| didrocks | good morning | 05:06 |
|---|---|---|
| RAOF | Hey there didrocks. | 05:08 |
| didrocks | hey RAOF, how are you? | 05:08 |
| RAOF | I'm alright. | 05:08 |
| RAOF | It's a pity the weekends are so short, though :) | 05:09 |
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| didrocks | heh, got 3 days for once. Was needed :) | 05:09 |
| RAOF | Awesome! | 05:10 |
| vish | oh no! the French are coming!! ;p | 05:23 |
| TheMuso | Morning didrocks. | 05:23 |
| didrocks | hey TheMuso ;) | 05:23 |
| didrocks | vish: heh, be prepared! | 05:23 |
| pitti | Good morning | 05:48 |
| RAOF | Good morning pitti! | 05:49 |
| pitti | hey RAOF, how are you? | 05:49 |
| RAOF | I'm ok :). | 05:50 |
| RAOF | Hows about you? | 05:50 |
| didrocks | hey pitti! had a nice week-end? | 05:50 |
| pitti | hey didrocks | 05:50 |
| pitti | we did, indeed! my niece got married, so we went to Dresden again | 05:50 |
| didrocks | oh, excellent :) | 05:51 |
| pitti | how about you guys? | 05:51 |
| RAOF | Cool! A fun wedding? | 05:53 |
| pitti | it was indeed! they picked nice places for the ceremony (a castle), and the party | 05:53 |
| didrocks | was nice! 3 days week-end was needed. Just the time to relax and do some exercice + enjoying the feist in Lyon (fireworks) | 05:54 |
| pitti | http://piware.de/fotos/Hochzeit-Henriette-Andre-Juli2011/ :) | 05:54 |
| pitti | didrocks: recovered a bit from last week's stress then? | 05:54 |
| didrocks | pitti: not really stressful (well a lot of questions/bashing on unity, ok…), but crazy hours, yeah. Totally recovered now! | 05:55 |
| didrocks | pitti: ok, so no need for ping you on the apport dpkg issue from Raphael :-) | 06:03 |
| pitti | I did some email catchup on Friday | 06:03 |
| didrocks | we discussed it at RMLL FYI ;) | 06:03 |
| jbicha | pitti: did you see my g-p-m merge request? | 06:10 |
| pitti | jbicha: yes, thanks for this! just uploaded | 06:11 |
| pitti | jbicha: ah, sorry, no; I merged your g-s-d branch | 06:11 |
| pitti | I didn't see a g-p-m MP yet | 06:11 |
| jbicha | pitti: https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/ubuntu/oneiric/gnome-power-manager/gnome-power-manager-3.1.2/+merge/68165 | 06:12 |
| didrocks | ok, time to reboot after a week of updates, crossing fingers :) | 06:13 |
| pitti | ah, /me uncommits his 13-energy-star.patch patch cleanup then and merges your's | 06:13 |
| pitti | didrocks: you missed all the /run fun! | 06:13 |
| didrocks | pitti: I followed it by emails, it was enough of "fun" :-) | 06:14 |
| jbicha | pitti: oh, good thing I said something | 06:14 |
| pitti | jbicha: I'm surprised that g-p-m still has the icon-policy key | 06:22 |
| pitti | I thought that moved into g-s-d now | 06:22 |
| pitti | respectively indicator-power | 06:22 |
| jbicha | it probably should be there | 06:23 |
| pitti | anyway, looks good, thanks! | 06:23 |
| jbicha | by the way, these override settings don't seem to work for me | 06:23 |
| jbicha | none of them appear to change the defaults or even get applied at all | 06:25 |
| pitti | jbicha: in g-s-d you mean? | 06:25 |
| jbicha | pitti: I mean not one of the gschema.override's installed here seem to actually do anythinig | 06:26 |
| jbicha | pitti: oh, never mind, it's just dconf-editor that's broken | 06:36 |
| pitti | oh? it usually seems to work for me, including picking up overrides | 06:36 |
| didrocks | waow, the CD is really oversized. What happened? | 06:52 |
| didrocks | mvo: hey how are you? :) | 06:54 |
| mvo | hey didrocks! I'm good, how are you? | 06:54 |
| didrocks | mvo: I'm fine, thanks! I managed to do some good progress on oneconf during my RMLL trip :) | 06:54 |
| didrocks | mvo: not on #oneconf? | 06:55 |
| pitti | didrocks: apparently nobody heard my plea for rebuilding ubuntu-meta on Friday, doing now :) | 06:57 |
| pitti | didrocks: we added ibus-sunpinyin, but it's too big | 06:58 |
| pitti | originally I thought that ibus-pinyin was 15 MB (that's what apt-get install does), but due to our clever seeds of preferring the android db, it's only 1.5 | 06:58 |
| pitti | so rebuilding meta will get it down by some 17 MB | 06:58 |
| pitti | the bad news is that now we once again have no plan how to get rid of the remaining 13 MB | 06:58 |
| didrocks | pitti: heh, that's worth an ubuntu-meta rebuild, indeed :) | 06:59 |
| didrocks | hum… no more langpack to remove? | 06:59 |
| pitti | the original deal for tbird was to build a Chinese image and dropping ibus-pinyin and chinese langpack | 06:59 |
| pitti | we can still remove the Chinese langpack then | 06:59 |
| pitti | which will give us back 6.5 MB | 06:59 |
| didrocks | but that will enable to get a chinese image of 703 MB? still | 06:59 |
| pitti | and chrisccoulson said that the recent 3 MB firefox growth should be fixed in the next build | 07:00 |
| pitti | ah, need to re-promote ibus-pinyin | 07:01 |
| RAOF | If cairo drops its egl backend then libegl and friends will drop off the CD, too. | 07:01 |
| pitti | oh, will it? | 07:01 |
| pitti | I guess it still causes memory hogs with nvidia? | 07:02 |
| RAOF | Yes, yes it does. | 07:02 |
| RAOF | Unless someone does the work to make it dlopen stuff, it's highly likely we'll just disable the backend again. | 07:02 |
| RAOF | (This was Seb's plan) | 07:02 |
| RAOF | That'd drop a couple of meg. | 07:03 |
| didrocks | glibmm will soon be dropped from compiz and unity, but there is still gparted depending on it, I think | 07:04 |
| RAOF | And if we make it dlopen stuff, then we can drop egl from the cd anyway. | 07:05 |
| * RAOF → shop. | 07:05 | |
| pitti | didrocks: and gnome-system-monitor? | 07:07 |
| didrocks | pitti: oh, even the gnome3 one? I didn't check… ok, no hope on that direction then | 07:08 |
| pitti | didrocks: is there a gnome 3 one now? | 07:08 |
| pitti | didrocks: a few weeks ago, cjwatson made a first pass at porting to gtkmm3.0 | 07:08 |
| pitti | didrocks: but it would only move from gtkmm 2.4 to 3.0, so no real difference | 07:08 |
| didrocks | pitti: not sure, didn't follow that TBH. So you seem more up to date than I there :) | 07:09 |
| jbicha | pitti: I was working on packaging a newer gnome-shell but it doesn't have a ~ubuntu-desktop branch | 07:13 |
