=== siya_ is now known as siya === siya is now known as Siya [02:12] hmm, anyone know why banshee would show up twice in the sound indicator? [02:15] See image for what I mean: http://i56.tinypic.com/t65np2.png [02:15] trying to work out how to get rid of one of them [02:16] I'll point out, I had banshee 1.8.1 (maverick)... and then used the PPA to install banshee 2.0.1 [02:38] hmmm, not that convinced by gnome3 yet [02:38] less of a learning curve than unity though :) [02:39] I seem to have lost my dropbox notifier... [02:39] Loving AWN though [06:48] morning [06:49] morning [07:01] good weekend AlanBell [as it appears we're the only ones up] :) [07:15] Morning [07:24] morning all [08:09] morning all [08:11] morning diplo :) it's another quiet one :D [08:18] TheOpenSourcerer, perhaps this will help your son ? - http://artlinux.wetpaint.com/ [08:18] thanks MooDoo [08:18] sorry for the tweet too :) [08:18] lol [08:20] btw how do you get blog posts onto ubuntu planet? [08:21] oimon, edit the wiki with your details [08:21] er ubuntu or ubuntu - uk? [08:21] oimon, if it's the uk one, edit this and then wait - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ubuntu-uk.org/planet/ [08:22] is the UK one well read? [08:22] oimon, i think so, i get lots of hits to my site when a post appears on it. [08:22] any exposure helps :) [08:23] ah i'm not an ubuntu member :S [08:23] for the ubuntu-uk planet you don't need to be [08:23] i'm not either [08:23] * oimon checks [08:23] for the planet.uibuntulinux.org site you do [08:24] sweet, thanks for the info [08:24] yw! [08:27] Morning peeps [08:29] morning [08:29] o/ [08:29] :D [08:32] lo [08:34] Morning all [08:38] * MooDoo is being really picky about the last ubuntu community week trading card......oooops :D [08:38] http://randall.executiv.es/ucw_oneiric_18 are the flags locational or nationality :D - http://randall.executiv.es/ucw_oneiric_18 ok ok i'll shut up === madfish is now known as danfish [08:50] MooDoo: it is all about balance [08:50] AlanBell, work and play you mean? [08:51] http://randall.executiv.es/ucw_oneiric_11 [08:51] flags [08:51] ah [08:51] tbh, the bigger issue is where the heck am I from? http://randall.executiv.es/ucw_oneiric_13 [08:52] pmsl [08:53] AlanBell, it's the county flag of surrey [08:53] http://www.flagandbuntingstore.co.uk/acatalog/Surrey_Flag.html [08:53] yup, just found it myself [08:53] :) [08:53] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Flags_with_keys [08:54] AlanBell: are you looking at everybody's chests? [08:54] * bigcalm feels violated [08:54] bigcalm, where did that come from? lol [08:56] MooDoo: follow his eyes [08:56] Right, time for physio [08:56] Laters [08:57] ah [08:57] bigcalm: popey said that too [08:59] oh i get you now lol ha ha ha ha [09:03] hmm, guess I should change that picture then [09:03] can't see it myself, looks like I am looking at the camera to me [09:04] :D [09:06] from Google+ when I changed my profile photo [09:06] Alan Pope - Just a bit. It just appeared at the top of my stream. And you appear to be looking just below my chin!. Are you looking at my tits!? [09:06] Alan Bell - yes, but not in admiration :) [09:06] soring out over 100GB of duplicated photos is not fun.... [09:06] doesn't one of the apps find duplicates? [09:07] JGJones, good luck, have fun, i had the same issue with 47GB so all i can say is ouch [09:07] can't remember which one now [09:07] oimon, yeah I just found that geeqie does that [09:07] doesn't shotwell? i can't remember [09:07] one of the mainstream ones does [09:07] oimon, however I sort photos into year/month folders etc. [09:07] oh, I could use something to find resized duplicate photos [09:08] http://askubuntu.com/questions/4072/how-can-i-find-duplicate-photos [09:08] MooDoo - screwed up with rapid photo downloader - I love it, but I misconfigured it. [09:08] oh dear [09:08] krimzon2, try geeqie - it can search for duplicates based on similairity and give you a % on how similar two pictures are [09:09] i'll try that [09:09] would searching for duplicates using checksum be the best method? (just checking!) [09:11] MooDoo, I have no idea if Shotwell can do it, I don't use it - too damn slow for me. [09:11] trimtrees.pl [09:12] JGJones, really? seems ok to me what do you use instead? [09:12] for usual use - I use picasa [09:12] but for duplicates I'm using geeqie [09:13] MooDoo - my problem with shotwell is that when I start it up, it'll like to scan my library (I assume