[00:00] <KM0201> alex_mayorga: if you're using 11.10, pretty sure its gone.
[00:01] <alex_mayorga> KM0201: I know, just wondering what can I install to get the option back
[00:01] <KM0201> gnome 2.x is gone, but it might be in the repos if you want to install it (not using 11.10 at the moment)....
[00:02] <micahg> gnome 2 is mostly gone, superseded by 3.0.x or 3.1.x
[00:02] <KM0201> and unity fro that matter (if you're on ubuntu)
[00:03] <KM0201> but gnome 2.x is likely still in the repos if you want to use it.... i had a soft spot for Gnome 2.x, just can't get used to Unity or Gnome 3, so I started using LXDE, and it's just awesome.
[00:03] <micahg> KM0201: almost everything with a 3.0.x or 3.1.x has been superseded
[00:04] <KM0201> micahg: i understand that, but i imagine you can find 2.x somewhere...
[00:04] <micahg> KM0201: not in oneiric
[00:06] <KM0201> hmm.. i dunno, where theres a will, there's a way...lol
[00:06] <KM0201> just wouldn't surprise me if someone backported it, or someething like that
[00:06] <micahg> KM0201: with the 3.2 release GNOME won't support it either
[00:06] <KM0201> right.
[00:08] <bjsnider> it could be backported at the cost of breaking everything
[00:08] <bjsnider> so it wouldn't produce a usable desktop
[00:08] <micahg> it would be forward porting in this case
[00:08] <KM0201> lol
[00:09] <KM0201> well, the good news is, as bad as gnome 3 sucks, xfce seems halfway decent (but i don't care for it either)... and LXDE is just awesome..
[00:09] <bjsnider> using lucid would be the best way to use gnome 2 at this point
[00:09] <micahg> if you want 2.x to last as long as possible, lucid is the best option
[00:09] <micahg> heh
[00:10] <KM0201> i dn't really wanna use 2.x, i like 2.x, a lot... but i consider Unity/Gnome 3, train wrecks, so i just hopped off that train so i could start learning something else
[00:10] <bjsnider> no one's criticizing you, but you're wrong
[00:11] <micahg> well, there's GNOME 3 w/out shell
[00:11] <bjsnider> yeah, you coul duse a vt
[00:53] <alex_mayorga> so how do I get gnome3 on Oneiric?
[01:08] <rww> alex_mayorga: do you mean GNOME 3 or GNOME Shell?
[01:08] <alex_mayorga> rww: gnome 3
[01:09] <rww> alex_mayorga: Ubuntu Oneiric has GNOME 3 out of the box.
[01:10] <alex_mayorga> rww: so how I get whatever is "classic" now?
[01:10] <alex_mayorga> login only has unity and unity 2d
[01:11] <rww> no idea. If I were trying to do so, I'd probably install GNOME Shell and turn on fallback mode, but that seems like a roundabout way of doing it.
[01:11] <alex_mayorga> rww: what package is gnome shell?
[01:11] <rww> gnome-shell
[01:12] <rww> (bearing in mind that "classic" in Ubuntu 11.04 is GNOME 2.something, and there is no GNOME 2 in Oneiric)
[01:13] <KM0201> or embrace the horror, gnome as we know it is gone, move to LXDE or XFCE.. :)
[01:14] <Dr_Willis> thats what the kde users did... switched to gnome...
[01:14] <Dr_Willis> sounds weird.. but im getting so used to how the GUI on my phone  works.. pc's seem.. weird.
[01:15] <Dr_Willis> Now to test  Ocelot on my problematic Nvidia systems....
[01:15] <rww> KDE is fine after about 4.3 or 4.4. Perhaps GNOME will be fine after 3.3 or 3.4 ;)
[01:15] <rww> 3.2 already looks like it's going to be a vast improvement.
[01:16] <alex_mayorga> Dr_Willis: what phone OS do you have
[01:16] <Dr_Willis> android 2.2 right now
[01:16] <alex_mayorga> rww: thanks!
