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HazRPGhmm, anyone know why banshee would show up twice in the sound indicator?02:12
HazRPGSee image for what I mean: http://i56.tinypic.com/t65np2.png02:15
HazRPGtrying to work out how to get rid of one of them02:15
HazRPGI'll point out, I had banshee 1.8.1 (maverick)... and then used the PPA  to install banshee 2.0.102:16
siyahmmm, not that convinced by gnome3 yet02:38
siyaless of a learning curve than unity though :)02:38
siyaI seem to have lost my dropbox notifier...02:39
siyaLoving AWN though02:39
MooDoomorning06:48
AlanBellmorning06:49
MooDoogood weekend AlanBell [as it appears we're the only ones up] :)07:01
daubersMorning07:15
TheOpenSourcerermorning all07:24
diplomorning all08:09
MooDoomorning diplo :) it's another quiet one :D08:11
MooDooTheOpenSourcerer, perhaps this will help your son ?  - http://artlinux.wetpaint.com/08:18
TheOpenSourcererthanks MooDoo08:18
MooDoosorry for the tweet too :)08:18
MooDoolol08:18
oimonbtw how do you get blog posts onto ubuntu planet?08:20
MooDoooimon, edit the wiki with your details08:21
MooDooer ubuntu or ubuntu - uk?08:21
MooDoooimon, if it's the uk one, edit this and then wait - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ubuntu-uk.org/planet/08:21
oimonis the UK one well read?08:22
MooDoooimon, i think so, i get lots of hits to my site when a post appears on it.08:22
MooDooany exposure helps :)08:22
oimonah i'm not an ubuntu member :S08:23
MooDoofor the ubuntu-uk planet you don't need to be08:23
MooDooi'm not either08:23
* oimon checks08:23
MooDoofor the planet.uibuntulinux.org site you do08:23
oimonsweet, thanks for the info08:24
MooDooyw!08:24
bigcalmMorning peeps08:27
MooDoomorning08:29
wintellecto/08:29
MooDoo:D08:29
madfishlo08:32
DJonesMorning all08:34
* MooDoo is being really picky about the last ubuntu community week trading card......oooops :D08:38
MooDoohttp://randall.executiv.es/ucw_oneiric_18 are the flags locational or nationality :D - http://randall.executiv.es/ucw_oneiric_18  ok ok i'll shut up08:38
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AlanBellMooDoo: it is all about balance08:50
MooDooAlanBell, work and play you mean?08:50
AlanBellhttp://randall.executiv.es/ucw_oneiric_1108:51
AlanBellflags08:51
MooDooah08:51
AlanBelltbh, the bigger issue is where the heck am I from? http://randall.executiv.es/ucw_oneiric_1308:51
MooDoopmsl08:52
MooDooAlanBell, it's the county flag of surrey08:53
AlanBellhttp://www.flagandbuntingstore.co.uk/acatalog/Surrey_Flag.html08:53
AlanBellyup, just found it myself08:53
MooDoo:)08:53
MooDoohttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Flags_with_keys08:53
bigcalmAlanBell: are you looking at everybody's chests?08:54
* bigcalm feels violated08:54
MooDoobigcalm, where did that come from? lol08:54
bigcalmMooDoo: follow his eyes08:56
bigcalmRight, time for physio08:56
bigcalmLaters08:56
MooDooah08:57
AlanBellbigcalm: popey said that too08:57
MooDoooh i get you now lol ha ha ha ha08:59
AlanBellhmm, guess I should change that picture then09:03
AlanBellcan't see it myself, looks like I am looking at the camera to me09:03
MooDoo:D09:04
AlanBellfrom Google+ when I changed my profile photo09:06
AlanBellAlan Pope - Just a bit. It just appeared at the top of my stream. And you appear to be looking just below my chin!. Are you looking at my tits!?09:06
AlanBellAlan Bell - yes, but not in admiration :)09:06
JGJonessoring out over 100GB of duplicated photos is not fun....09:06
oimondoesn't one of the apps find duplicates?09:06
MooDooJGJones, good luck, have fun, i had the same issue with 47GB so all i can say is ouch09:07
oimoncan't remember which one now09:07
JGJonesoimon, yeah I just found that geeqie does that09:07
MooDoodoesn't shotwell?  i can't remember09:07
oimonone of the mainstream ones does09:07
JGJonesoimon, however I sort photos into year/month folders etc.09:07
krimzon2oh, I could use something to find resized duplicate photos09:07
oimonhttp://askubuntu.com/questions/4072/how-can-i-find-duplicate-photos09:08
JGJonesMooDoo - screwed up with rapid photo downloader - I love it, but I misconfigured it.09:08
MooDoooh dear09:08
JGJoneskrimzon2, try geeqie - it can search for duplicates based on similairity and give you a % on how similar two pictures are09:08
krimzon2i'll try that09:09
JGJoneswould searching for duplicates using checksum be the best method? (just checking!)09:09
JGJonesMooDoo, I have no idea if Shotwell can do it, I don't use it - too damn slow for me.09:11
Myrttitrimtrees.pl09:11
MooDooJGJones, really?  seems ok to me what do you use instead?09:12
JGJonesfor usual use - I use picasa09:12
JGJonesbut for duplicates I'm using geeqie09:12
JGJonesMooDoo - my problem with shotwell is that when I start it up, it'll like to scan my library (I assume for thumbnails) - well over an hour later....09:13
MooDooi use picassa for backing them up to my google account09:13
MooDooJGJones, strange, maybe it's coz i've only got 40gb09:14
Myrttiflickr ♥09:14
JGJoneswhereas picasa - load it, all pictures is there and ready, instantly09:14
JGJonesMooDoo, Mine's all in canon RAW - are yours in RAW format? or jpg?09:14
MooDooJGJones, a mixture of the two, so that's probably why, i used jpg until i saw the light :)09:15
popeyMorning ratfans!09:15
* MooDoo changes his nick to Error09:16
* MooDoo changes his nick to Errol09:16
MooDoo:)09:16
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MooDoooh yeah morning popey :)09:20
JGJonesfreed up 22GB so far...and ubuntu's behaving better as a result...09:21
AlanBellnever really got into photos myself09:22
Neoti_Laptophi there , i want to use the following case with xbmc and ubuntu/livecd will the system work with the LCD or will i need windows ? http://www.ebuyer.com/product/148791 i would prefer to either use ubuntu / live cd etc ...09:24
