[02:15] catch you all later... [06:22] morning all [06:24] morning kbmonkey [07:10] aloha [07:15] hi morgs [07:15] hi superfly [07:24] morning superfly and others [07:25] hi sdehaan kbmonkey [07:26] morning Kilos [07:26] lo nuvolari [07:30] * Kilos wonders where the daytime apie is [07:31] Maaz, coffee on [07:31] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [07:35] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [07:35] Maaz, ty [07:35] Enjoy Kilos [07:35] Maaz, weather in pretoria south africa [07:35] Kilos: That didn't seem to agree with me [07:35] eish wassup maaz? [07:42] morning Kilos my friend! [07:43] you well kbmonkey [07:43] i just collected my passport from home affairs :) [07:43] cold here [07:43] yay [07:43] yes cold but sunny [07:45] die koffie help maar warm hou! [07:45] kbmonkey: how long did it take? [07:47] not long, i waiting about 2 weeks after application superfly [07:47] that time of the season, there are no queues yet ;) [07:48] also lgha revised their process and its much faster now [07:48] surprisingly... someone there does have some brains [07:48] lol [07:48] yeah mine wasnt bad either [07:49] just the visa taking forever [07:51] kbmonkey: yeah, they've really upped their game recently [07:52] kbmonkey: I've been waiting about 3 weeks now for my son's passport [07:52] I'll give them a call next week maybe [07:52] where do you wanna go superfly [07:52] Kilos: Die VSA [07:52] ?? [07:53] The USA [07:53] ah for a holiday [07:54] good :) [07:54] I want to go to london for a holiday [07:54] eish. thats even colder kbmonkey [07:55] Kilos: yeah, to visit the family [07:55] wow you have family there? [07:55] Kilos: mrs_fly is American, remember [07:56] oh yes. sorry man [07:56] Canada is another place I'd like to visit [07:57] talking about that what happened to mrs_fly here [07:57] kbmonkey, go work for Symmetria they see the world [07:57] have family in Germany, maybe Ill swing by there :) [07:58] Das ist gut [07:58] zehr gut [07:59] i also have fam there but dont even know them [08:00] now it's the Visa to sort out [08:00] but I have to study now, until later geeks [08:01] thats the time consumer unless they can see how much money you are gonna spend there [08:02] i think ian said they wanna see 30k eu $ [08:03] that's a lot of dosh [08:03] yip [08:04] i will ask him again [08:04] wonder if it also depends on your income [08:04] could be yes [08:05] im totally lost with all this visa stuff [08:06] but think i made a political booboo years ago thats affecting my visa app [08:06] lol. the part in my blog i couldnt expand on [08:10] that sounds mysterious Kilos - secrative like a secret agent [08:10] lol [08:11] nee man was net bietjie regs [08:12] if i tell you i will have to kill you [08:12] hehe [08:17] Kilos: oh, I had to restart my server after some upgrades, and I don't think she logged in again... [08:17] oh [08:18] there you go [08:18] mrs_fly, wb [08:20] i watched carte blanche last night on the idiot box and they say there is R17 mill stolen monthly [08:20] sounds kinda much [08:21] copper that is [08:32] hola peeps [08:32] hola nlsthzn [08:35] Hey uncle Kilos ... [08:54] morning oom Kilos nlsthzn superfly kb [08:55] lol [08:55] lo nuvolari [08:56] hey nuvolari [09:18] Maaz: announce #ubuntu-za meeting tonight at 19:30 [09:18] Hear ye, hear ye! #ubuntu-za meeting tonight at 19:30 [09:19] what an anti climax [09:19] inetpro: tumbleweed superfly marcog ^ [09:20] eish, the ubuntu-za calendar keeps changing url or something cause it goes missing from my gcal [09:39] marcog: no gcal url is static. [09:39] drubin: well somehow it falls off my gcal dunno why [09:42] anyway, i don't really have the time to help out today unfortunately got loads of others stuff [10:18] marcog: I pinged people that are normally at the meetings, I will be going straight from work to pub to do irc meeting before #linux beer thing [10:39] Meeting tonight... and beer afterwards... sounds good [10:45] drubin: cool [10:46] :/ can't add this event to the calender... must be because I removed evolution and installed Thunderbird [10:47] Hi the boffins, help asb. die ou toppie. [10:47] My Thunderbird used to sporadically lose the "insert special character" function. [10:48] Since the last