| mrroth | is it possible to make ubuntu server in to a secondary domain controller in my Active directory forest | 00:32 |
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| mrroth | widnows 2008 | 00:32 |
| TenKTech | Im not aware of anything fully funtional but heres a link to something that could help https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/samba-dc.html | 00:39 |
| twb | For AD I believe you need Samba 4 | 00:44 |
| fluvvell | twb, have they fully released that yet? Or is it still in testing? | 01:14 |
| twb | I don't know | 01:14 |
| twb | They aren't in main/ as at lucid, which was enough for me to dismiss it | 01:15 |
| fluvvell | quentusrex, http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/raid/mdadm/ANNOUNCE | 01:37 |
| quentusrex | fluvvell, do you know of a unified annouce list or rss feed? | 01:38 |
| fluvvell | druciferre, which acls? Are you talking windows file shares or apache acls ? | 01:38 |
| druciferre | neither... I'm talking about the service from the package acl in ubuntu | 01:39 |
| druciferre | (i.e. sudo apt-get install acl) | 01:40 |
| druciferre | setfacl ... | 01:40 |
| fluvvell | quentusrex, slashdot has a lot of announcements - do you visit there? | 01:40 |
| quentusrex | fluvvell, I haven't ina while. | 01:40 |
| twb | druciferre: I think those are "posix acl"s | 01:46 |
| twb | Yes, they are | 01:46 |
| twb | ``Most of the Unix and Unix-like operating systems (e.g. Linux,^[1] BSD, or Solaris) support POSIX.1e ACLs, based on an early POSIX draft that was abandoned.'' | 01:47 |
| twb | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Access_control_list#Filesystem_ACLs | 01:47 |
| mrroth | okay thanks | 01:51 |
| druciferre | twb, i don't see anything in the article about whether the acl table is stored on the hard drive (i.e. if I put the hard drive in another system will it still see the acls?) | 01:51 |
| twb | druciferre: I don't see where else they could be stored. | 01:51 |
| druciferre | twb, I imagine they could be stored in /etc/ somewhere | 01:52 |
| twb | druciferre: I very much doubt that is the case, but ICBW | 01:52 |
| fluvvell | druciferre, I have acl installed, but have yet to find a package or piece of software that requires them or uses them | 02:13 |
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| lickalott | gents, trying to remove dhcp client (establishing static IP) and apt-get remove dhcp-client or dhcp-client3 aren't working | 04:03 |
| lickalott | any suggestions? | 04:03 |
| druciferre | lickalott, I eventually setup my router to provide dhcp and assign certain computers certain ips based on their mac's | 04:06 |
| lickalott | already done | 04:06 |
| druciferre | lickalott, then why are you removing dhcp ? | 04:07 |
| lickalott | i'm trying to figure out why i lose my znc every once in a while. | 04:07 |
| lickalott | sometimes, the whole thing, sometimes just a random user/bot | 04:07 |
| lickalott | starting at the network and working up | 04:07 |
| druciferre | I have never used a ZNC, so someone else may have to help in that regards. | 04:08 |
| qman__ | lickalott, dpkg -l | grep dhcp | 04:49 |
| mrroth | can I rsynch a mac OSX to a linux server | 04:58 |
| mrroth | anyone done this | 04:58 |
| twb | rsync(1) works on Linux. IIRC it historically had problems on OS X, but presumably these have since been fixed. | 04:59 |
| mrroth | and I would not then need to brother with time machine | 05:02 |
| twb | Well, time machine is probably smarter than a simple rsync | 05:04 |
| mrroth | but it does ntot do offsite | 05:05 |
| mrroth | so if something happen were the machine and the backup is located | 05:05 |
| greppy | time machine is closer to rsnapshot instead of just rsync. | 05:06 |
| mrroth | ahh | 05:06 |
| twb | Yep, although rsnapshot is really just "cp -al cur $(date -I)" + rsync | 05:07 |
| mrroth | ahh | 05:08 |
| mrroth | does it compress the files sent, or archive in a tar or just send it over | 05:08 |
| mrroth | mirror coppied | 05:08 |
