[02:12] <HazRPG> hmm, anyone know why banshee would show up twice in the sound indicator?
[02:15] <HazRPG> See image for what I mean: http://i56.tinypic.com/t65np2.png
[02:15] <HazRPG> trying to work out how to get rid of one of them
[02:16] <HazRPG> I'll point out, I had banshee 1.8.1 (maverick)... and then used the PPA  to install banshee 2.0.1
[02:38] <siya> hmmm, not that convinced by gnome3 yet
[02:38] <siya> less of a learning curve than unity though :)
[02:39] <siya> I seem to have lost my dropbox notifier...
[02:39] <siya> Loving AWN though
[06:48] <MooDoo> morning
[06:49] <AlanBell> morning
[07:01] <MooDoo> good weekend AlanBell [as it appears we're the only ones up] :)
[07:15] <daubers> Morning
[07:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning all
[08:09] <diplo> morning all
[08:11] <MooDoo> morning diplo :) it's another quiet one :D
[08:18] <MooDoo> TheOpenSourcerer, perhaps this will help your son ?  - http://artlinux.wetpaint.com/
[08:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> thanks MooDoo
[08:18] <MooDoo> sorry for the tweet too :)
[08:18] <MooDoo> lol
[08:20] <oimon> btw how do you get blog posts onto ubuntu planet?
[08:21] <MooDoo> oimon, edit the wiki with your details
[08:21] <MooDoo> er ubuntu or ubuntu - uk?
[08:21] <MooDoo> oimon, if it's the uk one, edit this and then wait - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ubuntu-uk.org/planet/
[08:22] <oimon> is the UK one well read?
[08:22] <MooDoo> oimon, i think so, i get lots of hits to my site when a post appears on it.
[08:22] <MooDoo> any exposure helps :)
[08:23] <oimon> ah i'm not an ubuntu member :S
[08:23] <MooDoo> for the ubuntu-uk planet you don't need to be
[08:23] <MooDoo> i'm not either
[08:23]  * oimon checks
[08:23] <MooDoo> for the planet.uibuntulinux.org site you do
[08:24] <oimon> sweet, thanks for the info
[08:24] <MooDoo> yw!
[08:27] <bigcalm> Morning peeps
[08:29] <MooDoo> morning
[08:29] <wintellect> o/
[08:29] <MooDoo> :D
[08:32] <madfish> lo
[08:34] <DJones> Morning all
[08:38]  * MooDoo is being really picky about the last ubuntu community week trading card......oooops :D
[08:38] <MooDoo> http://randall.executiv.es/ucw_oneiric_18 are the flags locational or nationality :D - http://randall.executiv.es/ucw_oneiric_18  ok ok i'll shut up
[08:50] <AlanBell> MooDoo: it is all about balance
[08:50] <MooDoo> AlanBell, work and play you mean?
[08:51] <AlanBell> http://randall.executiv.es/ucw_oneiric_11
[08:51] <AlanBell> flags
[08:51] <MooDoo> ah
[08:51] <AlanBell> tbh, the bigger issue is where the heck am I from? http://randall.executiv.es/ucw_oneiric_13
[08:52] <MooDoo> pmsl
[08:53] <MooDoo> AlanBell, it's the county flag of surrey
[08:53] <AlanBell> http://www.flagandbuntingstore.co.uk/acatalog/Surrey_Flag.html
[08:53] <AlanBell> yup, just found it myself
[08:53] <MooDoo> :)
[08:53] <MooDoo> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Flags_with_keys
[08:54] <bigcalm> AlanBell: are you looking at everybody's chests?
[08:54]  * bigcalm feels violated
[08:54] <MooDoo> bigcalm, where did that come from? lol
[08:56] <bigcalm> MooDoo: follow his eyes
[08:56] <bigcalm> Right, time for physio
[08:56] <bigcalm> Laters
[08:57] <MooDoo> ah
[08:57] <AlanBell> bigcalm: popey said that too
[08:59] <MooDoo> oh i get you now lol ha ha ha ha
[09:03] <AlanBell> hmm, guess I should change that picture then
[09:03] <AlanBell> can't see it myself, looks like I am looking at the camera to me
[09:04] <MooDoo> :D
[09:06] <AlanBell> from Google+ when I changed my profile photo
[09:06] <AlanBell> Alan Pope - Just a bit. It just appeared at the top of my stream. And you appear to be looking just below my chin!. Are you looking at my tits!?
[09:06] <AlanBell> Alan Bell - yes, but not in admiration :)
[09:06] <JGJones> soring out over 100GB of duplicated photos is not fun....
[09:06] <oimon> doesn't one of the apps find duplicates?
[09:07] <MooDoo> JGJones, good luck, have fun, i had the same issue with 47GB so all i can say is ouch
[09:07] <oimon> can't remember which one now
[09:07] <JGJones> oimon, yeah I just found that geeqie does that
[09:07] <MooDoo> doesn't shotwell?  i can't remember
[09:07] <oimon> one of the mainstream ones does
[09:07] <JGJones> oimon, however I sort photos into year/month folders etc.
[09:07] <krimzon2> oh, I could use something to find resized duplicate photos
[09:08] <oimon> http://askubuntu.com/questions/4072/how-can-i-find-duplicate-photos
[09:08] <JGJones> MooDoo - screwed up with rapid photo downloader - I love it, but I misconfigured it.
[09:08] <MooDoo> oh dear
[09:08] <JGJones> krimzon2, try geeqie - it can search for duplicates based on similairity and give you a % on how similar two pictures are
[09:09] <krimzon2> i'll try that
[09:09] <JGJones> would searching for duplicates using checksum be the best method? (just checking!)
[09:11] <JGJones> MooDoo, I have no idea if Shotwell can do it, I don't use it - too damn slow for me.
[09:11] <Myrtti> trimtrees.pl
[09:12] <MooDoo> JGJones, really?  seems ok to me what do you use instead?
[09:12] <JGJones> for usual use - I use picasa
[09:12] <JGJones> but for duplicates I'm using geeqie
[09:13] <JGJones> MooDoo - my problem with shotwell is that when I start it up, it'll like to scan my library (I assume for thumbnails) - well over an hour later....
[09:13] <MooDoo> i use picassa for backing them up to my google account
[09:14] <MooDoo> JGJones, strange, maybe it's coz i've only got 40gb
[09:14] <Myrtti> flickr ♥
[09:14] <JGJones> whereas picasa - load it, all pictures is there and ready, instantly
[09:14] <JGJones> MooDoo, Mine's all in canon RAW - are yours in RAW format? or jpg?
[09:15] <MooDoo> JGJones, a mixture of the two, so that's probably why, i used jpg until i saw the light :)
[09:15] <popey> Morning ratfans!
