[00:56] <philipballew> i need to add a repositiory to my sorces list. can someone help with that
[00:56] <philipballew> http://kismetwireless.net/download.shtml
[00:59] <stlsaint> philipballew: use add repository command
[01:00] <stlsaint> philipballew: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:<repository-name>
[01:01] <philipballew> its not a ppa though?
[01:01] <philipballew> stlsaint,
[01:03] <stlsaint> philipballew: you can still use a command but we will add it manually
[01:03] <stlsaint> philipballew: first make a backup of your current sources.list
[01:03] <philipballew> okay
[01:03] <stlsaint> sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.backup
[01:04] <philipballew> done
[01:04] <stlsaint> philipballew: you running ubuntu?
[01:04] <stlsaint> if so what version
[01:04] <philipballew> 11.04
[01:04] <philipballew> natty
[01:04] <philipballew> 2.6.38
[01:04] <stlsaint> alright
[01:05] <stlsaint> well use your fav editor to open the sources.list
[01:05] <stlsaint> if gedit than use:
[01:05] <philipballew> o opend the list in vi
[01:05] <philipballew> 8i
[01:05] <philipballew> *i
[01:05] <philipballew> same thing though
[01:05] <stlsaint> alright well at the bottom of that file ad this entry:
[01:05] <stlsaint> deb http://www.kismetwireless.net/code/ natty kismet
[01:05] <stlsaint> you can put a comment in there above it like:
[01:05] <stlsaint> #This is repo for kismet
[01:05] <stlsaint> or whatever
[01:06] <stlsaint> philipballew: then add the kismet gpg key to your keyring
[01:06] <stlsaint> philipballew: run command:
[01:06] <stlsaint> curl https://www.kismetwireless.net/code/dists/kismet-release.gpg | sudo apt-key add -
[01:07] <stlsaint> then update
[01:07] <stlsaint> philipballew: sudo apt-get update
[01:07] <stlsaint> and you should be good to go
[01:08] <stlsaint> for more on repositories see here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories
[01:09] <stlsaint> philipballew: ok?
[01:10] <philipballew> its updating :)
[01:10] <philipballew> slow internet
[01:11] <stlsaint> kk
[01:12] <philipballew> it updated. lets see if it works now i guess
[01:13] <philipballew> im upgrading
[01:14] <stlsaint> philipballew: do you have a launchpad account?
[01:14] <philipballew> why yes i do.
[01:14] <philipballew> i have to
[01:14] <philipballew> do you?
[01:15] <stlsaint> philipballew: oh nevermind, im thinking of something else
[01:15] <philipballew> haha, i,m a ubuntu member so i need one
[01:15] <stlsaint> gotcha
[01:16] <stlsaint> philipballew: must never had to do much with repos then huh?
[01:16] <philipballew> never. but kismet version apt-get has is made in 2008
[01:18] <stlsaint> lol wow
[03:27] <philipballew> how can i see the names of all computers on my network
[03:31] <Error404NotFound> should say all the names when you go to yer network..
[03:33] <philipballew> go to my network? Error404NotFound
[03:36] <Error404NotFound> places network
[03:36] <Error404NotFound> should show all connected computers
[03:38] <philipballew> then if i hook up to a cat5 it would show the ones connected that way?
[03:41] <Neoncamouflage> Hook two computers straight into each other or through a router?
[03:41] <philipballew> haha. seemes logical
[03:42] <Neoncamouflage> I would assume it would work if you just wired them both together, never tried it though, I've always gone through a router.
[03:43] <Neoncamouflage> Does seem like one of those obvious things you assume will work automatically but doesn't.
[03:44] <Error404NotFound> you can wire 2 computers directly together but you need a special wire
[03:45] <Neoncamouflage> What wire?
[03:45] <Error404NotFound> all wires on one side of the rj45 have to be complete oppisite
[03:45] <Error404NotFound> otherwise send from one computer goes to send on the other
[03:46] <Error404NotFound> need to reverse so send goes to recieve
[03:47] <Neoncamouflage> Hmm, interesting. This special wire have a name? Or do you just have to know what you're looking for?
