[00:00] <KM0201> do you think we'll ever see a time when you walk into a best buy, etc.. and buy a pc/laptop w/o an operating system, and you can purchase it separately (or use your own)....
[00:01] <stlsaint> KM0201: nope, but you can order one from off line that will be cheaper than store with no OS
[00:01] <KM0201> i doubt that
[00:02] <KM0201> i got a pretty nice laptop for $299 out the door saturday
[00:02] <KM0201> it SUCKS w/ 7 (not enough ram)... but it's awesome w/ Lubuntu.
[00:03] <stlsaint> KM0201: nice
[00:03] <KM0201> they sell you a cheap laptop, knowing your'e gonna be totally irritated that it's slow, because it doesn't have enough ram.
[00:03] <KM0201> i wonder how many got hoodwinked by that.
[00:04] <KM0201> and then.. i had to tell that clown at best buy, "No, I don't want any antivirus... I don't care that it's free"
[00:05] <KM0201> so the guy finally gets the drift i don't want AV, a free trial of office, etc.. takes me to the Geek Squad to check out (already knew i'd be in for another sales pitch)
[00:05] <KM0201> and of course they want to set my laptop up for me, and install Norton, and MS Office, bla bla bla.
[00:05] <KM0201> i finally had to tell them i'm just not interested in their stuff, and they finally let me pay
[02:33] <linuxman410> anyone here
[02:33] <linuxman410> lubuntu uses less ram than puppylinux
[02:34] <KM0201> linuxman410: i dunno about that
[02:34] <KM0201> how much ram does your system have
[02:35] <linuxman410> KM0201 i tried puppy live cd and lubuntu live cd with 768 ram and lubuntu was faster
[02:36] <KM0201> linuxman410: hmm, don't really see how thats possible, but.. ok.
[02:37] <linuxman410> KM0201 does lubuntu decided on lmde yet or not
[02:37] <KM0201> lmde?
[02:37] <KM0201> linux mint debian edition?
[02:37] <linuxman410> i mean light version
[02:38] <KM0201> i have no idea what you're talking about
[02:38] <KM0201> how much lighter can lubuntu be?
[02:39] <alazare619> i think he means a minimal install
[02:39] <alazare619> ie no apps
[02:39] <Unit193> linuxman410: LightDM or LXDM?
[02:39] <alazare619> wich in all honesty if you want that just get debian netinstalll and start from scratch
[02:39] <Unit193> linuxman410: There is always lubuntu-core
[02:39] <linuxman410> KM0201 they was talking about changing from lxde to something lighter i forget what it was
[02:39] <Unit193> !info lubuntu-core
[02:40] <linuxman410> light gm
[02:40] <KM0201> linuxman410: dunno, i like lxde, so i hope they don't change it just for the sake of changing it.
[02:40] <alazare619> afaik why not just do debian and choose your guy from the netinstall...
[02:40] <alazare619> or ubuntu netinstall
[02:40] <KM0201> never heard of light gm
[02:40] <KM0201> linuxman410: or do you mean light gdm?
[02:40] <linuxman410> yes
[02:41] <KM0201> i dunno
[02:41] <KM0201> i just hope they don't screw up lubuntu...
[02:41] <KM0201> Unit193: what is that alternative log in screen you sent me a while ago.
[02:41] <Unit193> Lubuntu uses LXDE and that will not change
[02:41] <KM0201> i wanna put that on my new laptop
[02:41] <Unit193> LightDM is what it's (so far) going with in 11.10
[02:41] <Unit193> KM0201: GDM
[02:42] <KM0201> ok.
[02:42] <Unit193> KM0201: Doesn't seem to work the best with Lubuntu
[02:42] <KM0201> Unit193: i got it on a desktop working fine w/ lubuntu
[02:43] <Unit193> Alrighty then, I never tried that hard :P
[02:44] <KM0201> brb
[02:47] <KM0201> it works fine
[02:47] <KM0201> i put it on my mom/dads/sisters PC... it was easier than telling them to type user names.
[02:47] <KM0201> now it's kinda like they had w/ Ubuntu, click a username, enter password
[02:49] <KM0201> that was weird
[02:49] <Unit193> KM0201: That's how it's going to be with LightDM (If they stick with it)
[02:50] <KM0201> yeah.
[02:51] <KM0201> Unit193: i kinda hope they go w/ it
[02:51] <KM0201> i like it
[02:51] <KM0201> but the default lubuntu screen doesn't bother me either.
[02:59] <KM0201> hmm, think i might have screwed something up
[02:59] <KM0201> lol, i'll know ina  second
[03:01] <alazare619> hows lubuntu performance everyone id like to know a little before i wipe my crunchbang laptop
[03:02] <linuxman410> KM0201 when is 11.10 coming out
[03:03] <KM0201> ok, got it fixed
[03:03] <KM0201> seems lxdm didn't co-operate as easily as i thought it would..lol
[03:03] <linuxman410> KM0201 when is 11.10 coming out
[03:03] <KM0201> 11.10 ---- october 2011
[03:04] <KM0201> linuxman410: thats how all ubuntu's are version numbers ar edone.... (Year year/month month)...