| greppy | rsync should only send stuff that has changed | 05:08 |
| lickalott | qman__ just saw that. tks! | 05:09 |
| mrroth | for ubuntu server rspanshot is like time machine | 05:11 |
| twb | I thought time machine hooked into various syscalls | 05:12 |
| twb | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Time_Machine_(software)#How_it_works | 05:14 |
| twb | I'm wrong, time machine is literally just rsnapshot | 05:14 |
| twb | Of course, hard links themselves are implemented in a royally fucked up way on OS X -- inside the HFS+ filesystem driver | 05:15 |
| mrroth | oh that fucked up | 05:15 |
| mrroth | so time machine is just a nice front end GUI for rsnapshot | 05:15 |
| twb | mrroth: sure looks that way | 05:16 |
| twb | Well, and an API for apps to talk to it | 05:16 |
| mrroth | so I wonder why then I can't send my time machine offsite if rsnpshop can do offsite | 05:16 |
| twb | Also rsnapshot can use ssh or rsyncd protocols to be remote pull-based, whereas TM looks to be local only | 05:17 |
| mrroth | yea or to a time capulses backup | 05:17 |
| mrroth | and the media to backup to must be HFS | 05:17 |
| twb | mrroth: sorry, when I said "literally" I meant it's using the exact same technique -- it's not running rsnapshot code itself | 05:17 |
| twb | mrroth: HFS+ | 05:17 |
| twb | mrroth: HFS is not HFS+ | 05:17 |
| mrroth | oh and oh yea hfs+ | 05:17 |
| mrroth | yea hfs was used in mac classic HFS + is used now | 05:18 |
| mrroth | oh I see | 05:18 |
| twb | Apparently Time Machine can use AFP to another host on the LAN | 05:18 |
| twb | Obviously this is inferior to ssh, which doesn't care which network it's on, and further is encrypted over the wire. | 05:19 |
| mrroth | "Although it is unsupported and potentially corrupting the backups after a while, users and manufacturers have configured Linux servers and network-attached storage systems in a similar fashion and used them to store Time Machine backups. ahh | 05:21 |
| mrroth | hmm | 05:21 |
| mrroth | yea I wonder how OSX server gets backup maybe third party tools or rsnch | 05:22 |
| jmarsden | mrroth: http://8help.osu.edu/1247.html has some ideas... | 05:23 |
| mrroth | oh wow Backup, by Apple, is a program provided to .Mac users. It is a simple-to-use backup program that allows users to backup to their .Mac account, a second hard drive, | 05:24 |
| jmarsden | mrroth: Carbon Copy Cloner seems to be an rsync wrapper with some OSX-specific enhancements... I've not used it, but it might work for you if you know and like rsync. | 05:26 |
| mrroth | sweet | 05:27 |
| mrroth | I will check it out | 05:27 |
| jmarsden | If you want to do it the harder way, see http://www.bombich.com/rsync.html | 05:28 |
| mrroth | ahh I see | 05:29 |
| mrroth | thanks | 05:29 |
| twb | jmarsden: why not just ports/fink? | 05:35 |
| twb | I guess if it's not a dev box he might not already have ports set up... | 05:35 |
| jmarsden | I'm not sure, I think there is Mac specific metadata that the standard rsync port does not back up. | 05:35 |
| twb | jmarsden: resource forks, sure, but nobody uses them much anymore | 05:36 |
| twb | Ah, apparently there are some other things, I see | 05:36 |
| twb | Suck 80s-style vendor unix :-/ | 05:36 |
| twb | I never understood why people want to go back to the unix wars | 05:37 |
| jmarsden | I think I'd just say that if you are running an Apple-specific OS on Apple-specific server hardware, you probably should use an Apple-specific backup too. Why people pick Apple or WIndows etc is a *whole* different topic :) | 05:38 |
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| twb | jmarsden: granted | 05:39 |
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| cjs | I'm trying to declare a bridge without a "bridge_ports ethN" line; is this ok? With it, it worked ok, without it, the bridge is never created | 06:57 |
| cjs | Nobody has any thoughts on how to deal with that? | 06:58 |
| cjs | Ah, perhaps "bridge_ports none". | 07:01 |