| jbicha | I guess it's in universe, it that why? | 07:14 |
| pitti | mostly, yes | 07:14 |
| pitti | jbicha: main reason is that we would like it to stay in sync :) | 07:15 |
| Sweetshark | Morning desktopers! | 07:15 |
| pitti | jbicha: seems our only delta is the gir1.2-json-1.0 rename, which hopefully happened in Debian as well? | 07:15 |
| pitti | hey Sweetshark, how are you? | 07:15 |
| jbicha | pitti: yeah it looks like the only change now is that we have different default favorite-apps | 07:16 |
| pitti | jbicha: yes, it did | 07:16 |
| pitti | jbicha: i. e. 3.0.2-1ubuntu1 was only a temporary delta, and the first one ever | 07:16 |
| didrocks | good morning Sweetshark | 07:17 |
| jbicha | pitti: are we going to keep the favorite-apps delta though? | 07:17 |
| pitti | jbicha: I don't see that delta yet, is it in a merge proposal? | 07:18 |
| * pitti is looking at apt-get changelog gnome-shell | 07:18 | |
| * pitti checks if the json rename is in svn | 07:19 | |
| pitti | it's not, I'll commit it there | 07:19 |
| jbicha | pitti: it's 01_favorite_apps.patch and it is part of 3.0.2-1ubuntu1 | 07:20 |
| pitti | jbicha: that's in Debian | 07:20 |
| pitti | it changes mozilla-firefox.desktop to epiphany.desktop | 07:21 |
| jbicha | except Debian does it wrong ;-) | 07:21 |
| jbicha | the Ubuntu version has firefox, libreoffice, banshee, & perhaps should have thunderbird | 07:22 |
| jbicha | oh you're right, Ubuntu didn't diverge | 07:23 |
| jbicha | but should we? | 07:23 |
| * didrocks thinks we shouldn't diverge apart if someone is willing to maintain gnome-shell in ubuntu | 07:23 | |
| pitti | if we can change that only if dpkg-vendor --is ubuntu, sure | 07:24 |
| pitti | * debian/control.in, debian/rules: When building on Ubuntu, add a dependency | 07:24 |
| pitti | to gnome-icon-theme-full. | 07:24 |
| pitti | ^ I did that for our gnome-icon-theme split | 07:24 |
| jbicha | ok, is Debian going to have Gnome 3.2 ready for Oneiric's release? | 07:24 |
| pitti | jbicha: that's the plan | 07:24 |
| pitti | erm, sorry, misread | 07:24 |
| pitti | jbicha: no, Debian will stay at 3.0 until 3.2 is released | 07:25 |
| pitti | we are packaging 3.2 for Ubuntu right now | 07:25 |
| pitti | micahg: committed your gnome-shell json dependency fix to debian svn, thanks | 07:25 |
| didrocks | hum, my usb key isn't automounted, dmesg tells me all is fine, should I check udev? | 07:26 |
| pitti | didrocks: do you see it in nautilus? | 07:26 |
| didrocks | no, I don't | 07:27 |
| pitti | didrocks: in gvfs-mount -li ? | 07:27 |
| didrocks | pitti: no, I just have my optical drive listed | 07:29 |
| pitti | didrocks: do you see it in udisks --dump? | 07:31 |
| pitti | udisks --enumerate-device-files might be easier to read | 07:31 |
| didrocks | pitti: yeah, it's in! | 07:32 |
| pitti | ok, so something in gvfs | 07:33 |
| * didrocks looks at recent uploads | 07:34 | |
| pitti | didrocks: can you remove it again, start "gvfs-mount -oi", and plug it in? | 07:34 |
| pitti | let's see what happens | 07:34 |
| didrocks | sure | 07:34 |
| didrocks | pitti: seems that it doesn't notice anything :/ | 07:35 |
| pitti | didrocks: but you do see it in "udisks --monitor-detail" if you unplug/replug/ | 07:35 |
| pitti | ? | 07:35 |
| didrocks | pitti: yeah, it's listed there | 07:36 |
| didrocks | but nothing in gvfs-mount -oi meanwhile | 07:37 |
| Sweetshark | pitti: I got mails about translation template imports for lo-build in natty, did you upload 3.3.3 to natty-proposed while I was ill? | 07:37 |
| pitti | is gvfs-gdu-volume-monitor running? | 07:37 |
| pitti | Sweetshark: it got accepted into natty-proposed on Friday, yes | 07:37 |
| didrocks | pitti: it even seems to be happily running | 07:37 |
| pitti | Sweetshark: feeling better now? | 07:37 |
| Sweetshark | pitti: yes, Ready to conquer the world! | 07:37 |
| didrocks | should I kill it and run it by hand? | 07:38 |
| pitti | didrocks: could you perhaps attach an strace -fvv to it and do the replug exercise again? | 07:38 |
| didrocks | pitti: sure, trying | 07:38 |
| Sweetshark | pitti: 3.4.1 for oneiric getting its finishing touches (some misbehaving script for creating libebook deps) and I will leave out the mono stuff for the first try. | 07:40 |
| didrocks | pitti: sorry, had to do it twice, because gvfs-gdu-volume-monitor needs to be ran in /. Here are the trace with connecting, disconnecting: http://paste.ubuntu.com/646280/ | 07:46 |
| pitti | argh, an -s1024 would be helpful there, too, to be able to read the dbus messages | 07:47 |
| pitti | but anyway, looking | 07:47 |
| didrocks | can do :) | 07:48 |
| pitti | bah, why does it read /etc/fstab a million times | 07:48 |
| pitti | didrocks: but the device is not in there, is it? | 07:48 |
| didrocks | pitti: no, it's not listed there, I just checked again | 07:49 |
| didrocks | last time I tried this ubuntu usb stick it worked, I should probably try to swap to another one, just in case… | 07:50 |
| pitti | didrocks: you can try udisks --mount /dev/sdb1 | 07:50 |
| pitti | if that works, the stick is okay | 07:50 |
| pitti | didrocks: can you give me the udisks --dump output while it's plugged in? | 07:51 |
| didrocks | pitti: indeed, udisks --mount /dev/sdb1 works | 07:51 |
| didrocks | pitti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/646284/ | 07:52 |
| pitti | uh, that looks screwed up | 07:53 |
| didrocks | hum, I can see another usb stick randomely picked | 07:53 |
| didrocks | pitti: what seems screwed? | 07:54 |
| pitti | looks like both /dev/sdb and sdb1 claim to be a mountable file system | 07:54 |
| pitti | (iso 9660) | 07:54 |
| pitti | but it should still automount sdb1 | 07:54 |
| didrocks | oh right, nice | 07:54 |
| didrocks | hence the manual mount working | 07:54 |
| jbicha | pitti: I've got the Ubuntu favorites patch for Debian, can I email it to you? | 07:55 |
| pitti | jbicha: oh, great! sure | 07:56 |
| pitti | hah! take that, gsettings-data-convert | 07:56 |
| pitti | no more crashing | 07:56 |
| didrocks | pitti: probably usb-creator wasn't in a good shape last time I created the key. But anyway, as you told, it should pick one part to mount anyway | 07:56 |
| didrocks | pitti: nice \o/ | 07:56 |