[03:48] <Error404NotFound> crossover cable
[03:48] <Error404NotFound> or cross cable
[03:49] <philipballew> crossover cable
[03:49] <Error404NotFound> go here
[03:49] <Error404NotFound> http://en.kioskea.net/contents/elec/rj45croise.php3
[03:50] <Neoncamouflage> Cool, thanks
[03:50] <Error404NotFound> just swap green and orange wires
[03:50] <Error404NotFound> and you got a crossover cable
[03:50] <Error404NotFound> lol @ Neoncamouflage
[03:51] <Error404NotFound> kind of an oxymoron isnt it?
[03:53] <Error404NotFound> philipballew:  if you put a switch on the orange wire you got a lag switch...
[03:53] <Neoncamouflage> Yep, why I love it.
[03:54] <geirha> It would work great in a 50's sci fi
[04:10] <Neoncamouflage> Alright, probably a stupid question, but why do some bash scripts have "done" at the end and some don't?
[04:26] <goma> I'm setting up the firewall. I don't want to allow everything out. What should I whitelist? I tried whitelisting ports 443 and 80 - but I couldn't access the internet. Why?
[04:28] <Neoncamouflage> Do believe browsers use port 81 as well.
[04:29] <nit-wit> goma, why are you setting up a firewALL?
[04:30] <goma> nit-wit: extra security on my system, for the heck of it, experienece
[04:30] <nit-wit> goma, okay
[04:30] <Neoncamouflage> goma, from what I understand firewalls block incoming connections to your computer, and browsers only make outgoing connections. It may be something different causing your issues.
[04:32] <goma> maybe - The thing is I'm already blocking everything but port 80 coming in. Coming out - everything is open. I figure if I allow port 80 and 443 out than everything should be dandy
[04:33] <goma> but that's not the case - i can't access a webpage if i only whitelist ports 80 and 443. what else should i whitelist
[04:34] <goma> i only use the web on this machiene - no samba, no ssh, no ftp. [yet] so i don't see what else to unblock
[04:34] <Neoncamouflage> I don't know, just for internet that should be it.
[04:35] <Neoncamouflage> Will take a cruise through Google and see if anything turns up.
[04:39] <Neoncamouflage> Alright, looks like you've done it right. Possibly unblock 53 and 631 just on the off chance that's doing it but I find it unlikely
[04:39] <Neoncamouflage> Try posting on ubuntuforums.org if IRC isn't helping, very knowledgeable people there
[04:40] <goma> okay - will try that - may go offline for a bit to see if it works
[04:40] <Neoncamouflage> I certainly wish you luck, let me know how it goes mate.
[04:42] <goma> hello - am i back on?
[04:42] <goma> !test
[04:42] <ubot2> Testing... Testing... 1. 2.. 3... ( by the way, remember that you can use #test )
[04:43] <goma> ok - it didn't work - but i didn't read the error message before. It says the DNS is not found. Maybe DNS uses a different port
[04:44] <Neoncamouflage> DNS uses port 53
[04:45] <Neoncamouflage> Did you have that one unblocked or no?
[04:48] <goma> i did have it unlocked
[04:48] <goma> but only TCP
[04:48] <goma> i'll change that to both
[04:49] <goma> Huzza success!
[04:49] <Neoncamouflage> :D
[04:49] <goma> Thanks a lot man - now this works like a charm
[04:49] <Neoncamouflage> Happy I could help. Glad you got it working.
[09:04] <bobweaver> anyone up that knows kubuntu
[14:15] <Wille> hi
[14:15] <Wille> how do I restore messaging menu?
[14:15] <Wille> I accidentally removed it
[14:16] <coalwater> hello
[14:16] <coalwater> what version of ubuntu are u using Wille
[14:16] <Wille> 11.04
[14:16] <coalwater> classic menu ?
[14:16] <Wille> mmm yeah
[14:17] <coalwater> right click the top panel and choose add to panel
[14:17] <Wille> I couldn't find it there
[14:17] <coalwater> it's not called that
[14:17] <coalwater> i think it's the notification menu
[14:17] <coalwater> notification applet
[14:17] <coalwater> or something
[14:18] <coalwater> indicator applet i think
[14:18] <Wille> ah okay
[14:18] <Wille> got it
[14:18] <Wille> thanks
[14:19] <coalwater> np :)
[14:19] <Wille> that's a bit confusing though
[14:19] <coalwater> it has the sound menu too i think
[14:19] <coalwater> they are all a part of the indicator applet
[14:19] <Wille> yeah I was missing that too :D
[14:20] <Wille> I was just trying to remove this whatever 'keyboard settings menu' which I find redundant
[14:20] <Wille> but then off came everything with it
[15:10] <roy_> hey can anyone help me here installing open source drivers over fglrx?
