| lifeless | bryceh: btw - 803012 | 01:27 |
|---|---|---|
| lifeless | bug 803012 | 01:27 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 803012 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "Intel driver incorrectly renders some UI elements" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/803012 | 01:27 |
| lifeless | bryceh: I just saw the same symptoms on my natty nvidia machine | 01:27 |
| lifeless | bryceh: dunno what that means. | 01:27 |
| RAOF | lifeless: Presumably with nouveau? | 01:34 |
| lifeless | RAOF: nup | 01:35 |
| lifeless | proprietary foo | 01:35 |
| RAOF | That's almost certainly a different bug, then? | 01:37 |
| lifeless | dunno | 01:37 |
| lifeless | same symptoms | 01:37 |
| lifeless | wondering if its a userspace issue at heart (classic mode fail?) | 01:37 |
| bryceh | lifeless, so little X code is shared between -nvidia and anything else that if it is the same bug, that points to perhaps something non-X/non-kernel involved | 01:38 |
| bryceh | lifeless, X bugs frustratingly often show identical symptoms on two different drivers but are ultimately very different bugs underneath | 01:39 |
| bryceh | lifeless, probably the right thing to do would be to test oneiric (or a backport of this -intel fix). That would be more definitive. | 01:39 |
| lifeless | k | 01:40 |
| lifeless | hows oneiric fs stability atm ? | 01:40 |
| bryceh | the /run bugs from last week were fairly bad, but that should be solved now | 01:40 |
| RAOF | I haven't hit any fs bugs (barring the /run amazement). AFAIK the ecryptfs bug is gone. | 01:46 |
| bryceh | I put the patch in for natty sru as well, so if you don't want to upgrade yet, should be available in natty-proposed whenever the buildd's are done | 01:48 |
| jasoncwarner_ | bryceh and RAOF ... saw x come down today and I decided to be brave. so far no problems...anything I should be looking for? | 03:11 |
| jasoncwarner_ | and RAOF, I've been using nouveau ever since the rally...no problems to mention... | 03:12 |
| RAOF | jasoncwarner_: Not really; that was just the xorg metapackage. | 03:12 |
| RAOF | jasoncwarner_: Cool. | 03:12 |
| jasoncwarner_ | RAOF nouveau was such a non-issue I forgot I was using it ;) | 03:13 |
| RAOF | The xorg package updated fine? It didn't hit a file conflict in xorg-server? | 03:14 |
| jasoncwarner_ | RAOF: no, everything seemed to go just fine..rebooted and everything...though now I hvae to reboot because I wanted to test nvidia driver again... | 03:16 |
| jasoncwarner_ | be back | 03:16 |
| RAOF | I wonder if that makes my local problem self inflicted :) | 03:17 |
| * RAOF heads off for a run and lunch. | 03:25 | |
| TheMuso | RAOF: hrm seems I got the conflict when updating a chroot here. | 04:33 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/doc/xorg', which is also in package xserver-xorg 1:7.6+7ubuntu2 | 04:33 |
| pitti | Good morning | 04:45 |
| jbicha | hi, could I have someone look at https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/ubuntu/oneiric/transmission/transmission-2.32/+merge/67772 | 04:51 |
| pitti | jbicha: ah, can do | 04:59 |
| pitti | jbicha: hm, current source package's Vcs-Bzr: says that it uses lp:ubuntu/transmission, not the old ubuntu-desktop branch any more | 05:00 |
| pitti | but *shrug*, as long as that one is up to date.. the ubuntu:transmission one will be auto-updated | 05:01 |
| pitti | jbicha: no, lp:~ubuntu-desktop/transmission/ubuntu is outdated, it's for maverick | 05:02 |
| jbicha | pitti: oh, then I think there might be changes I've missed then | 05:03 |
| pitti | I can't remove the old ubuntu-desktop branch unfortunately | 05:04 |
| jbicha | pitti: hmm? | 05:04 |
| jbicha | so I should rebranch off ubuntu:transmission, right? | 05:05 |
| jbicha | the ubuntu-desktop branches are more convenient, except that Launchpad doesn't expect them | 05:06 |
| didrocks | good morning | 05:06 |
| jbicha | didrocks: howdy | 05:07 |
| RAOF | Morning didrocks | 05:07 |
| didrocks | hey jbicha, RAOF! | 05:07 |
| TheMuso | Morning pitti, didrocks. | 05:07 |
| pitti | jbicha: right | 05:07 |
| didrocks | morning TheMuso | 05:08 |
| pitti | hey didrocks | 05:08 |
| didrocks | guten morgen pitti :) | 05:08 |
| pitti | jbicha: sorry for the wasted time :/ | 05:08 |
| pitti | hey TheMuso, how are you? | 05:08 |
| TheMuso | pitti: Not too bad thanks, yourself? | 05:14 |
| pitti | pretty good, thanks | 05:15 |
| bryceh | hey, there's a bug with the xorg metapackage | 05:27 |
| bryceh | looks like the version we got from debian does some symlinking magic which breaks when it gets updated | 05:27 |
| bryceh | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/812665 | 05:28 |
| ubot2 | Ubuntu bug 812665 in xorg "package xorg 1:7.6 7ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/doc/xorg', which is also in package xserver-xorg 1:7.6 7ubuntu2" [Undecided,New] | 05:28 |
| didrocks | session restart, brb | 05:54 |
| RAOF | pitti: bug 812665 looks to be a result of the documentation-linker having a namespace clash. | 05:56 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 812665 in xorg "package xorg 1:7.6 7ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/doc/xorg', which is also in package xserver-xorg 1:7.6 7ubuntu2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/812665 | 05:56 |
| RAOF | The xserver-xorg now ships the documentation in /usr/share/doc/xorg, but the auto-linker has kindly symlinked /usr/share/doc/xorg (in the xorg package) to x11-common. | 05:57 |
| RAOF | With hilarious consequences! | 05:57 |
| pitti | uh, eww indeed | 05:58 |
| pitti | RAOF: but we never symlink entire directories | 05:59 |
| pitti | is that something the xorg package does itself? | 05:59 |
| pitti | because dpkg handles directories specially, pkgbinarymangler only symlinks individual files | 05:59 |
| pitti | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2011-03-03 18:16 /usr/share/doc/xorg -> x11-common | 05:59 |
| pitti | this isn't pkgbinarymangler's doing | 05:59 |
| RAOF | Ah, ok. | 06:02 |
| RAOF | So now I get to work out what *is* symlinking that directory! | 06:03 |
| RAOF | Oh, my. | 06:04 |
| pitti | RAOF: I get teh symlink when building locally without any mangling | 06:06 |
| RAOF | Yeah, it's some crazy-arse preinst magic. | 06:06 |
| pitti | RAOF: how about this: | 06:06 |
| pitti | for p in $$(dh_listpackages -i -N$$t); do \ | 06:06 |
| pitti | rm -rf debian/$$p/usr/share/doc/$$p; \ | 06:06 |
| pitti | ln -s $$t debian/$$p/usr/share/doc/$$p; \ | 06:06 |
| RAOF | Indeed, you have found ite :) | 06:06 |
| pitti | :) | 06:06 |
| RAOF | Hah. With the even more hilarious consequences that dpkg now thinks /usr/share/doc/xorg actually exists! | 06:08 |
| pitti | one should avoid shipping directory symlinks like the plage | 06:09 |
| pitti | platue | 06:10 |
| pitti | plague | 06:10 |
| pitti | (gosh) | 06:10 |
| pitti | at some point they *will* shoot you into the foot | 06:10 |
| RAOF | Because dpkg gets all narky on you. | 06:10 |
| RAOF | Although, to be fair, the problem's not the symlink in this case. The problem is the namespace conflict. | 06:10 |
| pitti | and you need all sorts of black preinst magic if you ever want to get rid of them again :) | 06:10 |
| pitti | yes, right | 06:10 |
| RAOF | Preinst magic like “is this a link? If so, rm -rf it.”? :) | 06:11 |
| pitti | "rm" should be enough, but yes | 06:11 |
| pitti | and checking that it points to the right place, handling aborted package upgrades and put it back then, etc. | 06:11 |
| RAOF | Yeah. xorg doesn't do any of that pansy sanity checking. | 06:12 |
| pitti | but I'm not suggesting to actually remove the link now | 06:12 |
| RAOF | If someone's stupid enough to symlink /usr/share/doc/xorg to /, they deserve all they get! | 06:12 |
| pitti | I guess it's easiest to just drop the duplicate file? | 06:12 |
| RAOF | That's what it does *right now* | 06:12 |
| RAOF | Hm. That doesn't seem to have come from debian. Are we dancing the ‘I hope you haven't symlinked /usr/share/doc/{x11-common,xorg,xserver-xorg} anywhere you care about’ fandango in Ubuntu diff? | 06:16 |
| pitti | I think we can safely assume that the user didn't tamper with these links | 06:16 |
| pitti | /usr/share/doc/ must have the property that users can rm -rf it entirely without anything breaking | 06:17 |
| RAOF | Yeah. It'd suck to have accidentally replaced a symlink in there at some point in the distant past, though. | 06:17 |
| RAOF | Ah, yes. This *is* Ubuntu diff. In fact, it's an oldschool pre-pkgbinarymangler symlink-the-docs hack. | 06:18 |
| pitti | ah | 06:18 |
| RAOF | From brave-old 2007 | 06:18 |
| RAOF | When men were real men, and symlinking doc directories was real men's work. :) | 06:19 |
| pitti | so either we do the preinst bits of removing the links and drop all the manual symlinking | 06:19 |
| pitti | lol | 06:19 |
| pitti | and let the mangler figure it out | 06:19 |
| RAOF | I'm super-inclined to let pkgbinarymangler take this problem off my hands. | 06:19 |
| pitti | erm, no either | 06:19 |
| pitti | we can't ship the same symlink in two packages, period | 06:20 |
| pitti | RAOF: my gut feeling is "drop all this, remove all symlinks in preinst, and drop the preinst bits after the next LTS" | 06:20 |
| RAOF | That's what I'm thinking, too. | 06:21 |
| jbicha | is it safe for me to remove .pc, drop in the new upstream source, and then quilt push the patches I want? | 06:43 |
| didrocks | jbicha: depends if you have applications/libraries dependending on your .pc file | 06:44 |
| jbicha | I'm working on transmission and I've not done much with .pc stuff | 06:45 |
| jbicha | I tried quilt pop but it said it couldn't remove cleanly | 06:45 |
| pitti | jbicha: don't just remove .pc | 06:46 |
| pitti | jbicha: I suggest theh following: | 06:46 |
| pitti | check out ubuntu:pkgname | 06:46 |
| pitti | quilt pop -a | 06:46 |
| pitti | and then rm -r .pc (which should now be empty) | 06:46 |
| pitti | you can commit that as "unapply patches" | 06:46 |
| pitti | applied patches in bzr are excruciatingly hard to maintain, and against common practice IMHO | 06:47 |
| pitti | so in my branches I don't apply them | 06:47 |
| pitti | (they also break merge-upstream) | 06:47 |
| jbicha | well I had like 200 something conflicts when I tried to merge with the Debian bzr | 06:48 |
| jbicha | what if quilt pop complains about not being able to remove cleanly? | 06:48 |
| didrocks | mvo: hey, how are you? | 06:50 |
| jbicha | is quilt pop -a -f ok? | 06:50 |
| jbicha | -f fixes everything! | 06:50 |
| pitti | jbicha: if quilt pop -a in a cleanly checked out tree doesn't work, then something has gone seriously wrong :( | 06:51 |
| pitti | jbicha: did you try this _after_ merging with debian? | 06:51 |
| * didrocks looks for a wiki page to show jbicha quilt best practices | 06:52 | |
| jbicha | well I did bzr revert and I hadn't made any commits | 06:52 |
| jbicha | but I'll do a bzr branch again to make sure | 06:52 |
| pitti | jbicha: if it gets too complicated, just use apt-get source and merge the old way with diffing debian/ .. | 06:52 |
| jbicha | pitti: well quilt pop -a -f worked, I just didn't know if it was a good idea | 06:53 |
| pitti | I don't know either | 06:53 |
| pitti | if the patches don't apply, they need to be fixed either way | 06:54 |
| pitti | but then the bzr branch is horribly inconsistent, as in this case you couldn't even have built the source package for uploading | 06:54 |
| jbicha | pitti: I guess something has gone seriously wrong :-) | 06:54 |
| didrocks | jbicha: if you like to read some documentation to understand how quilt works, you can have a look there, it seems quite nice: http://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/quilt-tutorial/quilt-doc.pdf | 06:54 |
| mvo | didrocks: hey, good morning | 06:55 |
| jbicha | pitti: but all I really need to do is to get a clean source tree, it doesn't matter whether I use quilt pop or do it manually, right? | 06:56 |
| pitti | jbicha: right, but how do you get it if the patches don't unapply? | 06:56 |
| jbicha | just plopping in the source & removing .pc :-) | 06:57 |
| Sweetshark | Morning all! | 07:19 |
| didrocks | hey Sweetshark | 07:25 |
| chrisccoulson | good morning everyone | 07:30 |
| * bryceh waves | 07:31 | |
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| didrocks | hey chrisccoulson! good evening bryceh | 07:32 |
| bryceh | heya didrocks | 07:33 |
| RAOF | Hey hey chrisccoulson! | 07:33 |
| chrisccoulson | hi RAOF and didrocks, how are you? | 07:34 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: I'm fine thanks! Yourself? | 07:34 |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks, yeah, good thanks, but a bit tired | 07:35 |
| pitti | hey chrisccoulson | 07:39 |
| pitti | morning bryceh | 07:39 |
| RAOF | I'm pretty good. Going for a run before lunch has offset the 7:30 start :) | 07:39 |
| chrisccoulson | hi pitti, how are you? | 07:40 |
