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philipballewi need to add a repositiory to my sorces list. can someone help with that00:56
philipballewhttp://kismetwireless.net/download.shtml00:56
stlsaintphilipballew: use add repository command00:59
stlsaintphilipballew: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:<repository-name>01:00
philipballewits not a ppa though?01:01
philipballewstlsaint,01:01
stlsaintphilipballew: you can still use a command but we will add it manually01:03
stlsaintphilipballew: first make a backup of your current sources.list01:03
philipballewokay01:03
stlsaintsudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.backup01:03
philipballewdone01:04
stlsaintphilipballew: you running ubuntu?01:04
stlsaintif so what version01:04
philipballew11.0401:04
philipballewnatty01:04
philipballew2.6.3801:04
stlsaintalright01:04
stlsaintwell use your fav editor to open the sources.list01:05
stlsaintif gedit than use:01:05
philipballewo opend the list in vi01:05
philipballew8i01:05
philipballew*i01:05
philipballewsame thing though01:05
stlsaintalright well at the bottom of that file ad this entry:01:05
stlsaintdeb http://www.kismetwireless.net/code/ natty kismet01:05
stlsaintyou can put a comment in there above it like:01:05
stlsaint#This is repo for kismet01:05
stlsaintor whatever01:05
stlsaintphilipballew: then add the kismet gpg key to your keyring01:06
stlsaintphilipballew: run command:01:06
stlsaintcurl https://www.kismetwireless.net/code/dists/kismet-release.gpg | sudo apt-key add -01:06
stlsaintthen update01:07
stlsaintphilipballew: sudo apt-get update01:07
stlsaintand you should be good to go01:07
stlsaintfor more on repositories see here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories01:08
stlsaintphilipballew: ok?01:09
philipballewits updating :)01:10
philipballewslow internet01:10
stlsaintkk01:11
philipballewit updated. lets see if it works now i guess01:12
philipballewim upgrading01:13
stlsaintphilipballew: do you have a launchpad account?01:14
philipballewwhy yes i do.01:14
philipballewi have to01:14
philipballewdo you?01:14
stlsaintphilipballew: oh nevermind, im thinking of something else01:15
philipballewhaha, i,m a ubuntu member so i need one01:15
stlsaintgotcha01:15
stlsaintphilipballew: must never had to do much with repos then huh?01:16
philipballewnever. but kismet version apt-get has is made in 200801:16
stlsaintlol wow01:18
philipballewhow can i see the names of all computers on my network03:27
Error404NotFoundshould say all the names when you go to yer network..03:31
philipballewgo to my network? Error404NotFound03:33
Error404NotFoundplaces network03:36
Error404NotFoundshould show all connected computers03:36
philipballewthen if i hook up to a cat5 it would show the ones connected that way?03:38
NeoncamouflageHook two computers straight into each other or through a router?03:41
philipballewhaha. seemes logical03:41
NeoncamouflageI would assume it would work if you just wired them both together, never tried it though, I've always gone through a router.03:42
NeoncamouflageDoes seem like one of those obvious things you assume will work automatically but doesn't.03:43
Error404NotFoundyou can wire 2 computers directly together but you need a special wire03:44
NeoncamouflageWhat wire?03:45
Error404NotFoundall wires on one side of the rj45 have to be complete oppisite03:45
Error404NotFoundotherwise send from one computer goes to send on the other03:45
Error404NotFoundneed to reverse so send goes to recieve03:46
NeoncamouflageHmm, interesting. This special wire have a name? Or do you just have to know what you're looking for?03:47
Error404NotFoundcrossover cable03:48
Error404NotFoundor cross cable03:48
philipballewcrossover cable03:49
Error404NotFoundgo here03:49
Error404NotFoundhttp://en.kioskea.net/contents/elec/rj45croise.php303:49
NeoncamouflageCool, thanks03:50
Error404NotFoundjust swap green and orange wires03:50
Error404NotFoundand you got a crossover cable03:50
Error404NotFoundlol @ Neoncamouflage03:50
Error404NotFoundkind of an oxymoron isnt it?03:51
Error404NotFoundphilipballew:  if you put a switch on the orange wire you got a lag switch...03:53
NeoncamouflageYep, why I love it.03:53
geirhaIt would work great in a 50's sci fi03:54
NeoncamouflageAlright, probably a stupid question, but why do some bash scripts have "done" at the end and some don't?04:10