| twb | Well, I'll show you what I have... | 07:04 |
| twb | Hm, apparently I always have bridge_ports | 07:05 |
| cjs | Yes. There's actually a separate manpage for that stuff, bridge-utils-interfaces(5). You must have a bridge_ports for the bridge to be created, but you can use "none" to have it created without initially being attached to any interfaces. | 07:06 |
| cjs | Learn something new every day. Particularly when it's a new hidden manpage. :-) | 07:06 |
| twb | cjs: hum, I attach it but don't assign an IP | 07:07 |
| twb | IOW you can reach the VMs bridged to it, but not the VM server itself | 07:07 |
| cjs | That's quite normal. No need for an IP, really, unless you want the host running the bridge to talk on that network. | 07:08 |
| cjs | If you want to reach the VM server itself, just assign an IP on that network to the bridge device. | 07:08 |
| cjs | (A common mistake is instead to assign it to one of the interfaces connected to the bridge.) | 07:08 |
| twb | OK, sorry, I'm used to dealing with stupid people :-) | 07:09 |
| jussi | twb: aww, you shouldnt call me that :P | 07:09 |
| cjs | Probably just ignorant. Not everybody has a couple of decades of network administration under his belt. :-) | 07:09 |
| maxagaz | hi | 08:10 |
| tiger2wander | hi there | 09:12 |
| tiger2wander | I've got error when apache2's virtualhost config larger than 1024 | 09:12 |
| tiger2wander | Error: fcgi: socket file descriptor (2975) is larger than FD_SETSIZE (1024), you probably need to rebuild Apache with a larger FD_SETSIZE | 09:13 |
| tiger2wander | I have re-build apache with all FD_SETSIZE variable set to higher that value but still got that problem :( | 09:13 |
| tiger2wander | please help me to solve this! | 09:14 |
| aliverius_ | does this apply for ubuntu server too? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware/Server | 09:14 |
| tiger2wander | anyone? | 09:14 |
| remix_tj | aliverius_: do you think that ubuntu server is different from ubuntu desktop? | 09:16 |
| aliverius_ | not that much... my worries are more abuot running it headless | 09:17 |
| aliverius_ | anyway i will take that as a yes | 09:17 |
| remix_tj | is a yes, you can. VMWare Server works as a service, does not need GUI, it exposes a web interface | 09:18 |
| aliverius_ | great :) | 09:19 |
| aliverius_ | i was using kvm so far | 09:19 |
| aliverius_ | all was good | 09:19 |
| aliverius_ | till i changed to an atom board | 09:19 |
| _ruben | vmware server is eol though | 09:19 |
| aliverius_ | i didnt know it doesnt support h/w virt | 09:19 |
| _ruben | hope you're not planning on doing serious virtualiation without h/w virt | 09:20 |
| aliverius_ | so now i am constranained to vmware-server | 09:20 |
| aliverius_ | _ruben: a router | 09:23 |
| aliverius_ | and it fails to install too | 09:26 |
| aliverius_ | so far | 09:26 |
| * aliverius_ misses kvm | 09:26 | |
| aliverius_ | i should buy a second mobo to play the router role | 09:36 |
| arnoud | Hello, I'm trying to install an LDAP client on Ubuntu 11.04 and I can't get it to work. Is this the right place to ask questions about it? | 09:39 |
| maxagaz | hi, I have incoming ip packets from an ip x.x.x.x that I would like to give a low priority, can someone tell me how to do it ? | 09:42 |
| _ruben | aliverius_: why do you even need a seperate instance for the router role? | 10:05 |
| _ruben | maxagaz: define "low priority" | 10:05 |
| maxagaz | _ruben, I'm sure how it works, I guess all incoming ip packets have a same priority in the queue, I would like packets from a given ip to have a lower priority, so that they are processed after others | 10:08 |
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| Daviey | Anyone fancy tackling the nut merge? bug #811976 .. doesn't look too complex. | 11:31 |
| uvirtbot` | Launchpad bug 811976 in nut "Please merge nut 2.6.1-2 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/811976 | 11:31 |