for thumbnails) - well over an hour later.... [09:13] i use picassa for backing them up to my google account [09:14] JGJones, strange, maybe it's coz i've only got 40gb [09:14] flickr ♥ [09:14] whereas picasa - load it, all pictures is there and ready, instantly [09:14] MooDoo, Mine's all in canon RAW - are yours in RAW format? or jpg? [09:15] JGJones, a mixture of the two, so that's probably why, i used jpg until i saw the light :) [09:15] Morning ratfans! [09:16] * MooDoo changes his nick to Error [09:16] * MooDoo changes his nick to Errol [09:16] :) === denny- is now known as denny [09:20] oh yeah morning popey :) [09:21] freed up 22GB so far...and ubuntu's behaving better as a result... [09:22] never really got into photos myself [09:24] hi there , i want to use the following case with xbmc and ubuntu/livecd will the system work with the LCD or will i need windows ? http://www.ebuyer.com/product/148791 i would prefer to either use ubuntu / live cd etc ... [09:25] Neoti_Laptop, you need a computer to go inside that case, thats just a case, it really won't affect how well the system works with ubuntu [09:25] AlanBell: pro tip: have some proper pictures taken of you and your close family [09:25] AlanBell: I regret there is none of me and mum now. [09:26] i also have that regret =\ take lots of photos [09:26] it says a lot when the best pictures of me and mum are either from when I was so young I can't be recognized from them [09:27] * MooDoo takes hundreds per week, and it's only going to increase when the new born arrives [09:27] or then the one where I'm 17, but wearing a Star Wars t-shirt and both me and mum have our eyes closed. [09:27] I didn't take much pictures myself....until I got kids. [09:28] now I have loads :) [09:28] hmm just realised....my hdd got stuff full, but it's not just photos... [09:28] JGJones, yes that's it, now i belong to a photography club :) [09:28] I forgot that rapid photo downloader can also take videos too... [09:28] * JGJones goes to check video folder...bet there's duplicate videos... [09:30] went on holiday for a week and took one photo [09:31] should probably take more, Myrtti is right [09:31] AlanBell, 749 for a week in whitby :) [09:32] I can't imagine doing that [09:32] or ever looking at them again [09:32] i like to stream them over the TV for the misses [09:32] that thing in the unity button where it says "look at photos" as one of the 8 options, my reaction was "why would you ever want to look at them?" [09:33] AlanBell: as memory joggers? To aid in remembering a time or event. [09:33] hmm, maybe [09:34] I have one decent photo of my grandparents, one of whom is deceased.. it's nice to remember him as he was then, not from in the middle of the cancer eating him [09:34] * MooDoo takes lots of photos as he want's a change of career [09:34] Aloha [09:35] MooDoo: cool. How close are you to being able to make the jump, do you think? [09:35] MooDoo: also, put anything on dA? [09:36] Kirrus, not until i can afford some decent kit.....i've done a few weddings and christenings, want to get better kit before i start really offering my services [09:36] czajkowski, morning [09:36] MooDoo: a bit of a catch-22 suituation? [09:36] Kirrus, so at current count, first child is 2.5, second is due in 6 weeks, so about 20 years [09:37] Kirrus, yeah exactly [09:37] Kirrus, and i'm going to probably make the jump from nikon to canon lol [09:39] I have a canon Ixus 60 point-and-shoot, and it's really very good.. so I'd go for their pro kit if I could afford to ;) [09:40] canon 400d but i'm not convinced by the picture quality , wondering if it's my lens? [09:42] i really want a 5d mark 2 with a 70-200 2.8 usm II but thats well expensive [09:42] if someone tells me to post a traceroute on a public forum, would the traceroute reveal my IP in such a way that someone else can use that to try get into my network? [09:42] as long as we are just wishing for super expensive things we'll never get, i want an electric pony powered easter egg dispenser =\ [09:42] or is it revealed anyway? [09:43] andrewebdev, just xxx out anything you don't want them to see [09:43] AlanBell, I love seeing photos of my kids...esp over the years (and while checking out the videos for duplicates...rewatching kids playing wii is just damn funny :) [09:44] most pics of my sprog are taken on my phone...i'll regret it one day [09:44] MooDoo, the question isn't really that I dont want them to see, but mostly: "Is what they see