gomaI'm setting up the firewall. I don't want to allow everything out. What should I whitelist? I tried whitelisting ports 443 and 80 - but I couldn't access the internet. Why?04:26
NeoncamouflageDo believe browsers use port 81 as well.04:28
nit-witgoma, why are you setting up a firewALL?04:29
gomanit-wit: extra security on my system, for the heck of it, experienece04:30
nit-witgoma, okay04:30
Neoncamouflagegoma, from what I understand firewalls block incoming connections to your computer, and browsers only make outgoing connections. It may be something different causing your issues.04:30
gomamaybe - The thing is I'm already blocking everything but port 80 coming in. Coming out - everything is open. I figure if I allow port 80 and 443 out than everything should be dandy04:32
gomabut that's not the case - i can't access a webpage if i only whitelist ports 80 and 443. what else should i whitelist04:33
gomai only use the web on this machiene - no samba, no ssh, no ftp. [yet] so i don't see what else to unblock04:34
NeoncamouflageI don't know, just for internet that should be it.04:34
NeoncamouflageWill take a cruise through Google and see if anything turns up.04:35
NeoncamouflageAlright, looks like you've done it right. Possibly unblock 53 and 631 just on the off chance that's doing it but I find it unlikely04:39
NeoncamouflageTry posting on ubuntuforums.org if IRC isn't helping, very knowledgeable people there04:39
gomaokay - will try that - may go offline for a bit to see if it works04:40
NeoncamouflageI certainly wish you luck, let me know how it goes mate.04:40
gomahello - am i back on?04:42
goma!test04:42
ubot2Testing... Testing... 1. 2.. 3... ( by the way, remember that you can use #test )04:42
gomaok - it didn't work - but i didn't read the error message before. It says the DNS is not found. Maybe DNS uses a different port04:43
NeoncamouflageDNS uses port 5304:44
NeoncamouflageDid you have that one unblocked or no?04:45
gomai did have it unlocked04:48
gomabut only TCP04:48
gomai'll change that to both04:48
gomaHuzza success!04:49
Neoncamouflage:D04:49
gomaThanks a lot man - now this works like a charm04:49
NeoncamouflageHappy I could help. Glad you got it working.04:49
bobweaveranyone up that knows kubuntu09:04
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Willehi14:15
Willehow do I restore messaging menu?14:15
WilleI accidentally removed it14:15
coalwaterhello14:16
coalwaterwhat version of ubuntu are u using Wille14:16
Wille11.0414:16
coalwaterclassic menu ?14:16
Willemmm yeah14:16
coalwaterright click the top panel and choose add to panel14:17
WilleI couldn't find it there14:17
coalwaterit's not called that14:17
coalwateri think it's the notification menu14:17
coalwaternotification applet14:17
coalwateror something14:17
coalwaterindicator applet i think14:18
Willeah okay14:18
Willegot it14:18
Willethanks14:18
coalwaternp :)14:19
Willethat's a bit confusing though14:19
coalwaterit has the sound menu too i think14:19
coalwaterthey are all a part of the indicator applet14:19
Willeyeah I was missing that too :D14:19
WilleI was just trying to remove this whatever 'keyboard settings menu' which I find redundant14:20
Willebut then off came everything with it14:20
roy_hey can anyone help me here installing open source drivers over fglrx?15:10
s-foxHello.15:28
tenachGreetings, s-fox15:28
s-foxHello tenach .15:29
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earthling_Anyone know how to auto run commands at Xchat startup?16:18
NeoncamouflageI found an option for it back when i first started using it, but I honestly have no idea now.16:19
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earthling_I'm looking for Connect command' edit box?16:20
NeoncamouflageJust trying to get to autoconnect to channels/servers on startup?16:20
earthling_with "LOAD -e /path/to/textfile"16:20
Neoncamouflageah16:20
earthling_it runs commands like join channel identify16:20
zkriesse_earthling_, go to XChat -> Network List -> Edit Channel -> Connect Command Box16:21
NeoncamouflageCouldn't help you there, I know generally where you can save channels to autojoin, but I have no idea where the option to autorun commands is.16:21
NeoncamouflageHe does. :)16:21
earthling_thanks zkriesse!16:22
zkriesse_earthling_, Not a prob16:22
earthling_xchat not as user friendly as mirc, hehe16:22
zkriesse_lol16:23
zkriesse_earthling_, Nope16:23
zkriesse_lot more customizations though16:23
zkriesse_I'll be right back16:23