| bryceh | hi pitti | 07:40 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: I'm great, thanks! | 07:41 |
| didrocks | jibel: hey, FYI, with the new compiz, I tagged the regression to 0.9.5.0: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bugs?field.tag=0.9.5.0 | 08:04 |
| pitti | didrocks: can you please fix "achuni" in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-oneconf? | 08:10 |
| didrocks | pitti: ok, should have mispelled the launchpad name, taking a look in a sec | 08:10 |
| seb128 | hey | 08:16 |
| pitti | bonjour seb128 | 08:16 |
| seb128 | hey pitti, how are you? | 08:16 |
| pitti | I'm fine, thanks! how about yourself? | 08:16 |
| seb128 | pitti, I'm fine thanks, a bit tired, got used to go late to bed and I have difficulties to get started in the mornings ;-) | 08:17 |
| didrocks | hey seb128 | 08:18 |
| seb128 | didrocks, hey, nothing like a compiz abi break to start the day? ;-) | 08:19 |
| didrocks | seb128: exactly! Where is the fun otherwise? :-) | 08:19 |
| jbicha | pitti: round 2 https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/ubuntu/oneiric/transmission/transmission-2.32/+merge/68347 | 08:23 |
| pitti | jbicha: did I mention that I hate UDD branches? :-) | 08:24 |
| rodrigo_ | morning | 08:25 |
| pitti | hey rodrigo_ | 08:25 |
| jbicha | pitti: I was going to do it as a ~ubuntu-desktop branch... ;-) | 08:26 |
| chrisccoulson | hey seb128, how are you? | 08:27 |
| jbicha | actually the end result was the same except for the changelog entries & dropping a lot of upstreamed patches | 08:27 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, hey, I'm starting being awake and I think I'm good thanks, how are you? | 08:29 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, pretty much the same, but i feel less awake ;) | 08:29 |
| seb128 | you know what you need right... | 08:30 |
| seb128 | coffee!!! | 08:30 |
| chrisccoulson | heh :-) | 08:31 |
| chrisccoulson | and bacon! | 08:31 |
| seb128 | jono: ^ | 08:31 |
| chrisccoulson | lol | 08:31 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 08:31 |
| seb128 | I wouldn't have done it if he was around don't worry ;-) | 08:32 |
| seb128 | you didn't get breakfast yet? you should start with that ;-) | 08:32 |
| seb128 | rules 1- get breakfast before starting IRC | 08:32 |
| seb128 | or you might still be typing on IRC an hour later without coffee and starving | 08:32 |
| chrisccoulson | heh | 08:33 |
| geser | an IRC diet? | 08:37 |
| didrocks | seb128: btw, my server down while at Dublin was due to the power supply which died… | 08:39 |
| seb128 | didrocks, oh ok | 08:42 |
| seb128 | pitti, thanks for doing desktop sponsoring! ;-) | 08:44 |
| pitti | no worries :) | 08:44 |
| jbicha | pitti: thank you | 08:47 |
| pitti | jbicha: thanks to you! | 08:47 |
| huats | morning | 08:47 |
| didrocks | salut huats | 08:48 |
| huats | salut didrocks | 08:48 |
| seb128 | lut huats | 08:51 |
| huats | salut seb128 | 08:51 |
| rodrigo_ | man, this g-o-a package doesn't want to build | 09:16 |
| jbicha | pitti: looks like transmission needs a mir for libminiupnpc and libnatpmp | 09:20 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, need help with it? | 09:21 |
| seb128 | extra mirs again... | 09:26 |
| seb128 | jbicha, do you know if those are optional or mandatory depends? | 09:30 |
| seb128 | jbicha, is there any chance you would like to write the mirs for those? ;-) | 09:30 |
| jbicha | seb128: those libs are actually in the transmission tarball & Debian is using a patch to override them with distro-maintained versions | 09:32 |
| seb128 | yeah, security team doesn't like much bundled copy of system libraries | 09:32 |
| jbicha | and I can write the mirs probably tomorrow | 09:32 |
| seb128 | it means you have to track and fix all copies when there is an issue, which doesn't really make sense | 09:32 |
| seb128 | jbicha, thanks! | 09:32 |
| seb128 | jbicha, no hurry for those, but we better use the system libs if we can | 09:33 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, the security team must hate me then ;) | 09:33 |
| seb128 | ups | 09:34 |
| seb128 | don't ctrl-W in xchat :p | 09:35 |
| chrisccoulson | lol | 09:35 |
| seb128 | they probably hate all the web browsers maintainers indeed | 09:35 |
| chrisccoulson | heh :) | 09:35 |
| seb128 | security team is just a bunch of haters :p | 09:35 |
| seb128 | but still we are glad to have them ;-) | 09:36 |
| chrisccoulson | g'ah, i wish that linking thunderbird wasn't so painful | 09:38 |
| chrisccoulson | my machine just grinds to a halt every time | 09:39 |
| chrisccoulson | i need more RAM :) | 09:39 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, yeah, will probably push for a review, as I don't know what's making it fail | 09:43 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, ok | 09:43 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, I'll try a little bit more 1st, as the error it is showing is supposed to be fixed with the patch I added, so not sure what's wrong really | 09:44 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, ok, but feel free to push, I can have a glance maybe I spot something | 09:44 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, ok | 09:44 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, lp:~rodrigo-moya/gnome-online-accounts/3_1_1_release | 09:46 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, it gives an error about undefined symbols, which all are in libgoa-1.0.la, that's why I add the 01_git... patch | 09:47 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, your rules doesn't use autoreconf.mk | 09:48 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, so the patch will be useless, you need to run automake to update the makefile.in | 09:48 |
| rodrigo_ | hmm, does it need to if you don't patch configure.ac? | 09:48 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, well, you patch makefile.am | 09:49 |
| seb128 | you need a makefile.am->makefile.in | 09:49 |
| seb128 | which is automake | 09:49 |
| rodrigo_ | ok, trying... | 09:49 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, yeah, builds fine with it | 09:50 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, ok, that was it :) | 09:51 |
| rodrigo_ | ok then, I thought autoreconf was only needed if you patched configure, but I understand it better now :) | 09:51 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, thanks! | 09:51 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, yw | 09:51 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, usually autoreconf is useful if you patch any configure.in,ac or makefile.am | 09:52 |
| seb128 | it does run autoconf, automake, aclocal, etc | 09:52 |
| rodrigo_ | right, makes sense | 09:52 |
| seb128 | ./configure && make use configure and makefile.in | 09:52 |
| seb128 | the other option is to patch the makefile.in in your patch | 09:53 |
| seb128 | but usually those are less fun since the makefile.in is autogenerated it's likely that the patch will be less trivial and not apply to new versions | 09:53 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, your changelog version needs a revision | 09:54 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, ok | 09:55 |
| pitti | jbicha: or disable upnp? | 09:59 |
| jbicha | pitti: I haven't looked to see what those libraries do, but isn't UPNP important for torrents working across NAT? | 10:00 |
| pitti | jbicha: ah, so the previous version used the internal libs, but already had the functinoality? | 10:01 |
| pitti | that would make the MIRs easier | 10:01 |
| njpatel_ | mvo, meet bschaefer, he's the awesome dude that has added CJK support to xapian (or is adding), he has some questions for Software Centre | 10:06 |
| bschaefer | mvo: Hello, my question is that it looks like the software center uses the term generator along with the parse query, but does it use the same libxapian as unity-place-applications? | 10:08 |
| mvo | bschaefer: hello! yes it does use the same libxapian, but its using the python bindings when unity-places-application is using the c++ lib | 10:10 |
| mvo | bschaefer: should not make a difference though of course | 10:10 |
| mvo | bschaefer: hello btw :) | 10:10 |
| mvo | bschaefer: I'm just leaving for lunch, I will be back in ~45min or so | 10:10 |
| bschaefer | mv: Alright I might have to email you then, as it is late here haha, ( -8 PST ) | 10:11 |
| bschaefer | mvo:* | 10:11 |
| * mvo nods and vanishes | 10:12 | |
| didrocks | (the xapian testsuite is huge) | 10:13 |
| bschaefer | didrocks: only the xapian-core matters | 10:14 |
| didrocks | bschaefer: right, but the package runs everything :-) | 10:14 |
| bschaefer | didrocks: yeah I never liked compiling it at first haha, but it seems error free so far :) | 10:15 |
| seb128 | re | 10:16 |
| seb128 | bah, new compiz is really slow to display things | 10:16 |
| didrocks | wb seb128 | 10:16 |
| didrocks | seb128: ah, it's not only me swapping then | 10:17 |
| seb128 | like my session takes 15 seconds to get a background when it was taking 3 seconds before | 10:17 |
| seb128 | I restarted several times thinking it was stucked | 10:17 |
| didrocks | never get any stuck session, but I have the impression that compiz is slower, yeah | 10:17 |
| seb128 | opening anything display a dialog with wrong geometry and no decoration for 2-3 seconds | 10:17 |
| seb128 | then it gets updated as it should | 10:17 |
| didrocks | 12:17:43 seb128 | opening anything display a dialog with wrong geometry and no decoration for 2-3 seconds | 10:18 |
| seb128 | happens for anything, apport dialog, gedit, nautilus | 10:18 |
| didrocks | -> half a second here, I reported it | 10:18 |
| seb128 | well here it's 2-3 seconds on a modern i5 box | 10:18 |
| didrocks | seb128: want to confirm bug #812711 ? | 10:18 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 812711 in compiz "Some dialogs jumps before appearing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/812711 | 10:18 |
| seb128 | but using intel, I guess video matters over cpu for that issue | 10:18 |
| didrocks | seb128: see, for once, my box is better than yours :) | 10:18 |
| seb128 | didrocks, done | 10:20 |
| didrocks | thanks :) | 10:20 |
| didrocks | 2-3s is scary though | 10:20 |
| didrocks | do you want to file one with the general slowiness? | 10:21 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I've updated the title and raised the setting | 10:21 |
| seb128 | didrocks, it's not slow otherwise, like workspace switch etc have no issue | 10:22 |
| didrocks | seb128: looks good | 10:22 |
| didrocks | hum, the slowliness at startup you get? | 10:22 |
| seb128 | I just think something is resources expensive in the mapping and where a dialog takes 3 seconds the background takes 15 seconds | 10:22 |
| seb128 | well imho it's the same issue | 10:22 |
| didrocks | but there is no dialog at session login? | 10:22 |
| seb128 | just proportional to how much there is to render | 10:22 |
| seb128 | no, but it's not specific to dialogs | 10:23 |
| didrocks | hum, that will do it with the wall window otherwise | 10:23 |
| didrocks | which doesn't seem to be the case | 10:23 |
| seb128 | well, let's wait for smspillaz to comment, if he thinks it's a different issue I will open a new bug | 10:23 |
| seb128 | or DBO | 10:23 |
| didrocks | as you wish :) | 10:23 |
| didrocks | seb128: we stopped adding unity master tag btw | 10:24 |
| seb128 | but I think the background is just a nautilus ui element and getting the same issue | 10:24 |
| didrocks | maybe, anyway, windows are slow to drag in the expo mode as well | 10:24 |
| seb128 | didrocks, oh ok, well I don't do it in a systematic way, I just want a bug showing up on unity lists | 10:24 |
| didrocks | seb128: I added the 0.9.5.0 tag on compiz bugs for all regression from this upgrade | 10:25 |
| seb128 | ok | 10:25 |
| didrocks | should be easy to find them back | 10:25 |
| didrocks | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bugs?field.tag=0.9.5.0 (current list) | 10:25 |
| seb128 | ok | 10:26 |
| seb128 | is there a spec describing the unity dialog behaviour somewhere? | 10:27 |
| seb128 | like what should happen in the file-selector too small to be used case | 10:27 |
| didrocks | seb128: nothing from what I know, I just saw some screenshots and I would like to know for that case as well | 10:27 |
| didrocks | I filed bug #812712 for that one so that we don't loose this issue | 10:27 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 812712 in compiz "Can't get normal modal dialog size" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/812712 | 10:28 |
| seb128 | right, I noticed | 10:29 |
| seb128 | the issue is not new with 0.9.5 though | 10:29 |
| seb128 | well maybe the fixed size is new | 10:29 |
| didrocks | no, see my comment :) | 10:29 |
| seb128 | but opening the dialog is a too small to be used geometry is buggy and was already buggy in the previous version | 10:29 |