potentially dangerous to me?" [09:45] andrewebdev: your IP gets scanned daily. It's only dangerous if you post it on a cracker's forum. [09:45] JGJones: interesting, I will try showing the kids some photos and see if they like spending time looking at them [09:46] AlanBell, if looking at how they looked when young, they'll find it interesting - esp all the bad fashion/haircuts (try looking at photos of yourself say 10 years ago). But I find looking at my kids more fun than my kids would themselves :) [09:47] they especially love seeing pictures of me when I was a kid - they do that a lot when visiting my dad. [09:47] if my sone is 2.5 and i've got another one on the way, and i've already got 45gb of photos....i think i need better storage :) [09:47] MooDoo, heh don't we all :) [09:48] MooDoo, especially now that I take some videos too (got a Canon SLR that also shoot HD video....so storage costs shoot up) [09:48] yeah.....can see me having terabytes [09:48] JGJones, that's another reason i want a new camera, i'm really looking at the canon 60d at the moment......that has HD video too [09:49] hmm I need virgin cable or BT Infinity so I can upload fast for offsite backup. [09:49] MooDoo, Mine's just a 500D - still a damn fantastic camera [09:50] andrewebdev: note that we can see your ip right now ☺ [09:50] JGJones, well considering i'm using a nikon d60 which is a fab camera, i'm at it's limitations [09:50] andrewebdev: 92.235.205.184 [09:51] popey, ok I thought that might be the case. Just wasn't sure if posting a traceroute to google for example was a good idea. I guess it's ok [09:51] ☺ [09:53] AlanBell: We could always provide an area for photo dumping at Oggcamp [09:53] should have the capacity [09:54] or if not, we will have the capacity :) [09:54] is there a flickr tag for oggcamp? [09:56] I just love my micro fourthirds camera [09:56] it's nice and compact enough [09:58] I do kind of like the google plus instant upload thing, means I won't just delete photos [09:58] AlanBell, i love that, that works with video as well :) [09:58] it does, not so keen on that bit [09:59] my phone automatically uploaded 600MB of video that I wanted to edit first [09:59] I should probably get an Eye-Fi card [10:00] generally with photos if I wasn't going to actually use it for anything I would never look at it again [10:01] morning all [10:02] o/ [10:02] davmor2, morning mate [10:02] davmor2: hey buddy [10:03] problem with google+'s instant upload is that I think it resize your pictures to a set maximum - it's not the full resolution [10:03] yup [10:03] is it just me or does everyone else wish it was still the weekend and they were in bed asleep [10:03] however for quickly sharing something on google+, it's awesome for that at least so I tend to leave it enabled. [10:04] davmor2, +1 [10:04] davmor2: i hear you. i'm starting my day late today...:( [10:04] davmor2, it's not just you [10:04] +1 on the weekend, but not on still being asleep [10:04] JGJones, i have extra google space, so i use it as backup as well :D [10:04] People cheerfully saying "it's a great day to WORK!" should be shot ;-) [10:05] JGJones: +1 [10:05] * Kirrus makes sure he doesn't say that cheerfully... here... ;) [10:05] * oracology watches Kirrus carefully ;) [10:05] its a great day to stay at home and hide under the blankets with the laptop and cat [10:05] gord: as long as you keep the cat out of the kitchen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iok7fJYMxi4&feature=relmfu [10:06] Aircon air filters at work, vs my cheap airfilter at home.. I'll go with the ones at work.. less pollen makes me very happy ;-) [10:06] Myrtti, what camera did you get? [10:06] * MooDoo doesn't want to go home, as he'll have to either reinstall his server or deal with the mountains of baby clothes in the house lol [10:06] JGJones: Olympus Pen PL-1 in December [10:07] JGJones: they're a lot cheaper now than then, since PL-2 came out [10:07] have been interested in the micro fourthirds cameras - like the idea of a more compact camera but still having decent lens [10:08] the canon 500D's great...but I often wish it was less bulky sometime. [10:08] * MooDoo wants a new lens.....but 600 is a tad expensive right now [10:08] i'm out chaps and chapettes. off to work! [10:08] later [10:11] I had to stop myself from buying lenses for my 350D, they can be rather pricey indeed. [10:11] dwatkins, i'm tempted, but the wife would kill me :D [10:13] We're doing UUPC live tonight by