gordNeoti_Laptop, you need a computer to go inside that case, thats just a case, it really won't affect how well the system works with ubuntu09:25
MyrttiAlanBell: pro tip: have some proper pictures taken of you and your close family09:25
MyrttiAlanBell: I regret there is none of me and mum now.09:25
gordi also have that regret =\ take lots of photos09:26
Myrttiit says a lot when the best pictures of me and mum are either from when I was so young I can't be recognized from them09:26
* MooDoo takes hundreds per week, and it's only going to increase when the new born arrives09:27
Myrttior then the one where I'm 17, but wearing a Star Wars t-shirt and both me and mum have our eyes closed.09:27
JGJonesI didn't take much pictures myself....until I got kids.09:27
JGJonesnow I have loads :)09:28
JGJoneshmm just realised....my hdd got stuff full, but it's not just photos...09:28
MooDooJGJones, yes that's it, now i belong to a photography club :)09:28
JGJonesI forgot that rapid photo downloader can also take videos too...09:28
* JGJones goes to check video folder...bet there's duplicate videos...09:28
AlanBellwent on holiday for a week and took one photo09:30
AlanBellshould probably take more, Myrtti is right09:31
MooDooAlanBell, 749 for a week in whitby :)09:31
AlanBellI can't imagine doing that09:32
AlanBellor ever looking at them again09:32
MooDooi like to stream them over the TV for the misses09:32
AlanBellthat thing in the unity button where it says "look at photos" as one of the 8 options, my reaction was "why would you ever want to look at them?"09:32
KirrusAlanBell: as memory joggers? To aid in remembering a time or event.09:33
AlanBellhmm, maybe09:33
KirrusI have one decent photo of my grandparents, one of whom is deceased.. it's nice to remember him as he was then, not from in the middle of the cancer eating him09:34
* MooDoo takes lots of photos as he want's a change of career09:34
czajkowskiAloha09:34
KirrusMooDoo: cool. How close are you to being able to make the jump, do you think?09:35
KirrusMooDoo: also, put anything on dA?09:35
MooDooKirrus, not until i can afford some decent kit.....i've done a few weddings and christenings, want to get better kit before i start really offering my services09:36
MooDooczajkowski, morning09:36
KirrusMooDoo: a bit of a catch-22 suituation?09:36
MooDooKirrus, so at current count, first child is 2.5, second is due in 6 weeks, so about 20 years09:36
MooDooKirrus, yeah exactly09:37
MooDooKirrus, and i'm going to probably make the jump from nikon to canon lol09:37
KirrusI have a canon Ixus 60 point-and-shoot, and it's really very good.. so I'd go for their pro kit if I could afford to ;)09:39
oimoncanon 400d but i'm not convinced by the picture quality , wondering if it's my lens?09:40
MooDooi really want a 5d mark 2 with a 70-200 2.8 usm II but thats well expensive09:42
andrewebdevif someone tells me to post a traceroute on a public forum, would the traceroute reveal my IP in such a way that someone else can use that to try get into my network?09:42
gordas long as we are just wishing for super expensive things we'll never get, i want an electric pony powered easter egg dispenser =\09:42
andrewebdevor is it revealed anyway?09:42
MooDooandrewebdev, just xxx out anything you don't want them to see09:43
JGJonesAlanBell, I love seeing photos of my kids...esp over the years (and while checking out the videos for duplicates...rewatching kids playing wii is just damn funny :)09:43
oimonmost pics of my sprog are taken on my phone...i'll regret it one day09:44
andrewebdevMooDoo, the question isn't really that I dont want them to see, but mostly: "Is what they see potentially dangerous to me?"09:44
Kirrusandrewebdev: your IP gets scanned daily. It's only dangerous if you post it on a cracker's forum.09:45
AlanBellJGJones: interesting, I will try showing the kids some photos and see if they like spending time looking at them09:45
JGJonesAlanBell, if looking at how they looked when young, they'll find it interesting - esp all the bad fashion/haircuts (try looking at photos of yourself say 10 years ago). But I find looking at my kids more fun than my kids would themselves :)09:46
JGJonesthey especially love seeing pictures of me when I was a kid - they do that a lot when visiting my dad.09:47
MooDooif my sone is 2.5 and i've got another one on the way, and i've already got 45gb of photos....i think i need better storage :)09:47
JGJonesMooDoo, heh don't we all :)09:47
JGJonesMooDoo, especially now that I take some videos too (got a Canon SLR that also shoot HD video....so storage costs shoot up)09:48
MooDooyeah.....can see me having terabytes09:48
MooDooJGJones, that's another reason i want a new camera, i'm really looking at the canon 60d at the moment......that has HD video too09:48
JGJoneshmm I need virgin cable or BT Infinity so I can upload fast for offsite backup.09:49
JGJonesMooDoo, Mine's just a 500D - still a damn fantastic camera09:49
popeyandrewebdev: note that we can see your ip right now ☺09:50
MooDooJGJones, well considering i'm using a nikon d60 which is a fab camera, i'm at it's limitations09:50
popeyandrewebdev: 92.235.205.18409:50
andrewebdevpopey, ok I thought that might be the case. Just wasn't sure if posting a traceroute to google for example was a good idea. I guess it's ok09:51
popey09:51
daubersAlanBell: We could always provide an area for photo dumping at Oggcamp09:53
daubersshould have the capacity09:53
daubersor if not, we will have the capacity :)09:54
MooDoois there a flickr tag for oggcamp?09:54
MyrttiI just love my micro fourthirds camera09:56
Myrttiit's nice and compact enough09:56
AlanBellI do kind of like the google plus instant upload thing, means I won't just delete photos09:58
MooDooAlanBell, i love that, that works with video as well :)09:58
AlanBellit does, not so keen on that bit09:58
AlanBellmy phone automatically uploaded 600MB of video that I wanted to edit first09:59