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| danners | hey i want to move one installation of a server to another system with all of the data and serverconfiguration should be the same. how would i do it? | 11:33 |
| Daviey | danners: take the hd's out and swap them over. :) | 11:33 |
| danners | Daviey: the old one is a vm | 11:33 |
| Daviey | danners: rsync or !clone (and copy /etc.) | 11:34 |
| Daviey | !clone | danners | 11:34 |
| ubottu | danners: To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « aptitude --display-format '%p' search '?installed!?automatic' > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < my-packages ; sudo aptitude install » - See also !automate | 11:34 |
| danners | Daviey: rsync shouldn't destroy the package index and also copy the configuration right? | 11:35 |
| Daviey | danners: correct. | 11:37 |
| danners | Daviey: thanks will try that | 11:37 |
| maxagaz | I have ethernet camera with an ip that I don't know, how can I find it if I plug it to a laptop ? | 11:51 |
| quentusrex | maxagaz, do you have any guesses? | 12:13 |
| maxagaz | quentusrex, use nmap ? | 12:16 |
| quentusrex | maxagaz, I mean do you have any guesses what the ip or subnet would be. | 12:17 |
| quentusrex | yes, using nmap would be probably one of the better options. | 12:17 |
| maxagaz | quentusrex, no, I have no clue | 12:17 |
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| quentusrex | maxagaz, best I could say would be to try the common ones. | 12:20 |
| maxagaz | quentusrex, okay, thanks | 12:20 |
| quentusrex | maxagaz, you might also be able to reset the camera to factory to defaults | 12:21 |
| quentusrex | this might set the ip back to the default. | 12:21 |
| maxagaz | quentusrex, you're right, that's what I should do | 12:22 |
| quentusrex | it might be fun to learn how to locate that needle in the haystack, but the faster route would be to reset it. | 12:22 |
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| CrazyGir | hello! I'm trying to build nginx from source, but am having a difficult time specifying the library/header paths correctly | 12:38 |
| CrazyGir | nginx wants to see pcre and ssl libraries, so I have both libpcre3-dev and libssl-dev | 12:38 |
| CrazyGir | but I can't quite determine the correct paths | 12:38 |
| * CrazyGir is all set | 13:43 | |
| CrazyGir | nginx is smart enough to figure it out itself :) | 13:43 |
| uvirtbot` | New bug: #812131 in mysql-5.1 (main) "operation="mknod" profile="/usr/sbin/mysqld" denied_mask="c"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/812131 | 14:05 |
| RoAkSoAx | jamespage: what were the packages that you wanted me to sponsor? | 14:07 |
| jamespage | hey RoAkSoAx | 14:07 |
| jamespage | lp:~hudson-ubuntu/+junk/maven-stapler-plugin | 14:07 |
| jamespage | and lp:~hudson-ubuntu/+junk/stapler-adjunct-timeline | 14:08 |
| RoAkSoAx | jamespage: build agains ppa:hudson-ubuntu/ppa? | 14:08 |
| jamespage | use ppa:james-page/jenkins-upload-testing | 14:08 |
| RoAkSoAx | jamespage: ok cool, ;) | 14:10 |
| jamespage | RoAkSoAx: thanks - home straight now with Jenkins :-) | 14:11 |
| RoAkSoAx | jamespage: hehe | 14:17 |
| Ursinha | lynxman: http://9gag.com/gag/170426 | 14:18 |
| kpettit | I have a CIFS share mounted in /etc/fstab. That share goes down periodically for maintenance so I need to figure out how to auto remount the share when it's dropped. Any ideas? | 14:24 |
| pmatulis | kpettit: cron job? | 14:25 |
| kpettit | that was going to be my plan B. I was hoping there is something that automatically does it, but I guess not? | 14:26 |
| pmatulis | kpettit: well, something has to probe that that specific share is available. don't know how it can be done automagically. | 14:28 |
| pmatulis | kpettit: cron can be as simple as issueing 'mount -a' maybe | 14:29 |
| kpettit | worth a try. | 14:29 |
| kpettit | Thanks for the suggestion | 14:30 |
| pmatulis | kpettit: just so long as the cifs share is set 'auto' (for mount -a to work) | 14:30 |
| kpettit | got ya. Doing some testing now. | 14:31 |