the way everyone [10:13] Listen in at http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/live at 20:30 UK Time :D [10:13] popey, streaming it as well? [10:13] ya [10:14] popey, i meant video [10:14] oh, no [10:14] that would be fun to see....... [10:14] popey, any good replies on twitter? also interested in a new N AP [10:15] not yet [10:18] popey, gord: I got a tplink one the only think I don't like on it is the dyndns other than that it works fine through out our concrete bunker of a prefab masonette if that helps [10:25] popey: do a limited video stream via google+ [10:25] popey: what's wrong with your vm superhub? [10:27] popey: I was very happy with http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002FL4QZC until VM decided to combine modem and router [10:27] Mine is in a draw now [10:28] popey: willing to sell it if you want [10:28] (currently has ddwrt on it) [10:29] !ping [10:29] oooo [10:29] Here I am, brain the size of a planet and they ask me to respond to factoid requests. Call that job satisfaction? Because I don't. [10:29] * bigcalm hugs lubotu3 [10:30] my superhub doesn't reach the other end of the house [10:30] I see [10:30] Fair enough :) [10:30] it's in the furthest corner of the building [10:30] the opposite corner is my bed [10:30] where I like to watch iplayer on ipad [10:30] but cant [10:30] also, my boss wants to buy two, one for upstairs, one for down, and connect via GbE [10:30] Can bring to oggcamp or post [10:30] (we're basically both doing the same) [10:31] Ah, fair enough [10:31] so i only need one [10:31] he needs two :D [10:31] why did you put ddwrt on it out of interest? [10:31] (I have never used ddwrt) [10:31] I wanted more controll over it [10:31] It works very well [10:32] I detest netgear hardware [10:33] I wonder if the netgear router I gave to aquarius is still working [10:33] it works fine as a wireless thing. The ports on it don't seem to work, though :) [10:34] Really? [10:34] :( [10:34] Sorry man [10:34] Was working before I replaced it with the cisco router [10:36] is ok. The only thing I have which is wired right now is the NAS for all my films, and I can live without that for now [10:36] the little light for the port lights up when the nas is plugged into it, but it doesn't seem to get an address [10:37] I'm not going to teach you to suck eggs, but I assume you've messed with all of the settings? [10:37] I've poked around with it; can't see anything relevant [10:37] Most strange [10:38] Stick ddwrt on it ;) [10:40] if it's not picking up stuff plugged into the ports, it's likely a hardware problem, no? [10:40] so new firmware won't help [10:41] I did a long reset before bring it over. No other cabled devices about to test with? [10:43] nope; they're all in storage ready for the move [10:43] my nas is quite shit, though. I need a good one :) [10:43] !language [10:43] Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional. [10:43] Sorry ;) [10:43] :) [10:44] I need a NAS, can't decide between ReadyNAS and Drobo. [10:44] That reminds me of "warning, may contain Langridge" [10:45] i'm saving a bit of cash to build my own nas, fed up of box products being crap [10:45] my netgear nas duo will do me for now [10:45] little mini-itx with a RAID should do the job nicely [10:46] I make do with 500GB USB drives hooked up to the revo [10:48] Ok, having looked at ddwrt, it looks very cool [10:48] bigcalm: lemme know how much you want for it [10:48] gord: if Linux had a way to automatically detect disks like the Drobo, it would be awesome [10:48] I'll just hook up my harddrives to a device with USB and let the device do the sharing [10:48] dwatkins: it kinda does :D [10:48] popey: ooooh [10:48] dwatkins: sata hotswap is possible [10:49] and you can script detection of disks with udev etc [10:49] Does that mean you can implement a Drobo in Ubuntu with no need to go to the commandline when replacing a drive? [10:49] to do stuff like add it to an array [10:50] aren't the drobos not very good? popey, you had problems with yours, did you not? [10:50] I quite like the idea of a nas that can download stuff by itself; torrents and whatnot [10:51] i did have a bit [10:51] my one can in theory, but it just doesn't work :) [10:52] My current NAS is an old ASUS Eee 901 netbook with a large USB disk attached to it. [10:52] i have a little mini-itx without raid right now that downloads torrents and also filters my email as well as being a NAS, its nice to have that [10:52] * dwatkins