| didrocks | pitti: thanks a bunch for helping debugging and the explanation ;) | 07:57 |
| chrisccoulson | good morning everyone | 07:57 |
| didrocks | hey chrisccoulson! | 07:57 |
| chrisccoulson | hi didrocks, how are you? | 07:57 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: I'm fine, thanks, good and long week-end ;) and you? | 07:58 |
| didrocks | I can see a thunderbird with nice notification, thanks! :) | 07:58 |
| pitti | hey chrisccoulson | 07:58 |
| pitti | didrocks: how big is this thing? | 07:59 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i'm good too thanks. i had a long-ish weekend, and went to stay with some friends. | 07:59 |
| chrisccoulson | hi pitti, how are you | 07:59 |
| chrisccoulson | ? | 07:59 |
| pitti | didrocks: perhaps I can replicate it here if you dump the first MB to a file, and I put it on an USB stick of mine with an usb-creator output on it? | 07:59 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: I'm great, thanks! | 07:59 |
| * Sweetshark dances. 3.4.1 finished (without mono, but still). | 08:00 | |
| didrocks | pitti: it's an ubuntu iso, nothing more. Can do a dd for the first MB, sure | 08:00 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - it seems that the PGO build failure on friday is i386-specific (which is why it worked locally) | 08:01 |
| chrisccoulson | that's a bit weird still :/ | 08:01 |
| pitti | didrocks: right, but with the specialty of the partition table/first blockes being messed up | 08:01 |
| didrocks | pitti: dd if=/dev/sdb of=messedupkey count=2048 sounds good to you? | 08:03 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: is that a compiler bug, or does firefox have platform specific code? | 08:03 |
| pitti | didrocks: I"m not soure what the default bs is; perhaps try bs=1MB count=1 ? | 08:03 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - the code which fails isn't platform specific, so i'm not sure yet | 08:03 |
| didrocks | that can work too :-) | 08:04 |
| didrocks | pitti: here we go: http://people.canonical.com/~didrocks/messedupkey | 08:05 |
| pitti | didrocks: cheers; just uploaded gconf for the session start crash, so I can now look into that | 08:05 |
| didrocks | pitti: excellent, thanks a lot :) | 08:06 |
| pitti | jbicha: ah, I'm not a big fan of ubuntu.series -- it has to be kept up to date | 08:07 |
| pitti | it's not applied in addition to series | 08:07 |
| pitti | jbicha: perhaps we can use sed in debian/rules instead of a patch? | 08:07 |
| jbicha | pitti: hmm, I think I sorta understand what you're saying but I haven't done anything like that before | 08:10 |
| pitti | didrocks: wait, your's actually says iso9660? | 08:10 |
| jbicha | I haven't done ubuntu.series before either but I was able to read the man page for that | 08:10 |
| pitti | didrocks: usb-creator creates and writes FAT | 08:10 |
| pitti | didrocks: perhaps you tried dd'ing an .iso first to sdb then to sdb1? | 08:11 |
| pitti | didrocks: as cjwatson announced recently we should now have hybrid images, so that would actually work | 08:11 |
| didrocks | pitti: oh oh… you are probably right, I'm remember doing that some weeks ago | 08:11 |
| didrocks | for testing it | 08:11 |
| pitti | didrocks: does it work? | 08:11 |
| pitti | didrocks: just trying to recreate your steps to get an USB stick which is roughly the same | 08:12 |
| didrocks | pitti: yeah, it clearly does :) | 08:12 |
| pitti | nice | 08:12 |
| didrocks | pitti: so blame the user :-) me in that case! anyway, trying to mount the first part in case there are both would still be a great addition :) | 08:13 |
| pitti | didrocks: yes, I know | 08:13 |
| chrisccoulson | hmmm, it's a shame that the 10.04.3 ISO won't have a nice shiny new firefox version on it ;) | 08:13 |
| pitti | didrocks: I'm not arguing it's not a bug, just trying to recreate your broken usb stick | 08:13 |
| didrocks | pitti: right, you totally right, quite crazy I forgot that, sorry :/ | 08:14 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - oh, you fixed the gconf crash? i was going to look at that this morning :) | 08:15 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: yes | 08:15 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks | 08:15 |
| pitti | no worries ;) | 08:15 |
| pitti | slightly fewer apport spam dialogs at session start | 08:15 |
| pitti | the "system crashes" ones are annoying enough | 08:16 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: do you have the "Sharing Options" by right click in a nautilus folder? | 08:20 |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks, no, it doesn't look like it | 08:20 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: seems I'm not crazy then :) | 08:21 |
| pitti | didrocks: ah, no need for your image even -- merely dd'ing the iso on an USB stick reproduces that very bug | 08:25 |
| seb128 | hi! | 08:25 |
| pitti | bonjour seb128! had a nice long weekend? | 08:26 |
| didrocks | pitti: oh nice :) | 08:26 |
| didrocks | hey seb128! | 08:26 |
| seb128 | pitti, hey, excellent thanks! | 08:26 |
| seb128 | hey didrocks, how was your week off? | 08:26 |
| didrocks | seb128: it wasn't a week off ;) | 08:26 |
| seb128 | rrrrright ;-) | 08:26 |
| didrocks | but was nice | 08:26 |
| didrocks | seb128: even some people forced me to fix unity-2d at 02:00 AM :p | 08:27 |
| seb128 | next you will tell me GUADEC is an hard work week as well :-p | 08:27 |
| seb128 | lol | 08:27 |
| didrocks | didn't say it's an hard work, but people was disappointed to not see you so close to your home :) | 08:27 |
| seb128 | lol, you told them that some people have work to do? ;-) | 08:29 |
| didrocks | seb128: it wasn't a slacking week… but oh well, no time to argue, I have work to follow on | 08:30 |
| seb128 | didrocks, right, have a week off I bet you have ;-) | 08:30 |
| didrocks | … | 08:30 |
| seb128 | ok, I stop trolling you there :p | 08:30 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: btw, I have now the answer on your thunderbird not getting new emails on some folder before clicking on them: the indicator doesn't show them as well | 08:31 |
| vuntz | seb128: fwiw, I think it's important from a community perspective to have developers going to events like rmll | 08:34 |