| lynxman | Ursinha: lol! | 14:38 |
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| uvirtbot` | New bug: #812367 in bind9 (main) "package bind9 1:9.7.0.dfsg.P1-1ubuntu0.3 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/812367 | 15:51 |
| uvirtbot` | New bug: #812423 in mysql-5.1 (main) "mysql upstart job hangs if database directory not mounted" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/812423 | 17:26 |
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| ChmEarl | In `update-rc.d xend defaults SS KK` where do the SS|KK values come from? somewhere in /var/lib? | 18:57 |
| ChmEarl | the suggested values | 18:58 |
| Merrioc | Question: during a pxeboot preseed install, the install is creating the md raids as md/0 and md/1 but grub is trying to install to md0 and is erroring out | 19:08 |
| RoAkSoAx | jamespage: ping | 19:19 |
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| alaing | how do i chmod 777 all folders + files in a directory? | 20:13 |
| greentea- | best way to install packages from a newer release of ubuntu server into a older release | 20:14 |
| greentea- | like say 11.xx onto 10.04LTS | 20:14 |
| greentea- | just download the packages or is there a trick with apt-get? | 20:15 |
| jamespage | RoAkSoAx: pong | 20:15 |
| ikonia | greentea-: do'nt do it | 20:16 |
| ikonia | greentea-: it is a terrible idea | 20:17 |
| greentea- | doesn't matter | 20:17 |
| greentea- | I need a newer release of nut-ups | 20:17 |
| Pici | I don't see that package in the Ubuntu repositories. | 20:18 |
| greentea- | might just be called nut | 20:18 |
| greentea- | anyways 10.04lts has 2.4.3? and I want 2.5 or whatever it's up to now because they fixed some brain damagve | 20:18 |
| ikonia | you can't mix software from different versions | 20:18 |
| greentea- | so wtf do I know then is what I am asking | 20:19 |
| greentea- | compiling it is not really an option | 20:19 |
| ikonia | you can control your language please | 20:19 |
| greentea- | never :P | 20:19 |
| ikonia | greentea-: then leave the channel | 20:19 |
| greentea- | I was joking, calm down :P | 20:19 |
| patdk-wk | greentea, what are you? 10? | 20:20 |
| greentea- | 37 | 20:20 |
| greentea- | I can't even control my lang in real life anymore | 20:20 |
| greentea- | mind is going, oh well | 20:20 |
| ikonia | greentea-: if you mix software packages from different distros you'll find it will mess up your dependencies and cause issues | 20:20 |
| greentea- | ikonia: that's why I am here | 20:20 |
| greentea- | and why I asked what's the best way | 20:20 |
| greentea- | I only need the nut package | 20:20 |
| ikonia | greentea-: the best way it so package the software for your version | 20:20 |
| greentea- | it's a c3 diskless | 20:21 |
| ikonia | greentea-: linked and built against the library versions on your system | 20:21 |
| greentea- | compiling it is NOT going to happen | 20:21 |
| ikonia | greentea-: you can log a wishlist/update on launchpad.net | 20:21 |
| greentea- | unless I setup a buildhost vm somewhere | 20:21 |
| ikonia | someone else may do the update for you | 20:21 |
| Pici | You might be able to find a PPA for it, but you should be aware of what a PPA is and what it provides. | 20:21 |
| greentea- | I can setup a buildhost somewhere I guess | 20:21 |
| patdk-wk | buildhosts are pointless, use launchpad's ppa | 20:21 |
| greentea- | whoa | 20:22 |
| greentea- | this is cool | 20:22 |
| greentea- | I was going to have a buildhost though anyways | 20:22 |
| greentea- | for compiling coreboot, openwrt, and some other stuff | 20:22 |
| patdk-wk | my buildhost is just the place I store all my patchs :) | 20:23 |
| Pici | !ppa | 20:23 |
| ubottu | A Personal Package Archive (PPA) can provide alternate software not normally available in the offical Ubuntu repositories - Looking for a PPA? See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and you use them at your own risk. See also !addppa | 20:23 |
| greentea- | this is a vm so I am not wasting any resources other than disk space | 20:23 |
