[02:27] <Atamira> d
[03:03] <hads> hey ibeardslee did you find any power racks?
[03:06] <ibeardslee> found some with argent, but still looking for other options of rails
[03:07] <hads> ibeardslee: I can get this for you; http://opengear.com/product-ip-pdu.html
[03:07] <hads> The AU/NZ version has IEC sockets rather than what's shown in the main image.
[03:09] <ibeardslee> our racks have 80 outlets in them .. 20 outlets on each of the 4 circuits
[03:10] <ibeardslee> generally they aren't all used
[03:10] <hads> Ah, something larger then.
[03:10] <ibeardslee> yeah .. probably need a minimum of 16 or so
[03:11] <ibeardslee> cascading them would be less than ideal
[03:11] <hads> Don't think I have access to anything bigger off the top of my head.
[03:12] <ibeardslee> and ideally be able to monitor each outlet
[03:12] <ibeardslee> being able to on/off them is less important
[19:57] <ibeardslee> morning
[20:14] <ajmitch> morning
[20:55] <chilts> morning
[21:00] <thumper> morning
[21:02] <chrismsnz> morning!
[21:24] <Atamira> morning
[21:54] <mwhudson> morning
[22:13] <thumper> hi mwhudson, climbing the email mountain?
[22:16] <mwhudson> thumper: still on the foothills
[22:16] <thumper> :)
[22:17] <thumper> Anyone got any good laptop recommendations?
[22:17] <thumper> ideally I'm after an i7 quad core hyper-threaded
[22:17] <thumper> in a small light case with battery forever
[22:17] <thumper> :)
[22:18] <mwhudson> thumper: x220 is most of that, but it's only dual core (w/o hyperthreading anyway)
[22:19] <thumper> so only two effective cores?
[22:19] <thumper> :(
[22:19] <mwhudson> thumper: it has the bonus that about a million people in canonical already have one, so i'm sure oneiric will work really well on it :)
[22:19] <thumper> I'd really like 8, but 4 would be enough
[22:19]  * thumper is compiling code again
[22:19] <thumper> and I want it faster
[22:19] <mwhudson> not aware of any small quad core i7 laptops
[22:19] <mwhudson> but i haven't looked in a while
[22:20] <thumper> If I'm to wait for my laptop bonus, that is another year away
[22:21] <ibeardslee> http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=397145 ?
[22:22] <ibeardslee> bonus is you should be able to get that with FreeDOS
[22:22] <ibeardslee> I'd also get the SSD and the extended battery
[22:22] <ibeardslee> for a bit of extra light and battery going on forevery
[22:23] <ibeardslee> although the extended battery does negate some of the light
[22:23] <ibeardslee> and while you are getting the custom build, drop the Radeon for the intel graphics
[22:24] <chrismsnz> thumper: I have an X220
[22:25] <thumper> ibeardslee: Dead Pixel Policy	 - May have some pixel defects
[22:25] <thumper> chrismsnz: how is it?
[22:25] <mwhudson> thumper: i have an x220 too, to be clear :)
[22:25] <mwhudson> it's awesome
[22:25] <ibeardslee> thumper: good luck finding a laptop that doesn't have that :(
[22:25] <chrismsnz> 12" IPS display, i7, 160Gb SSD, 8gb ram, 6 cell battery - got it for ~$2k from lenovo's online store when they were having a sale
[22:26] <mwhudson> i'm not compiling c++ though
[22:26] <chrismsnz> thumper: it's great, very light and runs cool but has the guts to scale up when you need it
[22:26] <mwhudson> mind you njpatel does too, and he is
[22:26] <thumper> chrismsnz: but only two cores?
[22:26] <mwhudson> thumper: the i7 options is an i7-2620M
[22:26] <chrismsnz> thumper: no it has more... i think it may even be 6
[22:26] <thumper> oh...
[22:27] <chrismsnz> I also got it with intel wireless - everything is out of the box supported in 11.04 which is a first for me and laptops
[22:27] <chrismsnz> thumper: maybe it is only dual core... not sure
[22:28] <chrismsnz> I don't have it with me right now :\
[22:28] <thumper> chrismsnz: what OS?
[22:28] <mwhudson> thumper: are you going to uds?
[22:28] <thumper> mwhudson: maybe...
[22:28] <thumper> mwhudson: the dx sprint is the week before
[22:28] <chrismsnz> thumper: it came with windows but i put on ubuntu as soon as i burned the recovery discs
[22:28] <thumper> I'm just wondering about staying on any
[22:28] <mwhudson> thumper: ah so the "two weeks away" thing
[22:29] <thumper> yeah...
[22:29] <thumper> it is near the end of the 'tech year for Rachel
[22:29] <thumper> busy time for her project
[22:29] <thumper> I considered taking everyone to florida
[22:29] <thumper> but not sure that will fly
[22:29] <thumper> have to consider it
[22:29] <thumper> been told to look for tickets already
[22:29] <mwhudson> heh, i was going to suggest that as a joke
[22:29] <chrismsnz> thumper: there's a special offer on right now: http://shopap.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/nzweb/LenovoPortal/en_NZ/catalog.workflow:category.details?current-catalog-id=3634951826AE4D3881BFFF1AC5FCD957&current-category-id=44CB7BA6E9E1E82B880F60DDF5781B5F&action=init
[22:30] <chrismsnz> not as good as the price I fluked
[22:30] <chrismsnz> but not bad
[22:30] <chrismsnz> I had a 35% off coupon >_<
[22:30] <mwhudson> chrismsnz: jealous!