| seb128 | hey vuntz | 08:35 |
| seb128 | vuntz, I'm sure didrocks got you to say that in exchange of something ;-) | 08:36 |
| seb128 | vuntz, but right, I don't disagree, it's just that cycles have a limited number of days and hours and it's hard to get work done and to attend all the conferences around as well | 08:37 |
| vuntz | oh, I tried to get him to break some stuff, but that didn't work | 08:37 |
| seb128 | vuntz, did you manage to second review the wnck patch? ;-) | 08:39 |
| vuntz | I'm waiting for some angel telling me what's the best way to name the API | 08:40 |
| desrt | seb128: didier told me that he relaxed a lot and did almost no work at rmll | 08:40 |
| desrt | seb128: i wouldn't have high expectations of what he accomplished while there | 08:40 |
| didrocks | desrt: :-) | 08:40 |
| seb128 | desrt, right, next he's going to tell people that GUADEC is a lot of work, I tell you ;-) | 08:41 |
| desrt | GUADEC is a lot of work | 08:41 |
| desrt | ...for ones liver | 08:41 |
| didrocks | seb128: did I tell that? but ok, meeting the openshot core dev, building the community, taking the time to explain why unity and having people changing their opinion is not that important… | 08:42 |
| seb128 | didrocks, let's stop that, I was mostly playing a bit with you, no worry ;-) | 08:43 |
| seb128 | hug! | 08:43 |
| seb128 | pitti, oh, you fixed that gconf segfault, great | 08:44 |
| seb128 | didrocks, oh, happy piloting btw ;-) | 08:46 |
| didrocks | seb128: I piloted the week before RMLL to swap with last Friday | 08:46 |
| didrocks | but thanks for the reminder nevertheless | 08:46 |
| seb128 | oh ok, I'm catching up on calendar and stuff since I was off friday | 08:46 |
| pitti | seb128: yay less apport spam ;) | 08:47 |
| seb128 | nice, the new gwibber landed, I can clean some extra gtk2 gconf lines | 08:48 |
| seb128 | but robert_ancell still didn't fix lightdm :-( | 08:48 |
| seb128 | hum, I wonder if he noticed it was broken, I will drop him an email | 08:48 |
| RAOF | What's broken about lightdm? | 08:50 |
| * RAOF is pretty sure he's got the latest packages, and everything *seems* to be working when he booted today… | 08:50 | |
| seb128 | the example greeter (which is default) segfault on protected userdirectories | 08:51 |
| seb128 | it seems to not like not being able to read the .dmrc | 08:51 |
| RAOF | Ah. And neither of those statements apply to my system, which would be why I haven't noticed :) | 08:51 |
| pitti | I use ecryptfs for my home, but the unity greeter | 08:51 |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks, oh, interesting. thanks | 08:52 |
| seb128 | the unity greeter doesn't have the issue | 08:52 |
| seb128 | hey chrisccoulson, how are you? | 08:52 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, yeah, good thanks. how are you? | 08:52 |
| seb128 | I'm fine thanks | 08:52 |
| seb128 | ideally we will get the unity greeter mir-reviewed and promoted soon but still would be nice to fix the default greeter | 08:53 |
| seb128 | pitti, btw did you see my py3cairo preinst comment before the w.e? | 09:00 |
| seb128 | well middle of previous week rather, before my w.e | 09:00 |
| pitti | seb128: I did | 09:00 |
| pitti | seb128: I reuploaded to NEW with the preinst removed | 09:00 |
| seb128 | ok, will re-review it | 09:00 |
| pitti | merci | 09:01 |
| seb128 | it seems fine out of that bit | 09:01 |
| seb128 | de rien ;-) | 09:01 |
| pitti | seb128: I also sent it to the Debian pycairo maintainers, but haven't heard back from them yet | 09:01 |
| seb128 | yeah, he's usually not very active or responsive | 09:01 |
| pitti | seb128: but I found a way to build python3-gobject without it, so I could do this large change in Debian | 09:01 |
| pitti | and we can enable the py3cairo bits once py3cairo lands in debian | 09:01 |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks, do you use a local filter in thunderbird to move your mail between folders btw, or do you do filtering elsewhere? | 09:05 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: filtering is done server side, nothing local | 09:06 |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks, aha | 09:06 |
| chrisccoulson | i guess that might be why | 09:06 |
| chrisccoulson | i think thunderbird checks those folders lazily | 09:06 |
| didrocks | oh… | 09:06 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm not 100% sure on that though | 09:06 |
| didrocks | some seems to be refresh quite frequently, but it's a huge blocker though :/ | 09:07 |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks, perhaps try right-clicking on the folder and selecting "When getting new messages for this account, always check this folder" (not sure what that translates to in french though) | 09:08 |
| chrisccoulson | (in the folder properties) | 09:08 |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks, i don't see the issue because i do my filtering locally | 09:08 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: trying and will tell you | 09:08 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks | 09:08 |
| didrocks | yw :) | 09:10 |
| rodrigo_ | hi | 09:12 |
| seb128 | hey rodrigo_ | 09:15 |
| didrocks | morning rodrigo_ | 09:17 |
| pitti | hey rodrigo_, how are you | 09:17 |
| rodrigo_ | hi seb128, pitti, didrocks, how are you? | 09:18 |
| didrocks | rodrigo_: I'm fine, thanks, and you? | 09:18 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: quite fine, thanks! | 09:18 |
| pitti | how about yourself? | 09:18 |
| rodrigo_ | I'm a bit tired since I went to sleep quite late last night, but fine otherwise :) | 09:18 |
| rodrigo_ | didrocks, seb128: enjoyed your 14th july? :) | 09:19 |
| seb128 | yes, very much! | 09:19 |
| seb128 | nice slacking w.e ;-) | 09:20 |
| rodrigo_ | :) | 09:20 |
| didrocks | nice fireworks in Lyon in the evening, I worked in the train and catchup on emails once back but trade with the 15th | 09:20 |
| rodrigo_ | but no head cutting in the celebrations, right? :) | 09:25 |
| seb128 | no ;-) | 09:28 |
| seb128 | pitti, did you just restart the retracers today? | 09:29 |
| pitti | seb128: yes, fixed up the broken amd64 chroot | 09:29 |
| pitti | seb128: well, "just" - that was maybe 1.5 hours ago | 09:29 |