[09:16]  * MooDoo changes his nick to Error
[09:16]  * MooDoo changes his nick to Errol
[09:16] <MooDoo> :)
[09:20] <MooDoo> oh yeah morning popey :)
[09:21] <JGJones> freed up 22GB so far...and ubuntu's behaving better as a result...
[09:22] <AlanBell> never really got into photos myself
[09:24] <Neoti_Laptop> hi there , i want to use the following case with xbmc and ubuntu/livecd will the system work with the LCD or will i need windows ? http://www.ebuyer.com/product/148791 i would prefer to either use ubuntu / live cd etc ...
[09:25] <gord> Neoti_Laptop, you need a computer to go inside that case, thats just a case, it really won't affect how well the system works with ubuntu
[09:25] <Myrtti> AlanBell: pro tip: have some proper pictures taken of you and your close family
[09:25] <Myrtti> AlanBell: I regret there is none of me and mum now.
[09:26] <gord> i also have that regret =\ take lots of photos
[09:26] <Myrtti> it says a lot when the best pictures of me and mum are either from when I was so young I can't be recognized from them
[09:27]  * MooDoo takes hundreds per week, and it's only going to increase when the new born arrives
[09:27] <Myrtti> or then the one where I'm 17, but wearing a Star Wars t-shirt and both me and mum have our eyes closed.
[09:27] <JGJones> I didn't take much pictures myself....until I got kids.
[09:28] <JGJones> now I have loads :)
[09:28] <JGJones> hmm just realised....my hdd got stuff full, but it's not just photos...
[09:28] <MooDoo> JGJones, yes that's it, now i belong to a photography club :)
[09:28] <JGJones> I forgot that rapid photo downloader can also take videos too...
[09:28]  * JGJones goes to check video folder...bet there's duplicate videos...
[09:30] <AlanBell> went on holiday for a week and took one photo
[09:31] <AlanBell> should probably take more, Myrtti is right
[09:31] <MooDoo> AlanBell, 749 for a week in whitby :)
[09:32] <AlanBell> I can't imagine doing that
[09:32] <AlanBell> or ever looking at them again
[09:32] <MooDoo> i like to stream them over the TV for the misses
[09:32] <AlanBell> that thing in the unity button where it says "look at photos" as one of the 8 options, my reaction was "why would you ever want to look at them?"
[09:33] <Kirrus> AlanBell: as memory joggers? To aid in remembering a time or event.
[09:33] <AlanBell> hmm, maybe
[09:34] <Kirrus> I have one decent photo of my grandparents, one of whom is deceased.. it's nice to remember him as he was then, not from in the middle of the cancer eating him
[09:34]  * MooDoo takes lots of photos as he want's a change of career
[09:34] <czajkowski> Aloha
[09:35] <Kirrus> MooDoo: cool. How close are you to being able to make the jump, do you think?
[09:35] <Kirrus> MooDoo: also, put anything on dA?
[09:36] <MooDoo> Kirrus, not until i can afford some decent kit.....i've done a few weddings and christenings, want to get better kit before i start really offering my services
[09:36] <MooDoo> czajkowski, morning
[09:36] <Kirrus> MooDoo: a bit of a catch-22 suituation?
[09:36] <MooDoo> Kirrus, so at current count, first child is 2.5, second is due in 6 weeks, so about 20 years
[09:37] <MooDoo> Kirrus, yeah exactly
[09:37] <MooDoo> Kirrus, and i'm going to probably make the jump from nikon to canon lol
[09:39] <Kirrus> I have a canon Ixus 60 point-and-shoot, and it's really very good.. so I'd go for their pro kit if I could afford to ;)
[09:40] <oimon> canon 400d but i'm not convinced by the picture quality , wondering if it's my lens?
[09:42] <MooDoo> i really want a 5d mark 2 with a 70-200 2.8 usm II but thats well expensive
[09:42] <andrewebdev> if someone tells me to post a traceroute on a public forum, would the traceroute reveal my IP in such a way that someone else can use that to try get into my network?
[09:42] <gord> as long as we are just wishing for super expensive things we'll never get, i want an electric pony powered easter egg dispenser =\
[09:42] <andrewebdev> or is it revealed anyway?
[09:43] <MooDoo> andrewebdev, just xxx out anything you don't want them to see
[09:43] <JGJones> AlanBell, I love seeing photos of my kids...esp over the years (and while checking out the videos for duplicates...rewatching kids playing wii is just damn funny :)
[09:44] <oimon> most pics of my sprog are taken on my phone...i'll regret it one day
[09:44] <andrewebdev> MooDoo, the question isn't really that I dont want them to see, but mostly: "Is what they see potentially dangerous to me?"
[09:45] <Kirrus> andrewebdev: your IP gets scanned daily. It's only dangerous if you post it on a cracker's forum.
[09:45] <AlanBell> JGJones: interesting, I will try showing the kids some photos and see if they like spending time looking at them
[09:46] <JGJones> AlanBell, if looking at how they looked when young, they'll find it interesting - esp all the bad fashion/haircuts (try looking at photos of yourself say 10 years ago). But I find looking at my kids more fun than my kids would themselves :)
[09:47] <JGJones> they especially love seeing pictures of me when I was a kid - they do that a lot when visiting my dad.
[09:47] <MooDoo> if my sone is 2.5 and i've got another one on the way, and i've already got 45gb of photos....i think i need better storage :)
[09:47] <JGJones> MooDoo, heh don't we all :)
[09:48] <JGJones> MooDoo, especially now that I take some videos too (got a Canon SLR that also shoot HD video....so storage costs shoot up)
[09:48] <MooDoo> yeah.....can see me having terabytes
[09:48] <MooDoo> JGJones, that's another reason i want a new camera, i'm really looking at the canon 60d at the moment......that has HD video too
[09:49] <JGJones> hmm I need virgin cable or BT Infinity so I can upload fast for offsite backup.
[09:49] <JGJones> MooDoo, Mine's just a 500D - still a damn fantastic camera
[09:50] <popey> andrewebdev: note that we can see your ip right now ☺
[09:50] <MooDoo> JGJones, well considering i'm using a nikon d60 which is a fab camera, i'm at it's limitations
[09:50] <popey> andrewebdev: 92.235.205.184
[09:51] <andrewebdev> popey, ok I thought that might be the case. Just wasn't sure if posting a traceroute to google for example was a good idea. I guess it's ok
[09:51] <popey> ☺
[09:53] <daubers> AlanBell: We could always provide an area for photo dumping at Oggcamp
[09:53] <daubers> should have the capacity
[09:54] <daubers> or if not, we will have the capacity :)
[09:54] <MooDoo> is there a flickr tag for oggcamp?