[01:16] <rww> alex_mayorga: let me know if it actually works, I'd be interested to know
[01:17] <Dr_Willis> KDE is very nice now. but its still just overwhelming in so many ways.. and so obscure in how to do things.
[01:17] <Dr_Willis> I hope unity at least 'works' on my machines in Ocelot.
[01:17] <alex_mayorga> rww: Breaks: gnome-control-center (< 1:3.0)
[01:18] <rww> !info gnome-control-center
[01:18] <alex_mayorga> :(
[01:18] <rww> alex_mayorga: and? :P
[01:18] <alex_mayorga> rww: only that
[01:19] <alex_mayorga> yup
[01:19] <rww> according to ubottu, oneiric doesn't have < 1:3.0...
[01:19] <KM0201> Dr_Willis: u gotta try lubuntu.. :)
[01:20] <KM0201> if kDE is overwhelming to you
[01:20] <Dr_Willis> KM0201:  thats what ive been using since the big change to unity...
[01:20] <Dr_Willis> :)
[01:20] <KM0201> Dr_Willis: then why change to kde?.. :)
[01:20] <Dr_Willis> lubuntu + AWN for a decent launcher panel
[01:21] <Dr_Willis> i was using Openbox + AWN. :)
[01:21] <rww> amusingly, I'm fine with KDE and find Lubuntu overwhelming due to the design... quirks. I guess it's all about what you're comfortable with.
[01:21] <Dr_Willis> windowmaker even..
[01:22] <Dr_Willis> trying to sit down and actually explain to someone how to use kde.. is.. overwhelming. :) i know where to find things/look for things.. but for most users it will be chaotic.
[01:22] <Dr_Willis> I still get confused and wonder where the 'copy dialog box' went to....
[01:22] <rww> what's a 'copy dialog box'?
[01:22] <Dr_Willis> a lot of the default 'desktop widgit things'  i still hve never gotten to work..
[01:22] <Dr_Willis> 'copying 100 of 1000000.... time.. 20 min.'  dialog window
[01:23] <rww> ah. yeah, stateful notifications are a bit fun
[01:23] <Dr_Willis> i forget its got that little notify icon at the boottom right in kde. :)
[01:24] <Dr_Willis> I just WISH someday the file managers would get smarter and start queing up the copy requests.. im constantly draging a 3gb file somewhere.. then another... then a few more.. and the disks  melt from trying to do all 5 at once.
[01:24] <rww> I disagree with a lot of Ayatana, but the whole "notifications should be notifications and not have buttons and progressbars and other random crap on them" idea turned out well.
[01:24] <Dr_Willis> I could sware ive seen OS's that do  queing that way.. :) perhaps beOS.
[01:24] <rww> notify-osd is a lot less confusing than KDE notifications
[01:48] <alex_mayorga> rww: so would my system break beyond repair if I install gnome-shell?
[01:48] <alex_mayorga> !info gnome-shell
[01:48] <rww> not more than it probably already is if you're running oneiric :P
[01:48] <alex_mayorga> fair enough
[01:48] <alex_mayorga> would Ubuntu ever show at http://www.gnome.org/getting-gnome/
[01:49] <alex_mayorga> or is that relationship now death for good?
[01:50] <rww> I doubt it. Ubuntu's priorities don't include showcasing the latest and greatest GNOME stuff. Fedora's do (to the point that they modified their plans for default artwork so they'd be more like upstream).
[01:51] <rww> (disclaimer: I know nothing about openSUSE)
[01:53] <alex_mayorga> rww: all packages have been fetched and installed
[01:54] <alex_mayorga> now how do I activate it?
[01:54] <alex_mayorga> something to reconfigure?
[01:55] <rww> the dropdown in GDM, I'd assume
[01:55] <alex_mayorga> BRB
[01:58] <alex_mayorga> it works!
[01:58] <alex_mayorga> looks "odd" too though :(
[01:58] <Dr_Willis> hot pink and puce theme?