[03:04] <KM0201> so.. 4.10 came out... october of 2004
[03:04] <KM0201> 6.06 --- June of 06
[03:04] <KM0201> and so forth
[08:53] <john_rambo> when I click on the start menu, launchers ...nothing happens
[08:54] <john_rambo> opened xchat using Gnomedo
[09:02] <john_rambo> when I click on the start menu, launchers ...nothing happens  ..Just rebooted but same thing
[16:52] <zkriesse_> hello lubuntu-ers
[20:25] <EagleScreen> hello
[20:26] <EagleScreen> hoe can i enable auto-login in 11.04?
[20:32] <EagleScreen> I dont want to have to type my user and password in lxdm each time I start the computer up
[21:49] <lubun> i cant delete or transfer files off of my mp3 players and flash drive... it always shows errors... (i just did a fresh install) do i need to install drivers?
[21:51] <KM0201> lubun: what type of mp3 player and flash drive?
[21:51] <lubun> i have an old ipod nano... a phillips go gear aria, and a usb stick cruzer?
[21:52] <lubun> KM0201: see above
[21:52] <KM0201> ok, the "old nano".. use gtkpod to sync... ou can't drag/drop to them
[21:52] <KM0201> the cruzer... that's a sandisk isn't it?
[21:52] <lubun> yes
[21:52] <KM0201> ok
[21:53] <KM0201> on sandisk thumb drives, sandisk puts a utility on them, to keep them from being used on anything but windows, there's a utility you can install either from the ubuntur epositories (it's a command line utility) to remove that, you can use fdisk under ubuntu to do it, or you can boot wndows (if you still have it) and download a tool from sandisk, to remove it
[21:55] <lubun> let me try and find that
[21:58] <KM0201> lubun: if you still have windows....  http://u3.sandisk.com/launchpadremoval.htm
[21:59] <lubun> i do have it but on another pc.
[21:59] <KM0201> ok, then you'd need to sudo apt-get install u3-tool
[22:00] <KM0201> you might even be able to use fdisk to just wreck the thumb drive, and then format it to a new filesystem.
[22:00] <KM0201> lubun: keep mind, all those tools, you will lose data, so make sure any important data on the thumb drive, is backed up
[22:01] <lubun> well... i backup everything on a external HDD before i went from Ubuntu to Lubuntu. idk what happened, but now they dont work under lubuntu...
[22:03] <KM0201> lubun: your external hard drive (that worked on Ubuntu) won't work on Lubuntu?
[22:03] <lubun> no  i mean the devices
[22:04] <lubun> KM0201: its the mp3's that are not working... they worked fine in ubuntu
[22:04] <KM0201> li don't understand, an mp3, is a file, not a device.
[22:04] <KM0201> are you saying you cant play mp3s?
[22:04] <lubun> the only thing i ddint like was that the mp3 always had the music mixed up when i played it.
[22:05] <lubun> mp3 device
[22:05] <lubun> the go gear, the flash drive, the ipod
[22:05] <KM0201> ok, i don't know about the go gear and the flash drive, but the ipod, install gtkpod
[22:05] <lubun> well actuall i just got the sandisk but so idk about that
[22:05] <lubun> k
[22:05] <lubun> let me try to use that now
[22:14] <cg2916> how do you join the lubuntu artwork team?
[22:15] <KM0201> cg2916: i dunno, but they need help
[22:15] <KM0201> lol
[22:15] <cg2916> ok
[22:15] <KM0201> phillw: probably knows
[22:15] <cg2916> what with?
[22:16] <cg2916> phillw, do you know?
[22:16] <lubun> KM0201: heres a kind of off topic question do you know how to take pictures out of a ipod and save them to the computer?
[22:16] <KM0201> lol, uh, everything. lubuntu's artwork leaves a bit to be desired (although thats part of its charm)
[22:16] <KM0201> lubun: as far as i know, gtkpod should be able to do that... i don't have an ipod anymore...
[22:18] <cg2916> phillw must be afk
[22:18] <cg2916> he seems to know a lot, considering i see his name on every other page on the wiki
[22:18] <KM0201> lol, i think thats his "job" (to updat the wiki)
[22:19] <cg2916> yeah
[22:21] <cg2916> so, nobody knows about the artwork team other than phillw?
[22:21] <saganbyte> Hi there :)
[22:21] <saganbyte> I just installed Lubuntu for the first time and was wondering how I could change the font size for the system
[22:21] <saganbyte> In Ubuntu it was Preferences>Appearance, how s it in Lubuntu
[22:22] <saganbyte> Ok found id
[22:22] <saganbyte> it*
[22:22] <saganbyte> Thanks anyway :)
[22:22] <cg2916> sent phillw an email
[22:24] <lubun> even gtk wont let me delete,,,?
[22:24] <KM0201> delete what?
[22:24] <KM0201> songs on an ipod
[22:24] <KM0201> ?
[22:25] <lubun> yeah, i just get errors
[22:25] <KM0201> hmm
[22:27] <lubun> thats how i feel
[22:27] <KM0201> lo.l
[22:28] <KM0201> !ipod
[22:46] <KM0201> lubun: what happens when you try to sync the ipod back to your pc?
[22:48] <cg2916> phillw, you there now?
[22:48] <lubun> it says full, but thats becuase i have to much music
[22:49] <KM0201> jmm