[02:27] d [03:03] hey ibeardslee did you find any power racks? [03:06] found some with argent, but still looking for other options of rails [03:07] ibeardslee: I can get this for you; http://opengear.com/product-ip-pdu.html [03:07] The AU/NZ version has IEC sockets rather than what's shown in the main image. [03:09] our racks have 80 outlets in them .. 20 outlets on each of the 4 circuits [03:10] generally they aren't all used [03:10] Ah, something larger then. [03:10] yeah .. probably need a minimum of 16 or so [03:11] cascading them would be less than ideal [03:11] Don't think I have access to anything bigger off the top of my head. [03:12] and ideally be able to monitor each outlet [03:12] being able to on/off them is less important [19:57] morning [20:14] morning [20:55] morning [21:00] morning [21:02] morning! [21:24] morning [21:54] morning [22:13] hi mwhudson, climbing the email mountain? [22:16] thumper: still on the foothills [22:16] :) [22:17] Anyone got any good laptop recommendations? [22:17] ideally I'm after an i7 quad core hyper-threaded [22:17] in a small light case with battery forever [22:17] :) [22:18] thumper: x220 is most of that, but it's only dual core (w/o hyperthreading anyway) [22:19] so only two effective cores? [22:19] :( [22:19] thumper: it has the bonus that about a million people in canonical already have one, so i'm sure oneiric will work really well on it :) [22:19] I'd really like 8, but 4 would be enough [22:19] * thumper is compiling code again [22:19] and I want it faster [22:19] not aware of any small quad core i7 laptops [22:19] but i haven't looked in a while [22:20] If I'm to wait for my laptop bonus, that is another year away [22:21] http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=397145 ? [22:22] bonus is you should be able to get that with FreeDOS [22:22] I'd also get the SSD and the extended battery [22:22] for a bit of extra light and battery going on forevery [22:23] although the extended battery does negate some of the light [22:23] and while you are getting the custom build, drop the Radeon for the intel graphics [22:24] thumper: I have an X220 [22:25] ibeardslee: Dead Pixel Policy - May have some pixel defects [22:25] chrismsnz: how is it? [22:25] thumper: i have an x220 too, to be clear :) [22:25] it's awesome [22:25] thumper: good luck finding a laptop that doesn't have that :( [22:25] 12" IPS display, i7, 160Gb SSD, 8gb ram, 6 cell battery - got it for ~$2k from lenovo's online store when they were having a sale [22:26] i'm not compiling c++ though [22:26] thumper: it's great, very light and runs cool but has the guts to scale up when you need it [22:26] mind you njpatel does too, and he is [22:26] chrismsnz: but only two cores? [22:26] thumper: the i7 options is an i7-2620M [22:26] thumper: no it has more... i think it may even be 6 [22:26] oh... [22:27] I also got it with intel wireless - everything is out of the box supported in 11.04 which is a first for me and laptops [22:27] thumper: maybe it is only dual core... not sure [22:28] I don't have it with me right now :\ [22:28] chrismsnz: what OS? [22:28] thumper: are you going to uds? [22:28] mwhudson: maybe... [22:28] mwhudson: the dx sprint is the week before [22:28] thumper: it came with windows but i put on ubuntu as soon as i burned the recovery discs [22:28] I'm just wondering about staying on any [22:28] thumper: ah so the "two weeks away" thing [22:29] yeah... [22:29] it is near the end of the 'tech year for Rachel [22:29] busy time for her project [22:29] I considered taking everyone to florida [22:29] but not sure that will fly [22:29] have to consider it [22:29] been told to look for tickets already [22:29] heh, i was going to suggest that as a joke [22:29] thumper: there's a special offer on right now: http://shopap.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/nzweb/LenovoPortal/en_NZ/catalog.workflow:category.details?current-catalog-id=3634951826AE4D3881BFFF1AC5FCD957¤t-category-id=44CB7BA6E9E1E82B880F60DDF5781B5F&action=init [22:30] not as good as the price I fluked [22:30] but not bad [22:30] I had a 35% off coupon >_< [22:30] chrismsnz: jealous! [22:30] mwhudson: that i7 is hyperthreaded [22:30] chrismsnz: got a coupon for me? [22:30] i ended up dumping nearly $4k on mine [22:31] looks like a nice laptop [22:31] (including base + on site warranty and some other bits) [22:31] though I tend to like laptops with bigger screens, rather than lighter models [22:31] The current coupon is "THINKDO", my coupon was "LASTCHANCE" and had something to do with the end of the tax year [22:32] >Save 30% on ThinkPad X220 laptops with eCoupon THINKDO* when your configuration is $3,400 or more [22:32] so I maxxed out an X220 and got $3k worth of laptop for about $2 [22:32] the more you spend the more you save! [22:32] mine was 33% on 2800 or over iirc [22:32] ssd and other tweaks can take you over that threshold lol [22:34] btw, if you get the WWAN card that's supported in ubuntu network manager out of the box also [22:34] I was very surprised to find that [22:34] (its not gobi) [22:34] oh interesting [22:34] well that is kinda shitty [22:34] you can't change the HDD for an SSD [22:34] uh [22:34] thumper: pick the middle one and it has further customisation [22:34] which option did you start with? [22:34] ok [22:35] lenovo's configurator is a bit less shitty than the industry average [22:35] Ericsson F5521gw is linux supported in-kernel [22:35] but still very bad [22:36] I had to add the ultrabase to put it over $3400 [22:36] but the price goes down to $2400 when you do lol [22:36] so it's essentially free [22:36] maxxing out everything gave me: [22:36] Web price: NZ$3,410.14 ex GST* [22:36] After eCoupon