MyrttiI should probably get an Eye-Fi card09:59
AlanBellgenerally with photos if I wasn't going to actually use it for anything I would never look at it again10:00
davmor2morning all10:01
dogmatic69o/10:02
MooDoodavmor2, morning mate10:02
oracologydavmor2: hey buddy10:02
JGJonesproblem with google+'s instant upload is that I think it resize your pictures to a set maximum - it's not the full resolution10:03
Myrttiyup10:03
davmor2is it just me or does everyone else wish it was still the weekend and they were in bed asleep10:03
JGJoneshowever for quickly sharing something on google+, it's awesome for that at least so I tend to leave it enabled.10:03
JGJonesdavmor2, +110:04
oracologydavmor2: i hear you. i'm starting my day late today...:(10:04
MooDoodavmor2, it's not just you10:04
krimzon2+1 on the weekend, but not on still being asleep10:04
MooDooJGJones, i have extra google space, so i use it as backup as well :D10:04
JGJonesPeople cheerfully saying "it's a great day to WORK!" should be shot ;-)10:04
oracologyJGJones: +110:05
* Kirrus makes sure he doesn't say that cheerfully... here... ;)10:05
* oracology watches Kirrus carefully ;)10:05
gordits a great day to stay at home and hide under the blankets with the laptop and cat10:05
oracologygord: as long as you keep the cat out of the kitchen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iok7fJYMxi4&feature=relmfu10:05
KirrusAircon air filters at work, vs my cheap airfilter at home.. I'll go with the ones at work.. less pollen makes me very happy ;-)10:06
JGJonesMyrtti, what camera did you get?10:06
* MooDoo doesn't want to go home, as he'll have to either reinstall his server or deal with the mountains of baby clothes in the house lol10:06
MyrttiJGJones: Olympus Pen PL-1 in December10:06
MyrttiJGJones: they're a lot cheaper now than then, since PL-2 came out10:07
JGJoneshave been interested in the micro fourthirds cameras - like the idea of a more compact camera but still having decent lens10:07
JGJonesthe canon 500D's great...but I often wish it was less bulky sometime.10:08
* MooDoo wants a new lens.....but 600 is a tad expensive right now10:08
oracologyi'm out chaps and chapettes. off to work!10:08
MooDoolater10:08
dwatkinsI had to stop myself from buying lenses for my 350D, they can be rather pricey indeed.10:11
MooDoodwatkins, i'm tempted, but the wife would kill me :D10:11
popeyWe're doing UUPC live tonight by the way everyone10:13
popeyListen in at http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/live at 20:30 UK Time :D10:13
MooDoopopey, streaming it as well?10:13
popeyya10:13
MooDoopopey, i meant video10:14
popeyoh, no10:14
MooDoothat would be fun to see.......10:14
gordpopey, any good replies on twitter? also interested in a new N AP10:14
popey not yet10:15
davmor2popey, gord: I got a tplink one the only think I don't like on it is the dyndns other than that it works fine through out our concrete bunker of a prefab masonette if that helps10:18
bigcalmpopey: do a limited video stream via google+10:25
bigcalmpopey: what's wrong with your vm superhub?10:25
bigcalmpopey: I was very happy with http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002FL4QZC until VM decided to combine modem and router10:27
bigcalmMine is in a draw now10:27
bigcalmpopey: willing to sell it if you want10:28
bigcalm(currently has ddwrt on it)10:28
bigcalm!ping10:29
popeyoooo10:29
lubotu3Here I am, brain the size of a planet and they ask me to respond to factoid requests. Call that job satisfaction? Because I don't.10:29
* bigcalm hugs lubotu310:29
popeymy superhub doesn't reach the other end of the house10:30
bigcalmI see10:30
bigcalmFair enough :)10:30
popeyit's in the furthest corner of the building10:30
popeythe opposite corner is my bed10:30
popeywhere I like to watch iplayer on ipad10:30
popeybut cant10:30
popeyalso, my boss wants to buy two, one for upstairs, one for down, and connect via GbE10:30
bigcalmCan bring to oggcamp or post10:30
popey(we're basically both doing the same)10:30
bigcalmAh, fair enough10:31
popeyso i only need one10:31
popeyhe needs two :D10:31
popeywhy did you put ddwrt on it out of interest?10:31
popey(I have never used ddwrt)10:31
bigcalmI wanted more controll over it10:31
bigcalmIt works very well10:31
bigcalmI detest netgear hardware10:32
bigcalmI wonder if the netgear router I gave to aquarius is still working10:33
aquariusit works fine as a wireless thing. The ports on it don't seem to work, though :)10:33
bigcalmReally?10:34
bigcalm:(10:34
bigcalmSorry man10:34
bigcalmWas working before I replaced it with the cisco router10:34
aquariusis ok. The only thing I have which is wired right now is the NAS for all my films, and I can live without that for now10:36
aquariusthe little light for the port lights up when the nas is plugged into it, but it doesn't seem to get an address10:36
bigcalmI'm not going to teach you to suck eggs, but I assume you've messed with all of the settings?10:37
aquariusI've poked around with it; can't see anything relevant10:37
bigcalmMost strange10:37
bigcalmStick ddwrt on it ;)10:38
aquariusif it's not picking up stuff plugged into the ports, it's likely a hardware problem, no?10:40
aquariusso new firmware won't help10:40
bigcalmI did a long reset before bring it over. No other cabled devices about to test with?10:41
aquariusnope; they're all in storage ready for the move10:43
aquariusmy nas is quite shit, though. I need a good one :)10:43
bigcalm!language10:43
lubotu3Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional.10:43
bigcalmSorry ;)10:43
aquarius:)10:43
dwatkinsI need a NAS, can't decide between ReadyNAS and Drobo.10:44
bigcalmThat reminds me of "warning, may contain Langridge"10:44
gordi'm saving a bit of cash to build my own nas, fed up of box products being crap10:45
MooDoomy netgear nas duo will do me for now10:45