[15:28] <s-fox> Hello.
[15:28] <tenach> Greetings, s-fox
[15:29] <s-fox> Hello tenach .
[16:18] <earthling_> Anyone know how to auto run commands at Xchat startup?
[16:19] <Neoncamouflage> I found an option for it back when i first started using it, but I honestly have no idea now.
[16:20] <earthling_> I'm looking for Connect command' edit box?
[16:20] <Neoncamouflage> Just trying to get to autoconnect to channels/servers on startup?
[16:20] <earthling_> with "LOAD -e /path/to/textfile"
[16:20] <Neoncamouflage> ah
[16:20] <earthling_> it runs commands like join channel identify
[16:21] <zkriesse_> earthling_, go to XChat -> Network List -> Edit Channel -> Connect Command Box
[16:21] <Neoncamouflage> Couldn't help you there, I know generally where you can save channels to autojoin, but I have no idea where the option to autorun commands is.
[16:21] <Neoncamouflage> He does. :)
[16:22] <earthling_> thanks zkriesse!
[16:22] <zkriesse_> earthling_, Not a prob
[16:22] <earthling_> xchat not as user friendly as mirc, hehe
[16:23] <zkriesse_> lol
[16:23] <zkriesse_> earthling_, Nope
[16:23] <zkriesse_> lot more customizations though
[16:23] <zkriesse_> I'll be right back
[17:09] <julie101010> earthling_: if you had been hacked twice through mirc like I have been, you would stick to xchat without a comment
[17:14] <earthling_> I don't think security and user friendliness are incompatible
[17:17] <julie101010> earthling_: I tend to agree but xchat is pretty user friendly to my taste anyway
[17:17] <nlsthzn> Xchat is awesome
[17:17]  * nlsthzn strokes his xchat and it purrs back
[17:17] <julie101010> I was previously using xchat-gnome but it was full of bugs
[17:18] <earthling_> I think xchat is the best linux IRC client
[17:18] <julie101010> I haven't tried many but I like it
[17:19] <julie101010> what I still haven't found is a good email client
[17:19] <nlsthzn> for gnome perhaps... can't remember the one coming with Kubuntu but it waqs solid
[17:19] <nlsthzn> quassel I think
[17:21] <earthling_> I haven't tried any command line irc clients
[17:22] <julie101010> I wouldn't recommend it... it'd be like going back 15 years
[17:22] <earthling_> I don't use command line much
[17:22] <nlsthzn> lots of people like to use it to keep logged in else where and use ssh to chat :)
[17:23] <julie101010> I like command line but prefer GUI apps for everyday tasks
[17:24] <earthling_> you guys like Unity?
[17:24] <earthling_> or Gnome
[17:25] <earthling_> I'm still on 10.04
[17:25] <earthling_> works good enough for me
[17:27]  * nlsthzn likes his natty and unity
[17:28] <earthling_> I heard unity is not ready for primetime
[17:28] <earthling_> I'll get around to flash driving it sometime
[17:29] <nlsthzn> in 11.10 it will be better... by 12.04 it will be superb
[17:29] <earthling_> how do you know?
[17:29] <nlsthzn> history teaches us ;)
[17:29] <earthling_> heh ok
[17:30]  * nlsthzn has to point out all he says is his opinion...
[17:30] <earthling_> understood
[17:30] <nlsthzn> but the guys has done a sterling job to bring unity to where it is now
[17:30] <earthling_> how long you been using linux?
[17:31] <earthling_> I've been using ubuntu for about 8 months
[17:31] <nlsthzn> on and off for a few years... only desktop stuff though
[17:32] <julie101010> earthling_: how about other distros?