| seb128 | is->in | 10:29 |
| didrocks | "This isn't linked to 0.9.5.0 properly, but from the new unity dialog, just keeping it there to see if a solution is possible" | 10:30 |
| seb128 | but I didn't find a spec say if the unity dialog should go out of the container in those case | 10:30 |
| seb128 | or if the geometry should get updated | 10:30 |
| didrocks | as this is part 2 of unity dialogs (the u-w-d side), I think it's fine to track it there | 10:30 |
| didrocks | anyway, the current behavior is buggy, and we need design feedback | 10:30 |
| seb128 | didrocks, it's sort of bug #805975 | 10:31 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 805975 in unity "Modal dialog size too small if it belongs to other modal window" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/805975 | 10:31 |
| didrocks | yeah, same issue in nested dialogs, not sure it should be fixed the same way, pointing to it on the bug report | 10:31 |
| didrocks | done | 10:32 |
| seb128 | thanks | 10:32 |
| didrocks | thanks for finding the ref :) | 10:32 |
| didrocks | bschaefer: some test failed. Trying without the patches to ensure it's the cause of the issues | 10:37 |
| didrocks | tests* | 10:38 |
| bschaefer | didrocks: hmm, which ones failed? | 10:42 |
| didrocks | bschaefer: Running test: flintdatabaseformaterror3... FAILED | 10:43 |
| didrocks | in apitest | 10:44 |
| didrocks | bschaefer: but let me confirm first it's the patch creating an artifact in the API there | 10:44 |
| bschaefer | Yeah I went to straight to testing on dash I am running them right now. I knew I was forgetting something.. | 10:44 |
| didrocks | will be long, the testsuite is long :-) | 10:44 |
| bschaefer | yeah haha | 10:44 |
| seb128 | bah | 10:45 |
| seb128 | smspillaz, didrocks: u-w-d segfaulted | 10:46 |
| seb128 | #0 0x0805cabf in remove_frame_window () | 10:46 |
| seb128 | No symbol table info available. | 10:46 |
| seb128 | #1 0x0805cde7 in window_closed () | 10:46 |
| didrocks | seb128: I won my personal bet! I was sure you will get a crash within a day :) | 10:46 |
| rodrigo_ | didrocks, :) | 10:47 |
| seb128 | will open the bug with a debug stacktrace | 10:49 |
| seb128 | but after lunch | 10:49 |
| seb128 | bbl | 10:49 |
| didrocks | seb128: enjoy | 10:49 |
| bschaefer | didrocks: well I am going to let this run, I am pretty tired right now so I cant help much anyway. If you could send me email about any other fails I will spend tomorrow trying to fix it | 10:56 |
| bschaefer | didrocks: @ brandontschaefer@gmail.com | 10:57 |
| didrocks | bschaefer: sure, will do! Thanks again for your work there! Have a good night :-) | 10:57 |
| bschaefer | didrocks: You too, and hopefully everything works out haha. | 10:58 |
| didrocks | bschaefer: let's hope so :) | 10:59 |
| seb128 | oh, new decorator segfault | 11:09 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, oh, i just realized that i can turn off gconf support in firefox at build time already | 11:10 |
| chrisccoulson | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-trunk.head/revision/925 | 11:10 |
| chrisccoulson | :-) | 11:10 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, \o/ | 11:10 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, what about gnomevfs? ;-) | 11:10 |
| seb128 | oh, in the same commit | 11:10 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, i turned that off last cycle ;) | 11:10 |
| didrocks | seb128: no decorator segfault? | 11:11 |
| didrocks | oh new* | 11:11 |
| * didrocks will soon buy glasses | 11:11 | |
| seb128 | didrocks, yeah, it did it again | 11:11 |
| didrocks | seb128: oh do you get it? | 11:11 |
| seb128 | didrocks, yes, the stacktrace before was from me already | 11:12 |
| seb128 | got it twice since I upgraded | 11:12 |
| didrocks | is there any special way for you to trigger it or it's just random? | 11:12 |
| seb128 | didrocks, but I learn something on the way | 11:12 |
| seb128 | starting unity-window-decorator makes compiz hang for quite some seconds | 11:13 |
| seb128 | so maybe the slowness issue is a decorator one | 11:13 |
| didrocks | seb128: yeah, more than possible as it's all linked to the unity dialog part 2 | 11:13 |
| didrocks | seb128: can you try with gtk-w-d ? | 11:14 |
| didrocks | just to ensure | 11:14 |
| seb128 | didrocks, rather random but not totally, I got it first on an apport dialog autoopening and now when doing send&receive in evolution | 11:14 |
| seb128 | so maybe it has to do with dialogs autoopening or focus stealing prevention or something, will try to figure if I find a reliable way to trigger it | 11:14 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, ok, I think g-o-a is now ready for a review, so feel free to look at lp:~rodrigo-moya/gnome-online-accounts/3_1_1_release | 11:15 |
| rodrigo_ | I'll do some g-c-c building with it in the mean time | 11:15 |
| didrocks | hum, interesting :) | 11:15 |
| seb128 | didrocks, g-w-d doesn't hang compiz for a while | 11:15 |
| seb128 | and compiz seems snappier again | 11:15 |
| seb128 | so yeah, I bet it's unity dialog's updat | 11:15 |
| seb128 | e | 11:15 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, ok, looking | 11:15 |
| didrocks | ok, will make sense, the core didn't change that much otherwise | 11:15 |
| seb128 | great, I will keep the gtk decorator for now ;-) | 11:16 |
| didrocks | seb128: come on, come to play the slow game! :-) | 11:16 |
| * didrocks tries to build xapian in a pbuiler just in case… | 11:17 | |
| seb128 | is that a drinking game? ;-) | 11:17 |
| didrocks | I fear it's not that fun :) | 11:17 |
| seb128 | what about xapian? is compiz using it for something? | 11:17 |
| didrocks | no, the cjk support we were discussing above with bschaefer and njpatel | 11:17 |
| seb128 | oh ok | 11:17 |
| seb128 | who is bschaefer? | 11:17 |
| seb128 | is he new around? | 11:18 |
| didrocks | yeah, he's a contributor who worked on that with the help of Mikkel, it's awesome :) | 11:18 |
| seb128 | nice | 11:18 |
| didrocks | apart from the testsuite, he told there is no regression and we get cjk support for free in unity-place-applications | 11:19 |
| seb128 | \o/ | 11:19 |
| didrocks | (and then, software-center) | 11:19 |
| didrocks | step 2 will be zg of course | 11:19 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, seems mostly fine | 11:30 |
| seb128 | the lib should probably be named libgao-1.0-0 rather to match the soname | 11:30 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, oh, ok | 11:30 |
| seb128 | standards-version is 3.9.2 | 11:30 |
| seb128 | you don't need the clean-la.mk line in the rules since we just don't ship the .la for new binaries | 11:31 |
| seb128 | that's only useful for transitions for packages that used to ship one | 11:31 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, ok fixing that | 11:34 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, btw, works fine with control center, just a missing icon which I'm fixing | 11:34 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, libgoa1.0-dev should Depends on glib dev since its .pc requires gio | 11:34 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, right | 11:35 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, ok, great ;-) | 11:35 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, you need to build-depends on dh-autoreconf | 11:35 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, you can drop the quilt build-depends since you use source v3 | 11:36 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, why the dpkg-dev build-depends? | 11:36 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, hmm, don't remember why I added, but there was a reason iirc | 11:37 |
| seb128 | ok, I was rather curious about this one, usually that's not needed | 11:37 |
| rodrigo_ | removing it, the reason will show up for itself if there is one :) | 11:37 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 11:37 |
| seb128 | otherwise looks good, great work | 11:37 |
| seb128 | the copyright format is the old one also, not sure how picky other reviewers will be on this one | 11:38 |
| seb128 | see sni-qt for a recent example using the new format | 11:39 |
| jbicha | I converted a copyright file & the Debian dev said it was basically a waste of time, lol | 11:40 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, oh, you should have a compat file with a version in it and the corresponding version in the in build-depends | 11:41 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, ok | 11:41 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, that's it I think ;-) | 11:41 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, hmm, what's the "corresponding version in the in build-depends"? | 11:42 |
| seb128 | jbicha, yeah, different people have different perspective on those ;-) I tend to not bother much with those cleaning usually but for a new source as well doing it right ;-) | 11:42 |
| jbicha | I tried goa today on Fedora rawhide; it made setting up gmail on evolution super easy | 11:42 |
| rodrigo_ | jbicha, yeah | 11:43 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, if you use version 5 you build-depends on debhelper (>= 5..) is fine | 11:43 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, ah, ok | 11:43 |
| seb128 | jbicha, email or calendar or both? | 11:43 |
| rodrigo_ | ah, already have debhelper (>= 5.0.0) on BuildDepends | 11:43 |
| jbicha | rawhide's scary though, I find it breaks a lot worse than Ubuntu devel | 11:43 |
| seb128 | hehe | 11:44 |
| seb128 | jbicha, how many distros do you run? ;-) | 11:44 |
| jbicha | seb128: calendar didn't seem to work for me :-( | 11:44 |
| seb128 | jbicha, evolution-settings (when it worked) made already that super easy, it was basically "enter your email" | 11:44 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, ok, pushing all fixes, so what needs to be done to upload this? | 11:44 |
| seb128 | it figures the server imap, smtp, user name, etc for you | 11:44 |
| jbicha | seb128: for several months it was just Ubuntu but now I have Arch & Fedora around | 11:45 |
| seb128 | seems to segfault in 3.1 though | 11:45 |
| seb128 | jbicha, oh, arch, you like building things ;-) | 11:45 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, you are not a motu right? | 11:45 |
| jbicha | seb128: maybe, I don't do much with it | 11:45 |
| seb128 | oh | 11:46 |
| jbicha | Fedora at least is useful since it's closely aligned with Gnome and it's useful to verify if some bug affects them too | 11:46 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, I forgot one thing, you probably want a .symbols | 11:46 |
| seb128 | jbicha, yeah, indeed | 11:46 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, yeah, right I thought about it, but forgot | 11:46 |
| rodrigo_ | adding it | 11:46 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, mterry will block mirs on having one of those if you run into him ;-) | 11:46 |
| rodrigo_ | yeah :) | 11:47 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, no, I'm not a motu | 11:47 |
| seb128 | ok | 11:47 |
| seb128 | so you need a sponsoring bug or to find a sponsor | 11:47 |
| * rodrigo_ looks for sponsor-seb128 :) | 11:47 | |
| seb128 | mterry, hey, do you care about the copyright file being in a recent format for new packages you review for mir? | 11:47 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, yeah, I can sponsor it once I'm happy with it ;-) i.e add the .symbols and maybe update the copyright and we are good I think | 11:48 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, ok | 11:49 |
| seb128 | Package: libgoa-1.0-0 | 11:49 |
| seb128 | ..* | 11:49 |
| seb128 | This package contains the files needed to build applications that access | 11:49 |
| seb128 | the service. | 11:49 |
| seb128 | 11:49 | |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, description copy error? | 11:49 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, yes | 11:52 |
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| seif | didrocks, when do you have time | 11:56 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, ok, all fixed and pushed to the branch, so feel free to sponsor :) | 11:59 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, ok, will do that in a bit | 11:59 |
| seb128 | just finishing something else I'm on first | 12:00 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, no hurry, I'll fix the g-c-c bug in the meanwhile (the missing icon) | 12:00 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, ok, is that one we ship in the wrong gnome-icon-theme binary maybe? or is that an upstream bug? | 12:00 |
| rodrigo_ | well, and I'll go out for lunch first, now that pedro_ is here, so that I can avoid listening to him for a while :-) | 12:01 |
