[07:34] <dpm> good morning all
[07:35] <andrejz> morning dpm
[07:40] <dpm> hey andrejz :)
[07:41] <andrejz> i was wondering if langpack for 11.10 are already being generated
[07:43] <artnay> what's the deal with gnome-panel? it's totally without translations. previously it was called gnome-panel-20 and was translated 100-percently
[07:44] <artnay> the same applies to okular which has been divided into several parts - none of them have translations at the moment
[07:45] <artnay> and I'd suggest to promote lightdm and deja-dup, they're somewhat hidden now (1351 -> 1425 of 1444 results) as they're on the same page as e.g. subversion and rpm
[07:48] <artnay> and is there a way (maybe some url change to this page: https://translations.launchpad.net/translations/+products-with-translations ) to list the most recent translatable projects on launchpad?
[07:48] <andrejz> @artnay: i think the problem with okular is that one template has been split into several parts, and i don't know how message sharing works with that
[07:48] <andrejz> maybe dpm can tell you more
[07:49] <andrejz> as for pririty of lightdm the template has been just recenlty imported and nobody has increased it's visibility
[07:49] <andrejz> i will do that right away
[07:49] <artnay> andrejz: looks like it but it's not ok to lose all translated strings
[07:49] <artnay> andrejz: great, I thought you would do it ;)
[07:50] <andrejz> @artnay: i agree it's not ok to lose strings :), just don't know how the system works in that case.
[07:51] <artnay> andrejz: do you have any idea about the most recent projects?
[07:52] <artnay> LP is in a need of better sorting
[07:52] <dpm> artnay, andrejz is correct with okular: upstream changed the source package structure and we needed to change it in LP too. I sorted out last week: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/okular/+imports so the next oneiric language pack will contain the translations. Btw, no strings are lost
[07:52] <artnay> there's probably a bug somewhere
[07:52] <artnay> dpm: good to hear
[07:53] <artnay> dpm: can you shine some light on gnome-panel? won't it be depreciated for new oneiric installs?
[07:53] <andrejz> @artnay: just increased priority of lightdm and decreased priority for gdm
[07:53] <dpm> thanks andrejz
[07:54] <dpm> artnay, not sure what happens with gnome-panel. Let me check...
[07:54] <artnay> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/gnome-panel/+pots/gnome-panel/
[07:55] <andrejz> as far as gnome-panel is concerned a new package name is present gnome-panel-3 instead of gnome-panel-2 before
[07:55] <andrejz> i think that's the problem
[07:56] <artnay> andrejz: true the content is almost the same as before
[07:56] <artnay> but...
[07:57] <artnay> maybe that package should be promoted as well, don't you think?
[07:58] <andrejz> yes i will. i manually imported the file a couple of days ago, but forgot to increase the priority :(. Good to have you to remind of those slips :)
[07:58] <artnay> andrejz: and duplicity as well. I think deja-dup takes messages from duplicity
[07:58] <andrejz> ok
[07:59] <artnay> well, not sure about duplicity, it's a backend after all
[07:59] <dpm> andrejz, I think the problem is that the gnome-panel-2.0 template was disabled and the gnome-panel-3.0 (as gnome-panel) was accepted, and we should have rather renamed gnome-panel-2.0 to gnome-panel
[08:00] <andrejz> but gnome-panel-2.0 isn't going to be used anymore, correct?
[08:00] <dpm> no, but it contains lots of messages and translations that presumably need to be carried out to gnome-panel-3.0
[08:00] <artnay> gnome-panel contains all those shell strings. maybe those could be merged into the gnome-panel-2.0
[08:02] <andrejz> oh, i see where the problem is
[08:02] <andrejz> basically template gnome-panel-3.0 should be renamed to gnome-panel-2.0 to use the existing translations
[08:03] <andrejz> so probably the name should be changed in natty to gnome-panel ?
[08:05] <artnay> andrejz: why in natty? it doesn't exist there, does it?
[08:05] <andrejz> @artnay: if you want to use message sharing (transfer translations from one ubuntu version to the other), packages need to have the same template name
[08:05] <artnay> and plain renaming won't do it, gnome-panel contains gnome3/shell additions to gnome-panel-2.0
[08:05] <artnay> andrejz: ah, ok
[08:06] <andrejz> so if you have evoluton in natty and evolution in oneiric translations are automatically synced
[08:06] <artnay> true, true
[08:06] <andrejz> but in this case gnome-panel in named "gnome-panel-2.0" and we cannot name it that way in 11.10 cause that would be incorrect (since we are shipping gnome-panel-3.0")
[08:07] <andrejz> so (dpm can you confirm this) the best way is to change the template name from "gnome-panel-2.0" to "gnome-panel" in all supported ubuntu versions, which still share messages amongst themselves
[08:08] <dpm> andrejz, correct. I've changed the name of gnome-panel-2.0 to gnome-panel in oneiric (and the path to po/gnome-panel-3.0). I'll now change the names in previous releases
[08:09] <andrejz> wii, i knew the correct answer, thanks for the report artnay :)
[08:12] <andrejz> @artnay: there has been a lot of gnome-2.0, -3.0 template changing in this cycle, some packages already have names 3.2 :)
[08:36] <artnay> dpm: one question remains. is there a way to list the most recent translatable projects on LP?
[08:37] <dpm> artnay, I don't know (my hunch is that there isn't). I'd recommend asking on #launchpad, where they'll be able to tell you in more detail
[11:39] <artnay> dpm: there isn't but I created bug #812243
[11:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 812243 in launchpad "Allow translatable projects to be sorted in more versatile ways (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/812243
[11:40] <dpm> ah, thanks artnay
[11:40] <artnay> if you guys have more filtering/sorting needs, feel free to add them
[11:41] <dpm> I've subscribed to it for now