[09:56] <Myrtti> I just love my micro fourthirds camera
[09:56] <Myrtti> it's nice and compact enough
[09:58] <AlanBell> I do kind of like the google plus instant upload thing, means I won't just delete photos
[09:58] <MooDoo> AlanBell, i love that, that works with video as well :)
[09:58] <AlanBell> it does, not so keen on that bit
[09:59] <AlanBell> my phone automatically uploaded 600MB of video that I wanted to edit first
[09:59] <Myrtti> I should probably get an Eye-Fi card
[10:00] <AlanBell> generally with photos if I wasn't going to actually use it for anything I would never look at it again
[10:01] <davmor2> morning all
[10:02] <dogmatic69> o/
[10:02] <MooDoo> davmor2, morning mate
[10:02] <oracology> davmor2: hey buddy
[10:03] <JGJones> problem with google+'s instant upload is that I think it resize your pictures to a set maximum - it's not the full resolution
[10:03] <Myrtti> yup
[10:03] <davmor2> is it just me or does everyone else wish it was still the weekend and they were in bed asleep
[10:03] <JGJones> however for quickly sharing something on google+, it's awesome for that at least so I tend to leave it enabled.
[10:04] <JGJones> davmor2, +1
[10:04] <oracology> davmor2: i hear you. i'm starting my day late today...:(
[10:04] <MooDoo> davmor2, it's not just you
[10:04] <krimzon2> +1 on the weekend, but not on still being asleep
[10:04] <MooDoo> JGJones, i have extra google space, so i use it as backup as well :D
[10:04] <JGJones> People cheerfully saying "it's a great day to WORK!" should be shot ;-)
[10:05] <oracology> JGJones: +1
[10:05]  * Kirrus makes sure he doesn't say that cheerfully... here... ;)
[10:05]  * oracology watches Kirrus carefully ;)
[10:05] <gord> its a great day to stay at home and hide under the blankets with the laptop and cat
[10:05] <oracology> gord: as long as you keep the cat out of the kitchen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iok7fJYMxi4&feature=relmfu
[10:06] <Kirrus> Aircon air filters at work, vs my cheap airfilter at home.. I'll go with the ones at work.. less pollen makes me very happy ;-)
[10:06] <JGJones> Myrtti, what camera did you get?
[10:06]  * MooDoo doesn't want to go home, as he'll have to either reinstall his server or deal with the mountains of baby clothes in the house lol
[10:06] <Myrtti> JGJones: Olympus Pen PL-1 in December
[10:07] <Myrtti> JGJones: they're a lot cheaper now than then, since PL-2 came out
[10:07] <JGJones> have been interested in the micro fourthirds cameras - like the idea of a more compact camera but still having decent lens
[10:08] <JGJones> the canon 500D's great...but I often wish it was less bulky sometime.
[10:08]  * MooDoo wants a new lens.....but 600 is a tad expensive right now
[10:08] <oracology> i'm out chaps and chapettes. off to work!
[10:08] <MooDoo> later
[10:11] <dwatkins> I had to stop myself from buying lenses for my 350D, they can be rather pricey indeed.
[10:11] <MooDoo> dwatkins, i'm tempted, but the wife would kill me :D
[10:13] <popey> We're doing UUPC live tonight by the way everyone
[10:13] <popey> Listen in at http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/live at 20:30 UK Time :D
[10:13] <MooDoo> popey, streaming it as well?
[10:13] <popey> ya
[10:14] <MooDoo> popey, i meant video
[10:14] <popey> oh, no
[10:14] <MooDoo> that would be fun to see.......
[10:14] <gord> popey, any good replies on twitter? also interested in a new N AP
[10:15] <popey>  not yet
[10:18] <davmor2> popey, gord: I got a tplink one the only think I don't like on it is the dyndns other than that it works fine through out our concrete bunker of a prefab masonette if that helps
[10:25] <bigcalm> popey: do a limited video stream via google+
[10:25] <bigcalm> popey: what's wrong with your vm superhub?
[10:27] <bigcalm> popey: I was very happy with http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002FL4QZC until VM decided to combine modem and router
[10:27] <bigcalm> Mine is in a draw now
[10:28] <bigcalm> popey: willing to sell it if you want
[10:28] <bigcalm> (currently has ddwrt on it)
[10:29] <bigcalm> !ping
[10:29] <popey> oooo
[10:29]  * bigcalm hugs lubotu3
[10:30] <popey> my superhub doesn't reach the other end of the house
[10:30] <bigcalm> I see
[10:30] <bigcalm> Fair enough :)
[10:30] <popey> it's in the furthest corner of the building
[10:30] <popey> the opposite corner is my bed
[10:30] <popey> where I like to watch iplayer on ipad
[10:30] <popey> but cant
[10:30] <popey> also, my boss wants to buy two, one for upstairs, one for down, and connect via GbE
[10:30] <bigcalm> Can bring to oggcamp or post
[10:30] <popey> (we're basically both doing the same)
[10:31] <bigcalm> Ah, fair enough
[10:31] <popey> so i only need one
[10:31] <popey> he needs two :D
[10:31] <popey> why did you put ddwrt on it out of interest?
[10:31] <popey> (I have never used ddwrt)
[10:31] <bigcalm> I wanted more controll over it
[10:31] <bigcalm> It works very well
[10:32] <bigcalm> I detest netgear hardware
[10:33] <bigcalm> I wonder if the netgear router I gave to aquarius is still working
[10:33] <aquarius> it works fine as a wireless thing. The ports on it don't seem to work, though :)
[10:34] <bigcalm> Really?
[10:34] <bigcalm> :(
[10:34] <bigcalm> Sorry man
[10:34] <bigcalm> Was working before I replaced it with the cisco router
[10:36] <aquarius> is ok. The only thing I have which is wired right now is the NAS for all my films, and I can live without that for now
[10:36] <aquarius> the little light for the port lights up when the nas is plugged into it, but it doesn't seem to get an address
[10:37] <bigcalm> I'm not going to teach you to suck eggs, but I assume you've messed with all of the settings?
[10:37] <aquarius> I've poked around with it; can't see anything relevant
[10:37] <bigcalm> Most strange
[10:38] <bigcalm> Stick ddwrt on it ;)
[10:40] <aquarius> if it's not picking up stuff plugged into the ports, it's likely a hardware problem, no?
[10:40] <aquarius> so new firmware won't help
[10:41] <bigcalm> I did a long reset before bring it over. No other cabled devices about to test with?
[10:43] <aquarius> nope; they're all in storage ready for the move
[10:43] <aquarius> my nas is quite shit, though. I need a good one :)
[10:43] <bigcalm> !language
[10:43] <bigcalm> Sorry ;)
[10:43] <aquarius> :)
[10:44] <dwatkins> I need a NAS, can't decide between ReadyNAS and Drobo.