[22:30] <thumper> mwhudson: that i7 is hyperthreaded
[22:30] <thumper> chrismsnz: got a coupon for me?
[22:30] <mwhudson> i ended up dumping nearly $4k on mine
[22:31] <ajmitch> looks like a nice laptop
[22:31] <mwhudson> (including base + on site warranty and some other bits)
[22:31] <ajmitch> though I tend to like laptops with bigger screens, rather than lighter models
[22:31] <chrismsnz> The current coupon is "THINKDO", my coupon was "LASTCHANCE" and had something to do with the end of the tax year
[22:32] <thumper>   >Save 30% on ThinkPad X220 laptops with eCoupon THINKDO* when your configuration is $3,400 or more
[22:32] <chrismsnz> so I maxxed out an X220 and got $3k worth of laptop for about $2
[22:32] <chrismsnz> the more you spend the more you save!
[22:32] <chrismsnz> mine was 33% on 2800 or over iirc
[22:32] <chrismsnz> ssd and other tweaks can take you over that threshold lol
[22:34] <chrismsnz> btw, if you get the WWAN card that's supported in ubuntu network manager out of the box also
[22:34] <chrismsnz> I was very surprised to find that
[22:34] <chrismsnz> (its not gobi)
[22:34] <mwhudson> oh interesting
[22:34] <thumper> well that is kinda shitty
[22:34] <thumper> you can't change the HDD for an SSD
[22:34] <mwhudson> uh
[22:34] <chrismsnz> thumper: pick the middle one and it has further customisation
[22:34] <mwhudson> which option did you start with?
[22:34] <thumper> ok
[22:35] <mwhudson> lenovo's configurator is a bit less shitty than the industry average
[22:35] <chrismsnz> Ericsson F5521gw is linux supported in-kernel
[22:35] <mwhudson> but still very bad
[22:36] <chrismsnz> I had to add the ultrabase to put it over $3400
[22:36] <chrismsnz> but the price goes down to $2400 when you do lol
[22:36] <chrismsnz> so it's essentially free
[22:36] <chrismsnz> maxxing out everything gave me:
[22:36] <chrismsnz> Web price:	NZ$3,410.14	ex GST*
[22:36] <chrismsnz> After eCoupon	NZ$2,387.10
[22:37] <thumper> Web price:	NZ$4,330.84	ex GST*
[22:37] <thumper> After eCoupon	NZ$3,031.59
[22:37] <chrismsnz> _b
[22:37] <thumper> why is mine more I wonder
[22:37] <chrismsnz> warranty?
[22:37] <ibeardslee> would be nice to be able to configure it without WIndows
[22:38] <chrismsnz> ibeardslee: yeah... however you can burn recovery media so it's easy to sell it later with factory software load
[22:38] <chrismsnz> ibeardslee: trying to sell my linux netbook (the 5102 i got from ascent via you) and it's a pita haha
[22:38] <thumper> no
[22:38] <ibeardslee> why selling it?
[22:39] <chrismsnz> ibeardslee: I have 3 laptops and a desktop now
[22:39] <ibeardslee> ahh
[22:39] <chrismsnz> older mbp, netbook, x220 and gaming pc
[22:39] <ibeardslee> is it on trademe?
[22:39] <chrismsnz> yep
[22:39] <ibeardslee> link?
[22:39] <chrismsnz> http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=391798120
[22:40] <chrismsnz> good deal! considering i bought it a year ago for $1100
[22:40] <chrismsnz> just won't sell though lol
[22:41] <ibeardslee> pity the various open/free mailing lists won't allow for sale type mails
[22:46] <chilts> morning fun: http://i.imgur.com/Bjnba.jpg (SFW)
[22:47] <thumper> http://zareason.com/shop/Verix-2.html with 160gig SSD and 8gig ram only comes to 2082 USD
[22:47] <thumper> a little big, but full HD
[22:47] <thumper> oh, and a quad core i7
[22:47] <ajmitch> plus how much shipping?
[22:48] <ajmitch> & then GST on top of that when you bring it in, I guess
[22:48] <ajmitch> I'm impressed that you can get it with 16GB of RAM though :)
[22:49] <thumper> yeah, you do get hit for GST
[22:49] <thumper> with the exchange rate now though, worth thinking about
[22:49] <hads> They don't ship International anymore.
[22:49] <mwhudson> thumper: just register for gst already you lazy bum
[22:49] <thumper> mwhudson: but then I have to fill out those returns
[22:50] <ajmitch> so it'd mean getting it through a friend in the US & getting them to send it
[22:50]  * mwhudson likes his six-monthly payments from ird
[22:50] <thumper> mwhudson: how much do you get back?