update, seems like its lost all the time now. [10:54] Langjan: what kind of special character? [11:05] The ones that I use are mostly the Afrikaans eg two dots on the e or i etc, but the whole function is not working - insert and format commands are grey [11:07] hi there Langjan sorry i know niks about thunderbird [11:07] will compose keys not work there guys or is that only here and evolution etc [11:09] Compose keys should work anywhere, hence my question. If you want kappies and akuut aksents, you should configure compose keys and then you won't have to rely on whatever weird thing Thunderbird does. [11:10] ohy thats good to know [11:12] Langjan, try this link http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1362956 [11:13] Langjan: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ComposeKey [11:13] Kilos: ^^ [11:13] ah ty superfly [11:14] doesnt my link show how to settup compose key [11:15] here we go system - keyboard - options - compose key [11:16] then tick on the little triangle to select which key you want to use [11:22] maybe i got it wrong some. dont see the option to use the windows key [11:27] oh ya. left win [11:28] Can Maaz leave messages for users even if they are on other channels on Freenode? [11:28] yes nl [11:28] grrr [11:28] nlsthzn, [11:29] you just say maaz tell and the nick then your message [11:29] Even if they are not on this channel? [11:29] if they are registered with irc i think so [11:29] nlsthzn: but he will only give them the message if they login to one of the channels he is on [11:29] or freenode at least [11:29] drubin, ah, thought as much... thanks :) [11:53] Thanks kilos & superfly, but these compose keys are as clear as mud to me. What I would like to know is why T bird has deactivated a useful facility. Seems like the more you update the more your hassles... [11:55] Langjan, if you make the left win your compose key and want to make a ô [11:55] you go left win [11:55] Langjan: the compose key is by far the better option, because it applies to ALL your applications, not just one [11:55] then shift 6 [11:56] then the o [11:57] once you have done it a few times it gets easier [12:03] hi Squirm [12:10] is thunderbird better than evolution you gnome guys? [12:11] drubin, hi ** [12:11] grr ^^ [12:17] Kilos, I think so... [12:17] nlsthzn: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell nlsthzn thanks i will keep my eyes open for the 20th" 45 minutes and 59 seconds ago [12:17] lol [12:17] I am using it currently [12:17] :) [12:18] what was the reason for choosing thunderbird over evolution [12:18] Kilos: it's lighter, it only does mail [12:18] my evo works lekker [12:19] O.o what else does evo do then. i only use it for mail [12:19] Thunderbird is so much easier to set up... all it lacks at the moment is integration and Ubuntu one [12:20] Langjan, wb [12:20] Thunderbird is also no longer showing my account settings. Is die ding nou heeltemaal befoeter? [12:21] Langjan: did you close it and re-open it? [12:21] Thunderbird... DonderVoel [12:21] lol [12:21] we need to get Langjan to do backups of all settings [12:22] evo makes lekker backups [12:22] you thunderbird guys must help him [12:23] I did not close it. Did now and the account settings are showing, but still not the insert and format menus. [12:23] Langjan, try the compose key [12:24] it works [12:24] or close your thunderbird and reopen it and check then [12:26] I did, as I said it sorted uot the accounts setings but not the others. Kids are arriving from Cape Town, will chat again later, many thanks === zero is now known as Guest99360 [12:30] lo Guest99360 [12:30] bye guest [12:31] Maaz, coffee on [12:31] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [12:35] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [12:35] Maaz, ty [12:35] Enjoy Kilos === scar[w]_ is now known as scar[w] [12:57] has anyone used icinga? I'm used to nagios, but from what I'm reading icinga could be a better option [12:58] i think icinga is a fork of nagios [12:58] you'd have to ask someone like froz [13:02] scar[w]: yeah, it's the community fork of nagios, but apparently that doesn't make it good... [13:02] yeah fork started in 2009, I never knew nagios had a commercial side to it. I suppose that's why icinga