| seb128 | ok, good, I was wondering if they were catching up on backlog or if we get a stream of new bugs ;-) | 09:30 |
| seb128 | reading through my bug email box it's retracer spammed | 09:30 |
| seb128 | but if that's backlog catching up that's ok | 09:30 |
| seb128 | pitti, thanks ;-) | 09:30 |
| pitti | does the new me-menu work for anyone? | 09:36 |
| jibel | it doesn't for me, and it breaks stacking of other menus | 09:40 |
| pitti | same here | 09:41 |
| pitti | and it pointlessly shows my name | 09:41 |
| jibel | +1 and my name is fairly long. it uses 15% of panel width :/ | 09:42 |
| pitti | it should probably show your status ("Away") instead, which would make more sense | 09:42 |
| pitti | or at least the user name, not the real name | 09:42 |
| seb128 | didrocks, does the skip bar flag you want to use in nautilus means also it will not be in the alt-tab list? | 09:42 |
| didrocks | seb128: right, for John, it's acceptable | 09:43 |
| seb128 | didrocks, what about non unity sessions? | 09:43 |
| didrocks | seb128: don't know, I think we don't have a nice story there | 09:44 |
| seb128 | hum | 09:44 |
| didrocks | I raised it during the discussion for what it worth | 09:44 |
| seb128 | didrocks, can we have those discussions in public or better on the bug next time? | 09:44 |
| didrocks | seb128: sure | 09:44 |
| seb128 | I'm not sure I agree with that change, having dialogs not in alt-tab really sucks | 09:44 |
| seb128 | especially when you are not under unity and you don't have a launcher | 09:45 |
| seb128 | didrocks, thanks | 09:45 |
| didrocks | not being able to open nautilus during a copy isn't nice as well | 09:45 |
| seb128 | well you can middle click the icon ;-) | 09:47 |
| didrocks | not really well advertized :-) but the real solution as told, will be to do some heavy tab-related work in bamf | 09:47 |
| seb128 | right, let's see, I guess they are not going to do that refactoring during the lts cycle either | 09:48 |
| seb128 | so let's see how it goes in practice | 09:48 |
| seb128 | we should make the copy dialog a standalone process so it has its own icon :p | 09:48 |
| didrocks | integrated into compiz? :-) | 09:49 |
| seb128 | why not ;-) | 09:51 |
| mvo | what is the current convention for dbus services "CamelCaseFunctions" or "pep8_style_lowercase" ? or something else? | 09:57 |
| mvo | hey seb128, welcome back, apt with hold-back-for-things-that-would-break-recommends has lnaded (we talked about it during the rally) | 09:58 |
| seb128 | mvo, hey, great! | 09:58 |
| mvo | (dbus question is regarding the new software-propoerteies frontend/backend split) | 09:58 |
| seb128 | mvo, will you get ride of gksudo there? | 09:59 |
| seb128 | dunno about if there is a naming convention, will let pitti or others reply ;-) | 09:59 |
| mvo | seb128: yeah, no more gksu there | 10:00 |
| mvo | seb128: plus better reflection of reality | 10:00 |
| seb128 | \o/ | 10:00 |
| mvo | :) | 10:00 |
| mvo | *but* lucnhtime ;) | 10:00 |
| pitti | didrocks: hm, unity-support-test says "no" in a guest session for me, in particilar "not software rendered: no" | 10:24 |
| didrocks | pitti: whereas it says "yes" in the main session? | 10:25 |
| pitti | right | 10:25 |
| * pitti tries another user account | 10:25 | |
| didrocks | can be a Xauth capability with apparmor if it's only the guest session | 10:25 |
| didrocks | some similar issues happened twice in the natty cycle | 10:25 |
| pitti | whoops, I get the example-greeter crash | 10:26 |
| pitti | (even though I run unity-greeter by default) | 10:26 |
| seb128 | pitti, see ;-) | 10:27 |
| seb128 | pitti, is that specific to guest session or do you get it with a test user? | 10:28 |
| pitti | seb128: guest session works | 10:28 |
| pitti | freshly created test user crashes | 10:28 |
| seb128 | weird | 10:28 |
| didrocks | pitti: you can try glxinfo | grep rendering btw, should give the same result (same X call) than the support test | 10:28 |
| pitti | and unity-2d doesn't respect my /usr/share/gconf/ubuntu-2d/default/zz_ubuntu-defaults-test overrides any more | 10:28 |
| pitti | didrocks: already tried that; it does say "direct rendering: Yes" in guest session | 10:29 |
| didrocks | hum, weird, we use the same flag, let me check | 10:29 |
| didrocks | pitti: right, the overrides are fix is "fix committed" | 10:29 |
| pitti | didrocks: you mean it doesn't read gconf any more right now? | 10:30 |
| pitti | so guest doesn't work with 3d; switching to test user is broken; unity-2d doesn't read gconf settings | 10:30 |
| didrocks | pitti: well, depends, if it fallbacks, it won't until we set the detection in lightdm itself. If you choose the session, the trigger wasn't… triggered | 10:30 |
| pitti | how am I supposed to test ubuntu-defaults-builder now? :-) | 10:31 |
| seb128 | pitti, kvm for the win? ;-) | 10:31 |
| pitti | didrocks: oh, you mean I could explicitly set the default session to unity-2d? | 10:31 |
| didrocks | pitti: right, the other has never worked for default settings | 10:31 |
| didrocks | (fallbacking) | 10:32 |
| pitti | didrocks: hm, as it happened /usr/share/xsessions/default.desktop already pointed to ubuntu-2d.desktop | 10:32 |
| * pitti pokes this harder | 10:32 | |
| didrocks | what is /usr/share/xsessions/default.desktop ? | 10:32 |
| didrocks | I should miss some updates, I don't have it there | 10:32 |
| pitti | I don't know where it's coming from | 10:33 |
| * pitti tries with lightdm.conf | 10:33 | |
| pitti | oh! lightdm doesn't tear down the guest account | 10:34 |
| pitti | didrocks: so you were saying if unity-2d is selected explicitly, the Xsession.d script should add some $XDG_something to make it pick up the gconf defaults? | 10:35 |
| seb128 | didrocks, it's not a distro package, it's probably an hacking leftover for default session in gdm or something | 10:35 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I've no such file installed either | 10:35 |
| didrocks | pitti: right | 10:35 |
| pitti | didrocks: now, doesn't seem to work :( | 10:35 |
| didrocks | pitti: so env | grep GDMSESSION is showing unity-2d right? | 10:36 |
| pitti | didrocks: which script is that? 70gconfd_path-on-session? | 10:36 |
| didrocks | pitti: indeed | 10:36 |