| Pici | (just for the warning) | 20:23 |
| greentea- | Pici: I am not that worried about it | 20:23 |
| greentea- | basically this embedded box monitors a ups | 20:24 |
| RoAkSoAx | jamespage: packages uploaded | 20:24 |
| greentea- | then logs into a bunch of vmware hosts and runs vm and host shutdown scripts | 20:24 |
| greentea- | followed by shutting down the nas's and san's | 20:24 |
| greentea- | only package going to be non-standard would be nut-ups | 20:24 |
| greentea- | everything else is staying stock | 20:24 |
| Pici | greentea-: thats fine, just needed to say it :) | 20:24 |
| kpettit | What's the best search app for Ubuntu? I've got about 8TB and slocate isn't doing it for me. | 20:25 |
| greentea- | how would I find out if someone has already made a nut deb for 10.04lts | 20:26 |
| greentea- | man I used to know this stuff, damn head | 20:26 |
| patdk-wk | kpettit, heh, I always use find :) | 20:26 |
| kpettit | I shudder to think of that on a 8TB system. | 20:27 |
| patdk-wk | find good on mine | 20:27 |
| patdk-wk | but the average file is 10gb | 20:27 |
| patdk-wk | doing that on a 8tb mailstore though :) | 20:27 |
| kpettit | wow, how long does it take you to do a find on that? | 20:28 |
| jamespage | RoAkSoAx: thankyou! | 20:28 |
| kpettit | I'm mainly trying to do stuff like "locate *.xslt" trying to find files I forgot about, etc. | 20:28 |
| RoyK | patdk-wk: striped mirrors? | 20:28 |
| patdk-wk | royk, currently, concat :) | 20:29 |
| RoyK | erm, no redundancy? | 20:29 |
| patdk-wk | nope | 20:29 |
| RoyK | playing with matches and petrol... | 20:29 |
| patdk-wk | it's only 8 drives, what's the chances :) | 20:30 |
| RoyK | about 100% chance of failure within 6-12 months :P | 20:30 |
| patdk-wk | damn, I'm on like year 4 | 20:31 |
| patdk-wk | I do change out the drive the first signs of issues | 20:31 |
| patdk-wk | hopefully I'll get my replacements in sept, and I can start on the raid6 | 20:31 |
| RoyK | it's quite usual the first sign of failure for a drive is a dead drive | 20:32 |
| * kpettit uses a Drobo | 20:32 | |
| * RoyK uses ZFS | 20:32 | |
| patdk-wk | royk, never had that, normally I notice slowdowns and delays long before it goes dead | 20:32 |
| patdk-wk | I only scared of the disk to stop spinning | 20:32 |
| RoyK | patdk-wk: that happens too, yes | 20:32 |
| patdk-wk | but I don't think I have ever had that issue since my FH ibm 10meg drives | 20:33 |
| RoyK | patdk-wk: but a drive losing a head is also quite common | 20:33 |
| patdk-wk | never had that :( | 20:33 |
| RoyK | just saying it happens | 20:33 |
| patdk-wk | ya | 20:33 |
| patdk-wk | my worst is when drives just won't spin at all | 20:34 |
| RoyK | so rather use raid[56] or striped mirrors, the latter for performance | 20:34 |
| patdk-wk | only ever had that happen on raid systems so far | 20:34 |
| RoyK | random i/o performance on raid[56] isn't very good | 20:34 |
| patdk-wk | well, 90% of this data is replaceable anyways :) | 20:34 |
| patdk-wk | it's basically just online storage for all the damned dvd's and cd's I have | 20:34 |
| RoyK | then my only question is: how long will it take to rip all those CDs and DVDs if one drive fails now? ;) | 20:35 |
| patdk-wk | well, just what was missing on that one drive :) | 20:36 |
| patdk-wk | not all the drives | 20:36 |
| patdk-wk | if it was striped, ya it would be hell | 20:36 |
| greentea- | i'm going to try mixing packages and if it blows up | 20:36 |
| greentea- | oh well | 20:36 |
| greentea- | temp box anyways | 20:36 |
| patdk-wk | greentea-, without rebuilding the package? | 20:37 |
| patdk-wk | I would be suprised if it installed, due to missing deps | 20:37 |
| greentea- | i'm seeing if i can meet the dependencies | 20:37 |
| greentea- | oh wait | 20:38 |
| greentea- | that's true | 20:38 |
| greentea- | if I have a source package then I can just do a rebuild right? | 20:38 |