[17:32] <earthling_> I tried knoppix for a short time a few years ago
[17:32] <earthling_> thats about it
[17:32] <julie101010> oh ok
[17:33] <earthling_> and unix in school
[17:33] <julie101010> never tried knoppix but I tried many about 10 years ago
[17:33] <julie101010> when slackware was starting to lose popularity
[17:34] <julie101010> my favorite server distro is now gentoo but ubuntu is really nice for regular users as it's very easy to install
[17:34] <earthling_> I heard gentoo takes a lot of time to set up
[17:34] <earthling_> little structure
[17:34] <julie101010> the first time, you have to follow their guide
[17:35] <julie101010> it has a few annoying update bugs but overall it is really well thought for someone who knows linux well
[17:35] <earthling_> how long did it take?
[17:36] <julie101010> it depends on the hardware as the default installation method is to recompile everything
[17:36] <julie101010> last time I installed it I had only a dual core and it took me almost 2 days to install everything I wanted
[17:37] <earthling_> hows it compare to ubuntu?
[17:37] <julie101010> much faster and more stable
[17:37] <julie101010> but a lot more complex to configure for end users
[17:37] <earthling_> interesting
[17:38] <julie101010> I never ever have to reboot it
[17:38] <julie101010> it got restarted once in the last year because of a power outage and that's it
[17:38] <earthling_> except during updates?
[17:38] <julie101010> never had to restart it
[17:38] <earthling_> bug fixes
[17:38] <earthling_> neat
[17:38] <julie101010> the only reason I would restart it is if I had to install a kernel update
[17:39] <julie101010> since 2.6, the kernel has been very complete and stable
[17:40] <earthling_> do you use Opera?
[17:40] <earthling_> I prefer open source but I hear its good
[17:40] <julie101010> on Windows I use 5 browsers to test my sites
[17:40] <julie101010> on Linux I only use FF
[17:41] <earthling_> no norwegian loyalty? hehe
[17:41] <julie101010> and links (or lynx) when needed from the command line
[17:41] <julie101010> I'm canadian
[17:41] <earthling_> oh ok
[17:41] <julie101010> don't care where it's from
[17:41] <julie101010> just used to FF
[17:42] <earthling_> I like FF, but chrome seems faster sometimes
[17:42] <earthling_> chromium
[17:42] <earthling_> on ubuntu
[17:42] <julie101010> I have this personal thing against Google so I try to avoid it as much as possible
[17:43] <julie101010> only use it for compatibility tests
[17:43] <earthling_> I like that google supports a lot of open source, but I try to keep a close eye on them hehe
[17:43] <earthling_> they just seem to never stop growing
[17:44] <julie101010> don't you see how much they benefit from their open source systems?
[17:44] <earthling_> how so?
[17:44] <earthling_> their search engine technology is closed, source right?
[17:45] <earthling_> and they just closed android
[17:45] <julie101010> 2 reasons:  1) to remain the center of attention 2) to spy further into the users' life
[17:45] <julie101010> it is closed
[17:45] <julie101010> it couldn't be any other way actually
[17:46] <julie101010> as soon as people start to understand the indexing rules, they find ways to bypass them
[17:46] <earthling_> http://www.google.com/press/annc/opensource.html
[17:46] <earthling_> open source iniatives
[17:46] <earthling_> yeah, they want to be first on search listings
[17:50] <earthling_> duck duck go is an alternative, not as polished as google though
[19:21] <Neoncamouflage> Anyone know of a way to get different desktop backgrounds for each workstation?
[19:27] <coalwater> what do u mean by workstation Neoncamouflage
[19:27] <coalwater> u mean like workspace?
[19:27] <coalwater> i don't think i saw something like that before
[19:27] <Neoncamouflage> *facepalm*
[19:27] <Neoncamouflage> yeah that
[19:27] <Neoncamouflage> my bad
[19:28] <Neoncamouflage> I haven't either, but I'd really like it, so I was hoping someone had seen something like it
[19:29] <Neoncamouflage> I found it in google but it specifically doesn't work in 10.10, which is what I use... So that workaround won't do.
[19:30] <coalwater> i am trying some stuff i found
[19:32] <Abhijit> Neoncamouflage, try this http://www.techtickle.com/linux-tip-set-different-wallpapers-on-each-workspace-in-ubuntu.html
[19:33] <Neoncamouflage> looks like what I need from the link, thanks
[19:34] <Neoncamouflage> "and you should install avant window navigator for navigation purposes because after doing this you will not have link on to your desktop."