| didrocks | env | grep MANDATORY should add the new mandatory path | 10:36 |
| didrocks | show* | 10:36 |
| pitti | hm, now guest is broken, too | 10:37 |
| pitti | dear lightdm, you are nasty today | 10:37 |
| pitti | ok, giving up; logging out of my own session and trying ther, bbl | 10:38 |
| didrocks | /usr/share/xsessions/ubuntu-2d.desktop should enable adding /usr/share/gconf/ubuntu-2d.default.path | 10:38 |
| seb128 | didrocks, pitti, rodrigo_, jasoncwarner_: sorry about the empty email I didn't update my evolution yet | 10:44 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, :) | 10:45 |
| Laney | morning | 10:47 |
| Laney | did we manage to get mono 2.0 stuff off the cd yet? :-) | 10:47 |
| Laney | livefs logs look good | 10:52 |
| nerd_bloke | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/292203 has been marked as invalid against ppp, which project should it be assigned to for user creation with a usergroup membership? | 11:38 |
| ubot2 | Ubuntu bug 292203 in ppp "/usr/bin/pppd has group owner dip, not dialout" [Undecided,Invalid] | 11:38 |
| cyphermox | goooood morning! | 12:12 |
| pitti | hey cyphermox, how are you? | 12:13 |
| cyphermox | hey pitti, pretty good, you? | 12:13 |
| cyphermox | have you had time to take a look at my code? ;) | 12:13 |
| pitti | cyphermox: not yet, sorry; but it's high on my list | 12:13 |
| cyphermox | hehe | 12:13 |
| didrocks | good morning cyphermox | 12:21 |
| cyphermox | hey didrocks | 12:21 |
| * rodrigo_ lunch | 12:21 | |
| kenvandine | good morning everyone | 12:54 |
| cyphermox | morning kenvandine | 12:55 |
| pitti | hey kenvandine, how are you? had a nice weekend? | 12:55 |
| kenvandine | good, too busy... ready for work :) | 12:56 |
| kenvandine | pitti, and you? | 12:56 |
| pitti | kenvandine: was nice as well; went to Dresden for my niece's wedding | 12:57 |
| kenvandine | cool | 12:57 |
| didrocks | seb128: FYI: bug #723861, what's your pick? | 13:01 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 723861 in ayatana-design "Right clicking on the desktop still displays the “Create Launcher...” option." [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/723861 | 13:01 |
| seb128 | didrocks, it calls a gnome-panel binary so it's broken in oneiric | 13:02 |
| seb128 | didrocks, ideally we would check for the binary to enable the menu entry | 13:02 |
| seb128 | which would fix the default install case and make GNOME users still happy | 13:03 |
| didrocks | seb128: ideally, we would check for the binary and if unity is running | 13:03 |
| seb128 | right | 13:03 |
| didrocks | seb128: should I take time for this non default case? | 13:03 |
| seb128 | well I would not bother and just drop it adding a comment that it depends on a gnome-panel binary | 13:04 |
| didrocks | ok, dropping | 13:04 |
| seb128 | users can as well install a "create a launcher" small program and run it | 13:04 |
| seb128 | or use nautilus-script | 13:04 |
| didrocks | anyway, even showing the desktop isn't the case in fallback mode for upstream | 13:05 |
| seb128 | right, it's really a corner case use | 13:05 |
| seb128 | it doesn't really justify a context menu entry | 13:05 |
| lamalex | Sarvatt: i think im having that lightdm issue. any known fix? when i log in, it just hangs indefinitely | 13:06 |
| seb128 | didrocks, you might want to open a bug upstream suggesting them to drop it ;-) | 13:06 |
| seb128 | especially if they still call the gnome-panel binary | 13:06 |
| didrocks | seb128: hum, won't they tell "well, let's drop nautilus showing the desktop?" :-) but yeah, I can try | 13:07 |
| charlie-tca | didrocks: Are we going to be able to get the fix for bug 804734 into oneiric soon? | 13:08 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 804734 in xorg "Please ship 60xdg_path-on-session like gdm" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/804734 | 13:08 |
| didrocks | charlie-tca: it's fix committed. Next time x11-common is uploaded, which is up to the xork guys | 13:09 |
| didrocks | xorg* | 13:09 |
| charlie-tca | okay, who do I need to talk to to get that done, then? | 13:10 |
| lamalex | didrocks: seb128 do you guys know anything about this lightdm bug? | 13:10 |
| charlie-tca | This is holding my images up from working | 13:10 |
| seb128 | lamalex, no | 13:10 |
| didrocks | charlie-tca: maybe ask on #ubuntu-x I would say | 13:11 |
| charlie-tca | Thanlk you | 13:11 |
| didrocks | yw | 13:11 |
| charlie-tca | thank you, even | 13:11 |
| lamalex | is robertancell on holiday? | 13:12 |
| seb128 | no | 13:14 |
| seb128 | he's living on .au | 13:14 |
| seb128 | like it's almost midnight for him at the moment | 13:14 |
| bigon | seb128: around? | 13:18 |
| seb128 | bigon, yes | 13:18 |
| bigon | seb128: did you saw that there is a patch that fix FTBFS of tp-glib in ubuntu | 13:19 |
| bigon | ? | 13:19 |
| seb128 | bigon, yes but I will let infinity deal with it, he did the update and opened an upstream bug | 13:19 |
| seb128 | he's likely on it | 13:19 |
| bigon | k | 13:20 |
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| * Sweetshark uploads a shiny new 3.4.X libreoffice package. | 13:33 | |
| Sweetshark | Icanhazbeowulfclusterofbuildd? | 13:33 |
| pitti | heh | 13:39 |
| pitti | nice! | 13:39 |
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| lamalex | oh my god how do i change my layout options with the new gnome 3 control center | 13:47 |
| lamalex | my caps lock is a caps lock and it's freaking me out, man | 13:48 |
| seb128 | gnome-control-center region, layout tab, options | 13:52 |
| seb128 | though I think that's being dropped in 3.2 | 13:52 |
| mterry | pitti, what was wrong with sunpinyin that we reverted it? | 14:06 |
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| pitti | mterry: it's too big; I thought that pinyin was 15 MB, but it's only 1.5 (due to the explicitly seeded -android-db) | 14:16 |
| pitti | mterry: sunpinyin is 19 MB, there's just no way we can make it fit; we'll add it to the Chinese image instead | 14:17 |
| pitti | mterry: and language-selector now pulls it in dynamically | 14:17 |
| mterry | pitti, cool | 14:17 |
| seb128 | hum | 14:22 |