| pedro_ | rodrigo_, that'd be perfect so i can assign thousand of bugs to you while you're not around :-) | 12:01 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, it's an icon in g-c-c sources, so it doesn't get installed when building g-c-c with g-o-a | 12:01 |
| seb128 | oh ok | 12:01 |
| rodrigo_ | pedro_, no please, I'm not the top on the list anymore, feel free to harass someone else :D | 12:01 |
| seb128 | pedro_, ola! | 12:01 |
| pedro_ | salut seb128 :-) | 12:02 |
| seb128 | pedro_, don't listen to rodrigo_, he can take on some extra bugs, he likes g-s-d and g-c-c bugs | 12:02 |
| rodrigo_ | pedro_, heh, there you have a person to harass now, seb128 :) | 12:02 |
| pedro_ | heh :-) | 12:04 |
| rodrigo_ | ok, lunch now, bbl | 12:04 |
| meborc | Hi all | 12:13 |
| meborc | is the current way the bar and indicator area is displayed on multiple monitors the intended way? | 12:14 |
| meborc | What I mean is that if I have 2 monitors, I have top-bars on both of them including the indicator area? | 12:15 |
| meborc | That is major showstopper for me. I have been used to having more screen real-estate on the second monitor | 12:16 |
| meborc | any ideas? blueprints? plans? in that regard - Thanks! | 12:16 |
| jbicha | meborc: design issues are discussed in #ayatana but yes the design decision is that the "indicator" system menus show on all monitors | 12:19 |
| meborc | jbicha: ok, thank you! I will go there and at least try to make a case for a change :) have a nice day | 12:20 |
| didrocks | seif: John is sick today, so probably later this week? | 12:23 |
| mpt | jasoncwarner_, hi, was it you who JohnLea discussed with about disabling Suspend and Hibernate by default on uncertified hardware? | 12:28 |
| mpt | Or was it someone else? | 12:29 |
| pitti | this seems like throwing out the baby with the bathwater | 12:32 |
| pitti | we break 99% of machines because 1% have trouble with suspend? | 12:32 |
| seb128 | it seems it could be discussed for hibernate | 12:33 |
| seb128 | but yeah, suspends works nowadays so no need to break that | 12:33 |
| mterry | seb128, no, I don't care about copyright format | 12:34 |
| pitti | I really doubt that we can do something about the hibernate certification | 12:34 |
| seb128 | mterry, ok, great ;-) | 12:34 |
| pitti | I think in most cases it's specific to the swap space you configure, or whether you plug in a particular usb device or what not | 12:34 |
| pitti | we enable it by default or we don't, but by-machine doesn't seem practical to me | 12:35 |
| seb128 | pitti, well, we could opt out hibernate by default with a g-c-c settings to turn it on | 12:35 |
| pitti | seb128: I agree; but not by-machine | 12:35 |
| seb128 | right | 12:35 |
| seb128 | well "by machine" in the sense of some oem could decide to turn it on on their image | 12:35 |
| pitti | right, I meant having large white/blacklists in pm-utils | 12:36 |
| seb128 | but yeah, let's not do an hardware detection or an hardware list in ubuntu | 12:36 |
| pitti | hibernation isn't really hardware/platform specific | 12:36 |
| pitti | it sucks everywhere equally :) | 12:36 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 12:37 |
| seb128 | pitti, btw is your indicator still not turning blue on new messages? | 12:39 |
| seb128 | it works there | 12:39 |
| pitti | I don't think so | 12:39 |
| pitti | seb128: ping me on jabber again? | 12:39 |
| seb128 | ok | 12:46 |
| seb128 | so it was not kenvandine's fault but mvo's one ;-) | 12:47 |
| mvo | hm? | 12:47 |
| kenvandine | hey seb | 12:47 |
| seb128 | pitti, one other case of "recommends didn't get installed on upgrade" | 12:47 |
| kenvandine | what didn't i do :) | 12:47 |
| pitti | hey kenvandine | 12:47 |
| mvo | ha! thats fixed with the new apt | 12:47 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, pitti didn't have telepathy-indicator installed | 12:47 |
| pitti | kenvandine: I got blue envelopes back! | 12:47 |
| kenvandine | haha | 12:47 |
| kenvandine | mvo, that is pretty frustrating :) | 12:48 |
| seb128 | mvo, right, I was mostly teasing you ;-) | 12:48 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, he said that should be fixed for a week, apt blocks those updates now | 12:48 |
| seb128 | like put them on hold | 12:48 |
| kenvandine | oh, good | 12:48 |
| seb128 | the same way as if you have a new depends | 12:48 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, wasn't bug #257190 supposed to be fixed? | 12:50 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 257190 in telepathy-gabble "Setting status to 'Hidden' changes status to 'Busy' instead" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/257190 | 12:50 |
| seb128 | pitti, ^ | 12:50 |
| pitti | I still get it here | 12:50 |
| seb128 | do you get it from the empathy ui as well? | 12:50 |
| seb128 | or only from the indicator? | 12:50 |
| pitti | seb128: same bug from the ui | 12:51 |
| seb128 | ok | 12:51 |
| seb128 | pitti, are you connected only to jabber? | 12:51 |
| pitti | seb128: no, also google talk, some sip services, etc. | 12:51 |
| seb128 | I think part of the issue is due to protocols which don't handle hidden | 12:51 |
| seb128 | the status is not by protocol | 12:51 |
| pitti | trying | 12:51 |
| seb128 | like if you are connected to jabber only it should work | 12:52 |
| kenvandine | i think that is tricky, depending on accounts | 12:52 |
| kenvandine | the indicator tries to set it to the best match for all accounts | 12:52 |
| kenvandine | there is a tp api for that | 12:52 |
| pitti | right, it flips to invisible, and .3 s later it goes back to busy | 12:52 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, right, it's not specific to the indicator since the empathy ui has the same issue | 12:52 |
| kenvandine | pitti, killall telepathy-indicator | 12:53 |
| kenvandine | see if it still does that | 12:53 |
| * kenvandine hopes he didn't do something bad | 12:53 | |
| kenvandine | i doubt that would make a difference though | 12:53 |
| kenvandine | tp-indicator just listens and does things as needed | 12:53 |
| pitti | kenvandine: confirmed it's gtalk -- if I disable the account, and leave bonjour and the sips ones, it works | 12:54 |
| kenvandine | pitti, so gtalk might not support it | 12:54 |
| pitti | kenvandine: the fun thing is, if I flip gtalk back on, status changes from invisible to busy, but in the accounts dialog, gtalk is shown as invisible :) | 12:55 |
| kenvandine | hehe | 12:55 |
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| seb128 | pitti, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=550502 | 12:56 |
| ubot2 | Gnome bug 550502 in General "Invisible Status Is Not Working Correctly" [Normal,New] | 12:56 |
| seb128 | or https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30765 | 12:57 |
| ubot2 | Freedesktop bug 30765 in tp-glib "Add most-available-requested-presence" [Normal,New] | 12:57 |
| pitti | seb128: thanks | 12:57 |
| kenvandine | they have an old branch for that | 12:59 |
| kenvandine | but never merged | 12:59 |
| pitti | hm, gnome-icon-theme FTBFSes now, configure fails with "configure: error: Could not find gtk-update-icon-cache" | 12:59 |
| pitti | seems there's only -3.0 these days | 12:59 |
| pitti | oh, libgtk-3-bin diverts it to update-icon-caches.gtk2 | 13:00 |
| pitti | err, no, what? | 13:00 |
| pitti | /usr/bin/gtk-update-icon-cache -> ../lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgtk2.0-0/gtk-update-icon-cache | 13:01 |
| pitti | c'est ne pas i386 | 13:01 |
| seb128 | lol | 13:01 |
| seb128 | works for me on i386 :p | 13:01 |
| seb128 | but it's quite weird | 13:01 |
| pitti | you and your pre-medieval architectures | 13:01 |
| seb128 | it's coming from the stone age, it's solid and tested ;-) | 13:02 |
| didrocks | mpt: hey, small question about usc redesign, I'm ready to do the OneConf ui part, did you get a chance to work on that? | 13:02 |
| mpt | didrocks, I did not, sorry | 13:02 |
| * pitti backs out from fixing gnome-icon-theme, and looks into fixing gtk2 then | 13:02 | |
| didrocks | mpt: do you think you'll have time soon or that we can experiment something? all the rest is almost finished and it's the only thing blocking putting OneConf by default AFAIK | 13:03 |
| seb128 | pitti, it's weird there was no recent gtk2 or 3 updates | 13:03 |
| didrocks | mpt: btw, I made the screenshot icon preview :) | 13:03 |
| pitti | seb128: last g-i-t upload was June 29 | 13:03 |
| pitti | seb128: last gtk+2.0 upload was June 30, with "Build for multiarch" | 13:04 |
| seb128 | pitti, well, for sure gtk-update-icon-cache is used out of the g-i-t build | 13:04 |
| seb128 | like for anybody installing an icon theme or upgrading one | 13:04 |
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| seb128 | or a package installing an icon in the icon theme dir | 13:04 |
| seb128 | pitti, when was that symlink updated? | 13:05 |
| seb128 | on your disk | 13:05 |
| pitti | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 55 2011-06-30 16:19 | 13:05 |
| pitti | sounds like the time of the most recent gtk+2.0 upload | 13:05 |
| seb128 | hum ok | 13:05 |
| seb128 | weird that nobody notice it during this time, I though that was called to update icon indexes when installed a package shipping one | 13:06 |
| pitti | but that broken symlink is in the actual .deb | 13:07 |
| seb128 | oh | 13:07 |
| pitti | seb128: presumably we are using the -3.0 version now? | 13:07 |
| seb128 | the trigger uses the versionned name | 13:07 |
| seb128 | pitti, right | 13:07 |
| seb128 | that explains it | 13:07 |
| pitti | lrwxrwxrwx root/root 0 2011-06-30 16:19 ./usr/bin/gtk-query-immodules-2.0 -> ../lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgtk2.0-0/gtk-query-immodules-2.0 | 13:07 |
| pitti | same problem with that one | 13:07 |
| pitti | ^ from less libgtk2.0-bin_2.24.5-0ubuntu3_all.deb | 13:08 |
| seb128 | liking an error in the rules | 13:08 |
| pitti | oh, wait | 13:08 |
| pitti | _all.deb ?? | 13:08 |
| seb128 | arf | 13:08 |
| pitti | Package: libgtk2.0-bin | 13:08 |
| pitti | Section: misc | 13:08 |
| pitti | Architecture: all | 13:08 |
| pitti | indeed | 13:08 |
| pitti | so weird that we never caught this | 13:09 |
| seb128 | same for libgtk-3-bin | 13:09 |
| seb128 | oh | 13:09 |
| seb128 | -bin only has symlinks | 13:09 |
| pitti | bzr blame is for rev 1 | 13:09 |
| seb128 | the actual binaries are in the lib | 13:09 |
| seb128 | -bin is only symlinks and manpages | 13:09 |
| pitti | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 43 2011-07-15 21:05 /usr/bin/gtk-update-icon-cache-3.0 -> ../lib/libgtk-3-0/gtk-update-icon-cache-3.0 | 13:10 |
| pitti | for -3.0 the symlinks aren't platform specific | 13:10 |
| pitti | but for 2.0 they seem to be | 13:10 |
| seb128 | pitti, gtk3 is not multiarched yet | 13:10 |
| seb128 | it was not out when slangasek started his work | 13:10 |
| pitti | seb128: ok, fixing gtk2.0 for now | 13:10 |
| seb128 | pitti, just make the -bin arch any I guess | 13:10 |
| pitti | right | 13:10 |
| pitti | building | 13:12 |
| pitti | didrocks, njpatel: what's the standard icon size for launcher icons? something like 48x48? | 13:14 |
| didrocks | pitti: right, 48x48 | 13:15 |
| pitti | merci | 13:15 |
| mpt | didrocks, do you mean installing it in Ubuntu by default? | 13:24 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, do you want to do a round of testing and sponsor https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/gnome-online-accounts ? | 13:24 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, it seems fine to me, I can NEW it if somebody else do the upload ;-) | 13:24 |
| kenvandine | seb128, sure | 13:24 |
| mpt | didrocks, sorry, what screenshot icon preview is that? | 13:24 |
| kenvandine | i'll do it now | 13:24 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, i.e I already did a review from a NEW perspective so it just needs an uploader, if you want to give it a round of testing as well you are welcome though | 13:24 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, thanks | 13:25 |
| === zyga is now known as zyga-food | ||
| seb128 | oh, if somebody is interested by packaging a new source: http://p11-glue.freedesktop.org/p11-kit.html | 13:27 |
| seb128 | next gnome-keyring will depends on it | 13:27 |
| seb128 | I've added it to the etherpad | 13:27 |
| didrocks | mpt: right, the plan was to put OneConf by default this cycle. For the preview, it's putting a preview of the wallpaper for each computer/device registered in OneCon | 13:30 |
| didrocks | OneConf* | 13:30 |
| mpt | didrocks, ah, nice | 13:31 |
| kenvandine | seb128, is there no UI in the goa package? | 13:35 |
| kenvandine | i expected it to be in the control-center | 13:35 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, it's in g-c-c, it needs a rebuild with goa once that one is in | 13:36 |
| kenvandine | ah | 13:36 |
| kenvandine | ok | 13:36 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, we patched g-c-c to disable it since that was not packaged | 13:36 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, you can probably rebuild gcc and drop the patch rodrigo added to disable it | 13:36 |