[10:44] <bigcalm> That reminds me of "warning, may contain Langridge"
[10:45] <gord> i'm saving a bit of cash to build my own nas, fed up of box products being crap
[10:45] <MooDoo> my netgear nas duo will do me for now
[10:45] <gord> little mini-itx with a RAID should do the job nicely
[10:46] <bigcalm> I make do with 500GB USB drives hooked up to the revo
[10:48] <popey> Ok, having looked at ddwrt, it looks very cool
[10:48] <popey> bigcalm: lemme know how much you want for it
[10:48] <dwatkins> gord: if Linux had a way to automatically detect disks like the Drobo, it would be awesome
[10:48] <Myrtti> I'll just hook up my harddrives to a device with USB and let the device do the sharing
[10:48] <popey> dwatkins: it kinda does :D
[10:48] <dwatkins> popey: ooooh
[10:48] <popey> dwatkins: sata hotswap is possible
[10:49] <popey> and you can script detection of disks with udev etc
[10:49] <dwatkins> Does that mean you can implement a Drobo in Ubuntu with no need to go to the commandline when replacing a drive?
[10:49] <popey> to do stuff like add it to an array
[10:50] <aquarius> aren't the drobos not very good? popey, you had problems with yours, did you not?
[10:50] <aquarius> I quite like the idea of a nas that can download stuff by itself; torrents and whatnot
[10:51] <popey> i did have a bit
[10:51] <aquarius> my one can in theory, but it just doesn't work :)
[10:52] <dwatkins> My current NAS is an old ASUS Eee 901 netbook with a large USB disk attached to it.
[10:52] <gord> i have a little mini-itx without raid right now that downloads torrents and also filters my email as well as being a NAS, its nice to have that
[10:52]  * dwatkins is reminded to check to see if his little netbook has managed to finish rendering the 1280x800 Companion cube desktop background he left it doing
[10:53] <dwatkins> wow: Render Time:   8 hours  1 minutes
[10:54] <MooDoo> dwatkins, what app you using? povray? ;)
[10:54] <dwatkins> MooDoo: yeah
[10:54] <MooDoo> awesome :D
[10:57] <dwatkins> Yeah, it's nice that you can script it, as I'm terrible with 3D GUIs.
[11:06] <davmor2> popey: try something other than the ipad it might be sucky antenna in the ipad rather than the router it will at least rule that out first
[11:08] <popey> davmor2: i have tried other devices too
[11:10] <davmor2> popey: meh I found some devices had much better reception than others so figured it might be worth pointing out
[11:10] <popey> oh sure
[11:10] <popey> and some do work better than others
[11:11] <popey> but sadly I'm at the opposite end of the house with no reception
[11:11] <davmor2> popey: that sucks
[11:11] <popey> I even put a powerline ethernet adapter plugged into the wall next to my bed and plugged an access point into it :D
[11:13] <davmor2> I get wifi from my router across the road or in the car in the carpark the other end of the flat and the router is on the 4th floor so that is just sucky and my router is the cheapest I could get my hands on that had n builtin so about £30-40 I got tired of paying lots for branded ones that died
[11:14] <kvarley> Doing cp -r * /home/kvarley/Pictures/ from my sd card copies with it the DCIM and other camera folders. How can I copy files recursively without keeping the folder structure intact?
[11:15] <kvarley> For example there is DCIM > 100PANA > files here and I just want to copy all the files without the cp command keeping the DCIM and 100PANA subdirectories
[11:15] <popey> cp -r DCIM/100PANA/* /home/kvarley/Pictures/
[11:16] <kvarley> popey: Thanks once again =)
[11:17] <kvarley> popey: I'd missed the forward slashes to end the paths
[11:19] <exobuzz> hi popey
[11:20] <popey> hey exobuzz !
[11:28] <dwatkins> MooDoo: http://rowla.dyndns.org/gallery/v/blog/weighted_companion_cube_001.png.html
[11:28] <dwatkins> I'll probably rename that to "lots of companion cubes" or something similar, but it's just a test image for now.
[11:29] <MooDoo> dwatkins, did you code that yourself or use a gui?
[11:29] <dwatkins> MooDoo: someone gave me the scene file for a single cube, I just used it to make a macro and some loops so far.
[11:29] <MooDoo> nice
[11:30] <dwatkins> I asked this guy for his source: http://benedek.tspace.nl/?p=117
[11:30] <MooDoo> dwatkins, wait till you can do this - http://hof.povray.org/mouille.html
[11:30] <dwatkins> MooDoo: yeah, that one is amazing
[11:31] <MooDoo> hof.povray.org
[11:31] <dwatkins> I have perused it with awe in the past, yeah :)
[11:33] <MooDoo> :)
[11:33] <MooDoo> dwatkins, moray is a good frontend if you needed one :D
[11:34] <MooDoo> am i telling you how to suck eggs? lol
[11:34] <MooDoo> oh it's stopped dev
[11:34] <dwatkins> hehe, I've never used a front-end to Povray, so it's interesting to know about those, but I had seen the hall of fame before - not checked it for a while, though, so thanks for reminding me :)
[11:43] <MooDoo> you're welcome :D
[11:44] <MooDoo> first time i used povray was on a 486 without the DX part and it took 23 hours to render a pawn :D
[11:44] <MooDoo> those were the days :D
[11:52] <dwatkins> oh yeah, I was lucky enough to have a 486 DX2 66, and it felt fast until my friends got Pentiums and Quake came out - I could only run the game in a postage-stamp sized window
[11:53] <MooDoo> dwatkins, wolfenstein :D
[11:53] <dwatkins> I grew up with a BBC Micro, so even Wolfenstein was awesome 3D graphics to me ;)
[11:54] <MooDoo> dwatkins, then you may remember frak :D
[11:54] <MooDoo> or chuckie egg :D
[11:54] <dwatkins> both very well, yes - I have beebem now for nostalgia :)
[11:55] <MooDoo> awesome
[11:56] <MooDoo> ooo AlanBell i see your presenting tonight, community week
[11:57] <directhex> pfft, bbc b
[11:57] <directhex> toff
[11:57] <directhex> no real people could afford a beeb
[11:58]  * daubers has almost managed to wedge an atom board into his spectrum
[12:00] <davmor2> daubers: mis-read that as atom bomb couldn't understand why you would want to do that :D
[12:00] <daubers> davmor2: Customs would never suspect that!
[12:03] <exobuzz> did someone say chuckie egg? love that game
[12:04] <exobuzz> bbc version was very decent
[12:07]  * MartijnVdS listens to this morning's Fry's English Delight
[12:11] <exobuzz> i got drunk with the creator of chuckie egg back in 2001 or so. was good fun. met him in the pub outside of xcom 2001 event
[12:12] <exobuzz> (nigel alderton)
[12:12] <popey> heh
[12:14] <exobuzz> i cant find a reference to the event now. maybe it was xcon or something. mym memory sucks
[12:17] <kaushal> hi
[12:17] <kaushal> is there an application to extract text from image available in Ubuntu ?
