows, people want paid-for software to *WORK*
[18:05] <apachelogger> so why can I not force everyone to use a cute pyth0rn? :P
[18:07] <shadeslayer> bwhahaha  program crashes at view.setSource
[18:07] <shadeslayer> great
[18:08] <apachelogger> while shadeslayer was playing around with pyth0rn I'd had finished the prototype in cpp and played a round of dungeons and dragons
[18:08] <shadeslayer> uh huh
[18:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you are supreme h4xor
[18:13] <shadeslayer> interestingly it works with pyside
[18:14] <shadeslayer> http://i.imgur.com/X40Oh.png
[18:14] <shadeslayer> pyside++
[20:09] <debfx> shadeslayer: the repacked gwenview tarball needs to have this commit applied: http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=gwenview.git&a=commitdiff&h=2b7ad82d680d4bed9ea984a3644844f8d79edba9
[20:51] <yofel_> apachelogger: you tell them: kde bug 277833
[20:59] <apachelogger> yofel: if I were to comment it would not ever get fixed
[20:59] <apachelogger> yofel: you might want to explain that this is a distro pov
[20:59] <apachelogger> though his argument is completely valid from a KDE POV
[20:59] <apachelogger> there is no reason why not to add it to make distro life easier