| * kenvandine uploads goa in the mean time | 13:36 | |
| rodrigo_ | kenvandine, oh, uploaded already? | 13:48 |
| kenvandine | rodrigo_, yup | 13:49 |
| rodrigo_ | ok, so now we need a MIR | 13:49 |
| * rodrigo_ MIR's | 13:49 | |
| kenvandine | rodrigo_, cool | 13:49 |
| rodrigo_ | kenvandine, btw, no need to drop the patch, just rebuild it with libgoa-dev installed | 13:49 |
| kenvandine | rodrigo_, will do | 13:50 |
| rodrigo_ | but I'll submit a package with the part of the patch for disabling the onlñine accounts panel, as soon as g-o-a is in main | 13:50 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, you need to mir for some of the depends also it seems | 13:51 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, yes, was looking at the build failure | 13:51 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, that's yet something else | 13:52 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, you lack a build-depends as well indeed it seems | 13:52 |
| smspillaz | seb128: backtrace ? | 13:57 |
| seb128 | smspillaz, I will get one with debug symbols next time it happen, I didn't have debug symbols and the one I got was pretty useless | 14:01 |
| seb128 | smspillaz, btw running u-w-d "blocks" compiz for at least 5 seconds there | 14:03 |
| smspillaz | seb128: right, it's generating a bunch of default decorations I need to optimize it | 14:03 |
| seb128 | ok | 14:03 |
| smspillaz | (I needed that to make dialogs work, but it's not efficient) | 14:03 |
| smspillaz | seb128: I need to work on this settings key override stuff now | 14:04 |
| smspillaz | (for didrocks) | 14:04 |
| seb128 | smspillaz, btw is the wanted behaviour speced on the wiki or somewhere? | 14:04 |
| desrt | didrocks: ping | 14:04 |
| seb128 | smspillaz, like is there a spec describing what is supposed to happen in different scenarios, with interaction models etc? | 14:05 |
| smspillaz | seb128: I think there is some somewhere | 14:05 |
| seb128 | will ask john when he's back, thanks | 14:06 |
| desrt | smspillaz: so i talked to matthias about GSettings key names | 14:08 |
| desrt | smspillaz: i plan to lift to 1024 chars. will that make you happy forever? | 14:08 |
| didrocks | 32 to 1024, waow :) | 14:09 |
| seb128 | bah | 14:09 |
| smspillaz | desrt: can we lift the restriction requiring no use of "_", "?" etc and make them CaSeSeSiTiVe? | 14:09 |
| seb128 | pitti, did you clean all the i386 retracer logs? | 14:09 |
| smspillaz | :p | 14:10 |
| pitti | seb128: I moved the amd64 ones to ../log-archive/ | 14:10 |
| desrt | i think you can have caps already | 14:10 |
| seb128 | pitti, he had an empty log, no rotated log and a lock file, I just removed the lock | 14:10 |
| pitti | seb128: I didn't touch the i386 ones | 14:10 |
| smspillaz | desrt: nope | 14:10 |
| seb128 | pitti, doh, I meant amd64 | 14:10 |
| seb128 | pitti, thanks ;-) | 14:10 |
| desrt | ah. sorry about that. | 14:10 |
| desrt | i'd prefer not to lift those. | 14:10 |
| pitti | seb128: a few hours ago I noticed that i386 was working, and amd64 was broken, and I fixed/cleaned the amd64 one | 14:10 |
| smspillaz | desrt: though, there's only one key with caps :)\ | 14:10 |
| smspillaz | so I can just change it | 14:10 |
| seb128 | pitti, ups, it's still busy on the dup consolidation | 14:11 |
| seb128 | pitti, that takes ages nowadays | 14:11 |
| pitti | oh, I thought we commented it out | 14:11 |
| pitti | because it crashed | 14:11 |
| pitti | so it's actually running now? | 14:11 |
| pitti | it hasn't run for ages, so it'll certainly take a while to review all the crash bugs of the last weeks | 14:11 |
| seb128 | pitti, well I didn't change anything, the crontab line is not commented and there is a dupcheck job in the processes list | 14:12 |
| pitti | seb128: I mean the consolidation part | 14:13 |
| seb128 | pitti, the log has | 14:13 |
| seb128 | 07/19/11 14:10:01: Initializing crash digger, using chroot map None | 14:13 |
| seb128 | 07/19/11 14:10:01: Consolidating duplicate database... | 14:13 |
| pitti | but I recently updated bzr, I guess I might have reverted that | 14:13 |
| pitti | seb128: as long as it's running, that's fine | 14:13 |
| seb128 | pitti, it's sitting there | 14:13 |
| pitti | if that actually stopped crashing now, then let's have it catch up | 14:13 |
| seb128 | hum | 14:13 |
| seb128 | in fact the log has | 14:13 |
| seb128 | 07/19/11 12:00:01: Initializing crash digger, using chroot map None | 14:13 |
| seb128 | 07/19/11 12:00:02: Consolidating duplicate database... | 14:13 |
| seb128 | 07/19/11 14:10:01: Initializing crash digger, using chroot map None | 14:13 |
| seb128 | 07/19/11 14:10:01: Consolidating duplicate database... | 14:14 |
| seb128 | 14:14 | |
| pitti | oh, it did crash silently then? | 14:14 |
| seb128 | pitti, so I'm wondering it if took 2 hours to crash | 14:14 |
| seb128 | pitti, I will run it by hand | 14:14 |
| pitti | ah, was just about to do that | 14:14 |
| pitti | but yes, fine if you do | 14:14 |
| pitti | please run in screen | 14:14 |
| seb128 | pitti, don't bother, I'm on it | 14:14 |
| === zyga-food is now known as zyga | ||
| seb128 | ok | 14:15 |
| pitti | if it still fails, I'll comment out the consolidation again | 14:15 |
| rodrigo_ | kenvandine, just pushed a build fix to lp:~rodrigo-moya/gnome-online-accounts/3_1_1_release, so if you can sponsor that to fix the build problems o my 1st package? | 14:15 |
| kenvandine | rodrigo_, sure | 14:15 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, you can move it to ~ubuntu-desktop btw | 14:15 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, ok | 14:15 |
| kenvandine | seb128, i did already | 14:16 |
| kenvandine | i'll merged rodrigo's branch | 14:16 |
| rodrigo_ | kenvandine, ah, sorry, just pushed it also | 14:17 |
| kenvandine | rodrigo_, no worries | 14:17 |
| rodrigo_ | can it also be added to the desktop packageset? | 14:17 |
| rodrigo_ | I guess a mail to cjwatson is needed? :) | 14:17 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, indeed | 14:17 |
| rodrigo_ | sent | 14:18 |
| * rodrigo_ writes MIR report | 14:19 | |
| desrt | smspillaz: okay. limit is now 1024 upstream. | 14:19 |
| smspillaz | desrt: lovely | 14:25 |
| mvo | chrisccoulson: what is a good name for the flag in the debian/control file for e.g. firefox to prevent unattended inplace upgrades. XB-Upgrade-Requires: {app-restart,session-restart,system-restart} ? | 14:28 |
| dobey | pitti, seb128: the plan is to not have gtk2 on the CD, right? | 14:28 |
| seb128 | dobey, that's the goal | 14:28 |
| seb128 | dobey, not sure we will get there this cycle but we are trying to | 14:28 |
| pitti | dobey: not necessarily for oneiric, but hopefully in the next few cycles | 14:28 |
| dobey | ah ok | 14:29 |
| rodrigo_ | of these deps: http://pastebin.com/2gWTXHcE <- only librest needs to be MIR'ed, right? | 14:29 |
| dobey | i guess banshee and tomboy are the big blockers for getting gtk2 off the disc? | 14:29 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, yes | 14:29 |
| seb128 | dobey, and firefox and libreoffice | 14:29 |
| rodrigo_ | ok, another MIR needed | 14:29 |
| dobey | seb128: oh, right. :( | 14:30 |
| seb128 | dobey, well apparently firefox has a gtk3 patch which is somewhat working | 14:30 |
| ronoc | rodrigo_, hey, just plugging together that new indicator. 'gnome-control-centre bluetooth' call fails to raise the bluetooth dialog, it just brings up the control centre | 14:39 |
| ronoc | is that call correct ? | 14:39 |
| rodrigo_ | ronoc, yes | 14:39 |
| ronoc | just a bug ? | 14:39 |
| rodrigo_ | ronoc, works for me, so do you have /usr/lib/control-center-1/panels/libbluetooth.so ? | 14:40 |
| seb128 | works for me as well | 14:40 |
| seb128 | ronoc, is gnome-bluetooth installed? | 14:40 |
| rodrigo_ | ronoc, or any output if you run from the terminal? | 14:40 |
| mvo | hey mpt - Im working on the unattended-upgrades stuff currently, there is a workitem about asking if the user should get any sort of notification about upgrades getting installed in the background. I can't find anything about this in the SoftwareUpdater spec, does that mean that the answer is "no" (i.e. just no notifications of any sort that something is going on)? | 14:41 |
| ronoc | seb128, rodrigo_ its installed, the .so is in the right place. gnome-bluetooth though is not in my path | 14:42 |
| seb128 | ronoc, can you pastebin what you typed and the command line log? | 14:43 |
| ronoc | seb128, gnome-bluetooth: command not found | 14:44 |
| seb128 | ronoc, it should be "gnome-control-center bluetooth" | 14:44 |
| seb128 | not gnome-bluetooth | 14:44 |
| seb128 | it's a control center panel | 14:44 |
| ronoc | seb128, gnome-control-center bluetooth brings up the control centre but not the actual bluetooth panel | 14:45 |
| ronoc | thats the problem | 14:45 |
| seb128 | ronoc, can you pastebin the command line log when you run that? | 14:45 |
| seb128 | ronoc, does "gnome-control-center background" work? | 14:46 |
| seb128 | or sound | 14:46 |
| ronoc | seb128, display and sound work | 14:46 |
| ronoc | http://paste.ubuntu.com/647343/ | 14:46 |
| ronoc | seb128, ^ | 14:46 |
| ronoc | seb128, background works | 14:47 |
| seb128 | ronoc, $ strace gnome-control-center bluetooth 2>&1 | grep bluetooth.so | 14:47 |
| seb128 | what does that say? | 14:47 |
| ronoc | seb128, no trace | 14:48 |
| ronoc | grep couldnt find anything | 14:48 |
| seb128 | ok | 14:48 |
| seb128 | if you drop .so? | 14:48 |
| seb128 | $ strace gnome-control-center bluetooth 2>&1 | grep bluetooth | 14:49 |
| seb128 | then pastebin it | 14:49 |
| mpt | mvo, correct, no notifications | 14:49 |
| jibel | didrocks, with latest compiz everything becomes sluggish after using the desktop for few hours. To the point I'll reboot in a minute. Is it known or just me ? | 14:49 |
| cdbs | didrocks: pingw | 14:50 |
| didrocks | jibel: hum, slowliness at start is known | 14:50 |
| didrocks | cdbs: hey | 14:50 |
| didrocks | jibel: become slower and slower isn't the case here (didn't restart since 9am) | 14:50 |
| mvo | mpt: great, thanks | 14:50 |
| cdbs | didrocks: Wouldn't mind if I transfer over 3 WIs on the spec over to you or <insert someone here> ? | 14:50 |
| seb128 | jibel, did you increased memory usage from the compiz process? | 14:50 |
| cdbs | where the spec is the unity integration spec | 14:50 |
| didrocks | jibel: please open a bug if it's a regression and tag it 0.9.5.0. It's not the same than before the upgrade with just unity | 14:51 |
| didrocks | cdbs: no, do not hesitate, the sooner is the better | 14:51 |
| didrocks | cdbs: which one in particular? | 14:51 |
| ronoc | seb128, http://paste.ubuntu.com/647348/ | 14:51 |
| cdbs | didrocks: the wm class matching one, and the nautilus ones | 14:51 |
| cdbs | I'll do the SC integration | 14:52 |
| seb128 | ronoc, ls -l /usr/lib/control-center-1/panels/libbluetooth.so ? | 14:52 |
| didrocks | cdbs: "wm class" matching? | 14:52 |
| jibel | seb128, no, and the process doesn't seem to use an unreasonable amount of memory (162MB) | 14:53 |
| jibel | didrocks, ok will do | 14:53 |
| cdbs | didrocks: err, wmclass matching | 14:53 |
| didrocks | cdbs: what the WI title exactly, can you paste them there, please? | 14:53 |
| cdbs | didrocks: "wmclass matching in desktop files for getting quicklists even if you don't pin the right one" | 14:53 |
| didrocks | cdbs: I don't remember writing that one or what it is about, sounds more a bamf WI | 14:54 |
| ronoc | seb128, http://paste.ubuntu.com/647352/ | 14:54 |
| cdbs | didrocks: yeah, even I didn't get it well. bamf should deal with it. DBO ? | 14:54 |
| seb128 | ronoc, that's puzzling | 14:55 |
| ronoc | indeed | 14:55 |
| didrocks | cdbs: and the nautilus is just the quicklist one, isn't it? | 14:55 |
| ronoc | its seems to be there and everything but just not showing up | 14:55 |
| ronoc | its a new install this machine so shouldn't be an upgrade problem | 14:55 |
| cdbs | didrocks: yeah, and I'll do the copy progress | 14:55 |
| cdbs | didrocks: only the quicklist one, and the wmclass one, whatever it is :) | 14:56 |
| seb128 | ronoc, does it show up in the gnome-control-center shell? | 14:56 |
| ronoc | yes | 14:56 |
| ronoc | but I'll test it | 14:56 |
| seb128 | can you open it? | 14:56 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, ^ help there ;-) | 14:56 |
| ronoc | seb128, no | 14:56 |
| ronoc | that's it | 14:56 |
| seb128 | ronoc, I bet it's your broken pulse install again | 14:57 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, unping | 14:57 |
| ronoc | maybe | 14:57 |
| didrocks | cdbs: I won't do the wmclass if I don't understand what it is, just land it over to DBO for now :) give me the quicklist one | 14:57 |
| seb128 | ronoc, is there any way you could try with the ubuntu pulse? | 14:57 |