julie101010earthling_: if you had been hacked twice through mirc like I have been, you would stick to xchat without a comment17:09
earthling_I don't think security and user friendliness are incompatible17:14
julie101010earthling_: I tend to agree but xchat is pretty user friendly to my taste anyway17:17
nlsthznXchat is awesome17:17
* nlsthzn strokes his xchat and it purrs back17:17
julie101010I was previously using xchat-gnome but it was full of bugs17:17
earthling_I think xchat is the best linux IRC client17:18
julie101010I haven't tried many but I like it17:18
julie101010what I still haven't found is a good email client17:19
nlsthznfor gnome perhaps... can't remember the one coming with Kubuntu but it waqs solid17:19
nlsthznquassel I think17:19
earthling_I haven't tried any command line irc clients17:21
julie101010I wouldn't recommend it... it'd be like going back 15 years17:22
earthling_I don't use command line much17:22
nlsthznlots of people like to use it to keep logged in else where and use ssh to chat :)17:22
julie101010I like command line but prefer GUI apps for everyday tasks17:23
earthling_you guys like Unity?17:24
earthling_or Gnome17:24
earthling_I'm still on 10.0417:25
earthling_works good enough for me17:25
* nlsthzn likes his natty and unity17:27
earthling_I heard unity is not ready for primetime17:28
earthling_I'll get around to flash driving it sometime17:28
nlsthznin 11.10 it will be better... by 12.04 it will be superb17:29
earthling_how do you know?17:29
nlsthznhistory teaches us ;)17:29
earthling_heh ok17:29
* nlsthzn has to point out all he says is his opinion...17:30
earthling_understood17:30
nlsthznbut the guys has done a sterling job to bring unity to where it is now17:30
earthling_how long you been using linux?17:30
earthling_I've been using ubuntu for about 8 months17:31
nlsthznon and off for a few years... only desktop stuff though17:31
julie101010earthling_: how about other distros?17:32
earthling_I tried knoppix for a short time a few years ago17:32
earthling_thats about it17:32
julie101010oh ok17:32
earthling_and unix in school17:33
julie101010never tried knoppix but I tried many about 10 years ago17:33
julie101010when slackware was starting to lose popularity17:33
julie101010my favorite server distro is now gentoo but ubuntu is really nice for regular users as it's very easy to install17:34
earthling_I heard gentoo takes a lot of time to set up17:34
earthling_little structure17:34
julie101010the first time, you have to follow their guide17:34
julie101010it has a few annoying update bugs but overall it is really well thought for someone who knows linux well17:35
earthling_how long did it take?17:35
julie101010it depends on the hardware as the default installation method is to recompile everything17:36
julie101010last time I installed it I had only a dual core and it took me almost 2 days to install everything I wanted17:36
earthling_hows it compare to ubuntu?17:37
julie101010much faster and more stable17:37
julie101010but a lot more complex to configure for end users17:37
earthling_interesting17:37
julie101010I never ever have to reboot it17:38
julie101010it got restarted once in the last year because of a power outage and that's it17:38
earthling_except during updates?17:38
julie101010never had to restart it17:38
earthling_bug fixes17:38
earthling_neat17:38
julie101010the only reason I would restart it is if I had to install a kernel update17:38
julie101010since 2.6, the kernel has been very complete and stable17:39
earthling_do you use Opera?17:40
earthling_I prefer open source but I hear its good17:40
julie101010on Windows I use 5 browsers to test my sites17:40
julie101010on Linux I only use FF17:40
earthling_no norwegian loyalty? hehe17:41
julie101010and links (or lynx) when needed from the command line17:41
julie101010I'm canadian17:41
earthling_oh ok17:41
julie101010don't care where it's from17:41
julie101010just used to FF17:41
earthling_I like FF, but chrome seems faster sometimes17:42
earthling_chromium17:42
earthling_on ubuntu17:42
julie101010I have this personal thing against Google so I try to avoid it as much as possible17:42
julie101010only use it for compatibility tests17:43
earthling_I like that google supports a lot of open source, but I try to keep a close eye on them hehe17:43
earthling_they just seem to never stop growing17:43
julie101010don't you see how much they benefit from their open source systems?17:44