started [13:03] scar[w]: well, I don't know about that... I just know that it had/has one developer who doesn't like to accept patches [13:08] I'm interested in the api icinga provides. I like their logic, but just concerned how it works in practice. I wil do some tests later today. [13:10] scar[w]: you might want to investigate other monitoring software too [13:12] Tried ubuntu in afrikaans... scary funny [13:28] nlsthzn: I tried that too once and I found it incredibly confusing :) [13:29] highvoltage, I would tough it out for the lols if everything played along... but the mixture annoyes me :) [13:29] especially with gnome that does things like order some menus in alphabetical order, so things aren't quite where you're used to finding them [13:30] I'm glad Qt doesn't do that... [13:31] that would mess up the manual for folks using one of my open source apps in their own language [14:02] drubin: thanks for the reminder... unfortunately I can not make it tonight, again [14:40] superfly: indeed. at least it's not in applications just for the main menu. [14:41] superfly: at least I can look at icons when doing something weird like using a chinese desktop, that's also whey I find it really annoying that upstream gnome decided to remove the icons in the preferences menu [14:57] highvoltage: I have to be honest when I say that I think that the Gnome devs don't understand usability [14:57] they remove more and more in a bid to become "simpler" but end up affecting usability [14:58] I remember reading a study done on usability of applications, and they said that icon+text was always the best in terms of usability [15:01] superfly: yep, that's been my experience with users too. and besides that it just looks broken when only one menu doesn't have icons but the rest do [15:01] (at least that's been fixed in gnome 3 fallback mode by not having a "System" menu anymore [15:01] ) [15:22] hometime [15:23] remeber irc meeting tonight! [15:23] *remember [15:28] what time is that nuvolari [15:32] 19:30 [15:32] i might be late [15:32] 11.04 still uses synaptic right? [15:34] don't they all use Synaptic ? [15:34] or rather Synaptic is available for all of them [15:35] but I see aptitude has to be installed now [15:43] hehe [15:43] yea [15:43] thanx [15:52] kewl [15:52] ;) [15:59] http://shinn.me/pictures/temp/P3040033.JPG <=== LOL, cisco packaging at its best [16:02] wow [16:02] overkill much? [16:37] *HRM* how interesting [16:37] sourceforge and mozilla have more connected entries between em on mirror than everything else combined by a mile === apie is now known as kbmonkey [17:13] hello :) [17:13] alo [17:13] ... class in session #ubuntu-classroom [17:13] UDW? [17:14] Oh it's Community week [17:14] reminder: za meet starts in 15-20 mins, still time to grab some tea [17:15] oh crapples I forgot about that again :p [17:15] we don' have a large agenda (or none really) so wont be too bad nlsthzn :) [17:15] heh [17:16] man, reading back on news in years past [17:16] I must just show up :p [17:16] brings back memories [17:16] http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/three-killed-as-blast-rocks-suburban-pretoria-1.50456 <=== I remeber that one very clearly :P [17:16] mainly because it blew out every window in the house I was staying in and brought down all our ceilings [17:21] hi Kilos [17:21] kbmonkey: I am going to make a meeting page on loco.ubuntu.com quickly [17:21] hi maiatoday, okay [17:21] hi kbmonkey couldnt miss the meating [17:21] hiya maiatoday [17:22] good form :] [17:22] lol... I think locos must get away from setting up stuff like that the same day as the meetings :p [17:22] maia is very busy nlsthzn time is never enough [17:23] Sure... but even ubuntu-ae is always doing it on the last moment... [17:23] lol maybe they work too [17:23] it is a loco thing I guess... nothing against the awesome work maiatoday and others are doing [17:24] I would prefer if we did it in advance but I don't have another hand [17:24] luckily kbmonkey reminded us [17:24] i had a bunch of monkeys scale the building and climb in my place today Kilos. [17:25] stole my fruits! monkeys. [17:25] lol you musta felt at home [17:25] at the previous meeting I asked if anyone wants to take over just making sure we get to