[01:58] <alex_mayorga> that or "I'm getting old"
[01:59] <Dr_Willis> the next trend in gui design. :)  'im too old to understand'
[01:59] <Dr_Willis> Old Otter. :) for the next release.. for us old timers.
[02:00] <alex_mayorga> I guess we'd be beyond "windows" soon :)
[02:02] <Dr_Willis> we seem to be going full circle in many ways.. theres to many   things i notice that 'this feature is not configureable'  seems to get applied to.
[02:02] <Dr_Willis> a long way from the 'pick your window mnager, pick your file manager, pick your launcher... ' from the days of old...
[02:07] <alex_mayorga> Dr_Willis: In all fairness, the only reason I boot up a PC these days is to launch a web browser :S
[02:17] <Dr_Willis> alex_mayorga:  i do more web surfing on my cellphone then the pc.. :)
[02:17] <Dr_Willis> night all...
[02:32] <alex_mayorga> seems like gnome shell doesn't have the weather icon either :(
[03:57] <h00k> I think Oneric's wallpaper slideshow should transition nicely
[09:27] <proti> morning
[09:28] <proti> #802626
[09:28] <proti> If anybody could have a look.
[09:29] <proti> It's another problem at boot. vgchange -a y just hangs and hanged the whole boot process.
[09:29] <proti> It became unkillable.
[10:22] <BUGabundo> morning
[12:17] <smerz> [18.07.2011 14:17:03] erasedata: plugin can't start for unknown reason.
[12:17] <smerz> [18.07.2011 14:17:03] seedingtime: plugin can't start for unknown reason.
[12:17] <smerz> rutorrent reinstall doesn't seem to work :(
[12:17] <smerz> argh
[12:17] <smerz> my bad. wrong chan sry
[12:46] <dr_willis> well so far this release boots better for me. i just cant get to the gnome desktop. just a screen and pointer.. i dont even see it ask for my password
[12:46] <dr_willis> console works nicely. ;)
[13:07] <lamalex> hi guys. when i log in it just hangs. with lightdm
[13:07] <lamalex> i can't get into any sessions
[13:08] <dr_willis> same issue here lamalex
[13:09] <lamalex> dr_willis: have you found any way around it?
[13:09] <dr_willis> startx works.. almost
[13:09] <dr_willis> not beat on it yet. just installed from daily build last night
[13:11] <lamalex> when you do startx do you just get a failed to load session "gnome" error
[13:11] <lamalex> dr_willis: ^
[13:13] <lamalex> dr_willis: what kind of graphics chip do you have
[13:20] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:21] <charlie-tca> Try choosing "Other..." on the lightdm login, then enter the name and password.
[13:22] <lamlex> charlie-tca: yah ij ust found that bug report
[13:22] <lamlex> was about to poing dr_willis with it :{
[13:22] <lamlex> :P
[13:24] <dr_willis> lamlex: yeo. so i maded a custome .xsession
[13:25] <dr_willis> i never saw where to enter pass on litedm
[13:26] <dr_willis> i made .xsession run  gnome-terminal, and exec  gnome-session --session=gnome  i think
[13:27] <lamlex> dr_willis: did you try charlie-tca's suggestion of doing 'other' then typing your username manually?
[13:27] <dr_willis> not at home so i cant try it
[13:27] <lamlex> ok
[13:28] <dr_willis> i was playing with other distros the last 3 days. ;)
[13:28] <dr_willis> then decided to try  the alpha
[13:39] <lamalex> dr_willis, it works!
[13:41] <dr_willis> what did?
[13:42] <lamalex> choosing other at the lightdm screen
[13:42] <dr_willis> heh. gotta love workarounds
[13:46] <BluesKaj> does the nvidia-current driver still break X ?
[13:48] <BluesKaj> or the reverse ?
[13:48] <lamalex> BluesKaj, nope- it's ok here
[13:49] <BluesKaj> lamalex, which nvidia card ?