is reminded to check to see if his little netbook has managed to finish rendering the 1280x800 Companion cube desktop background he left it doing [10:53] wow: Render Time: 8 hours 1 minutes [10:54] dwatkins, what app you using? povray? ;) [10:54] MooDoo: yeah [10:54] awesome :D [10:57] Yeah, it's nice that you can script it, as I'm terrible with 3D GUIs. [11:06] popey: try something other than the ipad it might be sucky antenna in the ipad rather than the router it will at least rule that out first [11:08] davmor2: i have tried other devices too [11:10] popey: meh I found some devices had much better reception than others so figured it might be worth pointing out [11:10] oh sure [11:10] and some do work better than others [11:11] but sadly I'm at the opposite end of the house with no reception [11:11] popey: that sucks [11:11] I even put a powerline ethernet adapter plugged into the wall next to my bed and plugged an access point into it :D [11:13] I get wifi from my router across the road or in the car in the carpark the other end of the flat and the router is on the 4th floor so that is just sucky and my router is the cheapest I could get my hands on that had n builtin so about £30-40 I got tired of paying lots for branded ones that died [11:14] Doing cp -r * /home/kvarley/Pictures/ from my sd card copies with it the DCIM and other camera folders. How can I copy files recursively without keeping the folder structure intact? [11:15] For example there is DCIM > 100PANA > files here and I just want to copy all the files without the cp command keeping the DCIM and 100PANA subdirectories [11:15] cp -r DCIM/100PANA/* /home/kvarley/Pictures/ [11:16] popey: Thanks once again =) [11:17] popey: I'd missed the forward slashes to end the paths [11:19] hi popey [11:20] hey exobuzz ! [11:28] MooDoo: http://rowla.dyndns.org/gallery/v/blog/weighted_companion_cube_001.png.html [11:28] I'll probably rename that to "lots of companion cubes" or something similar, but it's just a test image for now. [11:29] dwatkins, did you code that yourself or use a gui? [11:29] MooDoo: someone gave me the scene file for a single cube, I just used it to make a macro and some loops so far. [11:29] nice [11:30] I asked this guy for his source: http://benedek.tspace.nl/?p=117 [11:30] dwatkins, wait till you can do this - http://hof.povray.org/mouille.html [11:30] MooDoo: yeah, that one is amazing [11:31] hof.povray.org [11:31] I have perused it with awe in the past, yeah :) [11:33] :) [11:33] dwatkins, moray is a good frontend if you needed one :D [11:34] am i telling you how to suck eggs? lol [11:34] oh it's stopped dev [11:34] hehe, I've never used a front-end to Povray, so it's interesting to know about those, but I had seen the hall of fame before - not checked it for a while, though, so thanks for reminding me :) [11:43] you're welcome :D [11:44] first time i used povray was on a 486 without the DX part and it took 23 hours to render a pawn :D [11:44] those were the days :D [11:52] oh yeah, I was lucky enough to have a 486 DX2 66, and it felt fast until my friends got Pentiums and Quake came out - I could only run the game in a postage-stamp sized window [11:53] dwatkins, wolfenstein :D [11:53] I grew up with a BBC Micro, so even Wolfenstein was awesome 3D graphics to me ;) [11:54] dwatkins, then you may remember frak :D [11:54] or chuckie egg :D [11:54] both very well, yes - I have beebem now for nostalgia :) [11:55] awesome [11:56] ooo AlanBell i see your presenting tonight, community week [11:57] pfft, bbc b [11:57] toff [11:57] no real people could afford a beeb [11:58] * daubers has almost managed to wedge an atom board into his spectrum [12:00] daubers: mis-read that as atom bomb couldn't understand why you would want to do that :D [12:00] davmor2: Customs would never suspect that! [12:03] did someone say chuckie egg? love that game [12:04] bbc version was very decent [12:07] * MartijnVdS listens to this morning's Fry's English Delight [12:11] i got drunk with the creator of chuckie egg back in 2001 or so. was good fun. met him in the pub outside of xcom 2001 event [12:12] (nigel alderton) [12:12] heh [12:14] i cant find a reference to the event now. maybe it was xcon or something. mym memory sucks [12:17] hi [12:17] is there an application to extract text from image available in Ubuntu ? [12:17] kaushal: it's called 'OCR' [12:17] kaushal: (the thing you want to do) [12:17] ok [12:17] kaushal: search for that in the software centre [12:17] ok [12:18] kaushal, http://www.splitbrain.org/blog/2010-06/15-linux_ocr_software_comparison [12:19] for free software http://code.google.com/p/tesseract-ocr/ seems to do best in their test case [12:20] patience is a virtue too. [12:21] I'm not too keen on seeing the same question here within one minute after asking it on #ubuntu, kaushal [12:23] http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=extract+text+from+images [12:26] popey, regarding a facebook thing you wrote, in terms of "best" what are you looking for with the access point? and how much do you want to spend etc ? [12:28] cheapest route would surely be wireless n access point and then a gigabit switch separately [12:30] yeah, looking at which specific wireless n access point is best [12:30] in terms of power output ? [12:30] i mean you can spend from £20 up to £lots [12:31] in terms of "best" :D [12:31] lol [12:32] I'll get booted for this one, but I like my apple routers :) snmp & ipv6 out of the box, disk & printer sharing built in, etc [12:32] here's a start . cheaper ones are all 10/100 but a gigabit switch is cheap so it might be better to get two units anyway http://www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk/Shop/ShopSearch.asp?CategoryID=416&Sort=3 [12:32] shauno: you're not the first to suggest apple airport extreme [12:32] exobuzz: i dont want a separate GbE switch [12:33] when you say printer sharing are you talking about usb ? [12:33] hence specifically saying that I want a wifi access point with GbE built in [12:33] yeah [12:33] popey, then you are going to have to spend more than £50 no doubt [12:33] yeah [12:33] money isnt the driver [12:33] "best" is :D [12:34] if its good enough, you save money anyway as you won't be buying a new one in a year ;) [12:35] well. i have no idea what best is. i mean, best for one thing might not be best for another. :) [12:35] popey: two things to be aware of with the apple ones tho. they're only configurable via their tool, not by a web frontend on the box itself. and it needs to rebooted for every single silly little change you make. which is annoying [12:35] erk [12:35] yeah you do exobuzz [12:36] not really. but anyway there are some gigabit ones on that page you could hunt down some reviews for em [12:37] belkin had some fairly nice looking boxes [12:37] don't know how good they are tho [12:38] not good [12:38] at least the one i have isn't, the router firmware is terrible [12:38] * MartijnVdS has a Fritz! 7340 ADSL modem/router [12:38] restart after every setting you change, if not the entire box at least your connection and the routing sucks [12:38] and it's amazon [12:38] amazing* [12:38] so far people have suggested tp link, netgear, cisco linksys and apple [12:39] Coworker has the 7390 (connected to 100mbit fibre connection) and it's also great [12:39] i'v enjoyed netgear firmware before [12:39] gord: which router is that? [12:39] and they don't need a reboot for every change [12:39] davmor2, adsl version of http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/4-/8135054/Belkin-F5D8236uk4-N-Wireless-Cable-DSL-Internet-Gateway-Router/Product.html [12:39] they work with DSL and/or a network connection ("WAN" ethernet port) [12:39] that's what bugs me most with the apple ones. Apply & Reboot are the same thing. [12:40] gord: gave up on belkins after frying 2 the netgear they didn't do much better :( [12:40] s/2 the/2 then [12:41] i guess really the best option is using one of those open source firmwares with a router that works great with it [12:42] popey, do you need qos? how many ports do you want? dual band ? [12:42] i'll let popey take the risk and just get what he gets ;) [12:43] what sort of range? you can pay more for ones with better coverage etc [12:44] The Fritz! has concurrent dualband 802.11n [12:44] and USB ports for disks [12:44] yeh, if you need usb ports also thats another thing [12:44] http://www.avm.de/en/Produkte/FRITZBox/FRITZ_Box_Fon_WLAN_7390/index.php [12:44] gord: the cisco linksys one apparently runs ddwrt fine [12:44] my printer is on ethernet under the stairs. big (but cheap) color laser [12:44] according to bigcalm :D [12:45] exobuzz: nope, none of those things are required [12:45] how many ethernet ports though ? [12:49] Just grabbing end of this convo, but didn't linksys or similair support ddwrt and helped with some issues ? [12:55] * bigcalm returns to read up [12:55] My ears are burning [12:56] shhhhh bigcalm is rubbish [12:56]