[12:17] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: it's called 'OCR'
[12:17] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: (the thing you want to do)
[12:17] <kaushal> ok
[12:17] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: search for that in the software centre
[12:17] <kaushal> ok
[12:18] <exobuzz> kaushal, http://www.splitbrain.org/blog/2010-06/15-linux_ocr_software_comparison
[12:19] <exobuzz> for free software http://code.google.com/p/tesseract-ocr/ seems to do best in their test case
[12:20] <Myrtti> patience is a virtue too.
[12:21] <Myrtti> I'm not too keen on seeing the same question here within one minute after asking it on #ubuntu, kaushal
[12:23] <dogmatic69> http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=extract+text+from+images
[12:26] <exobuzz> popey, regarding a facebook thing you wrote, in terms of "best" what are you looking for with the access point? and how much do you want to spend etc ?
[12:28] <exobuzz> cheapest route would surely be wireless n access point and then a gigabit switch separately
[12:30] <popey> yeah, looking at which specific wireless n access point is best
[12:30] <exobuzz> in terms of power output ?
[12:30] <exobuzz> i mean you can spend from £20 up to £lots
[12:31] <popey> in terms of "best" :D
[12:31] <exobuzz> lol
[12:32] <shauno> I'll get booted for this one, but I like my apple routers :)  snmp & ipv6 out of the box, disk & printer sharing built in, etc
[12:32] <exobuzz> here's a start . cheaper ones are all 10/100 but a gigabit switch is cheap so it might be better to get two units anyway http://www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk/Shop/ShopSearch.asp?CategoryID=416&Sort=3
[12:32] <popey> shauno: you're not the first to suggest apple airport extreme
[12:32] <popey> exobuzz: i dont want a separate GbE switch
[12:33] <exobuzz> when you say printer sharing are you talking about usb ?
[12:33] <popey> hence specifically saying that I want a wifi access point with GbE built in
[12:33] <shauno> yeah
[12:33] <exobuzz> popey, then you are going to have to spend more than £50 no doubt
[12:33] <popey> yeah
[12:33] <popey> money isnt the driver
[12:33] <popey> "best" is :D
[12:34] <gord> if its good enough, you save money anyway as you won't be buying a new one in a year ;)
[12:35] <exobuzz> well. i have no idea what best is. i mean, best for one thing might not be best for another.  :)
[12:35] <shauno> popey: two things to be aware of with the apple ones tho.  they're only configurable via their tool, not by a web frontend on the box itself.  and it needs to rebooted for every single silly little change you make.  which is annoying
[12:35] <popey> erk
[12:35] <popey> yeah you do exobuzz
[12:36] <exobuzz> not really. but anyway there are some gigabit ones on that page you could hunt down some reviews for em
[12:37] <Myrtti> belkin had some fairly nice looking boxes
[12:37] <Myrtti> don't know how good they are tho
[12:38] <gord> not good
[12:38] <gord> at least the one i have isn't, the router firmware is terrible
[12:38]  * MartijnVdS has a Fritz! 7340 ADSL modem/router
[12:38] <gord> restart after every setting you change, if not the entire box at least your connection and the routing sucks
[12:38] <MartijnVdS> and it's amazon
[12:38] <MartijnVdS> amazing*
[12:38] <popey> so far people have suggested tp link, netgear, cisco linksys and apple
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> Coworker has the 7390 (connected to 100mbit fibre connection) and it's also great
[12:39] <gord> i'v enjoyed netgear firmware before
[12:39] <davmor2> gord: which router is that?
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> and they don't need a reboot for every change
[12:39] <gord> davmor2, adsl version of http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/4-/8135054/Belkin-F5D8236uk4-N-Wireless-Cable-DSL-Internet-Gateway-Router/Product.html
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> they work with DSL and/or a network connection ("WAN" ethernet port)
[12:39] <shauno> that's what bugs me most with the apple ones.  Apply & Reboot are the same thing.
[12:40] <davmor2> gord: gave up on belkins after frying 2 the netgear they didn't do much better :(
[12:40] <davmor2> s/2 the/2 then
[12:41] <gord> i guess really the best option is using one of those open source firmwares with a router that works great with it
[12:42] <exobuzz> popey, do you need qos? how many ports do you want? dual band ?
[12:42] <gord> i'll let popey take the risk and just get what he gets ;)
[12:43] <exobuzz> what sort of range? you can pay more for ones with better coverage etc
[12:44] <MartijnVdS> The Fritz! has concurrent dualband 802.11n
[12:44] <MartijnVdS> and USB ports for disks
[12:44] <exobuzz> yeh, if you need usb ports also thats another thing
[12:44] <MartijnVdS> http://www.avm.de/en/Produkte/FRITZBox/FRITZ_Box_Fon_WLAN_7390/index.php
[12:44] <popey> gord: the cisco linksys one apparently runs ddwrt fine
[12:44] <exobuzz> my printer is on ethernet under the stairs.  big (but cheap) color laser
[12:44] <popey> according to bigcalm :D
[12:45] <popey> exobuzz: nope, none of those things are required
[12:45] <exobuzz> how many ethernet ports though ?
[12:49] <diplo> Just grabbing end of this convo, but didn't linksys or similair support ddwrt and helped with some issues ?
[12:55]  * bigcalm returns to read up
[12:55] <bigcalm> My ears are burning
[12:56] <MooDoo> shhhhh bigcalm is rubbish
[12:56] <MooDoo> bigcalm, dont know what you mean :D
[13:04] <popey> exobuzz: there is no hard requirement for multiple ethernet ports
[13:04] <popey> hence not specifying it :D
[13:07] <bigcalm> MooDoo: this has been known for a very long time :P
[13:09] <MooDoo> bigcalm, i'm joking of course :D
[13:11] <bigcalm> :P
[13:12]  * bigcalm wipes away a tear
[13:12] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod hello
[13:13] <MooDoo> davmor2, czajkowski prod hello :)
[13:13] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Paul Mellors] Ubuntu Community Week - http://paulmellors.blogspot.com/2011/07/ubuntu-community-week.html
[13:13] <davmor2> MooDoo: hello you spanner ;)
[13:13] <popey> i thought MooDoo ran fedora
[13:13] <popey> or is it windows today
[13:14] <MooDoo> popey, at work i run fedora, on one of my servers at home it's windows 2008 server, my wife runs windows 7 and i, on my laptop run Natty
[13:15] <MooDoo> popey, where did that comment come from ?
[13:17] <MooDoo> popey, after i bigged you up on my post as well ;) lol
[13:17] <gord> hehe "bigged you up"
[13:17] <MooDoo> you all knoiw what i mean :D
[13:18] <popey> I am not sure anyone has ever "bigged" me up ☺
[13:18] <MooDoo> does "bigged" mean something i'm not aware of then :) lol
[13:19] <popey> It means you're probably not over 35, and probably come from the ghetto.