[19:34] <Neoncamouflage> Does this mean that I won't have my panels or anything? Or just no desktop shortcuts?
[19:34] <Abhijit> nope
[19:34] <Abhijit> this does not mean that.
[19:34] <Abhijit> avant is fine. its safe.
[19:35] <Neoncamouflage> No, I mean nautilus is standard, if I keep it and use this way to get different wallpapers, will it only remove my ability to use desktop icons or my navigation panels as well?
[19:35] <Neoncamouflage> As I dont' use desktop icons anyway, but I'd be unhappy if my panels went away
[19:37] <Abhijit> it will not create any inability for you.
[19:37] <Abhijit> you can still use your gnome 2 as same as you were using it before avant
[19:37] <Abhijit> and apart from that if you seen any issue then you can uninstall avant in future.
[19:38] <coalwater> Neoncamouflage,  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14224314/Screenshot-5.png managed to make it work
[19:38] <coalwater> but it has 1 downside
[19:39] <Neoncamouflage> What I'm saying is I don't want Avant. Looking at it I prefer my Gnome 2 panels and I'm not wanting to install Avant. So if I remain with Gnome 2 and Nautilus, will your link remove my ability to use panels?
[19:39] <Neoncamouflage> That looks interesting coalwater
[19:40] <Neoncamouflage> what downside?
[19:40] <coalwater> u have to disable the icons to appear on the desktop
[19:41] <Neoncamouflage> That's the same thing I'm talking about with abhijit
[19:41] <coalwater> panels are working fine
[19:41] <Neoncamouflage> Alright, cool
[19:41] <Abhijit> i have not done this so no idea about any disadavantage
[19:41] <coalwater> Abhijit, i never tried it either, i just googled and tried it now
[19:41] <Neoncamouflage> I dont' use desktop icons as it is, I can't stand having them cluttered, even my panels are on autohide
[19:41] <Neoncamouflage> Long as I can still use those I'm happy
[19:41] <coalwater> good, so u wont mind the link
[19:42] <Neoncamouflage> Where'd you find it?
[19:42] <Abhijit> coalwater, ok
[19:42] <coalwater> its the same instructions on Abhijit's link , but a different one
[19:43] <coalwater> http://ubuntuguide.net/different-wallpapers-on-each-workspace-in-ubuntu
[19:43] <Neoncamouflage> Alright, thanks a lot for the help guys, sorry for the confusion
[19:43] <coalwater> np, u dont need to install any thing
[19:43] <coalwater> just extra plugins for compiz
[19:43] <Neoncamouflage> Does compiz come with 10.10?
[19:44] <Neoncamouflage> Not heard anything about it or noticed it so far
[19:44] <coalwater> yea, but it said it doesnt work with maverick
[19:44] <Neoncamouflage> ><
[19:44] <Neoncamouflage> *sigh* Suppose it'll wait until 11.10 then when I upgrade. Will keep searching in the meantime.
[19:45] <coalwater> u could try it
[19:45] <coalwater> u wont loose any thing
[19:45] <Neoncamouflage> Yeah, worth a shot
[19:48] <Neoncamouflage> Also found a program call Wallpapoz
[19:49] <Neoncamouflage> Will try it if this doesn't work, as it seems decent
[19:49] <coalwater> btw Neoncamouflage , u might need to restart compiz to make it work, it didnt work with me till i restarted compiz
[19:50] <Neoncamouflage> Good to know, thanks
[19:50] <coalwater> alt+f2 then "compiz --replace"
[19:51] <coalwater> no quotes
[19:51] <Neoncamouflage> I can't seem to bring up compiz... I run it and all windows disappear for a second, then come back
[19:51] <Neoncamouflage> Run it in terminal instead of alt+F2 and the terminal process keeps running but shows nothing
[19:52] <Neoncamouflage> Maybe this is the 10.10 problem
[19:53] <coalwater> that's what compiz restarting does
[19:54] <Neoncamouflage> Hmm, so I'm restarting it when I'm trying to open the settings
[19:57] <Neoncamouflage> Installed Wallpapoz, looks perfect so far, think I'll use it
[20:40] <Neoncamouflage> How do you get Ubuntu to start using Python 3 by default instead of Python 2.x?