gordlittle mini-itx with a RAID should do the job nicely10:45
bigcalmI make do with 500GB USB drives hooked up to the revo10:46
popeyOk, having looked at ddwrt, it looks very cool10:48
popeybigcalm: lemme know how much you want for it10:48
dwatkinsgord: if Linux had a way to automatically detect disks like the Drobo, it would be awesome10:48
MyrttiI'll just hook up my harddrives to a device with USB and let the device do the sharing10:48
popeydwatkins: it kinda does :D10:48
dwatkinspopey: ooooh10:48
popeydwatkins: sata hotswap is possible10:48
popeyand you can script detection of disks with udev etc10:49
dwatkinsDoes that mean you can implement a Drobo in Ubuntu with no need to go to the commandline when replacing a drive?10:49
popeyto do stuff like add it to an array10:49
aquariusaren't the drobos not very good? popey, you had problems with yours, did you not?10:50
aquariusI quite like the idea of a nas that can download stuff by itself; torrents and whatnot10:50
popeyi did have a bit10:51
aquariusmy one can in theory, but it just doesn't work :)10:51
dwatkinsMy current NAS is an old ASUS Eee 901 netbook with a large USB disk attached to it.10:52
gordi have a little mini-itx without raid right now that downloads torrents and also filters my email as well as being a NAS, its nice to have that10:52
* dwatkins is reminded to check to see if his little netbook has managed to finish rendering the 1280x800 Companion cube desktop background he left it doing10:52
dwatkinswow: Render Time:   8 hours  1 minutes10:53
MooDoodwatkins, what app you using? povray? ;)10:54
dwatkinsMooDoo: yeah10:54
MooDooawesome :D10:54
dwatkinsYeah, it's nice that you can script it, as I'm terrible with 3D GUIs.10:57
davmor2popey: try something other than the ipad it might be sucky antenna in the ipad rather than the router it will at least rule that out first11:06
popeydavmor2: i have tried other devices too11:08
davmor2popey: meh I found some devices had much better reception than others so figured it might be worth pointing out11:10
popeyoh sure11:10
popeyand some do work better than others11:10
popeybut sadly I'm at the opposite end of the house with no reception11:11
davmor2popey: that sucks11:11
popeyI even put a powerline ethernet adapter plugged into the wall next to my bed and plugged an access point into it :D11:11
davmor2I get wifi from my router across the road or in the car in the carpark the other end of the flat and the router is on the 4th floor so that is just sucky and my router is the cheapest I could get my hands on that had n builtin so about £30-40 I got tired of paying lots for branded ones that died11:13
kvarleyDoing cp -r * /home/kvarley/Pictures/ from my sd card copies with it the DCIM and other camera folders. How can I copy files recursively without keeping the folder structure intact?11:14
kvarleyFor example there is DCIM > 100PANA > files here and I just want to copy all the files without the cp command keeping the DCIM and 100PANA subdirectories11:15
popeycp -r DCIM/100PANA/* /home/kvarley/Pictures/11:15
kvarleypopey: Thanks once again =)11:16
kvarleypopey: I'd missed the forward slashes to end the paths11:17
exobuzzhi popey11:19
popeyhey exobuzz !11:20
dwatkinsMooDoo: http://rowla.dyndns.org/gallery/v/blog/weighted_companion_cube_001.png.html11:28
dwatkinsI'll probably rename that to "lots of companion cubes" or something similar, but it's just a test image for now.11:28
MooDoodwatkins, did you code that yourself or use a gui?11:29
dwatkinsMooDoo: someone gave me the scene file for a single cube, I just used it to make a macro and some loops so far.11:29
MooDoonice11:29
dwatkinsI asked this guy for his source: http://benedek.tspace.nl/?p=11711:30
MooDoodwatkins, wait till you can do this - http://hof.povray.org/mouille.html11:30
dwatkinsMooDoo: yeah, that one is amazing11:30
MooDoohof.povray.org11:31
dwatkinsI have perused it with awe in the past, yeah :)11:31
MooDoo:)11:33
MooDoodwatkins, moray is a good frontend if you needed one :D11:33
MooDooam i telling you how to suck eggs? lol11:34
MooDoooh it's stopped dev11:34
dwatkinshehe, I've never used a front-end to Povray, so it's interesting to know about those, but I had seen the hall of fame before - not checked it for a while, though, so thanks for reminding me :)11:34
MooDooyou're welcome :D11:43
MooDoofirst time i used povray was on a 486 without the DX part and it took 23 hours to render a pawn :D11:44
MooDoothose were the days :D11:44
dwatkinsoh yeah, I was lucky enough to have a 486 DX2 66, and it felt fast until my friends got Pentiums and Quake came out - I could only run the game in a postage-stamp sized window11:52
MooDoodwatkins, wolfenstein :D11:53
dwatkinsI grew up with a BBC Micro, so even Wolfenstein was awesome 3D graphics to me ;)11:53
MooDoodwatkins, then you may remember frak :D11:54
MooDooor chuckie egg :D11:54
dwatkinsboth very well, yes - I have beebem now for nostalgia :)11:54
MooDooawesome11:55
MooDooooo AlanBell i see your presenting tonight, community week11:56
directhexpfft, bbc b11:57
directhextoff11:57
directhexno real people could afford a beeb11:57
* daubers has almost managed to wedge an atom board into his spectrum11:58
davmor2daubers: mis-read that as atom bomb couldn't understand why you would want to do that :D12:00
daubersdavmor2: Customs would never suspect that!12:00
exobuzzdid someone say chuckie egg? love that game12:03
exobuzzbbc version was very decent12:04
* MartijnVdS listens to this morning's Fry's English Delight12:07
exobuzzi got drunk with the creator of chuckie egg back in 2001 or so. was good fun. met him in the pub outside of xcom 2001 event12:11
exobuzz(nigel alderton)12:12
popeyheh12:12
exobuzzi cant find a reference to the event now. maybe it was xcon or something. mym memory sucks12:14
kaushalhi12:17
kaushalis there an application to extract text from image available in Ubuntu ?12:17