having the meeting [17:25] oh they not the kb type [17:25] I have failed... I feel ashamed [17:26] * nlsthzn goes away to look for sharp japanese sword [17:26] nlsthzn, ? [17:26] so nlsthzn it really is if there are volunteers to just do some of the admin stuff that would be great [17:26] i will adjust my reminder maiatoday, make it a few days sooner [17:26] I use Google calendar and it emails me a reminder when something is due [17:26] cool that will help and then with the reminder we should really put a place where people can add to the agenda and make the loco page [17:27] yes I usually do too but I have had to trim my email and social media activity to twice a day at the moment [17:27] * nlsthzn likes that [17:28] kbmonkey: I made you the chair on the loco page so lets see how it goes, if the bot won't listen to you I'll help you out [17:28] do we get the date for next meeting on ubuntu-za.org? all dates look wacko for me there [17:28] here is the page: [17:28] http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/138/detail/ [17:28] doesn't someone need to add me to the bot's list of people [17:28] ah... [17:28] so decentralized [17:28] I can't do that I think [17:29] cocooncrash: ^ [17:29] ah thanks tumbleweed :) [17:30] so no agenda maiatoday, how shall we proceed with that [17:30] I'll add some... [17:30] ok I'll just type an agenda here [17:30] Agenda for upcoming meeting: [17:30] 1. review previous meeting [17:30] phew! just in time! [17:30] lol [17:31] 2. discuss how to get volunteers to help out when people are busyu [17:31] 3. feedback on CDs to regions [17:31] what else people? [17:32] did za keep official status? [17:32] yeah [17:32] wait I can add it to the loco page [17:32] :) party [17:32] noted nlsthzn :] [17:33] :) [17:33] woops wesley are we cross posting on the page? [17:33] I'll back off [17:33] sorry people we are just getting our ducks in a row, meeting to start in a few minutes [17:33] I thought you irc them for me to post :/ my bad :] [17:33] yeah that will work, you can update the page [17:33] (im a fast typer as you can see) [17:34] from to little to too many :) [17:34] hehe hi there lost_and_unfound [17:34] :) [17:34] greetings fellow geeks [17:34] hello there [17:34] welcome to ubuntu-za [17:34] ok kbmonkey do you wanna see if Maaz will listen to you? [17:34] okay maiatoday I added a couple more, think that's fine to start [17:35] yeah the agenda looks good [17:35] * lost_and_unfound lurks in the background like a daemon [17:35] oh, the agenda items add in reverse? :/ [17:35] Maaz: start meeting about Ubuntu-ZA monthly meeting [17:35] * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles [17:35] maaz, i am dewald [17:35] queery: Sure [17:35] Maaz I am Maia Grotepass [17:35] maiatoday: Done [17:35] Maaz: I am Stefano Rivera [17:35] tumbleweed: Yessir [17:35] Maaz, I am Neil Oosthuizen [17:35] nlsthzn: Sure [17:36] Maaz, i amj miles sharpe [17:36] Kilos: What? [17:36] :p [17:36] Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman [17:36] superfly: Done [17:36] Maaz, i am Wynand Meijer [17:36] lost_and_unfound: Yessir [17:36] Maaz, I am Wesley Werner [17:36] Maaz, i am miles sharpe [17:36] kbmonkey: Sure [17:36] Kilos: Yessir [17:36] maax: I am the easter bunny [17:37] kbmonkey: I assume you are chairing? [17:37] yes tumbleweed, lets see if Maaz will listen [17:37] kbmonkey: he probably won't but maiatoday or I can repeat anything that he won't hear from you :) [17:37] he should [17:37] * nlsthzn hopes Maaz is going to be his charming self [17:38] http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/138/detail/ [17:38] Maaz, topic review previous minutes [17:38] kbmonkey: You're not the boss of me [17:38] lol [17:38] lol [17:38] I guess not [17:38] Maaz, topic review previous minutes [17:38] Current Topic: review previous minutes [17:38] haha [17:39] kbmonkey, you need to speak with more authority [17:39] kbmonkey ignore the bot, just pretend she is listening I'll just paste what you say after you say it [17:40] ping some of the lurkers to sign in [17:40] * nlsthzn is getting dizzy jumping between the UCW and here... [17:40] highvoltage, you sitting in? [17:40] thanks folks [17:40] the minutes : http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2011-06-20-17-34-15.txt [17:41] okay, last meeting we agreed to organise more task volunteers on the mailing list [17:41] Kilos: kind of listening with half an ear :) [17:41] yay and kbmonkey is doing the meetings [17:41] (at work so I have lots of distractions) [17:41] thanks for helping kbmonkey we'll smooth the hitches [17:41] just tell maaz i am highvoltage [17:42] Maaz: i am highvoltage [17:42] highvoltage: Done [17:42] for attendance count\ [17:42] lol... maybe use your real name highvoltage [17:42] Hodgestar, come on [17:42] so if anybody sees stuff they think should be done, jump in and help out [17:42] lol [17:42] ah I thought highvoltage was my real name :) [17:42] I believe that means via the mailing list, we need people to help out with admin stuff, maiatoday is pretty busy some times [17:42] Maaz: I am Jonathan Carter [17:42] highvoltage: Righto [17:43] maiatoday, how would we know what needs done... maybe some peeps need to blog about it ... like the news team... I helped them out :0 [17:43] sf55, scar[w] log in to the meeting please [17:43] just to confirm, the mailing list will be ubuntu-za@lists.ubuntu.com ? [17:43] I am happy to nominate myself, I am just ignorant about specific tasks, so just email them through to us maiatoday and we'll jump in [17:43] well at the moment I was just doing meetings and wiki and monthly report and queery was doing ubuntu hour and release party [17:44] we don't know the tasks we sortof make them up as we go [17:44] and im ok doing that for now [17:44] roughly based on what we think needs to be done [17:44] play it by ear :) [17:44] okay, if there is any wiki stuff you want done, email that through maiatoday - we'll handle that too [17:44] what I am saying is if anybody wants to do something you don't need to wait for us [17:45] * nlsthzn will do stuff... [17:45] also if anybody is organising anything like an ubuntu hour we can add it on ubuntu-za.org [17:45] please do that at the moment only WC is posting there [17:46] ok I'll take an action to write sub-set list of things we can do [17:46] Maaz, agreed Wesley and Neil to help with more wiki/mailing/admin tasks [17:46] kbmonkey: You're not the boss of me [17:46] hehe [17:46] Maaz, agreed Wesley and Neil to help with more wiki/mailing/admin tasks [17:46] Agreed: Wesley and Neil to help with more wiki/mailing/admin tasks [17:46] \o/ [17:46] just so everyone knows if they have any ideas [17:46] Maaz agreed maiatoday to make a suggestion job jar list on the mailing list [17:46] Agreed: maiatoday to make a suggestion job jar list on the mailing list [17:46] * nlsthzn will have a giggle everytime maaz says that [17:46] ya [17:47] great idea maiatoday [17:47] +1 [17:47] okay, does anybody have anything to add? [17:48] the mailing list... is that ubuntu-za@lists.ubuntu.com ? [17:48] lost_and_unfound: yes [17:48] ta [17:48] correct lost_and_unfound [17:48] are we automatically on the list when we are added on laucnhpad to za/ [17:48] ? [17:49] the URL for the mailing list is https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-za [17:49] nlsthzn: no [17:49] you can subscribe via that link [17:49] * nlsthzn thinks he is not on the mailing list... oh no wait he is... many problems has spammed his inbox [17:50] okay let's move on... [17:50] Maaz, topic Feedback on Ubuntu CD's sent to regions [17:50] kbmonkey: Just do it yourself [17:50] hehe [17:50] Maaz, topic Feedback on Ubuntu CD's sent to regions [17:50] Current Topic: Feedback on Ubuntu CD's sent to regions [17:50] i sent 1 CD and it has been received [17:51] hehe [17:51] Ok I sent the parcels to the people who responded on my list. Some of them arrived I haven't got feedback from everybody yet [17:51] maiatoday: saw your e-mail today, I'll organise collection soon, thanks [17:51] the province of UAE has not received any as of yet... :/ ;) [17:51] Also I am hoping to get some photos so I can make a blog post [17:51] can someone make not of asking cocooncrash to get Maaz working for kbmonkey as well [17:51] ok tumbleweed cool [17:51] To those who received them, we need some photos of your parcel. Or better yet, photos of you handing them out to other people [17:52] I was hoping for just a pic with cd with two hands but anything will be good [17:52]