| cdbs | didrocks: alright, making the changes | 14:57 |
| didrocks | thanks | 14:57 |
| ronoc | I can but for now I would rather leave the hookie pulse in place in order to test a feature Harry, diwic and I are working no | 14:57 |
| ronoc | on even | 14:58 |
| ronoc | seb128, i trust it works :) | 14:58 |
| seb128 | ronoc, ok, so just assume the call will work on a non hacked system like yours ;-) | 14:58 |
| ronoc | seb128, exactly | 14:58 |
| ronoc | fingers, toes and eye lashes crossed :) | 14:58 |
| cdbs | didrocks: Done. You have the quicklist one, and DBO has the *ahem* one :) | 14:58 |
| DBO | ahem? | 14:58 |
| DBO | link? | 14:59 |
| seb128 | brb | 14:59 |
| cdbs | DBO: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-default-apps-unity-integration | 15:01 |
| cdbs | DBO: See the WI assigned to you | 15:02 |
| DBO | cdbs, I dont see any | 15:02 |
| DBO | ah | 15:02 |
| DBO | I see it now | 15:03 |
| cdbs | DBO: Check clearly, you're jassmith right? | 15:03 |
| DBO | yeah sorry | 15:03 |
| DBO | I was expecting Jason Smith | 15:03 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, do you know if g-c-c specify things like the login shell to use to accountsservice? | 15:07 |
| * cdbs leaves | 15:07 | |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, default seems to be sh rather than bash, is that a g-c-c or accountsservice bug? | 15:07 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, hmm, I think it's accountsservice | 15:10 |
| rodrigo_ | yes, g-c-c does not tell it which shell to use | 15:11 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, accountsservice doesn't specify a shell either, it just uses the default, determined by useradd | 15:12 |
| chrisccoulson | (which is defined in /etc/default/useradd) | 15:12 |
| chrisccoulson | SHELL=/bin/sh | 15:12 |
| chrisccoulson | mvo - XB-Upgrade-Requires looks ok (sorry, i only just saw your message) | 15:13 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, shouldn't it use adduser rather than useradd? | 15:13 |
| seb128 | " useradd is a low level utility for adding users. On Debian, | 15:14 |
| seb128 | administrators should usually use adduser(8) instead. | 15:14 |
| seb128 | " | 15:14 |
| seb128 | it's from the useradd manpage | 15:14 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, i'm not sure. it seems that adduser sets a different login shell by default too | 15:14 |
| seb128 | no | 15:15 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm not sure which is the correct one to use though | 15:15 |
| seb128 | adduser uses bash by default | 15:15 |
| seb128 | it doesn't make sense to use dash as an user shell | 15:15 |
| seb128 | $ grep sh adduser.conf | 15:16 |
| seb128 | # The DSHELL variable specifies the default login shell on your | 15:16 |
| seb128 | DSHELL=/bin/bash | 15:16 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, it doesn't look like it would be difficult to use adduser, but is that more correct than changing the default in /etc/default/useradd to bash? | 15:16 |
| seb128 | well the useradd manpage recommends using adduser | 15:16 |
| seb128 | the useradd default should probably be fixed on ubuntu as well yes | 15:17 |
| seb128 | but still if useradd documentation recommends it to not be used it should perhaps not be ;-) | 15:18 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, is adduser debian/ubuntu specific? | 15:18 |
| seb128 | seems so | 15:19 |
| seb128 | google says that on redhat it's a symlink to useradd | 15:19 |
| pitti | jasoncwarner, Sweetshark, bryceh, chrisccoulson, didrocks, tremolux, Riddell, kenvandine, cyphermox, mterry, rodrigo_, seb128, tkamppeter, pedro_: meeting reminder in 10 mins | 15:19 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, http://serverfault.com/questions/218993/whats-the-difference-between-useradd-and-adduser says | 15:19 |
| seb128 | "On Ubuntu, useradd simply creates an entry in the user database (/etc/passwd etc.). | 15:19 |
| seb128 | adduser on the other hand also creates a home directory for the user, populates it with the content of /etc/skel and lets you set the password interactively." | 15:20 |
| seb128 | let me move that to #ubuntu-devel | 15:21 |
| seb128 | it's a bit out of desktop discussions ;-) | 15:21 |
| chrisccoulson | sure :) | 15:21 |
| pitti | kenvandine: do you want to put the partner update to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-07-19 before the meeting? | 15:22 |
| kenvandine | pitti, doing it now :) | 15:22 |
| * pedro_ waves | 15:29 | |
| seb128 | hey | 15:30 |
| seb128 | pitti, meeting ;-) | 15:31 |
| * kenvandine waves | 15:31 | |
| pitti | oops | 15:31 |
| pitti | jasoncwarner, Sweetshark, bryceh, chrisccoulson, didrocks, tremolux, Riddell, kenvandine, cyphermox, mterry, rodrigo_, seb128, tkamppeter, pedro_: meeting now | 15:31 |
| pitti | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-07-19 | 15:31 |
| pitti | hello everyone! | 15:31 |
| didrocks | hey | 15:32 |
| tremolux | hiya | 15:32 |
| rodrigo_ | hi all | 15:32 |
| mterry | hi | 15:32 |
| pitti | so, let's dive right in | 15:33 |
| pitti | kenvandine: thanks for the partner update on the wiki | 15:33 |
| pitti | kenvandine: so the new icon/name thing in the panel without a menu is now not the me menu any more? | 15:33 |
| kenvandine | pitti, right | 15:33 |
| kenvandine | that is provided by indicator-session | 15:33 |
| kenvandine | and is only displayed if you have more than one user | 15:34 |
| pitti | kenvandine: let me guess, wasting 15% of your panel to show your own name was a design decision? :-) | 15:34 |
| kenvandine | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MessagingMenu | 15:34 |
| kenvandine | for the design | 15:34 |
| kenvandine | :-D | 15:34 |
| pitti | kenvandine: is the absense of a menu a bug, or by design? | 15:34 |
| kenvandine | by design | 15:34 |
| kenvandine | however | 15:34 |
| kenvandine | it means guest session is missing if you only have one account | 15:35 |
| pitti | then breaking the menu structure certainly is a bug | 15:35 |
| tkamppeter | hi | 15:35 |
| pitti | kenvandine: well, it's missing now, too | 15:35 |
| pitti | kenvandine: the session menu only has the logout/reboot stuff, and there's no change user/guest session etc. anywhere | 15:36 |
| pitti | or a link to your personal settings | 15:36 |
| kenvandine | rightt | 15:36 |
| kenvandine | that stuff is in the "User menu" | 15:36 |
| kenvandine | which is only displayed if you have more than one account | 15:36 |
| pitti | but didn't you just say that it's designed to not have a menu? | 15:36 |
| kenvandine | so no way to get to the guest session unless you have multiple accounts | 15:36 |
| * pitti has three accounts on this machine | 15:36 | |
| seb128 | the menu not showing is an unity bug | 15:37 |
| kenvandine | oh, you see your name and no menu right? | 15:37 |
| kenvandine | that is a bug | 15:37 |
| seb128 | njpatel said he would fix it for this week unity update | 15:37 |
| pitti | ah, ok | 15:37 |
| seb128 | it works in the unity greeter | 15:37 |
| kenvandine | tedg is supposed to be working out what we are supposed to do about the lack of a menu for guest session, etc | 15:37 |
| kenvandine | for single users | 15:37 |
| seb128 | something is wrong in the unity panel loader | 15:37 |
| pitti | seb128: not really -- I get an [Invalid UTF-8] there :) | 15:37 |
| pitti | anyway, not meeting fodder at this point any more | 15:38 |
| pitti | but I was interested in the general direction | 15:38 |
| seb128 | pitti, same bug it displays a menu when clicking on it ;-) | 15:38 |
| pitti | thanks for the update | 15:38 |
| kenvandine | np | 15:38 |
| pitti | still ugh@ full user name | 15:38 |
| pitti | kenvandine: whom can we talk to for changing this back to the login name? | 15:38 |
| pitti | on a netbook screen, "Jean-Baptiste Lallement" would take a third of the screen, leaving not enough room for menus | 15:39 |
| pitti | we should totally require designers to have four names! | 15:39 |
| kenvandine | mpt i think | 15:39 |
| kenvandine | haha | 15:39 |
| kenvandine | mpt ^^ | 15:39 |
| pitti | "Matthew-Paul Thomas" isn't exactly short either | 15:39 |
| kenvandine | mpt, lets change your name | 15:39 |
| seb128 | it's displaying seb128 here | 15:41 |
| seb128 | but that's probably because I didn't put my full name with my user account ;-) | 15:41 |
| kenvandine | hehe | 15:41 |
| didrocks | it's displaying nothing there, and I have two users… | 15:41 |
| pitti | didrocks: anything to discuss for unity? | 15:42 |
| pitti | yay for indicator-gtk3 | 15:42 |
| didrocks | pitti: nothing more than what the report said :) | 15:42 |
| pitti | cool | 15:42 |
| pitti | tremolux: thanks for the s-c report, anything to discuss there? | 15:43 |
| pitti | tremolux: do you think the new design branch will land for alpha-3, so that we can get some bigger feedback? | 15:43 |
| tremolux | pitti: nope, mainly trying to catch up some work items this week | 15:43 |
| tremolux | pitti: still to early to tell for sure, but I would tend to think it won't | 15:44 |
| tremolux | pitti: as default, I mean | 15:44 |
| pitti | tremolux: so it'll be a perky penguin thing then? | 15:44 |
| tremolux | pitti: heh, well, it's not ruled out yet for O, but.. | 15:45 |
| tremolux | pitti: it's a lot of changes | 15:45 |
| tremolux | pitti: probably perky, I guess I'm saying | 15:45 |
| pitti | ok, thanks for the heads-up | 15:46 |
| pitti | tremolux: well, the current s-c works, so we aren't "under the gun" here, right? | 15:46 |
| pitti | tremolux: or did we get regressions under gnome 3? | 15:46 |
| tremolux | pitti: exactly, and we are pulling in some 5.0 features still | 15:47 |
| tremolux | pitti: no, it seems in good shape | 15:47 |
| pitti | good to hear; thanks for the update! | 15:47 |
| tremolux | pitti: thanks! | 15:47 |
| pitti | which brings us to ... http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/canonical-desktop-team-oneiric-alpha-3.html :) | 15:47 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: what's the current word on the tbird integration? | 15:47 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: seems some are actually done, like charline's user testing | 15:48 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, that one is done now | 15:48 |
| pitti | and the "Discuss strategy for creating new Ubuntu One address book" is actually three WIs | 15:48 |
| pitti | did that come up in the last meeting? | 15:48 |
| chrisccoulson | the launcher integration is done too | 15:48 |
| chrisccoulson | oh, i don't think we mentioned that one in the end | 15:49 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: can you put it on tomorrow's agenda? | 15:49 |
| pitti | strategic discussion is already quite late at this point | 15:49 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - yeah, will do | 15:49 |
| pitti | thanks | 15:49 |
| pitti | bryceh, RAOF: should we move https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/multimedia-desktop-n-xorg-multihead-defaults to p at this point, or do you still want to work on this for o? | 15:50 |
| pitti | (^ for eastern edition) | 15:50 |
| pitti | kenvandine: new gwibber landed, great! looks like the remaining things on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-gwibber-gtk3 are now "nice to have" extra features? | 15:51 |
| pitti | or do they represent regressions? | 15:51 |
| kenvandine | both | 15:51 |
| kenvandine | and there are some regressions not listed there | 15:51 |
| kenvandine | working through them though! | 15:52 |
| kenvandine | :) | 15:52 |
| kenvandine | will land another release tomorrow | 15:52 |
| pitti | nice | 15:52 |
| pitti | seb128: for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-screensaver, do we actually have cycles to reintegrate hacks? | 15:52 |
| pitti | seb128: or should we perhaps just slightly patch the top bar to not look so shell specific? | 15:53 |
| seb128 | it's going to be difficult | 15:53 |
| pitti | that's what I thought | 15:53 |
| seb128 | we will probably have extra GNOME3 work still with new things like the online account or contacts browser work | 15:53 |
| seb128 | not counting some design changes suggestion that should come as well | 15:53 |
| pitti | over to perky then? | 15:53 |
| seb128 | let's make it not look like g-s at least yes | 15:54 |
| chrisccoulson | we can just turn off the top bar can't we? | 15:54 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, you said you would maybe be interested to bring the hack code back, do you think you will cycles for it? | 15:54 |
| pitti | well, having a clock isn't too bad | 15:54 |
| rodrigo_ | yes, I think so | 15:54 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, or is tb going to keep you busy full time for the cycle? | 15:54 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, i was going to look at it, but there was talk at the rally about using lightdm to lock the screen. is that still the case? | 15:54 |