| * RoyK setup a home server for his brother a couple of months back, two 2TB drives in RAID-5, and then added a new drive a few weeks ago - it took perhaps 12 hours to rebuild the raid, but no downtime :) | 20:38 | |
| greentea- | I don't have to figure out how to make my own tree etc | 20:38 |
| patdk-wk | yep | 20:38 |
| patdk-wk | apt-get source nut-ups | 20:38 |
| greentea- | ok that works :) | 20:38 |
| patdk-wk | apt-get build-dep nut-ups | 20:38 |
| patdk-wk | dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc | 20:39 |
| greentea- | I need to get the .src file first right? | 20:39 |
| patdk-wk | nope | 20:39 |
| patdk-wk | atleast not if it's in apt | 20:39 |
| patdk-wk | I normally just modify my sources.list to get it | 20:39 |
| greentea- | is there a way to list what version that will pull down | 20:40 |
| greentea- | or specifiy it | 20:40 |
| RoyK | patdk-wk: iirc the 'correct' way is to add a new file in /etc/apt/sources.d | 20:40 |
| patdk-wk | royk still not good | 20:40 |
| patdk-wk | I wish I could just do dep-src ..., and apt-get source would get it | 20:41 |
| patdk-wk | but it won't | 20:41 |
| patdk-wk | it will only get the source to the binary version it finds | 20:41 |
| greentea- | yeah which is the old one | 20:41 |
| patdk-wk | so I find it easier to just do a search/replace of sources.list get it, and then change it back | 20:41 |
| RoyK | patdk-wk: the debian/ directory is the key - just copy that to the new source tree | 20:41 |
| greentea- | patdk-wk: you mean change the sources to like 11 | 20:42 |
| greentea- | fetch the file | 20:42 |
| greentea- | then swap it back | 20:42 |
| patdk-wk | yep | 20:42 |
| greentea- | I thought about that, wasn't sure how well that would work | 20:42 |
| uvirtbot` | New bug: #812539 in cloud-init (main) "FQDN does not get set correctly in /etc/hosts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/812539 | 20:42 |
| patdk-wk | just make sure you apt-get update after each change | 20:42 |
| greentea- | yeah I knew that | 20:42 |
| greentea- | :P | 20:42 |
| patdk-wk | well, for apt-get source it's fine | 20:42 |
| patdk-wk | for apt-get install, results will vary :) | 20:43 |
| greentea- | i'lll setup a buildhost vm tonight then, thx | 20:43 |
| uvirtbot` | New bug: #812548 in nova (universe) "bridge not set up correctly with LXC and all-in-one system" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/812548 | 21:02 |
| Kazilla | whats wrong with locate, it works pretty well, faster then windows index dare i say | 21:05 |
| maxagaz | hi | 21:06 |
| uvirtbot` | New bug: #812553 in nova (universe) "LXC instance fails to start" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/812553 | 21:06 |
| smoser | lynxman, bug 812539 | 21:09 |
| uvirtbot` | Launchpad bug 812539 in cloud-init "FQDN does not get set correctly in /etc/hosts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/812539 | 21:09 |
| andygraybeal | hey guys, i'm trying to get the nagios-libvirt package to compile on my box. it says that i need the 'libvirt library' -- i have it installed. here is the package that i'm referring to: http://people.redhat.com/~rjones/nagios-virt/ has anyone else experienced this? | 21:09 |
| andygraybeal | or tried to install this nagios plugin? | 21:09 |
| lynxman | smoser: oh man... :/ | 21:10 |
| lynxman | smoser: let me have a look, I don't setup the FQDN afaik | 21:10 |
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| lynxman | smoser: adam_g already provided a patch looks like, although according to the manual 127.0.1.1 should be setup as I did | 21:11 |
| lynxman | adam_g: don't you agree? :) | 21:11 |
| smoser | yeah. | 21:11 |
| smoser | we need to set things up as debian says | 21:11 |
| smoser | not how lynxman or adam_g say | 21:11 |
| lynxman | smoser: +1 on you sir | 21:12 |
| smoser | and also have to deal with eucalyptus (or other cloud providers) where local-hostname might not be set up | 21:12 |
| smoser | (in eucalyptus local-hostname is some bogus value) | 21:12 |
| smoser | (ip address) | 21:12 |