MartijnVdSkaushal: it's called 'OCR'12:17
MartijnVdSkaushal: (the thing you want to do)12:17
kaushalok12:17
MartijnVdSkaushal: search for that in the software centre12:17
kaushalok12:17
exobuzzkaushal, http://www.splitbrain.org/blog/2010-06/15-linux_ocr_software_comparison12:18
exobuzzfor free software http://code.google.com/p/tesseract-ocr/ seems to do best in their test case12:19
Myrttipatience is a virtue too.12:20
MyrttiI'm not too keen on seeing the same question here within one minute after asking it on #ubuntu, kaushal12:21
dogmatic69http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=extract+text+from+images12:23
exobuzzpopey, regarding a facebook thing you wrote, in terms of "best" what are you looking for with the access point? and how much do you want to spend etc ?12:26
exobuzzcheapest route would surely be wireless n access point and then a gigabit switch separately12:28
popeyyeah, looking at which specific wireless n access point is best12:30
exobuzzin terms of power output ?12:30
exobuzzi mean you can spend from £20 up to £lots12:30
popeyin terms of "best" :D12:31
exobuzzlol12:31
shaunoI'll get booted for this one, but I like my apple routers :)  snmp & ipv6 out of the box, disk & printer sharing built in, etc12:32
exobuzzhere's a start . cheaper ones are all 10/100 but a gigabit switch is cheap so it might be better to get two units anyway http://www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk/Shop/ShopSearch.asp?CategoryID=416&Sort=312:32
popeyshauno: you're not the first to suggest apple airport extreme12:32
popeyexobuzz: i dont want a separate GbE switch12:32
exobuzzwhen you say printer sharing are you talking about usb ?12:33
popeyhence specifically saying that I want a wifi access point with GbE built in12:33
shaunoyeah12:33
exobuzzpopey, then you are going to have to spend more than £50 no doubt12:33
popeyyeah12:33
popeymoney isnt the driver12:33
popey"best" is :D12:33
gordif its good enough, you save money anyway as you won't be buying a new one in a year ;)12:34
exobuzzwell. i have no idea what best is. i mean, best for one thing might not be best for another.  :)12:35
shaunopopey: two things to be aware of with the apple ones tho.  they're only configurable via their tool, not by a web frontend on the box itself.  and it needs to rebooted for every single silly little change you make.  which is annoying12:35
popeyerk12:35
popeyyeah you do exobuzz12:35
exobuzznot really. but anyway there are some gigabit ones on that page you could hunt down some reviews for em12:36
Myrttibelkin had some fairly nice looking boxes12:37
Myrttidon't know how good they are tho12:37
gordnot good12:38
gordat least the one i have isn't, the router firmware is terrible12:38
* MartijnVdS has a Fritz! 7340 ADSL modem/router12:38
gordrestart after every setting you change, if not the entire box at least your connection and the routing sucks12:38
MartijnVdSand it's amazon12:38
MartijnVdSamazing*12:38
popeyso far people have suggested tp link, netgear, cisco linksys and apple12:38
MartijnVdSCoworker has the 7390 (connected to 100mbit fibre connection) and it's also great12:39
gordi'v enjoyed netgear firmware before12:39
davmor2gord: which router is that?12:39
MartijnVdSand they don't need a reboot for every change12:39
gorddavmor2, adsl version of http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/4-/8135054/Belkin-F5D8236uk4-N-Wireless-Cable-DSL-Internet-Gateway-Router/Product.html12:39
MartijnVdSthey work with DSL and/or a network connection ("WAN" ethernet port)12:39
shaunothat's what bugs me most with the apple ones.  Apply & Reboot are the same thing.12:39
davmor2gord: gave up on belkins after frying 2 the netgear they didn't do much better :(12:40
davmor2s/2 the/2 then12:40
gordi guess really the best option is using one of those open source firmwares with a router that works great with it12:41
exobuzzpopey, do you need qos? how many ports do you want? dual band ?12:42
gordi'll let popey take the risk and just get what he gets ;)12:42
exobuzzwhat sort of range? you can pay more for ones with better coverage etc12:43
MartijnVdSThe Fritz! has concurrent dualband 802.11n12:44
MartijnVdSand USB ports for disks12:44
exobuzzyeh, if you need usb ports also thats another thing12:44
MartijnVdShttp://www.avm.de/en/Produkte/FRITZBox/FRITZ_Box_Fon_WLAN_7390/index.php12:44
popeygord: the cisco linksys one apparently runs ddwrt fine12:44
exobuzzmy printer is on ethernet under the stairs.  big (but cheap) color laser12:44
popeyaccording to bigcalm :D12:44
popeyexobuzz: nope, none of those things are required12:45
exobuzzhow many ethernet ports though ?12:45
diploJust grabbing end of this convo, but didn't linksys or similair support ddwrt and helped with some issues ?12:49
* bigcalm returns to read up12:55
bigcalmMy ears are burning12:55
MooDooshhhhh bigcalm is rubbish12:56
MooDoobigcalm, dont know what you mean :D12:56
popeyexobuzz: there is no hard requirement for multiple ethernet ports13:04
popeyhence not specifying it :D13:04
bigcalmMooDoo: this has been known for a very long time :P13:07
MooDoobigcalm, i'm joking of course :D13:09
bigcalm:P13:11
* bigcalm wipes away a tear13:12
davmor2czajkowski: prod hello13:12
MooDoodavmor2, czajkowski prod hello :)13:13
ubuntuuk-planet[Paul Mellors] Ubuntu Community Week - http://paulmellors.blogspot.com/2011/07/ubuntu-community-week.html13:13
davmor2MooDoo: hello you spanner ;)13:13
popeyi thought MooDoo ran fedora13:13
popeyor is it windows today13:13
MooDoopopey, at work i run fedora, on one of my servers at home it's windows 2008 server, my wife runs windows 7 and i, on my laptop run Natty13:14
MooDoopopey, where did that comment come from ?13:15
MooDoopopey, after i bigged you up on my post as well ;) lol13:17
gordhehe "bigged you up"13:17
MooDooyou all knoiw what i mean :D13:17
popeyI am not sure anyone has ever "bigged" me up ☺13:18