| seb128 | good point | 15:55 |
| seb128 | well that doesn't change that if we want hacks support we should still have a renderer for them and a config ui | 15:55 |
| seb128 | but worth checking with robert_ancell if he thinks he will have time to make lightdm the lock screen | 15:55 |
| pitti | kenvandine: discussion in parallel, the avatar thing is done in the current version for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-telepathy-indicator ? or is that something else still? | 15:56 |
| kenvandine | that is blocked by libindicate and gtk3 | 15:56 |
| kenvandine | i'll followup with tedg on that | 15:56 |
| pitti | seb128: so how about I file an alpha-3 bug about improving the gnome-screensaver panel, and we move that spec to p? | 15:57 |
| seb128 | pitti, well realistically move the hacks work to next cycle and keep the "redesign the lock screen" to this cycle | 15:57 |
| pitti | nice :) | 15:57 |
| seb128 | the goal was to use the same design for login and lock screen I think | 15:58 |
| seb128 | but we should check | 15:58 |
| seb128 | - if lightdm is going to be used or if we need a lightdm like screen for gnome-screensaver | 15:58 |
| seb128 | - if robert_ancell will have time for it | 15:58 |
| seb128 | - otherwise fallback to minimal tweaking | 15:58 |
| seb128 | like not displaying a top bar or something | 15:58 |
| seb128 | 15:58 | |
| seb128 | pitti, does it make sense? | 15:59 |
| pitti | sounds good to me | 15:59 |
| seb128 | ok, that's a plan then | 15:59 |
| pitti | cyphermox: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-desktop-network-enhancements -> switching to automatic and optional IPv6 sounds like a small change we shoudl get in as fast as possible; is it actually small, or blocked on something? | 15:59 |
| seb128 | we can move on | 15:59 |
| pitti | I need to catch Robert in the morning, but didn't see him yesterday or today | 16:00 |
| seb128 | he's usually around but not talking if you don't ping him ;-) | 16:00 |
| pitti | cyphermox: porting indicator-network to current NM: is i-network required by OEM or other projects, or could we safely defer that? | 16:00 |
| seb128 | but it's possible that login manager hacking and testing make it no easy to stay on IRC as well | 16:00 |
| pitti | seb128: yes, I checked that; he wasn't on IRC, but I got up a little later than usual today | 16:01 |
| seb128 | drop him an email I guess | 16:01 |
| pitti | ok | 16:01 |
| seb128 | during the rally he was often on a vt for lightdm hacking | 16:01 |
| pitti | will do that then | 16:01 |
| seb128 | so it's likely that he's not on IRC a lot nowadays | 16:01 |
| pitti | while I wait for cyphermox's answer, public announcement: | 16:01 |
| pitti | I'll be on holiday in the next two weeks | 16:02 |
| pitti | so if you need me to do something urgent, please speak up this week | 16:02 |
| pitti | does someone feel like doing the team and release meeting in these two weeks? | 16:02 |
| seb128 | can do | 16:02 |
| pitti | seb128: would be great if you could take the release meeting, you have most experience with it | 16:02 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 16:02 |
| pitti | and someone else perhaps the desktop meeting | 16:03 |
| seb128 | I can do both | 16:03 |
| seb128 | desktop meeting is easy | 16:03 |
| pitti | (which is mostly preparing the wiki template and copying the log back to it | 16:03 |
| pitti | seb128: merci | 16:03 |
| seb128 | de rien ;-) | 16:03 |
| kenvandine | pitti, have a great vacation! | 16:03 |
| seb128 | pitti, enjoy you time off and crossing finger that you have nice weather ;-) | 16:03 |
| pitti | thanks! | 16:03 |
| cyphermox | pitti: we can safely defer porting indicator-network (AFAIK) | 16:03 |
| pitti | cyphermox: thanks | 16:03 |
| cyphermox | pitti: as for ipv6; I'm working on it right now. It's basically all already on, but we get delays in connections; that's a little bad; but it's more a bug than anything else | 16:04 |
| pitti | cyphermox: ah, good to hear; thanks for the heads-up | 16:04 |
| cyphermox | so I'll just clean up the work items there to make this clearer | 16:04 |
| pitti | that's it from me; does anyone have further discussion topics? | 16:04 |
| pitti | cyphermox: I sent you a review of usb-modeswitch, btw | 16:05 |
| pitti | looking forward to seeing this land | 16:05 |
| cyphermox | pitti: yes, I saw. Thanks a lot.. just haven't looked at it yet on account of being deep in NM code to figure out the connection delays ;) | 16:05 |
| pitti | cyphermox: yes, no hurry | 16:05 |
| pitti | cyphermox: I'll try to get to the second half of it this week still | 16:06 |
| cyphermox | will look and merge today hopefully | 16:06 |
| pitti | cyphermox: it'll take some time, I mostly just added comments :) | 16:06 |
| pitti | so, no AOB? | 16:06 |
| seb128 | pitti, so feature freeze is in a bit less a month, can we land things on the CD while you are not there? | 16:06 |
| seb128 | we have some pending things I've on my list we need to track | 16:06 |
| seb128 | - sort the clutter depends | 16:06 |
| pitti | seb128: sure; you will be the acting release engineer for the desktop team :) | 16:06 |
| seb128 | - sort the cheese new requirement and the fact that empathy will use it | 16:07 |
| pitti | I don't have a personal lock on the CDs :) | 16:07 |
| seb128 | - get gnome-online-account installed | 16:07 |
| kenvandine | cheese, yummy | 16:07 |
| pitti | just see my note about CD size on the wiki page | 16:07 |
| seb128 | - look at packaging the GNOME 3.2 addressbook | 16:07 |
| pitti | we lost our potential 15 MB savings | 16:07 |
| seb128 | hum :-( | 16:08 |
| seb128 | do we still have a pending "drop python 2.6"? | 16:08 |
| seb128 | well I guess it's smaller since we cleaned the pyc | 16:08 |
| rodrigo_ | how much space are we at? | 16:08 |
| seb128 | we need to win at least 11mb it seems | 16:08 |
| pitti | so as for the meeting, thanks everyone! | 16:09 |
| pitti | right | 16:09 |
| seb128 | that's not counting that we will need to add libcheese, clutter, clutter-gst, gnome-online-account, the addressbook | 16:09 |
| pitti | well, 8 MB, as we should have 703 MB images | 16:09 |
| seb128 | thanks pitti | 16:09 |
| pitti | seb128: I thought we'll drop cheese from ubiquity's depends, and move it to universe? | 16:09 |
| seb128 | pitti, 11mb on i386 still | 16:10 |
| pitti | ah, right | 16:10 |
| seb128 | pitti, empathy will depends on it | 16:10 |
| seb128 | or optionally depends | 16:10 |
| seb128 | we might get away with cheese | 16:10 |
| seb128 | but it will bring clutter and clutter-gst in | 16:10 |
| pitti | seems we need to find some time to get rid of that second webkit | 16:11 |
| pitti | and until then, keep the current empathy? | 16:11 |
| chrisccoulson | the blocker on the second webkit is banshee though isn't it? | 16:12 |
| pitti | and shotwell | 16:12 |
| seb128 | ubuntu-sso-client | 16:13 |
| pitti | and libubuntuone-1.0-1, but that might be related to banshee only, too | 16:13 |
| seb128 | software-center | 16:13 |
| seb128 | I don't see us dropping a webkit this cycle | 16:13 |
| pitti | oh, python-webkit | 16:13 |
| pitti | seb128: so what will bring in the clutter stuff? new totem? | 16:14 |
| seb128 | empathy, totem | 16:14 |
| seb128 | cheese -> libcheese -> empathy,ubiquity | 16:14 |
| pitti | could we patch out the new requirements? | 16:14 |
| pitti | ubiquity can drop cheese AFAICS | 16:14 |
| seb128 | not easily apparently | 16:15 |
| seb128 | ubiquity can yes, though ev wanted to use it this cycle to take a picture during the installation | 16:15 |
| seb128 | but I guess we could do some small direct python and gst hacking for that | 16:15 |
| pitti | well, we have to say no at some point | 16:15 |
| seb128 | 16:15 | |
| seb128 | empathy is an issue | 16:15 |
| seb128 | clutter and clutter-gst will be used for video rendering | 16:15 |
| pitti | we could keep the current empathy, or patch it out again from 3.2, or go back to 3.0? | 16:15 |
| seb128 | that's the only way to put controls over the video or that sort of things, that they want to do | 16:16 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, ^ | 16:16 |
| kenvandine | upstream really wants that... | 16:16 |
| pitti | I didn't see any work on downsizing the kernel, or downsizing libo, or the other bits on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-cdspace, so I guess we can't rely on that any more for o | 16:17 |
| * kenvandine runs to lunch, bbiab | 16:17 | |
| seb128 | pitti, it's hard to bring empathy down to 3.0 especially with the new contact integration work in GNOME 3.2 I guess | 16:17 |
| seb128 | well we could probably patch the new video code using clutter out if needed | 16:18 |
| * rodrigo_ needs to run, bbl | 16:30 | |
| pitti | good night everyone! | 16:42 |
| seb128 | 'night pitti | 16:42 |
| tremolux | goodnight pitti! | 16:48 |
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| Ampelbein | hi there, the latest gtk+2.0 upload only ships the symlink /usr/bin/gtk-update-icon-cache in the i386 package, bug 810747 is a result of this. | 18:21 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 810747 in gtk+2.0 "package indicator-weather 11.05.31-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 127" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/810747 | 18:21 |
| cyphermox | Ampelbein: thanks | 18:33 |
| cyphermox | Ampelbein: the issue should alreday be fixed in -0ubuntu4; could you please check the revision of libgtk2.0-bin you have? | 18:38 |
| Ampelbein | cyphermox: it is -0ubuntu4 that has the problem, see my comment on the bug (I used dpkg-deb -c to display the contents) | 18:38 |
| Ampelbein | cyphermox: -0ubuntu3 and before was arch: all, so the symlink was pointing at the wrong place. | 18:39 |
| Ampelbein | cyphermox: but -0ubuntu4 is arch:any and only has the symlink in the i386 package. | 18:39 |
| seb128 | pitti, ^ | 18:40 |
| cyphermox | ah I see | 18:40 |
| Ampelbein | I would have tried fixing myself, but gtk+2.0 is a 2 hour build on my system, so... no. ;-) | 18:41 |
| cyphermox | :) | 18:41 |
| seb128 | should be fixed in gtk but the indicator is buggy as well, it shouldn't call the update command in its postinst, that's done by a trigger | 18:49 |
| cyphermox | this is a pretty cool bug; very interesting :) | 18:54 |
| cyphermox | seb128: testing a build now | 18:54 |
| Ampelbein | cyphermox: from looking at the source it could be that the -bin is still listed in BINARY_INDEP_PKGS (in debian/rules). | 18:56 |
| cyphermox | yup | 18:56 |
| james_w | seems gnome-keyring-daemon is in caps mode, not setuid mode in oneiric? | 19:31 |
| cyphermox | hmm. 42 minutes to build gtk | 20:09 |
| cyphermox | seb128: still around? | 20:09 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, sort of | 20:11 |
| seb128 | on a box with IRC but not on oneiric box, why? | 20:12 |
| cyphermox | well, I filed a merge request anyway | 20:12 |
| cyphermox | for the gtk thing | 20:12 |
| seb128 | isn't get in the desktop set? | 20:12 |
| cyphermox | ah, I thought it would be in core | 20:12 |
| cyphermox | given the relative importance and all :) | 20:12 |
| seb128 | well I think it's in desktop, try uploading | 20:13 |
| cyphermox | sure, I'll check | 20:13 |
| seb128 | if it's not ask kenvandine if he can do sponsoring, otherwise I will do it tomorrow morning when I'm on a box with my keys | 20:13 |
| cyphermox | ah, it seems it is, my bad | 20:14 |
| cyphermox | I really should have checked before | 20:14 |
| seb128 | no worry ;-) | 20:14 |
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| cyphermox | seb128: Ampelbein: done, thanks | 20:20 |
| seb128 | thank you | 20:20 |
| micahg | cyphermox: kees is piloting if you need something | 20:22 |
| cyphermox | micahg: thanks, but I actually could upload that, just didn't expect to ;) | 20:24 |
| dobey | can i bug someone for a quick sponsoring? | 20:27 |
| dobey | https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntu/oneiric/ubuntuone-control-panel/use-dhpython2/+merge/68459 | 20:29 |
| seb128 | dobey, try pinging kees he's patch pilot today | 20:31 |
| seb128 | will do it when I'm on box with my keys tomorrow otherwise | 20:32 |
| dobey | ok, thanks | 20:32 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, could you make gwibber not use python-wnck? | 20:46 |
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| seb128 | kenvandine, it seems there is a one line get screen call, should be easy to use gtk or the wnck gir instead? | 20:46 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, it's one of the few things keeping the old libwnck in ;-) do you want a bug about it? | 20:47 |
| kenvandine | sure | 20:47 |
| kenvandine | must be gwibber-accounts using it still | 20:47 |
| seb128 | yes | 20:47 |
| kenvandine | i'll do it now :) | 20:47 |
| kenvandine | no bug needed | 20:47 |
| seb128 | thanks | 20:47 |