| seb128 | pitti, were you in discussion where it was decided that suspend and hibernate would not be turned on as available by default, only on certified systems? | 14:23 |
| seb128 | that seems a bit crazy | 14:23 |
| seb128 | suspends work on most laptop usually | 14:23 |
| pitti | erm, what? | 14:23 |
| seb128 | or is that a design,dx decision? | 14:23 |
| seb128 | pitti, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Power | 14:24 |
| pitti | I've heard about wishes to disable hibernate, but even the OEM team said that they want it on | 14:24 |
| pitti | disabling suspend sounds crazy to me | 14:24 |
| seb128 | pitti, well "having an ui to turn it on but not checked by default" | 14:24 |
| pitti | if it really doesn't work on a particular machine, well, "don't do that then" | 14:24 |
| seb128 | c.f that wiki | 14:24 |
| pitti | but it works fine in most cases | 14:24 |
| seb128 | right | 14:27 |
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| seb128 | vuntz, so, how is that wnck naming thinking going? ;-) | 14:50 |
| bryceh | I've got a couple baby doctor appointments, but will be back in ~3 hrs | 15:01 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, how is the goa packaging going? | 15:10 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, do you need reviews or help for it? | 15:10 |
| pitti | good night everyone! | 15:30 |
| seb128 | 'night pitti | 15:32 |
| didrocks | good night pitti | 15:32 |
| micahg | pitti: re gnome-shell fix>thanks, I meant to fwd it after I verified it broken in Debian | 15:35 |
| AlfE1 | hello | 15:44 |
| AlfE1 | where does network manager store the vpn logs? | 15:45 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, no, almost done, will probably ask for a review tomorrow | 15:46 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, ok | 15:47 |
| cyphermox | AlfE1: you'll want to look at /var/log/sys | 15:57 |
| cyphermox | */var/log/syslog | 15:57 |
| cyphermox | AlfE1: that said, please go to #ubuntu if you have questions to ask about how to use, or running into problems with using, NM and others; #ubuntu-desktop is a development channel to discuss the development of the Ubuntu Desktop; #ubuntu is the support channel. | 15:58 |
| cyphermox | didrocks: still around? did you have time to look at the vpnc/network-manager-vpnc mirs? | 15:59 |
| didrocks | cyphermox: sure | 16:01 |
| didrocks | cyphermox: so, not seeded, isn't it? | 16:01 |
| cyphermox | didrocks: no | 16:01 |
| seb128 | re | 16:08 |
| mvo | if someone is keen to play (and fix ;) with the dbus-ified software-properties, its at lp:~mvo/software-properties/updates-redesign | 16:08 |
| seb128 | mvo, mterry: update-notifier notifies me about updates, reboot required, apport issues, etc since I update, is that normal behaviour or a bug in the gsettings update? | 16:08 |
| seb128 | it's confusing because the notification say to click on the notification icon but we have none | 16:09 |
| seb128 | 16:09 | |
| seb128 | bah, evolution still fails to display the debian-devel-changes emails | 16:09 |
| seb128 | but at least it sends non empty emails now ;-) | 16:09 |
| mterry | seb128, hrm, I haven't seen that myself. Could be a bug in gsettings... What does your dconf-editor show in com.canonical.update-notifier? | 16:17 |
| seb128 | mterry, com.ubuntu you mean I guess? | 16:18 |
| mterry | seb128, nope, canonical | 16:18 |
| seb128 | com.ubuntu.update-notifier false | 16:18 |
| seb128 | mterry, there is no canonical | 16:18 |
| mterry | hmm.... | 16:18 |
| mterry | maybe mvo changed my merge | 16:19 |
| seb128 | mterry, I think mvo changed the namespace when he merged it | 16:19 |
| * mterry thinks we need a clear policy on such things | 16:19 | |
| mterry | It's a Canonical CA project... | 16:19 |
| seb128 | yeah, same here | 16:19 |
| seb128 | dunno why he changed it | 16:19 |
| didrocks | cyphermox: there are some direct call for vpnc to system($Var_from_config_file), I don't really like that, I asked the security team to do a review | 16:20 |
| seb128 | <key name="no-show-notifications" type="b"> | 16:20 |
| seb128 | <default>false</default> | 16:20 |
| seb128 | <summary>Stop showing update notifications</summary> | 16:20 |
| seb128 | mterry, mvo: so yeah, default is to display notifications it seems | 16:20 |
| mterry | seb128, I have that as false too, but I haven't seen notifications | 16:20 |
| mterry | seb128, I don't believe that was changed | 16:20 |
| * mterry looks at merge again | 16:21 | |
| cyphermox | didrocks: ok, thanks | 16:21 |
| seb128 | mterry, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/update-notifier/ubuntu/revision/632 btw | 16:21 |
| didrocks | cyphermox: network-manager-vpnc seems ok, but waiting on the other one :) | 16:22 |
| cyphermox | sure, that's fine | 16:24 |
| seb128 | mterry, seems like no_show_notifications was not in the schemas before? | 16:24 |
| mterry | seb128, true, it was a secret pref. but undeclared bool prefs in gconf default to false | 16:27 |
| mterry | It does seem like the culprit though... | 16:28 |
| seb128 | maybe I had tweaked values for those | 16:29 |
| seb128 | but I'm pretty sure we didn't display notifications by default since we autospawn update-manager | 16:29 |
| seb128 | same for the reboot, we change the indicator to indicate a restart is required | 16:30 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: seems I don't get again the "no notification until clicking on folder" after checking on each folder the box you pointed me at. That's weird it wasn't the case everywhere though | 16:32 |
| mterry | seb128, does dconf-editor show that you have auto-launch enabled? | 16:33 |
| mterry | seb128, the code skips the reboot notification if so | 16:33 |
| seb128 | it's enabled yes and that seems the default | 16:34 |
| seb128 | mterry, don't bother about it, thanks for looking at it | 16:34 |
| seb128 | I wonder if that was an upgrade thing | 16:34 |
| seb128 | like update-notifier on gconf still running | 16:34 |
| seb128 | but the gconf database went away under its feet | 16:34 |
| mterry | seb128, as long as no one else sees it, I guess we're fine | 16:34 |
| seb128 | I've restarted my session and it seems to work fine now | 16:35 |
| seb128 | so maybe it was the gconf instance still running with the gsettings one installed | 16:35 |