MooDoodoes "bigged" mean something i'm not aware of then :) lol13:18
popeyIt means you're probably not over 35, and probably come from the ghetto.13:19
Laney"Spare Time for You to Read "The Art of Community" haha13:19
MooDoomust be time for me to grow up as i'm past 35 lol13:19
popey:D13:19
popeyyeah, that made me chuckle Laney13:19
Laneyman 35 is sooooooo old, alright gramps?13:20
* popey gets his ear trumpet13:20
popeyHmmm?13:20
popeyget off my lawn!13:20
* DJones noticed the ageism creeping into the channel13:20
LaneyDJones: don't worry, i've got plenty of werthers13:20
Laneythey love that13:20
* MooDoo is 40 next year :( :S13:20
popeysame here13:21
DJones40 next year....Kids today :)13:21
popeyshhh! he's back13:21
popeyheh13:21
Laney26 next year :'(13:21
MooDooubuntu uk 40th i think :)13:21
Laneyit means i am no longer 18-25 and therefore must be mature13:22
* daubers looks confused13:22
* Laney gives daubers a beano13:22
daubers\o/13:23
davmor2MooDoo: You're a big bloke and we ain't killing ourselves giving you the bumps, so we'll just push you off the roof of a high building okay ;)13:23
daubersEveryone we know loves the beano!13:23
hippychickafternoon everyone13:23
oimoni caught myself telling people i'm 35, but i've been 36 for about 4-5 months13:23
oimon:S13:23
* MartijnVdS wonders where to buy stroopwafels in bulk13:23
dwatkinsFrom the stroopwafels manufacturer, MartijnVdS?13:23
Laneyoh man, I /love/ those13:23
oimoni haven't corrected myself yet though, i just careful not to say it while wifey is in earshot13:23
dwatkinsThey are lovely with a nice cup of tea.13:23
MooDoodavmor2, you calling me fat?13:23
Laneythey have something quite similar in lidl13:23
davmor2MooDoo: no I said big :P13:24
daubersOooh tea13:24
daubersNeed to get some nice tea for oggcamp13:24
MooDoodavmor2, hee hee :D   i might have to come to london for beers next year :)13:24
DavieyMooDoo: I went to your blog, but i need to increase my screen resolution to read the content due to it being pushed offscreen by the adverts.13:25
JGJonesBah, I'm 21.13:25
MooDooDaviey, yeah sorry i'm just in the process of removing all the <insert offensive work> off it13:25
JGJonesHave been for the last 12 years now.13:25
* daubers will be 26 this year :(13:25
* MartijnVdS will be 31 :(13:26
gordi still sometimes put 23 in to forms and such, brain can't accept i ever passed that age13:26
* hippychick is 2313:26
MooDooDaviey, i've removed the rubish banners, should be a little smaller now, i hope13:26
davmor2MooDoo: When I were lad we had to make do with cardboard box to live in......youngsters today you tell them that and do they believe you do they bol.....13:26
DavieyMooDoo: perfect!13:27
* hippychick is finding it difficult to type on the laptop with a ferret asleep over it...13:27
MooDooDaviey, there are just a lot of ubuntu banners and things at the bottom of the page :)13:27
MartijnVdShippychick: eat ferret, done :)13:28
hippychickMartijnVdS, i cant eat him!!! even though he does look scummy...13:29
MartijnVdShippychick: I'm not a pet person, can you tell? :)13:29
popeyDaviey: there are adverts on MooDoo's blog?13:29
popeyI haven't seen them :D13:29
hippychickMartijnVdS, aww, but he is sweet, only 8 weeks old bless him13:30
MooDooi've removed them....i was experimenting13:30
davmor2popey: switch off adblock and try again13:30
Davieypopey: don't make me whip out my squid filtering on you!13:30
MooDoook blog - 100% less clutter on it13:32
popeyhah13:33
Davieyis that possible?13:33
MooDooyeah i took of all the adverts and things that were calling other stuff from external locations13:33
Davieyclutter being subjective.13:33
davmor2MooDoo: you still posting stuff to it?  if so you only got rid of the commercial clutter ;)13:33
* popey declutters the channel13:34
MooDoodavmor2, /me makes a mental note to check blog before posting anything to the planet site......13:34
popey /kick daviey13:34
DavieyI could make my blog less cluttered, but then it would be less useful http://blog.daviey.com13:34
MooDoolol13:35
Laneyincisive13:35
oimonit's really difficult to read static text on the web when there are animated ads13:35
oimonit's a shame, because sites i like to support by disabling adblock seem to employ it a lot :(13:37
gordoimon, turn off animated gifs in firefox?13:41
gordthey'll still show, but not animate13:41
MartijnVdSyou can press ESC and they'll stop animating13:42
oimongord: i think they are flash..maybe flashblock is better13:45
gordi flashblock everything, adblock sites by default and remove adblock if i use them often13:45
bigcalmCan you feed wget a file of URLs and it'll leech them one by one?13:46
oimonhmm chromium doesn't seem to have option to diable animation of gifs13:48
hamitronbigcalm: the -i arguement13:48
hamitroniirc13:48
bigcalmThat simple? :)13:48
* bigcalm gives it a go13:48
hamitronwget -h13:48
dwatkinslynx --dump ;)13:48
bigcalmHumm, all of the URLs end in /download, so all of the files as being saved as download.n13:54
bigcalmGrumble13:54
bigcalmThe download links in the browser save as propper filenames13:55
davmor2MooDoo: hahahahahahhaahah  yeah knock off the windows ads ;)13:55
popeyheh13:57
exobuzzpopey, so access point with 1 ethernet would suffice? because in that case why would you need gigabit for example?14:00
popeyexobuzz: because access points can go faster than 100Mb/s14:01
exobuzzi doubt you would get over 100mbit14:02
popeywhy?14:02
Myrttiif the aim was to chain two accesspoints, and transfer data between devices connected to each, then I'm sure they'd go about gigabit speed14:03
exobuzzi dont have wireless N but, i think 100mbit would be fairly optimistic perhaps. i could be wrong. isnt the reported wireless speed the addition of both upstream and downstream combined anyway, so even 150mbit wireless N at theoretical max would fit within 100mbit ethernet speeds14:04
gorderm14:04