[13:19] <Laney> "Spare Time for You to Read "The Art of Community" haha
[13:19] <MooDoo> must be time for me to grow up as i'm past 35 lol
[13:19] <popey> :D
[13:19] <popey> yeah, that made me chuckle Laney
[13:20] <Laney> man 35 is sooooooo old, alright gramps?
[13:20]  * popey gets his ear trumpet
[13:20] <popey> Hmmm?
[13:20] <popey> get off my lawn!
[13:20]  * DJones noticed the ageism creeping into the channel
[13:20] <Laney> DJones: don't worry, i've got plenty of werthers
[13:20] <Laney> they love that
[13:20]  * MooDoo is 40 next year :( :S
[13:21] <popey> same here
[13:21] <DJones> 40 next year....Kids today :)
[13:21] <popey> shhh! he's back
[13:21] <popey> heh
[13:21] <Laney> 26 next year :'(
[13:21] <MooDoo> ubuntu uk 40th i think :)
[13:22] <Laney> it means i am no longer 18-25 and therefore must be mature
[13:22]  * daubers looks confused
[13:22]  * Laney gives daubers a beano
[13:23] <daubers> \o/
[13:23] <davmor2> MooDoo: You're a big bloke and we ain't killing ourselves giving you the bumps, so we'll just push you off the roof of a high building okay ;)
[13:23] <daubers> Everyone we know loves the beano!
[13:23] <hippychick> afternoon everyone
[13:23] <oimon> i caught myself telling people i'm 35, but i've been 36 for about 4-5 months
[13:23] <oimon> :S
[13:23]  * MartijnVdS wonders where to buy stroopwafels in bulk
[13:23] <dwatkins> From the stroopwafels manufacturer, MartijnVdS?
[13:23] <Laney> oh man, I /love/ those
[13:23] <oimon> i haven't corrected myself yet though, i just careful not to say it while wifey is in earshot
[13:23] <dwatkins> They are lovely with a nice cup of tea.
[13:23] <MooDoo> davmor2, you calling me fat?
[13:23] <Laney> they have something quite similar in lidl
[13:24] <davmor2> MooDoo: no I said big :P
[13:24] <daubers> Oooh tea
[13:24] <daubers> Need to get some nice tea for oggcamp
[13:24] <MooDoo> davmor2, hee hee :D   i might have to come to london for beers next year :)
[13:25] <Daviey> MooDoo: I went to your blog, but i need to increase my screen resolution to read the content due to it being pushed offscreen by the adverts.
[13:25] <JGJones> Bah, I'm 21.
[13:25] <MooDoo> Daviey, yeah sorry i'm just in the process of removing all the <insert offensive work> off it
[13:25] <JGJones> Have been for the last 12 years now.
[13:25]  * daubers will be 26 this year :(
[13:26]  * MartijnVdS will be 31 :(
[13:26] <gord> i still sometimes put 23 in to forms and such, brain can't accept i ever passed that age
[13:26]  * hippychick is 23
[13:26] <MooDoo> Daviey, i've removed the rubish banners, should be a little smaller now, i hope
[13:26] <davmor2> MooDoo: When I were lad we had to make do with cardboard box to live in......youngsters today you tell them that and do they believe you do they bol.....
[13:27] <Daviey> MooDoo: perfect!
[13:27]  * hippychick is finding it difficult to type on the laptop with a ferret asleep over it...
[13:27] <MooDoo> Daviey, there are just a lot of ubuntu banners and things at the bottom of the page :)
[13:28] <MartijnVdS> hippychick: eat ferret, done :)
[13:29] <hippychick> MartijnVdS, i cant eat him!!! even though he does look scummy...
[13:29] <MartijnVdS> hippychick: I'm not a pet person, can you tell? :)
[13:29] <popey> Daviey: there are adverts on MooDoo's blog?
[13:29] <popey> I haven't seen them :D
[13:30] <hippychick> MartijnVdS, aww, but he is sweet, only 8 weeks old bless him
[13:30] <MooDoo> i've removed them....i was experimenting
[13:30] <davmor2> popey: switch off adblock and try again
[13:30] <Daviey> popey: don't make me whip out my squid filtering on you!
[13:32] <MooDoo> ok blog - 100% less clutter on it
[13:33] <popey> hah
[13:33] <Daviey> is that possible?
[13:33] <MooDoo> yeah i took of all the adverts and things that were calling other stuff from external locations
[13:33] <Daviey> clutter being subjective.
[13:33] <davmor2> MooDoo: you still posting stuff to it?  if so you only got rid of the commercial clutter ;)
[13:34]  * popey declutters the channel
[13:34] <MooDoo> davmor2, /me makes a mental note to check blog before posting anything to the planet site......
[13:34] <popey>  /kick daviey
[13:34] <Daviey> I could make my blog less cluttered, but then it would be less useful http://blog.daviey.com
[13:35] <MooDoo> lol
[13:35] <Laney> incisive
[13:35] <oimon> it's really difficult to read static text on the web when there are animated ads
[13:37] <oimon> it's a shame, because sites i like to support by disabling adblock seem to employ it a lot :(
[13:41] <gord> oimon, turn off animated gifs in firefox?
[13:41] <gord> they'll still show, but not animate
[13:42] <MartijnVdS> you can press ESC and they'll stop animating
[13:45] <oimon> gord: i think they are flash..maybe flashblock is better
[13:45] <gord> i flashblock everything, adblock sites by default and remove adblock if i use them often
[13:46] <bigcalm> Can you feed wget a file of URLs and it'll leech them one by one?
[13:48] <oimon> hmm chromium doesn't seem to have option to diable animation of gifs
[13:48] <hamitron> bigcalm: the -i arguement
[13:48] <hamitron> iirc
[13:48] <bigcalm> That simple? :)
[13:48]  * bigcalm gives it a go
[13:48] <hamitron> wget -h
[13:48] <dwatkins> lynx --dump ;)
[13:54] <bigcalm> Humm, all of the URLs end in /download, so all of the files as being saved as download.n
[13:54] <bigcalm> Grumble
[13:55] <bigcalm> The download links in the browser save as propper filenames
[13:55] <davmor2> MooDoo: hahahahahahhaahah  yeah knock off the windows ads ;)
[13:57] <popey> heh
[14:00] <exobuzz> popey, so access point with 1 ethernet would suffice? because in that case why would you need gigabit for example?
[14:01] <popey> exobuzz: because access points can go faster than 100Mb/s
[14:02] <exobuzz> i doubt you would get over 100mbit
[14:02] <popey> why?