| ejat | hi .. will compiz 0.9.5 backport to natty soon ? | 20:48 |
| seb128 | ejat, not sure it will be backported at all | 20:48 |
| seb128 | it's not a bug fix update and it has already a bunch of known issues | 20:49 |
| seb128 | speed issues and bugs | 20:49 |
| ejat | owh okie thanks .. | 20:50 |
| ejat | u mean the 0.9.5 got bunch of known issues? | 20:50 |
| seb128 | ejat, yes | 20:50 |
| ejat | ic .. noted | 20:51 |
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| kenvandine | seb128, actually, can you file a bug about dropping wnck? the kids are calling me and i might forget if i wait until tonight :) | 21:09 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, sure | 21:09 |
| * kenvandine runs... bbl | 21:09 | |
| seb128 | kenvandine, see you ;-) | 21:09 |
| kenvandine | have a good night seb128! | 21:10 |
| seb128 | thanks | 21:10 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, bug #813182 | 21:25 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 813182 in gwibber "should stop using the old wnck static binding" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/813182 | 21:25 |
| seb128 | mterry, is there a way to open the datetime preferences in current oneiric? | 21:55 |
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| RenatoSilva | http://pastie.org/2239582. The onboard audio is selected as default output. However, the front audio (headphone) only starts working after I "stimulate" it by plugging in some connector in the onboard hear jack. Doesn't happen in Windows. Worth to file a bug? | 22:30 |
| jbicha | RenatoSilva: yes, ubuntu-bug audio | 22:54 |
| RenatoSilva | jbicha: ubuntu-bug audio? tags to the bug? | 22:54 |
| jbicha | RenatoSilva: no, run that command and it will help you report the bug | 22:55 |
| RenatoSilva | jbicha: oh cool! let me see | 22:55 |
| jbicha | you can also run just ubuntu-bug to get other choices | 22:56 |
| jasoncwarner_ | RAOF TheMuso bryceh robert_ancell ready for the meeting? | 23:03 |
| jasoncwarner_ | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-07-19 | 23:03 |
| RenatoSilva | jbicha: it's collecting data since minutes | 23:03 |
| TheMuso | Morning jasoncwarner_. | 23:03 |
| RAOF | Like a fox! | 23:03 |
| TheMuso | Its a rather unpleasant day in Sydney today. | 23:03 |
| jasoncwarner_ | TheMuso: so in other words, you have nothing better to do? ;) | 23:04 |
| jbicha | TheMuso: too cold? | 23:04 |
| TheMuso | jasoncwarner_: lol | 23:05 |
| * RAOF is pondering moving to in front of the fire to defrost his arse. | 23:05 | |
| TheMuso | jasoncwarner_: Not at all, got plenty to do, but its a day thats an inside day. | 23:05 |
| TheMuso | jbicha: No, very windy and rainy. | 23:05 |
| jasoncwarner_ | TheMuso: :) | 23:05 |
| TheMuso | The cold I can deal with, wind, is another story. | 23:05 |
| RAOF | Yeah. It's pretty miserable here, too. | 23:06 |
| RAOF | Although not windy. | 23:06 |
| jasoncwarner_ | ready to get crackin'? [TOPIC] X update | 23:06 |
| RenatoSilva | apport it's collecting data since minutes, what do I do? | 23:07 |
| bryceh | heya | 23:07 |
| jasoncwarner_ | hey bryceh ... you or RAOF want to update us on X? | 23:07 |
| jbicha | RenatoSilva: please ask in #ubuntu-bugs | 23:07 |
| bryceh | sure | 23:07 |
| * RAOF deferrs to bryceh | 23:08 | |
| bryceh | for wayland, I've filed a MIR which we're waiting on. | 23:08 |
| RenatoSilva | jbicha: thanks | 23:08 |
| bryceh | once that's in we can put libwayland-egl support in mesa and move ahead with things there. | 23:08 |
| bryceh | for now we're in a holding pattern waiting on the mir. | 23:08 |
| bryceh | bug report situation is looking quite good for X right now | 23:09 |
| bryceh | either things are really stable, or few people are running oneiric | 23:09 |
| RenatoSilva | jbicha: thanks anyway | 23:09 |
| bryceh | there's a few gpu lockups reported for intel, but upstream says a newer mesa snapshot would fix | 23:09 |
| bryceh | I'm cherrypicking one patch for a confirmed fix and will upload it after the meeting | 23:10 |
| bryceh | I've stuck a new xdiagnose in the archive, which brings improved apport hook functionality | 23:10 |
| jasoncwarner_ | is there any risky or tricky planned for mesa or x the rest of the cycle? Any landmines we should be watching out for? | 23:10 |
| jasoncwarner_ | we are coming up on A3, so after that I would like it to be bugs bugs bugs! | 23:10 |
| bryceh | yes, raof will probably do some additional mesa updates as 7.11 matures | 23:10 |
| bryceh | and probably updates to -ati and -intel | 23:11 |
| * RAOF has mesa rc1 waiting in git, pending wayland MIR. | 23:11 | |
| bryceh | the only major change we're contemplating is turning on Intel's new SNA architecture | 23:11 |
| jasoncwarner_ | timing on those? | 23:11 |
| bryceh | RAOF, ah cool. maybe I'll chuck it in a ppa if the MIR doesn't go through soon. | 23:11 |
| bryceh | jasoncwarner_, SNA is available now if we wish to turn it on. So it's just a matter of having a firm decision on direction | 23:12 |
| RAOF | But the mesa updates will not be particularly dangerous; we're tracking the 7.11 release branch, so avoid the major crack. | 23:12 |
| bryceh | yeah 7.11 appears to be in bugfix mode. Who knows though, mesa can be crazy sometimes. But I agree it's probably going to be smooth here on out. | 23:12 |
| jasoncwarner_ | bryceh: great, thanks. | 23:13 |
| jasoncwarner_ | anything else x related? | 23:13 |
| bryceh | the trade-off with SNA we face is if we don't update NOW, we're faced with being forced to update for the LTS | 23:13 |
| bryceh | however, if we adopt SNA NOW, we also risk more bugginess than if we wait. | 23:13 |
| RAOF | Assuming someone else adopts SNA before we do :) | 23:14 |
| bryceh | oh one other thing with xdiagnose | 23:14 |
| bryceh | I notice that some reports appear to be coming in still without xdiagnose having been installed | 23:14 |
| bryceh | so I'm wondering if we should consider making xorg depends on xdiagnose rather than recommends. RAOF, thoughts? | 23:15 |
| RAOF | I think xdiagnose should be a Depends rather than a Recommends. apt will only complain a bit when upgrading removes Recommends, and then that system will forevermore not have xdiagnose installed. | 23:16 |
| bryceh | alright, I'll make that change. | 23:16 |
| bryceh | all from me. RAOF, anything I missed? What are you working on? | 23:16 |
| RAOF | Finishing off mesa rc1 and enabling the wayland-egl stuff. | 23:17 |
| RAOF | Also, colord. It's *vaguely* X related :) | 23:17 |
| bryceh | oh also we had that xorg symlink bugaboo yesterday | 23:17 |
| RAOF | Yeah. 2007 escaped from its cage and bit us. | 23:18 |
| RAOF | That should be fixed now, and in the future. | 23:18 |
| bryceh | jasoncwarner_, guess that's it. Oh should also note I could be disappearing for paternity leave any day now. | 23:19 |
| bryceh | I'll send a note | 23:19 |
| jasoncwarner_ | bryceh: could you tell the lovely wife this just isn't a good time? maybe in early november would be better? | 23:19 |
| jasoncwarner_ | see how that goes over | 23:19 |
| RAOF | There's also some scope for slimming down the X server packages should a couple of tens of kilobytes be required on the CD. | 23:19 |
| bryceh | hehe | 23:19 |
| jasoncwarner_ | RAOF: I'm pretty sure Pitti would be excited to hear about any 10s of kilobytes at this point ;) | 23:20 |
| jasoncwarner_ | thanks, bryceh and RAOF | 23:20 |
| jasoncwarner_ | TheMuso: anything you wanted to update? | 23:20 |
| RAOF | And finally from me, colord is ready in alioth git. It requries a review and upload - preferably to Debian. | 23:21 |
| TheMuso | jasoncwarner_: Unfortunately no, been fighting infrastructure changes thsi week and have een less productive as a result, but all seems well now so hopefully things can move forward quickly for me. | 23:21 |
| jasoncwarner_ | how are we doing accessibility wise? ubiquity? 2d? 3d? | 23:21 |
| TheMuso | jasoncwarner_: Unity a11y no change, doesn't help when DX are revamping nux's architecture. 2D is no change either, but I am keeping an eye on QT a11y patches and unity-2d dev work itself for things to try. | 23:23 |
| TheMuso | ubiquity well I'm still working on that, the infrastructure change stuff affected my work on that a bit, but that should be behind now. | 23:23 |
| jasoncwarner_ | cool | 23:24 |
| jasoncwarner_ | thanks, TheMuso | 23:25 |
| jasoncwarner_ | robert_ancell, around? | 23:25 |
| jasoncwarner_ | ok | 23:25 |
| jasoncwarner_ | AOB? I have a couple of things | 23:25 |
| jasoncwarner_ | if no one else | 23:26 |
| jasoncwarner_ | ok...#1 from me. A3 is coming up, after which I want us to be focusing on bugs, as I've said...I'd like to see us really hammering every aspect of the system and making sure this thing is awesome. | 23:26 |
| jasoncwarner_ | no bug is too big, no bug too small :) | 23:27 |
| jasoncwarner_ | and those quirky ones thta are all about usability... | 23:27 |
| jasoncwarner_ | and don't get me started on Unity related stuff...hammer Unity to death! | 23:27 |
| jasoncwarner_ | Ok...#2 unity update yesterday/today. Anyone update yet? | 23:27 |
| TheMuso | No, that unity update was for the new compiz ABI. | 23:28 |
| RAOF | I updated last night. | 23:28 |
| jasoncwarner_ | did anyone update to that, though? with new compiz? | 23:28 |
| jasoncwarner_ | ok | 23:28 |
| RAOF | Yeah, I'm running the new compiz now. | 23:28 |
| RAOF | Nothing particular to report. | 23:29 |
| RAOF | Were there meant to be user-visible changes? | 23:29 |
| jasoncwarner_ | I'm having a terrible morning with window lag and I was wondering if anyone else was having that as well. Switching between windows has a perceptible 1s or so lag | 23:29 |
| RAOF | Ah, yeah. That. | 23:29 |
| jasoncwarner_ | it is most noticable switching between firefox tabs | 23:29 |
| jasoncwarner_ | RAOF: so I'm not going crazy ;) | 23:29 |
| RAOF | Oh, no. That's not what I'm seeing. | 23:29 |
| RAOF | At least, I don't think so. | 23:29 |
| jasoncwarner_ | RAOF: what are you seeing? | 23:30 |
| RAOF | Alt+Tab is supremely unresponsive under system load. | 23:30 |
| jasoncwarner_ | ok..might be related | 23:30 |
| RAOF | As in: the switcher window can take upwards of 10s to appear when something's using the CPU. | 23:30 |
| jasoncwarner_ | just wondering if anyone else saw it...I'll check with smspillaz | 23:31 |
| RAOF | Given we're getting a new alt-tab shortly, I'm not sure how much to care. | 23:31 |
| jasoncwarner_ | RAOF: wow... | 23:31 |
| jasoncwarner_ | uh, that probably isn't good | 23:31 |
| jasoncwarner_ | thanks, RAOF I'll track it down...Anyone else have anything or AOB? if not we can end the meeting. | 23:31 |
| TheMuso | Between now and FF, DX wil dump a lot of stuff on us that will likely be broken. | 23:31 |
| jasoncwarner_ | TheMuso: NEVAR! | 23:31 |
| chrisccoulson | RAOF, indicator-datetime-service and e-calendar-factory go crazy here and spam the session bus, causing dbus-daemon to use lots of CPU | 23:32 |
| bryceh | ...and will get reported as X.org bugs | 23:32 |
| chrisccoulson | when that happens, i see the same behaviour as you | 23:33 |
| chrisccoulson | (with alt+tab) | 23:33 |
| bryceh | well, either X.org or Yelp | 23:33 |
| chrisccoulson | but, also, everything seems to grind to a halt | 23:33 |
| RAOF | chrisccoulson: That could well be what I'm seeing. | 23:33 |
| chrisccoulson | it can take me in excess of 5 seconds or so just to switch workspaces when that happens too | 23:33 |
| jasoncwarner_ | you guys reporting bugs to smspillaz and dbo/jason? | 23:34 |
| RAOF | Somewhat informally, yes. | 23:34 |
| jasoncwarner_ | ok...thanks...i'm going to find smspillaz when he wakes up and poke him a bit...he likes to be asked about compiz performance issues first thing in the morning ;) | 23:35 |
| DBO | jasoncwarner_, you'll be happy to know I am working on Unity performance now | 23:35 |
| DBO | now go file some paperwork or whatever it is your job mandates :P | 23:36 |
| jasoncwarner_ | DBO: I am happy to know that. Though, I'd like smspillaz to work on it as well so we can have someone with skillz on the job too... | 23:36 |
| jasoncwarner_ | DBO: :P | 23:36 |
| jasoncwarner_ | thanks everyone! [END MEETING] | 23:36 |
| jbicha | bryceh: so just curious, wayland might happen for, what, 12.10? | 23:41 |
| bryceh | jbicha, depends on what is meant by "happen" | 23:41 |
| bryceh | jbicha, but no, there's no specific dates written down for anything | 23:42 |
| jbicha | how about usable by the omgubuntu crowd, but not necessarily default | 23:42 |
| bryceh | not sure what that means | 23:44 |
| bryceh | jbicha, if you're asking when will unity run on wayland... well have to ask the unity guys, I've no idea. | 23:45 |
| jbicha | bryceh: thank you | 23:48 |
| RAOF | jbicha: At this point I'd be unsurprised to have lightdm, at least, as a wayland server in 12.10. It's unclear to me how a full transition would go. | 23:50 |
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