| seb128 | we should perhaps restart it in the postinst or something | 16:35 |
| seb128 | I will check with mvo | 16:35 |
| seb128 | bah, dconf is a mess | 16:36 |
| seb128 | the namespace use rather | 16:37 |
| seb128 | the desktop.unity stuff should probably be moved | 16:37 |
| seb128 | it's confusing to have apps. desktop. and then com. and org | 16:38 |
| czajkowski | kenvandine: ello ello you about | 16:43 |
| kenvandine | hey czajkowski | 16:45 |
| czajkowski | kenvandine: guess what :) | 16:46 |
| kenvandine | gwibber bug :) | 16:46 |
| czajkowski | yup latest update makes it crash on start up | 16:46 |
| czajkowski | just when gwibber and I were getting on | 16:46 |
| kenvandine | on oneiric? | 16:46 |
| czajkowski | works on fine my mini 9 2d unity. | 16:47 |
| czajkowski | dear gods no, natty. not brave yet for oneiric | 16:47 |
| kenvandine | it didn't change on natty.... | 16:47 |
| kenvandine | oh, do you have it from a ppa? | 16:47 |
| czajkowski | no... | 16:47 |
| kenvandine | apt-cache policy gwibber | 16:48 |
| kenvandine | just to make sure :) | 16:48 |
| czajkowski | Installed: 3.0.0.1-0ubuntu3 | 16:48 |
| czajkowski | Candidate: 3.0.0.1-0ubuntu3 | 16:48 |
| czajkowski | Version table: | 16:48 |
| czajkowski | *** 3.0.0.1-0ubuntu3 0 | 16:48 |
| czajkowski | 500 http://ubuntu.datahop.net/ubuntu/ natty-updates/main i386 Packages | 16:48 |
| czajkowski | 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status | 16:48 |
| czajkowski | 3.0.0.1-0ubuntu2 0 | 16:49 |
| czajkowski | 500 http://ubuntu.datahop.net/ubuntu/ natty/main i386 Packages | 16:49 |
| kenvandine | ok | 16:49 |
| kenvandine | i wonder what changed | 16:49 |
| kenvandine | killall -9 gwibber-service; gwibber-service -d -o | 16:50 |
| kenvandine | then run the client again | 16:50 |
| czajkowski | ok | 16:53 |
| czajkowski | dear gwibber, please start :( | 16:53 |
| czajkowski | kenvandine: it crashes and report comes up to send in bug | 16:54 |
| kenvandine | ok, send the bug please | 16:55 |
| czajkowski | will do | 16:55 |
| kenvandine | czajkowski, ping me with the bug number | 16:55 |
| czajkowski | pretty sure gwibber and this machine just don't want to work | 16:55 |
| czajkowski | kenvandine: thanks | 16:58 |
| czajkowski | kenvandine: I promise one day to ask you about a non gwibber bug! | 16:58 |
| kenvandine | hehe :) | 16:59 |
| kenvandine | sure... | 16:59 |
| czajkowski | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gwibber/+bug/812414 | 16:59 |
| ubot2 | czajkowski: Error: <Bugtracker.plugin.Launchpad instance at 0x8d65a2c> bug 812414 not found | 16:59 |
| kenvandine | czajkowski, please also attach the log file | 17:00 |
| kenvandine | ~/.cache/gwibber/gwibber.log | 17:00 |
| czajkowski | kenvandine: Thank you | 17:03 |
| didrocks | have a good evening everyone | 17:04 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, you should clean gwibber merge requests one day ;-) | 17:53 |
| seb128 | there is a stack of those sitting there | 17:53 |
| kenvandine | seb128, yeah... i know | 18:09 |
| mterry | tedg, heyo, want to have a chat about ubuntu-local? | 20:42 |
| mterry | The menubar property, that is | 20:42 |
| tedg | mterry, Sure | 20:44 |
| mterry | tedg, so, the intention is that it's an opt-out for 3rd parties of appmenu-gtk in case they have a non-main menubar hanging around, right? | 20:45 |
| mterry | tedg, or is it an internal implementation detail? | 20:46 |
| tedg | mterry, Or if they don't want their menu bar shown. | 20:46 |
| tedg | mterry, More a universal opt-out | 20:46 |
| mterry | tedg, well, it's more targeted than 'universal'. I'm talking about the per-menubar property 'ubuntu-local' | 20:46 |
| tedg | mterry, Yes, I realize. But the idea was that app developers could put that on all their menu bars if they wanted. | 20:47 |
| mterry | tedg, I see | 20:47 |
| mterry | tedg, well, freeciv hit a bug where non-main menubars weren't showing up. One solution would have been to set ubuntu-local. But that didn't work, because if they opened a submenu on it, the menubar disappeared again | 20:48 |
| mterry | tedg, I've tracked that down as an overzealous mirroring of the 'show-local' proxy property into menubars' 'ubuntu-local' properties by appmenu-gtk | 20:48 |
| mterry | Or rather, overzealous setting of 'show-local' by appmenu-gtk. GTK+ itself does the mirroring | 20:49 |
| tedg | Ah, hmm. Interesting. | 20:49 |
| tedg | mterry, Uhg, sorry if missed something. Focus issues and using Ctrl+W | 20:52 |
| mterry | tedg, you may have missed "Or rather, overzealous setting of 'show-local' by appmenu-gtk. GTK+ itself does the mirroring". So the quick fix is to not set show-local to the same value it already holds (which prevents constant setting of show-local and thus constant mirroring to ubuntu-local). But I feel like there are still legitimate times when show-local will be set and the user-provided value in ubuntu-local will be overwritten. Is there | 20:52 |
| mterry | a good way to help this situation? | 20:52 |
| mterry | We could introduce a third variable, 'ubuntu-local-internal' which considers the value of show-local and ubuntu-local.... | 20:53 |
| tedg | mterry, Is there a reason to cache it? I mean, just have a macro to pull the two together? | 20:54 |
| mterry | tedg, sure, that's true. We could stop mirroring in GTK+ and just have the menubar look at both | 20:56 |
| tedg | mterry, Seems simpler to me. what do you think? | 20:56 |
| mterry | tedg, sure, I'll work on a patch tomorrow | 20:56 |
| tedg | Great, thanks mterry! | 20:57 |
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| RoAkSoAx | [6~win 16 | 21:42 |
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| AlfE1 | thanks to cyphermox, but I didn't got a reply on #ubuntu, so i tried here | 22:42 |
| ronoc | TheMuso, hey | 23:34 |
| TheMuso | ronoc: Hi. | 23:34 |
| ronoc | TheMuso, Have you noticed pavucontrol crashes on startup | 23:35 |
| ronoc | its looking for some xml file that isn't there | 23:35 |
| TheMuso | ronoc: No, I haven't/don't use it. | 23:35 |
| ronoc | okay ill have a look | 23:35 |
| TheMuso | ah ok | 23:35 |
| ronoc | TheMuso, good night | 23:35 |
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