[14:03] <Myrtti> if the aim was to chain two accesspoints, and transfer data between devices connected to each, then I'm sure they'd go about gigabit speed
[14:04] <exobuzz> i dont have wireless N but, i think 100mbit would be fairly optimistic perhaps. i could be wrong. isnt the reported wireless speed the addition of both upstream and downstream combined anyway, so even 150mbit wireless N at theoretical max would fit within 100mbit ethernet speeds
[14:04] <gord> erm
[14:04] <gord> my wireless N device is currently connected at 121MB/s
[14:04] <gord> just fyi
[14:04] <MooDoo> davmor2, no more ads on my site.
[14:04] <gord> 150 now
[14:04] <exobuzz> gord, actual speed test is better than connected speed
[14:05] <exobuzz> the connected speed doesnt mean a great deal
[14:05] <exobuzz> benchmark a transfer
[14:07] <exobuzz> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/802.11n-wireless-router-access-point,2605-13.html
[14:08] <exobuzz> perhaps they is that mbit or megabyte hmm.. 80 megabyte seems a little too much :)
[14:08] <exobuzz> -perhaps they
[14:08] <dwatkins> I complained to BT about my ADSL speed, they sent me a link to their own speed test with a Java applet.
[14:09] <exobuzz> its megabits ok
[14:09] <exobuzz> so 80mbit being the fastest in their tests
[14:09] <Kirrus> Does anyone know of a good, encrypted, password manager that can handle being copied around multiple machines, or has a server component that stores them?
[14:10] <shauno> I think gige is a fairly sane requirement.  I consider 100mbit legacy, and legacy isn't something I expect when looking for 'best in class' equipment
[14:10] <bigcalm> This is what we like to see :) 149,145,629 3.87M/s   in 38s
[14:10] <exobuzz> shauno, but it doesnt matter if you have a access point that will never do more than 100mbit with a single port
[14:10] <exobuzz> shauno, i mean, paying for something that you cant use otherwise
[14:10] <bigcalm> Though I'm sure Soundcloud will clobber my connection at some point. 151 files to leech
[14:11] <shauno> why not? my isp offers 100mbit.  what happens when they offer more? I replace that money-no-object router?
[14:11] <exobuzz> shauno, access point. not router.
[14:11] <shauno> they're the same thing in my house
[14:11] <exobuzz> whats that got to do with it.
[14:11] <exobuzz> i said access point with a single port. i didnt say router
[14:12] <exobuzz> and anyway.. with adsl router. it would be fine with 100mbit if you didnt require lan gigabit, depends on what sort of connection you have in terms of technology
[14:13] <popey> Kirrus: keepass
[14:13] <popey> Kirrus: database held on spideroak sync'ed folder
[14:13] <bigcalm> There we go, now getting about 70K/s from soundcloud
[14:13] <exobuzz> the reason im talking about this, is to clarify the issue of wireless N speeds and whether you need faster than 100mbit to handle it. and from my research you dont really
[14:13] <bigcalm> My bad :)
[14:14] <Kirrus> cheers popey
[14:14] <popey> np
[14:14] <exobuzz> and if popey didn't need the gigabit ethernet as part of his lan (access point with single ethernet port), then he would have a wider choice of hardware and so on.
[14:15] <popey> I'd rather the bottleneck wasn't 100Mb ethernet
[14:15] <popey> I have GbE, I'd like to use it
[14:16] <exobuzz> sure, but it wouldnt be.. i cant find a single person who has done real 100mbit speeds
[14:16] <exobuzz> if your wireless n can only do 80mbit, the 100mbit isnt a bottleneck, and the gigabit ethernet would just be wasted in this case. of a multiport device, there is more reason to use gigabit of course
[14:18] <exobuzz> i think thats the reason why so many wireless n access points dont have gigabit. they dont need it
[14:18]  * daubers really want's to get a decent WAP and get rid of the combined router/access point
[14:18] <daubers> they're all more or less junk these days
[14:19] <exobuzz> i prefer single devices that do their job well over all in ones
[14:19] <exobuzz> also annoying if you get an expensive adsl router with lots of stuff, and then you switch to something otehr than adsl or so
[14:21] <exobuzz> i mostly use gigabit wired connections around the house. couple of 5 port gigabit switches, but there are some bits of the network on 100 still such as a pc, xbox1 and the main adsl router
[14:22] <exobuzz> my amiga 4000 has 10mbit to 100mbit part of the network. it cant even max out the 10mbit though. and my a1200 does about 2mbit ;-)
[14:22] <exobuzz> my a500 does 20KB/second over parallel port (magplip)
[14:22] <shauno> I tihnk the only ethernet devices I have left that aren't gige, are my modem and my ups
[14:23] <DJones> It lives....http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_C64.aspx and supplier with Ubuntu 10.10 ready to install
[14:24] <exobuzz> DJones, i can think of a nicer case for a miniitx board mind, although i loike the c64 breadbin case, i prefer it with a real c64 inside..
[14:25] <exobuzz> pricey too, although i guess thats due to the small numbers..
[14:26] <DJones> I wonder what games designers would have done with 2gb of memory on a C64 :)
[14:26] <daubers> DJones: Supplied you with hundreds of floppy disks to use it?
[14:27] <DJones> daubers: Heh, I like that idea
[14:27] <exobuzz> DJones, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdUzJL5XqBQ ?
[14:27] <DJones> I wonder how much data you could store a C90 cassette tape
[14:28] <exobuzz> real action starts at 2:20
[14:28] <shauno> I wonder how on earth an 8bit would address 2Gb :)
[14:29] <exobuzz> demo with data streamed from 16MB REU (actually 1541 ultimate card)
[14:29] <exobuzz> ok not 2gb but
[14:30] <shauno> (altho 256 pages on a 16bit bus gives 256*64k.  16Mb would be nothing to sniff at for an 8bit ;)
[14:34] <bigcalm> Rick Rolled :'(
[14:35] <exobuzz> hehe
[14:35] <bigcalm> Thing is, I don't mind that track
[14:35] <exobuzz> <3 music from demo scener 4-mat (and he codes too!) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h15lmJQkdhg - love the tune in this one (mostly in part2)
[14:35] <exobuzz> <3 c64
[14:40] <bigcalm> There is a lot of magic stuff to be found on the youtubes
[14:41] <exobuzz> yeh
[14:41] <exobuzz> how about a new version of space harrier on the old atari 8 bitters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B-_6-RuJR0 - pretty impressive stuff
[14:42] <DJones> If anybody is interested in a cheap tablet, Asda are selling old spec & model Archos machines for < £100 http://www.reghardware.com/2011/07/18/asda_offloads_affordable_fondleslab/
[14:45] <matti> DJones: Nice.
[14:45] <exobuzz> thats cheap
[14:46] <dwatkins> DJones: without looking, I would be willing to bet a smartie or two that it only runs Android 2.1 ;)
[14:46] <bigcalm> Think I'll stick with my Kogan Agora (which I'm not really using either)
[14:46] <bigcalm> dwatkins: you get 2 smarties
[14:46] <dwatkins> woohoo!