earthling_how so?17:44
earthling_their search engine technology is closed, source right?17:44
earthling_and they just closed android17:45
julie1010102 reasons:  1) to remain the center of attention 2) to spy further into the users' life17:45
julie101010it is closed17:45
julie101010it couldn't be any other way actually17:45
julie101010as soon as people start to understand the indexing rules, they find ways to bypass them17:46
earthling_http://www.google.com/press/annc/opensource.html17:46
earthling_open source iniatives17:46
earthling_yeah, they want to be first on search listings17:46
earthling_duck duck go is an alternative, not as polished as google though17:50
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NeoncamouflageAnyone know of a way to get different desktop backgrounds for each workstation?19:21
coalwaterwhat do u mean by workstation Neoncamouflage19:27
coalwateru mean like workspace?19:27
coalwateri don't think i saw something like that before19:27
Neoncamouflage*facepalm*19:27
Neoncamouflageyeah that19:27
Neoncamouflagemy bad19:27
NeoncamouflageI haven't either, but I'd really like it, so I was hoping someone had seen something like it19:28
NeoncamouflageI found it in google but it specifically doesn't work in 10.10, which is what I use... So that workaround won't do.19:29
coalwateri am trying some stuff i found19:30
AbhijitNeoncamouflage, try this http://www.techtickle.com/linux-tip-set-different-wallpapers-on-each-workspace-in-ubuntu.html19:32
Neoncamouflagelooks like what I need from the link, thanks19:33
Neoncamouflage"and you should install avant window navigator for navigation purposes because after doing this you will not have link on to your desktop."19:34
NeoncamouflageDoes this mean that I won't have my panels or anything? Or just no desktop shortcuts?19:34
Abhijitnope19:34
Abhijitthis does not mean that.19:34
Abhijitavant is fine. its safe.19:34
NeoncamouflageNo, I mean nautilus is standard, if I keep it and use this way to get different wallpapers, will it only remove my ability to use desktop icons or my navigation panels as well?19:35
NeoncamouflageAs I dont' use desktop icons anyway, but I'd be unhappy if my panels went away19:35
Abhijitit will not create any inability for you.19:37
Abhijityou can still use your gnome 2 as same as you were using it before avant19:37
Abhijitand apart from that if you seen any issue then you can uninstall avant in future.19:37
coalwaterNeoncamouflage,  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14224314/Screenshot-5.png managed to make it work19:38
coalwaterbut it has 1 downside19:38
NeoncamouflageWhat I'm saying is I don't want Avant. Looking at it I prefer my Gnome 2 panels and I'm not wanting to install Avant. So if I remain with Gnome 2 and Nautilus, will your link remove my ability to use panels?19:39
NeoncamouflageThat looks interesting coalwater19:39
Neoncamouflagewhat downside?19:40
coalwateru have to disable the icons to appear on the desktop19:40
NeoncamouflageThat's the same thing I'm talking about with abhijit19:41
coalwaterpanels are working fine19:41
NeoncamouflageAlright, cool19:41
Abhijiti have not done this so no idea about any disadavantage19:41
coalwaterAbhijit, i never tried it either, i just googled and tried it now19:41
NeoncamouflageI dont' use desktop icons as it is, I can't stand having them cluttered, even my panels are on autohide19:41
NeoncamouflageLong as I can still use those I'm happy19:41
coalwatergood, so u wont mind the link19:41
NeoncamouflageWhere'd you find it?19:42
Abhijitcoalwater, ok19:42
coalwaterits the same instructions on Abhijit's link , but a different one19:42
coalwaterhttp://ubuntuguide.net/different-wallpapers-on-each-workspace-in-ubuntu19:43
NeoncamouflageAlright, thanks a lot for the help guys, sorry for the confusion19:43
coalwaternp, u dont need to install any thing19:43
coalwaterjust extra plugins for compiz19:43
NeoncamouflageDoes compiz come with 10.10?19:43
NeoncamouflageNot heard anything about it or noticed it so far19:44
coalwateryea, but it said it doesnt work with maverick19:44
Neoncamouflage><19:44
Neoncamouflage*sigh* Suppose it'll wait until 11.10 then when I upgrade. Will keep searching in the meantime.19:44
coalwateru could try it19:45
coalwateru wont loose any thing19:45
NeoncamouflageYeah, worth a shot19:45
NeoncamouflageAlso found a program call Wallpapoz19:48
NeoncamouflageWill try it if this doesn't work, as it seems decent19:49