[13:49] <BluesKaj> I have the 8400gs and 7600gt on my older machine
[13:49] <lamalex> BluesKaj, honestly i forget what mine is. whatever is in the last gen of macbook pros
[13:49] <BluesKaj> 8400gs on this
[13:55] <BluesKaj> well this is a pretty generic HP desktop , so that's a difficult prdeiction and comparison to make :)
[13:55] <yofel> BluesKaj: my problem's bug 810647
[13:57] <BluesKaj> ok yofel thanks...checking
[14:03] <BluesKaj> yofel, did you blacklist nouveau ?
[14:05] <yofel> no, I didn't see that solution fast enough, so I did it the brute force way:
[14:05] <yofel> sudo rm /lib/modules/3.0.0-5-generic/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/nouveau/nouveau.ko
[14:05] <yofel> sudo update-initramfs -k $(uname -r) -u
[14:08] <BluesKaj> hmm. glad to see there's a fix/workaround , but I think I'll wait for a while anyway
[17:46] <dupondje> Nobody happen to have a Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6230 ?
[17:46] <dr_willis> nope
[17:55] <KM0201> dupondje: why?
[17:55] <KM0201> my new laptop has a Celeron P4600, whatever that is
[17:55] <KM0201> lol
[17:56] <KM0201> dr_willis: why did you remove the caps from your name?
[17:56] <dr_willis> to hide from my enemies...
[17:56] <dr_willis> ;)
[17:56] <KM0201> lol
[17:58] <dupondje> Need to have someone that can simulate an issue I have
[18:00] <KM0201> hmm
[18:00] <Pici> At least hes identified today.
[18:04] <robin0800> has anyone found a wallpaper changer that works in 11.10 the background gnome3? is now from somewhere different I think
[19:43] <donniezzdfsdfs> I can't get to my desktop. As soon as i click my login name in lightdm it goes off. No password is asked. I am left to a blank screen. I can get to tty.
[19:44] <charlie-tca> click on Other..., enter your username and password
[19:49] <donniezzdfsdfs> thanks charlie-tca
[20:48] <BUGabundo> evening!
[21:14] <edasdsadsa> Hello
[21:14] <edasdsadsa> somebody know if gnome 3 is included in ubuntu 11.10 yer ?
[21:14] <edasdsadsa> yet ?
[21:15] <micahg> edasdsadsa: gnome 3 packages are, gnome 3 w/out shell I don't think exists as a unit yet
[21:15] <edasdsadsa> okay it is not chooseable in the lightdm jetzt ?
[21:15] <edasdsadsa> jetzt = yet
[21:16] <micahg> not that I know of, but gnome shell should be
[21:17] <edasdsadsa> yes i meant the gnome shell
[21:17] <Dimmuxx> you have to install gnome-shell if you want to use it
[21:17] <edasdsadsa> ah
[21:17] <edasdsadsa> okay
[21:17] <edasdsadsa> and do you think in the final release gnome-shell will be preincluded
[21:17] <Dimmuxx> it won't
[21:18] <edasdsadsa> i have a problem with unity
[21:18] <edasdsadsa> maybe you can help ,e
[21:18] <edasdsadsa> me
[21:18] <BUGabundo> only one?
[21:18] <BUGabundo> lucky u
[21:19] <edasdsadsa> if a window
[21:19] <edasdsadsa> is more than 50 percent on the other virtual desktop
[21:19] <edasdsadsa> and i maximize it
[21:20] <edasdsadsa> it maximizes on the other desktop
[21:23] <edasdsadsa> no help
[21:36] <jakemp> I'm using the Oneric Alpha, and I am getting a strange lag in cursor response.
[22:02] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, you notice the new flash plugin causing the whole desktop to crash?
[22:03] <BUGabundo> nope
[22:03] <BUGabundo> I'm using 11 .so
[22:03] <BUGabundo> 64bits
[22:10] <KM0201> wha tis a bit, and why do we need 64 of them, and not 96 or 128?
[22:11] <BUGabundo> what??