[20:48] <charlie-tca> Neoncamouflage: I do it by application, using "python2.6 application_to_start &"
[20:49] <Neoncamouflage> I mean is there a way so that typing in "Python" on the command line starts Python 3 instead of 2?
[20:50] <Neoncamouflage> I just find it annoying to have to type Python3 every time.
[20:50] <Neoncamouflage> As I always forget
[20:55] <charlie-tca> sorry, I don't know
[20:55] <Neoncamouflage> Darn
[20:55] <Neoncamouflage> I did it once before, copied code from some random Python guide
[20:55] <Neoncamouflage> But I've looked everywhere and cannot for the life of me find it again
[20:56] <Neoncamouflage> No clue what I did
[22:39] <holstein> Neoncamouflage: i would probably use a PPA like https://launchpad.net/~irie/+archive/python3.2
[22:40] <holstein> you'd probably need to find one with natty support if needed
[23:23] <mnewton> Hey guys - whats a good Internet download manager for linux?
[23:23] <mnewton> I want something that breaks up the file and downloads in parts [like torrents] - essentially it should make downloading much faster
[23:23] <Error404NotFound> why would you need one
[23:24] <mnewton> make download faster and make it so i can pause and start a download even if i close the webbrowser
[23:25] <Error404NotFound> you using dial up still or something?
[23:25] <mnewton> nah - but my internet could be faster
[23:26] <Error404NotFound> what kinda speed you got
[23:26] <mnewton> 1.5 Mbps
[23:27] <Error404NotFound> eww no wonder you want a dl manager
[23:27] <mnewton> lol what type of speed do you have?
[23:27] <Error404NotFound> 50 Mbps
[23:27] <mnewton> O_o
[23:27] <mnewton> at home or work?
[23:28] <Error404NotFound> home
[23:28] <mnewton> what do you do! That's insanely fast. Heck even comcast maxes at 12 Mbps i think
[23:29] <Error404NotFound> i have comcast
[23:29] <Error404NotFound> they have 150 Mbps now
[23:29] <mnewton> oh
[23:29] <Error404NotFound> i pay 99 bucks a month for full hd with a dvr and 50meg internet
[23:29] <Error404NotFound> where you live?
[23:30] <mnewton> Chicago
[23:30] <mnewton> Illinois
[23:30] <Error404NotFound> weird
[23:30] <mnewton> i think i play lie 25$ per month
[23:30] <mnewton> for atnt
[23:31] <Error404NotFound> i think slowest comcast offers is 6 meg
[23:31] <Error404NotFound> comcast bought out at&t here in minnesota
[23:32] <mnewton> ha, i'll be going to college soon and they have 10Mbps there
[23:32] <mnewton> a real upgrade from my experience
[23:32] <Error404NotFound> i hjavnt had internet that slow since 1998 lol
[23:32] <mnewton> it takes 2 hours to download ubuntu here
[23:33] <Error404NotFound> lol i just started an ubuntu dl and it says 5 minutes remaining
[23:34] <Error404NotFound> over 3 MBps
[23:35] <Error404NotFound> you can tell me to shut up, most people do when i flaunt my speed
[23:37] <Error404NotFound> mnewton:  you can pause the dl with default dl manager in ubuntu..
[23:37] <mnewton> what is net split?
[23:38] <Error404NotFound> lol
[23:38] <Error404NotFound> there is more than one server running irc
[23:38] <mnewton> i use chrome for downloads - need to get a better alternative
[23:38] <Error404NotFound> when one disconnects its called a net split
[23:38] <mnewton> ic
[23:39] <philipballew> i always download ubuntu from a disstro
[23:39] <Error404NotFound> i use fire fox
[23:39] <Error404NotFound> seems to be most stable browser on linux
[23:39] <philipballew> and use the torrent browser
[23:39] <philipballew> using transmission but not sure i i wanna change
[23:39] <mnewton> hey I'm using xchat - can i make it so everytime i type ic it corrects it to I see
[23:40] <Error404NotFound> i use pidgen i have no idea
[23:42] <mnewton> hmm
[23:44] <mnewton> pratchett.freenode.net
[23:44] <mnewton> is that like Terry Pratchett?