[14:47] <exobuzz> still not as cheap as a joggler .. although perhaps more useful for some tasks. hehe
[14:47] <DJones> dwatkins: From memory, I think it might even pre android 2.1
[14:47]  * popey hugs ipad
[14:47] <bigcalm> exobuzz: I'm tempted to make a wee stand for my Kogan tablet so that it can replace the Joggler at my bedside
[14:47] <dwatkins> DJones: "...running an outdated OS, Android 2.1 Éclair, on an 800 x 600 resistive touchscreen."
[14:47] <bigcalm> ¬.¬
[14:47] <bigcalm> exobuzz: I'm tempted to make a wee stand for my Kogan tablet so that it can replace the Joggler at my bedside
[14:48] <dwatkins> I still can't believe the guy on hack-a-day who built a tablet from scratch.
[14:48] <exobuzz> i flinced when popey hugged his ipad and accidently closed the window
[14:48] <exobuzz> bigcalm, i dont know that device. ill have to look it up
[14:48] <DJones> dwatkins: I hadn't read the full article, was just from what I thought I'd rememebred from originally looking at them
[14:49] <dwatkins> aha I see DJones :)
[14:50] <exobuzz> bigcalm, my joggler does the job nicely in my kitchen and by the bed. in the bed i use xbmc and music/radio etc which it does well.
[14:50] <exobuzz> only the touchscreen is slightly dodgy. could be more accurate. but im still pleased with how it has been overall
[14:50] <popey> dwatkins: link?
[14:50] <exobuzz> wasnt ben heck was it ? although he would make a c64 tablet or something heh
[14:51] <dwatkins> popey: http://hackaday.com/2011/07/17/dont-buy-an-ipad-make-one/
[14:51] <dwatkins> exobuzz: he's pretty amazing too
[14:53] <exobuzz> yeh.. makes me jealous seeing what he can do
[15:00] <popey> blimey
[15:05] <bigcalm> That was good
[15:06] <MooDoo> no you know where your knocks ofs come from :D
[15:12] <bigcalm> It's all just him!
[15:17]  * daubers ponders removing 16 LDRs and one multiplexer from his circuit diagram
[15:46] <diplo> Canonical guys, what is the text editor you guys use that you share / edit at the same time ?
[15:46] <diplo> Can't remember for life of me atm
[15:46] <diplo> And my goo foo is sucking
[15:47] <Laney> etherpad
[15:47] <Laney> (~notcanonical)
[15:47] <diplo> nah, think it may be gobby ?
[15:47] <diplo> just found it after asking
[15:48] <diplo> gobby
[15:49] <gord> no one uses gobby anymore
[15:49] <gord> its terribad
[15:50] <diplo> What is the bad part of it, only want it for a quick edit
[15:50] <gord> it will sometimes lose everyones documents
[15:50] <gord> which is pretty bad
[15:51] <gord> etherpad is much better, or google docs if you wanted to use that
[15:51] <diplo> Can't execute those after changing though
[15:51] <oimon> guys, do nvidia cards  have any major known problems with 11.04?
[15:51] <diplo> But those do sound like some bad bugs
[15:53] <gord> oimon, 7100 sucks and is buggy, the rest should be fine
[15:53] <oimon> gord, it's an onboard 6150 geforce :-\
[15:53] <oimon> can't really afford to buy a proper card, and usually run 10.04, which runs great
[15:54] <gord> oimon, oh, good luck :)
[15:54] <gord> worst comes to worst, you use the classic session, will work fine
[15:54] <oimon> oh, i will use classic for sure
[15:55] <oimon> unity is not compatible with my brain unfortunately
[15:55] <gord> oh if your not using unity then you shouldn't be worried, your just using 2d acceleration basically
[15:55] <gord> put pixel here!
[16:12] <gord> new gwibber is nice :)
[16:12] <gord> had it running a few weeks ago, but i'm using it for the first time proper day to day now :)
[16:13] <brobostigon> afternoonings everyone.
[16:13] <MartijnVdS> howdy brobostigon
[16:13] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: hi.
[16:16] <brobostigon> :)
[16:16]  * MartijnVdS waits for the oven to heat up sufficiently
[16:16] <MartijnVdS> *beeps*
[16:17] <brobostigon> yummy, foodz.
[16:17] <bigcalm> Moar coffee!
[16:18] <brobostigon> nice beer please, <-----
[16:31] <bigcalm> Wow, 7.30pm
[16:31] <bigcalm> What an unproductive day
[16:42] <czajkowski> bigcalm: 5:40
[16:42] <bigcalm> czajkowski: getting things done now
[19:04] <kappa> have problem for install ubuntu in netbook acer for so win7 and android
[19:18] <ali1234> it's too quiet in here
[19:18] <MartijnVdS> WHAT?
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> I CAN'T HEAR YOU IT'S TOO QUIET
[19:19] <suprengr> boo!
[19:52] <czajkowski> http://randall.executiv.es/ucw_oneiric_11
[19:52] <czajkowski> http://randall.executiv.es/ucw_oneiric_18
[19:59] <AlanBell> its all about you you you ;)
[20:17] <daubers> evening
[20:17] <ali1234> never mind the 2d version finished... i want to see the 3d version finished
[20:24] <popey> heh ali1234
[20:25] <bigcalm_lappy486> Yo
[20:25] <hippychick> hello
[20:35] <ali1234> popey: jorge's answer didn't really satisfy me, but thanks for trying :)
[20:35] <ali1234> btw i am still using unity, i haven't given up yet
[20:36] <ali1234> every day i hit the same annoying bugs
[21:24] <Azelphur> is there any way to tell what's causing load averages to spike?
[21:25] <Azelphur> I can't see anything special in iotop or top, but sometimes my load averages spike really high and then go down
[21:25] <Azelphur> and it takes like 30 seconds just to get an ssh connection
[21:34] <zleap> Azelphur, can you display system monitor in the task bar thing at the top, one of the options is load average,  you may be able to see when it spikes and relate that to what you are doing at the time
[21:34] <Azelphur> this is a server, so no GUI
[21:35] <zleap> ok
[21:36] <brobostigon> top ?
[21:36] <AlanBell> htop
[21:36] <brobostigon> :)
[21:37] <zleap> http://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/how-to-monitor-your-system-performance-in-ubuntu-linux/
[21:37] <zleap> check out that page, scroll down it refers to a program called saidar
[21:37] <zleap> which seems to do the same as the monitor program but for the console
[21:38] <Azelphur> http://thesun.co.uk
[21:38] <Azelphur> lmao, LulzSec strikes again \o/
[21:40] <zleap> lol i thought they had disbanded
[21:41] <zleap> or were going to
[21:41] <Azelphur> me too, guess they got bored again
[21:42] <zleap> lol,  so is saidar what you are looking for
[23:38] <CarlosRonceros> Is it worth going for the ubuntu professional training?