NZ$2,387.10 [22:37] Web price: NZ$4,330.84 ex GST* [22:37] After eCoupon NZ$3,031.59 [22:37] _b [22:37] why is mine more I wonder [22:37] warranty? [22:37] would be nice to be able to configure it without WIndows [22:38] ibeardslee: yeah... however you can burn recovery media so it's easy to sell it later with factory software load [22:38] ibeardslee: trying to sell my linux netbook (the 5102 i got from ascent via you) and it's a pita haha [22:38] no [22:38] why selling it? [22:39] ibeardslee: I have 3 laptops and a desktop now [22:39] ahh [22:39] older mbp, netbook, x220 and gaming pc [22:39] is it on trademe? [22:39] yep [22:39] link? [22:39] http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=391798120 [22:40] good deal! considering i bought it a year ago for $1100 [22:40] just won't sell though lol [22:41] pity the various open/free mailing lists won't allow for sale type mails [22:46] morning fun: http://i.imgur.com/Bjnba.jpg (SFW) [22:47] http://zareason.com/shop/Verix-2.html with 160gig SSD and 8gig ram only comes to 2082 USD [22:47] a little big, but full HD [22:47] oh, and a quad core i7 [22:47] plus how much shipping? [22:48] & then GST on top of that when you bring it in, I guess [22:48] I'm impressed that you can get it with 16GB of RAM though :) [22:49] yeah, you do get hit for GST [22:49] with the exchange rate now though, worth thinking about [22:49] They don't ship International anymore. [22:49] thumper: just register for gst already you lazy bum [22:49] mwhudson: but then I have to fill out those returns [22:50] so it'd mean getting it through a friend in the US & getting them to send it [22:50] * mwhudson likes his six-monthly payments from ird [22:50] mwhudson: how much do you get back? [22:50] surely it isn't that much [22:50] Depends how much you spend [22:50] thumper: don't you have an accountant? gst returns really aren't that bad [22:50] thumper: i rent an office in town, so it's quite a bit [22:50] ah... [22:50] I don't [22:51] my gst spending isn't worth the hastle [22:51] well, it's your money :) [22:51] mwhudson: are you freelance/contracting? [22:51] hah, you can get 16 gigs of ram in that verix [22:51] There is a cheats way around GST, use a freight forwarding company where you can fill out your own customs declaration. [22:52] chilts: for tax purposes, yes [22:52] heh [22:52] (but my only client is canonical and they treat me more like an employee than a contractor, but there's no canonical nz for me to be an employee of) [22:53] ah, I didn't realise ... I thought you guys were employees [22:53] so essentially you're contracting to an overseas firm? [22:53] chilts: we kinda are [22:53] yeah [22:53] right, I see [22:53] mwhudson: interesting! What do you do for canonical? [22:53] chrismsnz: linaro infrastructure bits [22:54] mwhudson: oh, nice :) [22:56] mwhudson: where is your office in town? do you have any spare desks whhich you might sometimes want to 'hire out'? [22:57] I'm currently contracting 5 days a week, but I expect that'll come down to 4 soon [22:57] chilts: i'm at the bizdojo [22:57] and may still keep coming into town for my 'day off' [22:57] bizdojo? I'll look it up [22:57] I had no idea that bizdojo existed [22:57] http://www.bizdojo.com/ I guess [22:58] yes [22:58] it's pretty new [22:58] I found another place like that a couple of months ago, it was up in the Terrace I think [22:58] chilts: altspace? [22:58] ay, that'll be the one [22:59] hmm, can't find prices though [23:00] mwhudson: mind if I pop in sometime and take a look around? I'd rather get shown it by someone else rather than the people who own it :) (if that's allowed) :) [23:00] chilts: sure, no problem [23:01] any particular time okay with you? I could do lunchtime or maybe later afternoon on Thursday? [23:01] (any lunchtime I should clarify) [23:02] any time is fine with me (with a little warning) [23:02] would you be around at about 5pm today? [23:03] yeah [23:03] cool, will see you around then then ... thanks :) [23:03] :) [23:06] is there a way to force firefox or chrome to apply an xml-stylesheet when looking at a local file? [23:06] when I put the file on a host and server through apache, it does [23:06] but not accessing the file directly [23:06] is it apache doing the transformation? [23:07] I wouldn't have thought so, probably the browser [23:07] but I don't know how (sorry) [23:07] does it link to the XSL from the XML (and if so, is the link correct)? [23:09] [23:09] it seems to be [23:09] the file is certainly there [23:13] Possibly the mimetype being sent [23:14] thumper: that trick only works with xsl 1.0, check the version [23:15] yeah, it is version 1.0 [23:15] it works fine over apache [23:15] but not locally [23:17] i've got an example on disk that works with : [23:18] I always use a preceeding [23:18] no idea whether that matters [23:18] hmm... if I add a symlink to /var/www and access through localhost, it works and applies the template [23:18] so best guess is the mime type being sent [23:19] :( [23:20] fooey [23:21] Hong Kong Fooey? [23:21] it seems it 'Phooey' :) [23:22] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_Phooey [23:22] heh, I'm on a bit of a random today [23:23] thumper: mime type or security [23:24] * thumper found xsltproc [23:26] thumper: if you know regexps, you may want to upgrade to saxon / xslt 2.0 to take advantage of them [23:26] nope [23:26] * thumper wants simple and easy, and 20 minute fix [23:33] to be honest, as soon as people say they are using XSLT, I suggest to use something else (Python, Perl, whatever) ... but I guess that's not an option here? [23:47] chilts: yeah, unless you're dealing with document-oriented stuff usually something else is better