gordmy wireless N device is currently connected at 121MB/s14:04
gordjust fyi14:04
MooDoodavmor2, no more ads on my site.14:04
gord150 now14:04
exobuzzgord, actual speed test is better than connected speed14:04
exobuzzthe connected speed doesnt mean a great deal14:05
exobuzzbenchmark a transfer14:05
exobuzzhttp://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/802.11n-wireless-router-access-point,2605-13.html14:07
exobuzzperhaps they is that mbit or megabyte hmm.. 80 megabyte seems a little too much :)14:08
exobuzz-perhaps they14:08
dwatkinsI complained to BT about my ADSL speed, they sent me a link to their own speed test with a Java applet.14:08
exobuzzits megabits ok14:09
exobuzzso 80mbit being the fastest in their tests14:09
KirrusDoes anyone know of a good, encrypted, password manager that can handle being copied around multiple machines, or has a server component that stores them?14:09
shaunoI think gige is a fairly sane requirement.  I consider 100mbit legacy, and legacy isn't something I expect when looking for 'best in class' equipment14:10
bigcalmThis is what we like to see :) 149,145,629 3.87M/s   in 38s14:10
exobuzzshauno, but it doesnt matter if you have a access point that will never do more than 100mbit with a single port14:10
exobuzzshauno, i mean, paying for something that you cant use otherwise14:10
bigcalmThough I'm sure Soundcloud will clobber my connection at some point. 151 files to leech14:10
shaunowhy not? my isp offers 100mbit.  what happens when they offer more? I replace that money-no-object router?14:11
exobuzzshauno, access point. not router.14:11
shaunothey're the same thing in my house14:11
exobuzzwhats that got to do with it.14:11
exobuzzi said access point with a single port. i didnt say router14:11
exobuzzand anyway.. with adsl router. it would be fine with 100mbit if you didnt require lan gigabit, depends on what sort of connection you have in terms of technology14:12
popeyKirrus: keepass14:13
popeyKirrus: database held on spideroak sync'ed folder14:13
bigcalmThere we go, now getting about 70K/s from soundcloud14:13
exobuzzthe reason im talking about this, is to clarify the issue of wireless N speeds and whether you need faster than 100mbit to handle it. and from my research you dont really14:13
bigcalmMy bad :)14:13
Kirruscheers popey14:14
popeynp14:14
exobuzzand if popey didn't need the gigabit ethernet as part of his lan (access point with single ethernet port), then he would have a wider choice of hardware and so on.14:14
popeyI'd rather the bottleneck wasn't 100Mb ethernet14:15
popeyI have GbE, I'd like to use it14:15
exobuzzsure, but it wouldnt be.. i cant find a single person who has done real 100mbit speeds14:16
exobuzzif your wireless n can only do 80mbit, the 100mbit isnt a bottleneck, and the gigabit ethernet would just be wasted in this case. of a multiport device, there is more reason to use gigabit of course14:16
exobuzzi think thats the reason why so many wireless n access points dont have gigabit. they dont need it14:18
* daubers really want's to get a decent WAP and get rid of the combined router/access point14:18
daubersthey're all more or less junk these days14:18
exobuzzi prefer single devices that do their job well over all in ones14:19
exobuzzalso annoying if you get an expensive adsl router with lots of stuff, and then you switch to something otehr than adsl or so14:19
exobuzzi mostly use gigabit wired connections around the house. couple of 5 port gigabit switches, but there are some bits of the network on 100 still such as a pc, xbox1 and the main adsl router14:21
exobuzzmy amiga 4000 has 10mbit to 100mbit part of the network. it cant even max out the 10mbit though. and my a1200 does about 2mbit ;-)14:22
exobuzzmy a500 does 20KB/second over parallel port (magplip)14:22
shaunoI tihnk the only ethernet devices I have left that aren't gige, are my modem and my ups14:22
DJonesIt lives....http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_C64.aspx and supplier with Ubuntu 10.10 ready to install14:23
exobuzzDJones, i can think of a nicer case for a miniitx board mind, although i loike the c64 breadbin case, i prefer it with a real c64 inside..14:24
exobuzzpricey too, although i guess thats due to the small numbers..14:25
DJonesI wonder what games designers would have done with 2gb of memory on a C64 :)14:26
daubersDJones: Supplied you with hundreds of floppy disks to use it?14:26
DJonesdaubers: Heh, I like that idea14:27
exobuzzDJones, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdUzJL5XqBQ ?14:27
DJonesI wonder how much data you could store a C90 cassette tape14:27
exobuzzreal action starts at 2:2014:28
shaunoI wonder how on earth an 8bit would address 2Gb :)14:28
exobuzzdemo with data streamed from 16MB REU (actually 1541 ultimate card)14:29
exobuzzok not 2gb but14:29
shauno(altho 256 pages on a 16bit bus gives 256*64k.  16Mb would be nothing to sniff at for an 8bit ;)14:30
bigcalmRick Rolled :'(14:34
exobuzzhehe14:35
bigcalmThing is, I don't mind that track14:35
exobuzz<3 music from demo scener 4-mat (and he codes too!) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h15lmJQkdhg - love the tune in this one (mostly in part2)14:35
exobuzz<3 c6414:35
bigcalmThere is a lot of magic stuff to be found on the youtubes14:40
exobuzzyeh14:41
exobuzzhow about a new version of space harrier on the old atari 8 bitters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B-_6-RuJR0 - pretty impressive stuff14:41
DJonesIf anybody is interested in a cheap tablet, Asda are selling old spec & model Archos machines for < £100 http://www.reghardware.com/2011/07/18/asda_offloads_affordable_fondleslab/14:42
mattiDJones: Nice.14:45
exobuzzthats cheap14:45
dwatkinsDJones: without looking, I would be willing to bet a smartie or two that it only runs Android 2.1 ;)14:46
bigcalmThink I'll stick with my Kogan Agora (which I'm not really using either)14:46