[22:50] <thumper> surely it isn't that much
[22:50] <hads> Depends how much you spend
[22:50] <mwhudson> thumper: don't you have an accountant?  gst returns really aren't that bad
[22:50] <mwhudson> thumper: i rent an office in town, so it's quite a bit
[22:50] <thumper> ah...
[22:50] <thumper> I don't
[22:51] <thumper> my gst spending isn't worth the hastle
[22:51] <mwhudson> well, it's your money :)
[22:51] <chilts> mwhudson: are you freelance/contracting?
[22:51] <mwhudson> hah, you can get 16 gigs of ram in that verix
[22:51] <hads> There is a cheats way around GST, use a freight forwarding company where you can fill out your own customs declaration.
[22:52] <mwhudson> chilts: for tax purposes, yes
[22:52] <chilts> heh
[22:52] <mwhudson> (but my only client is canonical and they treat me more like an employee than a contractor, but there's no canonical nz for me to be an employee of)
[22:53] <chilts> ah, I didn't realise ... I thought you guys were employees
[22:53] <chilts> so essentially you're contracting to an overseas firm?
[22:53] <thumper> chilts: we kinda are
[22:53] <mwhudson> yeah
[22:53] <chilts> right, I see
[22:53] <chrismsnz> mwhudson: interesting! What do you do for canonical?
[22:53] <mwhudson> chrismsnz: linaro infrastructure bits
[22:54] <chrismsnz> mwhudson: oh, nice :)
[22:56] <chilts> mwhudson: where is your office in town? do you have any spare desks whhich you might sometimes want to 'hire out'?
[22:57] <chilts> I'm currently contracting 5 days a week, but I expect that'll come down to 4 soon
[22:57] <mwhudson> chilts: i'm at the bizdojo
[22:57] <chilts> and may still keep coming into town for my 'day off'
[22:57] <chilts> bizdojo? I'll look it up
[22:57] <chrismsnz> I had no idea that bizdojo existed
[22:57] <chilts> http://www.bizdojo.com/ I guess
[22:58] <mwhudson> yes
[22:58] <mwhudson> it's pretty new
[22:58] <chilts> I found another place like that a couple of months ago, it was up in the Terrace I think
[22:58] <mwhudson> chilts: altspace?
[22:58] <chilts> ay, that'll be the one
[22:59] <chilts> hmm, can't find prices though
[23:00] <chilts> mwhudson: mind if I pop in sometime and take a look around? I'd rather get shown it by someone else rather than the people who own it :) (if that's allowed) :)
[23:00] <mwhudson> chilts: sure, no problem
[23:01] <chilts> any particular time okay with you? I could do lunchtime or maybe later afternoon on Thursday?
[23:01] <chilts> (any lunchtime I should clarify)
[23:02] <mwhudson> any time is fine with me (with a little warning)
[23:02] <chilts> would you be around at about 5pm today?
[23:03] <mwhudson> yeah
[23:03] <chilts> cool, will see you around then then ... thanks :)
[23:03] <mwhudson> :)
[23:06] <thumper> is there a way to force firefox or chrome to apply an xml-stylesheet when looking at a local file?
[23:06] <thumper> when I put the file on a host and server through apache, it does
[23:06] <thumper> but not accessing the file directly
[23:06] <thumper> is it apache doing the transformation?
[23:07] <chilts> I wouldn't have thought so, probably the browser
[23:07] <chilts> but I don't know how (sorry)
[23:07] <chilts> does it link to the XSL from the XML (and if so, is the link correct)?
[23:09] <thumper> <?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="styleguide.xsl"?>
[23:09] <thumper> it seems to be
[23:09] <thumper> the file is certainly there
[23:13] <hads> Possibly the mimetype being sent
[23:14] <snail> thumper: that trick only works with xsl 1.0, check the version
[23:15] <thumper> yeah, it is version 1.0
[23:15] <thumper> it works fine over apache
[23:15] <thumper> but not locally
[23:17] <snail> i've got an example on disk that works with : <?xml-stylesheet href="rgom2.xsl"  type="text/xsl"?>
[23:18] <snail> I always use a preceeding <?xml version="1.0"?>
[23:18] <snail> no idea whether that matters
[23:18] <thumper> hmm... if I add a symlink to /var/www and access through localhost, it works and applies the template
[23:18] <thumper> so best guess is the mime type being sent
[23:19] <thumper> :(
[23:20] <thumper> fooey
[23:21] <chilts> Hong Kong Fooey?
[23:21] <chilts> it seems it 'Phooey' :)
[23:22] <chilts> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_Phooey
[23:22] <chilts> heh, I'm on a bit of a random today
[23:23] <snail>  thumper: mime type or security
[23:24]  * thumper found xsltproc
[23:26] <snail> thumper: if you know regexps, you may want to upgrade to saxon / xslt 2.0 to take advantage of them
[23:26] <thumper> nope
[23:26]  * thumper wants simple and easy, and 20 minute fix
[23:33] <chilts> to be honest, as soon as people say they are using XSLT, I suggest to use something else (Python, Perl, whatever) ... but I guess that's not an option here?
[23:47] <snail> chilts: yeah, unless you're dealing with document-oriented stuff usually something else is better