| adam_g | so what is the conensus? | 21:12 |
| lynxman | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch05.en.html in 5.1.2 | 21:12 |
| lynxman | adam_g: I think neither you or me | 21:12 |
| adam_g | ok | 21:13 |
| smoser | i'll let you all sort it out | 21:13 |
| smoser | and please update bug | 21:13 |
| smoser | i have to go now. | 21:13 |
| lynxman | adam_g: your patch looks good though, it just needs to have the fallback scenario | 21:13 |
| lynxman | smoser: have fun ;) | 21:13 |
| adam_g | lynxman: well if what ive done violates debian spec, lets change that | 21:13 |
| lynxman | adam_g: it just does in that it doesn't fall back if there's no FQDN, whereas I just hardcoded the fallback | 21:14 |
| adam_g | oh, one sec. let me actually read the spec :) | 21:14 |
| lynxman | adam_g: sure | 21:14 |
| bencc | is there a limit to files I can put under one folder? | 22:03 |
| bencc | I want to cache 50K avatars, do I need sub folders? | 22:03 |
| Kazilla | bencc: i'm very certain that you can do that | 22:23 |
| SpamapS | bencc: not really a limit.. but.. it will slow down for certain operations. | 22:23 |
| SpamapS | bencc: you may be better served by using hashed directories above the dir you have the files in. | 22:24 |
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| bencc | SpamapS: hashed directories? | 22:26 |
| bencc | how can I find out what file system I have now? ext3 or ext4 | 22:26 |
| Kazilla | if you can fit 50k worth of html elements in your web browser everyday, i'm pretty sure you can fit 50k with of files.. | 22:26 |
| utlemming | bencc: blkid | 22:27 |
| SpamapS | bencc: if you put 50,000 files in a directory, you will cause a lot of random I/O reading them. If you break it up into 10 dirs of 5,000 files each, the I/O will be less random. | 22:27 |
| SpamapS | bencc: ext3 performs similarly | 22:27 |
| Kazilla | if you're browsing it sure, might cause i/o | 22:28 |
| Kazilla | but for hosted files, where they know where to look for, less so. | 22:29 |
| SpamapS | Kazilla: inodes are a single FS block each, so thats 50,000 * block size, which is usually 4k, so thats 195MB of inodes.. | 22:29 |
| SpamapS | yeah single lookups are pretty fast | 22:30 |
| SpamapS | thanks to the index support | 22:30 |
| bencc | how do I use blkid to know the file system? | 22:30 |
| SpamapS | bencc: just do 'mount' | 22:30 |
| SpamapS | that tells you the fs | 22:30 |
| SpamapS | of all mounted filesystems | 22:30 |
| bencc | ok, ext3 | 22:31 |
| RoyK | SpamapS: with dir_index, 50k files may work well, but then, with 250k files, it's still dead slow | 22:32 |
| Kazilla | is this why facebook use haystack | 22:32 |
| * RoyK just discovered a 250k file folder | 22:32 | |
| Kazilla | just chucking that in there | 22:32 |
| bencc | something like mongodb gridfs is nice | 22:32 |
| bencc | but there is no good server plugin for serving files | 22:33 |
| SpamapS | RoyK: I would expect an index that works well w/ 50k to work well with 250k ... whats the trouble? | 22:35 |
| SpamapS | RoyK: Is it not just a b-tree? | 22:35 |
| SpamapS | bencc: mapping urls to Key/Value stores is pretty trivial... | 22:36 |
| Kazilla | whats the optimum way to serve a web application anyway? if you're running a cluster. central storage? distributed storage? | 22:37 |
| Kazilla | well web applications shall i say | 22:37 |
| Kazilla | anyone know where is the best place to talk about web infrastructures? | 22:40 |
| SuperMiguel | if i want to run fluxbox on ubuntu, and dont want all the crap that comes with the desktop edition, is there a reason not to install the server version? | 22:54 |
| ChmEarl | SuperMiguel, don't install server unless you are OK with typing in terminal | 23:23 |
| Ethos | is there anything better to view disk io than iotop? | 23:34 |
| Ethos | my linode is saying it's high, but iotop is minimal | 23:34 |
| StevenR | Ethos: dstat maybe. | 23:35 |
| Ethos | thanks | 23:35 |
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