bigcalmdwatkins: you get 2 smarties14:46
dwatkinswoohoo!14:46
exobuzzstill not as cheap as a joggler .. although perhaps more useful for some tasks. hehe14:47
DJonesdwatkins: From memory, I think it might even pre android 2.114:47
* popey hugs ipad14:47
bigcalmexobuzz: I'm tempted to make a wee stand for my Kogan tablet so that it can replace the Joggler at my bedside14:47
dwatkinsDJones: "...running an outdated OS, Android 2.1 Éclair, on an 800 x 600 resistive touchscreen."14:47
bigcalm¬.¬14:47
bigcalmexobuzz: I'm tempted to make a wee stand for my Kogan tablet so that it can replace the Joggler at my bedside14:47
dwatkinsI still can't believe the guy on hack-a-day who built a tablet from scratch.14:48
exobuzzi flinced when popey hugged his ipad and accidently closed the window14:48
exobuzzbigcalm, i dont know that device. ill have to look it up14:48
DJonesdwatkins: I hadn't read the full article, was just from what I thought I'd rememebred from originally looking at them14:48
dwatkinsaha I see DJones :)14:49
exobuzzbigcalm, my joggler does the job nicely in my kitchen and by the bed. in the bed i use xbmc and music/radio etc which it does well.14:50
exobuzzonly the touchscreen is slightly dodgy. could be more accurate. but im still pleased with how it has been overall14:50
popeydwatkins: link?14:50
exobuzzwasnt ben heck was it ? although he would make a c64 tablet or something heh14:50
dwatkinspopey: http://hackaday.com/2011/07/17/dont-buy-an-ipad-make-one/14:51
dwatkinsexobuzz: he's pretty amazing too14:51
exobuzzyeh.. makes me jealous seeing what he can do14:53
popeyblimey15:00
bigcalmThat was good15:05
MooDoono you know where your knocks ofs come from :D15:06
bigcalmIt's all just him!15:12
* daubers ponders removing 16 LDRs and one multiplexer from his circuit diagram15:17
diploCanonical guys, what is the text editor you guys use that you share / edit at the same time ?15:46
diploCan't remember for life of me atm15:46
diploAnd my goo foo is sucking15:46
Laneyetherpad15:47
Laney(~notcanonical)15:47
diplonah, think it may be gobby ?15:47
diplojust found it after asking15:47
diplogobby15:48
gordno one uses gobby anymore15:49
gordits terribad15:49
diploWhat is the bad part of it, only want it for a quick edit15:50
gordit will sometimes lose everyones documents15:50
gordwhich is pretty bad15:50
gordetherpad is much better, or google docs if you wanted to use that15:51
diploCan't execute those after changing though15:51
oimonguys, do nvidia cards  have any major known problems with 11.04?15:51
diploBut those do sound like some bad bugs15:51
gordoimon, 7100 sucks and is buggy, the rest should be fine15:53
oimongord, it's an onboard 6150 geforce :-\15:53
oimoncan't really afford to buy a proper card, and usually run 10.04, which runs great15:53
gordoimon, oh, good luck :)15:54
gordworst comes to worst, you use the classic session, will work fine15:54
oimonoh, i will use classic for sure15:54
oimonunity is not compatible with my brain unfortunately15:55
gordoh if your not using unity then you shouldn't be worried, your just using 2d acceleration basically15:55
gordput pixel here!15:55
gordnew gwibber is nice :)16:12
gordhad it running a few weeks ago, but i'm using it for the first time proper day to day now :)16:12
brobostigonafternoonings everyone.16:13
MartijnVdShowdy brobostigon16:13
brobostigonMartijnVdS: hi.16:13
brobostigon:)16:16
* MartijnVdS waits for the oven to heat up sufficiently16:16
MartijnVdS*beeps*16:16
brobostigonyummy, foodz.16:17
bigcalmMoar coffee!16:17
brobostigonnice beer please, <-----16:18
bigcalmWow, 7.30pm16:31
bigcalmWhat an unproductive day16:31
czajkowskibigcalm: 5:4016:42
bigcalmczajkowski: getting things done now16:42
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kappahave problem for install ubuntu in netbook acer for so win7 and android19:04
ali1234it's too quiet in here19:18
MartijnVdSWHAT?19:18
MartijnVdSI CAN'T HEAR YOU IT'S TOO QUIET19:19
suprengrboo!19:19
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czajkowskihttp://randall.executiv.es/ucw_oneiric_1119:52
czajkowskihttp://randall.executiv.es/ucw_oneiric_1819:52
AlanBellits all about you you you ;)19:59
daubersevening20:17
ali1234never mind the 2d version finished... i want to see the 3d version finished20:17
popeyheh ali123420:24
bigcalm_lappy486Yo20:25
hippychickhello20:25
ali1234popey: jorge's answer didn't really satisfy me, but thanks for trying :)20:35
ali1234btw i am still using unity, i haven't given up yet20:35
ali1234every day i hit the same annoying bugs20:36
Azelphuris there any way to tell what's causing load averages to spike?21:24
AzelphurI can't see anything special in iotop or top, but sometimes my load averages spike really high and then go down21:25
Azelphurand it takes like 30 seconds just to get an ssh connection21:25
zleapAzelphur, can you display system monitor in the task bar thing at the top, one of the options is load average,  you may be able to see when it spikes and relate that to what you are doing at the time21:34
Azelphurthis is a server, so no GUI21:34
zleapok21:35
brobostigontop ?21:36
AlanBellhtop21:36
brobostigon:)21:36
zleaphttp://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/how-to-monitor-your-system-performance-in-ubuntu-linux/21:37
zleapcheck out that page, scroll down it refers to a program called saidar21:37
zleapwhich seems to do the same as the monitor program but for the console21:37
Azelphurhttp://thesun.co.uk21:38
Azelphurlmao, LulzSec strikes again \o/21:38
zleaplol i thought they had disbanded21:40
zleapor were going to21:41
Azelphurme too, guess they got bored again21:41
zleaplol,  so is saidar what you are looking for21:42
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CarlosRoncerosIs it worth going for the ubuntu professional training?23:38

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