coalwaterbtw Neoncamouflage , u might need to restart compiz to make it work, it didnt work with me till i restarted compiz19:49
NeoncamouflageGood to know, thanks19:50
coalwateralt+f2 then "compiz --replace"19:50
coalwaterno quotes19:51
NeoncamouflageI can't seem to bring up compiz... I run it and all windows disappear for a second, then come back19:51
NeoncamouflageRun it in terminal instead of alt+F2 and the terminal process keeps running but shows nothing19:51
NeoncamouflageMaybe this is the 10.10 problem19:52
coalwaterthat's what compiz restarting does19:53
NeoncamouflageHmm, so I'm restarting it when I'm trying to open the settings19:54
NeoncamouflageInstalled Wallpapoz, looks perfect so far, think I'll use it19:57
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NeoncamouflageHow do you get Ubuntu to start using Python 3 by default instead of Python 2.x?20:40
charlie-tcaNeoncamouflage: I do it by application, using "python2.6 application_to_start &"20:48
NeoncamouflageI mean is there a way so that typing in "Python" on the command line starts Python 3 instead of 2?20:49
NeoncamouflageI just find it annoying to have to type Python3 every time.20:50
NeoncamouflageAs I always forget20:50
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charlie-tcasorry, I don't know20:55
NeoncamouflageDarn20:55
NeoncamouflageI did it once before, copied code from some random Python guide20:55
NeoncamouflageBut I've looked everywhere and cannot for the life of me find it again20:55
NeoncamouflageNo clue what I did20:56
holsteinNeoncamouflage: i would probably use a PPA like https://launchpad.net/~irie/+archive/python3.222:39
holsteinyou'd probably need to find one with natty support if needed22:40
mnewtonHey guys - whats a good Internet download manager for linux?23:23
mnewtonI want something that breaks up the file and downloads in parts [like torrents] - essentially it should make downloading much faster23:23
Error404NotFoundwhy would you need one23:23
mnewtonmake download faster and make it so i can pause and start a download even if i close the webbrowser23:24
Error404NotFoundyou using dial up still or something?23:25
mnewtonnah - but my internet could be faster23:25
Error404NotFoundwhat kinda speed you got23:26
mnewton1.5 Mbps23:26
Error404NotFoundeww no wonder you want a dl manager23:27
mnewtonlol what type of speed do you have?23:27
Error404NotFound50 Mbps23:27
mnewtonO_o23:27
mnewtonat home or work?23:27
Error404NotFoundhome23:28
mnewtonwhat do you do! That's insanely fast. Heck even comcast maxes at 12 Mbps i think23:28
Error404NotFoundi have comcast23:29
Error404NotFoundthey have 150 Mbps now23:29
mnewtonoh23:29
Error404NotFoundi pay 99 bucks a month for full hd with a dvr and 50meg internet23:29
Error404NotFoundwhere you live?23:29
mnewtonChicago23:30
mnewtonIllinois23:30
Error404NotFoundweird23:30
mnewtoni think i play lie 25$ per month23:30
mnewtonfor atnt23:30
Error404NotFoundi think slowest comcast offers is 6 meg23:31
Error404NotFoundcomcast bought out at&t here in minnesota23:31
mnewtonha, i'll be going to college soon and they have 10Mbps there23:32
mnewtona real upgrade from my experience23:32
Error404NotFoundi hjavnt had internet that slow since 1998 lol23:32
mnewtonit takes 2 hours to download ubuntu here23:32
Error404NotFoundlol i just started an ubuntu dl and it says 5 minutes remaining23:33
Error404NotFoundover 3 MBps23:34
Error404NotFoundyou can tell me to shut up, most people do when i flaunt my speed23:35
Error404NotFoundmnewton:  you can pause the dl with default dl manager in ubuntu..23:37
mnewtonwhat is net split?23:37
Error404NotFoundlol23:38
Error404NotFoundthere is more than one server running irc23:38
mnewtoni use chrome for downloads - need to get a better alternative23:38
Error404NotFoundwhen one disconnects its called a net split23:38
mnewtonic23:38
philipballewi always download ubuntu from a disstro23:39
Error404NotFoundi use fire fox23:39
Error404NotFoundseems to be most stable browser on linux23:39
philipballewand use the torrent browser23:39
philipballewusing transmission but not sure i i wanna change23:39
mnewtonhey I'm using xchat - can i make it so everytime i type ic it corrects it to I see23:39
Error404NotFoundi use pidgen i have no idea23:40
mnewtonhmm23:42
mnewtonpratchett.freenode.net23:44
mnewtonis that like Terry Pratchett?23:44

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