=== jjohansen is now known as jj-afk === doko_ is now known as doko === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [11:06] hi folks, sorry i'm late [11:07] oops, I didn't pay attention either, let me ping the rest of the gang [11:07] dholbach, agenda is empty [11:07] mako, technoviking, popey, persia, pleia2: around for CC meeting? [11:08] one thing I just want to check quickly is how we're doing with the restaffing of various teams [11:09] I know that a lot of CC members still need to vote for the Americas Board restaffing [11:09] pleia2 sent a mail about this a while ago [11:09] and I think the Asia/Oceania board is still looking for nominees [11:10] the next ones are [11:10] - 2011-09-01 Technical Board [11:10] - 2011-10-07 Community Council [11:10] until we luckily still have some time [11:10] that's all I wanted to bring up [11:10] sabdfl, do you have anything you'd like to discuss? [11:10] I'm happy to dig the participants of the Asia/Oceania thread again to see where things stand [11:11] (and urge everybody else to have a look in their inbox and reply to Liz' email about the Americas Board) [11:13] oh hai [11:13] hey popey [11:13] hi all :D mind if i join ? i probably wont be any useful but ill just see what's going on [11:13] Afternoon. [11:14] coalwater, sure, all the meetings in here are public [11:15] Is there anything else we need to discuss? [11:16] dholbach, i didn't have anything else [11:17] popey, dholbach, i think we can wrap? [11:17] * popey voted [11:17] I have nothing else. [11:17] yes, I think we can - I'll reply to the Asia/Oceania restaffing thread right now [11:18] thanks a lot everyone [11:21] I like quick meetings. Especially at lunchtime! [11:21] cheerio === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-bbl [16:00] \o [16:00] \o [16:00] \O [16:00] o/ [16:00] o/ [16:00] <-- OTP [16:00] o/ [16:00] oops, wrong meeting, sorry [16:00] (NCommander has requested to go early in the meeting Agenda.) [16:01] SpamapS: ping? === Ursinha-bbl is now known as Ursinha [16:02] Daviey: pong [16:02] o/ [16:02] is it my turn? [16:03] SpamapS: i believe so [16:03] #startmeeting [16:03] Meeting started at 11:03. The chair is SpamapS. [16:03] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [16:03] indeed it is [16:03] Welcome! [16:03] [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting [16:03] New Topic: Review ACTION points from previous meeting [16:03] sommer and j1mc to look at doc presentation (continued) [16:04] neither are here, so we will defer [16:04] [ACTION] sommer and j1mc to look at doc presentation (continued x 2) [16:04] ACTION received: sommer and j1mc to look at doc presentation (continued x 2) [16:04] [TOPIC] Oneiric Development [16:04] New Topic: Oneiric Development [16:04] git 'r dun [16:05] o/ [16:05] Full cycle tracking: - http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-server-overview.html [16:05] We seem to be pretty much on target, with: [16:05] server-boot-experience - slightly flagging. However, this is expected to be brought up to state this week. [16:05] server-o-jenkins - is making good progress but limited by Ubuntu AA review / Debian sponsoring, as i understand it. [16:05] server-o-postfix-enhancements - Seems to be unstarted, this should probably make progress soon - or consider dropping (ScottK?). [16:05] server-o-trusted-cloud - Is this the same status? (hallyn?) [16:05] Bugs currently being tracked for Oneiric Release: - http://people.ubuntu.com/~davewalker/release-bugs.html [16:05] (For the TL;DR'ers, we are doing OK. However, please try to keep the bug status of those as updated as possible). [16:06] If there is a bug you are aware of, or currently working on that isn't on that list - please can you raise it here, or with me afterwards. Thanks. [16:06] Sync's/Merges: - http://people.ubuntu.com/~davewalker/server-sid-new.html (We are doing ok!) [16:06] Daviey: trusted cloud shoudl be dropped [16:06] Ursula will be commenting on incomming bug process in AoB i believe. [16:06] Thanks! [16:06] EOM. [16:06] yes sir [16:06] serue_: thanks. [16:07] Alright, shall we then? [16:07] pls [16:07] [TOPIC] Ubuntu Server Team Events [16:07] New Topic: Ubuntu Server Team Events [16:07] o/ [16:08] I'll be speaking at OSCON 2011 http://www.oscon.com/oscon2011/public/schedule/detail/18367 [16:08] July 28 [16:08] in Portland [16:08] Any others? [16:09] Alright then [16:09] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) [16:09] New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) [16:09] hggdh: you're up [16:10] k [16:10] we are releasing 10.04.3 this week; help on the testing is welcomed [16:11] also, a new milestone on Oneiric is approaching... [16:11] apart from that, life is good [16:11] .. [16:12] * SpamapS is installing a 10.04.3 RAID1 vm right now.. :) [16:12] * smb is reminded to go for two more installs ... [16:12] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb) [16:12] New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb) [16:12] hi there [16:13] So there seems to be acceptance to take back the changes in xen xvd naming [16:13] Though it seems to target 3.1 [16:13] Which means I will have to pull back that as soon as I think there are no other objections [16:14] Apart from that I am trying to get xen hvm running in oneiric. Currently being in contact with citrix on that [16:14] But zul probably has some other info too [16:14] .. [16:15] zul is out this week.. do we need any actions for follow up next week? [16:16] No, either I'll contact him next week or I get something from Stefano [16:16] ok [16:16] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions regarding Ubuntu ARM Server (NCommander) [16:16] New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions regarding Ubuntu ARM Server (NCommander) [16:17] NCommander: ^ [16:17] Hey all [16:17] ARM Server is currently working towards our first image bringup, with the work on preinstall pool being completed and in the process of deployment [16:18] in addition, PXE'able images are now available for OMAP3/4, which also works to remove a blocker for ensemble deployment on ARM [16:18] NCommander: ogra_ had proposed an optional upstart job that would add a serial console.. is that still needed? [16:18] As we close in on A3, a lot of effort is going into heavily QAing stuff on ARM, and in general, simply pipecleaning all our mechanisms [16:18] SpamapS: I think it got implemented post-Dublin (ogra is on vacation so I can't immediatley confirm) [16:19] NCommander: ok just checking. [16:19] Anything else? [16:19] Nope, that's it [16:20] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community [16:20] New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community [16:21] speak now or forever hold your peace. :) [16:21] term [16:22] [TOPIC] Open Discussion [16:22] New Topic: Open Discussion [16:22] Ursinha: nice job on the report! [16:23] Ursinha: I love the ubuntu-server-bot idea. :) [16:23] cool! [16:23] so, we're working on changing the bug triage process and add speed to it [16:23] \o/ [16:24] the main proposed change is, in a first moment, to set the importance of the bug, even if we don't have a status to set [16:24] this will help us prioritizing what to investigate next. [16:24] the report SpamapS mentioned is: http://people.canonical.com/~ursula/triage-report.html [16:25] we hope to be able to find and kill duplicates easily, as well [16:25] clean the mess so we can be awesome [16:26] The changes in the process are described in: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase [16:27] [ACTION] All: review new triage process at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase [16:27] ACTION received: All: review new triage process at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase [16:27] Ursinha: how often will the report be updated? [16:27] Great Stuff! Thanks Ursinha [16:27] stats information to be added in that report soon! we'll be able to tell how many bugs are we triaging daily and weekly, and how new bugs are being handled [16:27] utlemming: every ten minutes [16:28] very cool [16:28] enjoy! :) [16:28] .. [16:29] Alright, anything else? [16:29] [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time [16:29] New Topic: Announce next meeting date and time [16:30] Tuesday 2011-07-26 at 1600 UTC here in #ubuntu-meeting [16:30] thanks everyone! [16:30] #endmeeting [16:30] Meeting finished at 11:30. [16:30] thanks SpamapS and guys [16:31] thanks... sorry for the unitylockup-inspired Tourette's in the middle of the meeting [16:32] m_3: lol [16:32] :) [17:00] #startmeeting [17:00] Meeting started at 12:00. The chair is bjf. [17:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [17:00] * smb still here [17:00] ## [17:00] ## This is the Ubuntu Kernel Team weekly status meeting. [17:00] ## [17:00] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting [17:00] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric [17:00] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting [17:00] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric [17:00] # Meeting Etiquette [17:00] # [17:00] # NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input. [17:00] # 'o/' indicates you have something you'd like to add (wait until you are recognized) [17:00] # [17:00] [TOPIC] ARM Status (ppisati) [17:00] New Topic: ARM Status (ppisati) [17:00] Kernel development: nothing to report. [17:00] Oneiric/ti-omap4: got a new BSP drop from agreen, rebased on top of rc7 and rolled out a new kernel. People in the arm team are testing it and so far (besides an audio bug that looks like a pulseaudio issue) it looks good. A kernel package is available here: http://people.canonical.com/~ppisati/ti-omap4-next/ while the source code is available on ppisati@zinc:oneiric-git/ti-omap4-next. [17:01] .. [17:01] [TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (ogasawara) === niko is now known as Guest82832 [17:01] New Topic: Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (ogasawara) [17:01] === Release Metrics === [17:01] [LINK] http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/kt-meeting.txt [17:01] LINK received: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/kt-meeting.txt [17:01] ==== oneiric nominated bugs ==== [17:01] * 28 linux kernel bugs (up 8) [17:01] ==== Ubuntu oneiric-alpha-3 bugs ==== [17:01] * 2 linux kernel bugs (up 2) [17:01] ==== oneiric-updates bugs ==== [17:01] * 0 linux kernel bugs (no change 0) [17:01] ==== natty-updates bugs ==== [17:01] * 23 linux kernel bugs (up 1) [17:01] ==== maverick-updates bugs ==== [17:01] * 3 linux kernel bugs (no change 0) [17:01] ==== lucid-updates bugs ==== [17:01] * 7 linux kernel bugs (down 1) [17:01] ==== hardy-updates bugs ==== [17:02] * 0 linux kernel bugs (no change 0) [17:02] === Incoming Bugs === [17:02] * 62 oneiric bugs (up 13) [17:02] * 1420 natty bugs (up 34) [17:02] * 1103 maverick bugs (down 13) [17:02] * 968 lucid bugs (down 45) [17:02] * 33 hardy bugs (down 2) [17:02] === Regressions === [17:02] ==== regression-update bugs ==== [17:02] * 0 oneiric bugs (no change 0) [17:02] * 6 natty bugs (no change 0) [17:02] * 43 maverick bugs (no change 0) [17:02] * 82 lucid bugs (down 1) [17:02] * 0 hardy bugs (no change 0) [17:02] ==== regression-release bugs ==== [17:02] * 0 oneiric bugs (no change 0) [17:02] * 444 natty bugs (up 1) [17:02] * 242 maverick bugs (down 3) [17:02] * 217 lucid bugs (down 4) [17:02] * 2 hardy bugs (no change 0) [17:02] ==== regression-proposed bugs ==== [17:02] * 0 oneiric bugs (no change 0) [17:02] * 2 natty bugs (no change 0) [17:02] * 2 maverick bugs (no change 0) [17:02] * 0 lucid bugs (no change 0) [17:02] * 0 hardy bugs (no change 0) [17:02] .. [17:03] [TOPIC] Blueprints: Oneiric Delta Review (ogasawara) [17:03] [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-kernel-o-ubuntu-delta-review [17:03] New Topic: Blueprints: Oneiric Delta Review (ogasawara) [17:03] LINK received: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-kernel-o-ubuntu-delta-review [17:03] apw, lag, ralveti: you have work items to review your set of Ubuntu patches. I've pushed these out to Alpha-3 for you. Please take a moment to review when you have a chance. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Specs/KernelOneiricUbuntuDeltaReview for your specific set of patches. Note, these are the only remaining work items for this blueprint. [17:03] .. [17:03] [TOPIC] Blueprints: Oneiric Server Requirements (smb) [17:03] [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-kernel-o-server-requirements [17:03] New Topic: Blueprints: Oneiric Server Requirements (smb) [17:03] LINK received: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-kernel-o-server-requirements [17:03] No change here. As the remains items are pretty much depending on outcome of something else and either fall off completely or get pushed out as we go, I am not sure it really needs to be on the agenda anymore. Would people mind dropping it? [17:04] .. [17:04] if there is nothing to report, drop it .. [17:04] +1 drop it [17:04] +1 [17:04] ok, will make sure it gets off [17:04] .. [17:04] will be done [17:04] [TOPIC] Status: General Oneiric (ogasawara) [17:04] New Topic: Status: General Oneiric (ogasawara) [17:04] Nothing very exciting this past week. I plan to do an upload today or tomorrow to get patches on master-next released. Alpha-3 is Thurs Aug 4th. I intend to upload our final Alpha-3 kernel next Friday July 29th. If there are any patches that need to land for Alpha-3, get them sent to the kt-ml asap. [17:04] bjf, even better thanks [17:05] .. [17:05] [TOPIC] Status: CVE's (apw) [17:05] New Topic: Status: CVE's (apw) [17:05] === CVE Metrics === [17:05] [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~apw/cve/pkg/CVE-linux.txt [17:05] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~apw/cve/pkg/CVE-linux.txt [17:05] We have made good progress recently with most branches only having a single CVE open; CVE-2011-1020 for which the fixes were just identified. [17:05] Currently open CVEs for each supported branch: [17:05] || Package || Open || [17:05] || || || [17:05] || linux Hardy || 5 || [17:05] || linux Lucid || 1 || [17:05] || linux Maverick || 1 || [17:05] || linux Natty || 1 || [17:05] || linux Oneiric || 1 || [17:05] || linux-ec2 Lucid || 1 || [17:05] || linux-fsl-imx51 Lucid || 4 || [17:05] || linux-mvl-dove Lucid || 1 || [17:05] || linux-mvl-dove Maverick || 1 || [17:05] || linux-ti-omap4 Maverick || 1 || [17:05] || linux-ti-omap4 Natty || 1 || [17:06] || linux-ti-omap4 Oneiric || 1 || [17:06] || linux-lts-backport-maverick Lucid || 1 || [17:06] || linux-lts-backport-natty Lucid || 1 || [17:06] .. [17:06] [TOPIC] Status: Stable Kernel Team (sconklin) [17:06] New Topic: Status: Stable Kernel Team (sconklin) [17:06] ||== Status of kernels == [17:06] || [17:06] || Several regressions have been reported in Natty after release last week, [17:06] || None of these were detected in QA, Certification, or -proposed testing. [17:06] || [17:06] || * [[https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/810400|Disks not recognized after upgrading to 2.6.38-10]] [17:06] || * [[https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/811240|Update to kernel 2.6.38-10 causes hang on startup]] [17:06] || * [[https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/809878|Wireless network & graphics card stop working after upgrade to 2.6.38-10]] [17:06] || [17:06] Ubuntu bug 810400 in linux (Ubuntu Natty) "Disks not recognized after upgrading to 2.6.38-10 " [Undecided,New] [17:06] Ubuntu bug 811240 in linux (Ubuntu Natty) "Update to kernel 2.6.38-10 causes hang on startup" [Undecided,Confirmed] [17:06] Ubuntu bug 809878 in linux (Ubuntu Natty) "Wireless network & graphics card stop working after upgrade to 2.6.38-10" [Undecided,New] [17:06] || This is kernel prep week, getting set up to begin a verification cycle next week. [17:06] || Several kernels have already been built and are in -proposed [17:06] || [17:06] || * [[http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/sru-report.html|Detailed Information Here]] [17:06] || [17:06] ||=== Hardy === [17:06] || * [[https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/812360|Hardy Tracking Bug]] [17:06] || * A new kernel is in -proposed. Since this kernel contains only CVE fixes, there is no verification to be done, and it is ready for QA [17:06] || [17:06] Ubuntu bug 812360 in linux (Ubuntu) "linux: 2.6.24-29.92 -proposed tracker" [Medium,In progress] [17:07] ||=== Lucid === [17:07] || * Previous kernel has been released, but a new one has not been prepared yet [17:07] || [17:07] ||=== Maverick === [17:07] || * [[https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/808934|Maverick Tracking Bug]] [17:07] Ubuntu bug 808934 in Kernel SRU Workflow security-signoff "linux: 2.6.35-30.56 -proposed tracker" [Undecided,In progress] [17:07] || * Kernel in -proposed from the last cycle is awaiting certification and regression testing. [17:07] || [17:07] ||=== Natty === [17:07] || * [[https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/811180|Natty Tracking Bug]] [17:07] Ubuntu bug 811180 in linux (Ubuntu) "linux: 2.6.38-11.47 -proposed tracker" [Medium,In progress] [17:07] || * Previous kernel has been released, and a new one is in -proposed. [17:07] || * Verification has begun for this kernel, and will continue through next week. [17:07] || [17:07] .. [17:07] [TOPIC] Security & bugfix kernels - Maverick/Lucid/Hardy (sconklin) [17:07] New Topic: Security & bugfix kernels - Maverick/Lucid/Hardy (sconklin) [17:07] || [17:07] || Current Kernel versions are always available here: http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/versions.html [17:07] || [17:07] || Package || Upd/Sec || Proposed || TiP || Verified || [17:07] || || || || || || [17:07] || hardy linux || 2.6.24-29.91 || 2.6.24-29.92 || 0 || 0 || [17:07] || lucid linux-meta-lts-backport-maverick || 2.6.35.25.36 || 2.6.35.30.38 || 0 || 0 || [17:08] || --- linux-lts-backport-maverick || 2.6.35-25.44~lucid1 || 2.6.35-30.56~lucid1 || 22 || 22 || [17:08] || --- linux-firmware || 1.34.7 || 1.34.10 || 0 || 0 || [17:08] || maverick linux-firmware || 1.38.6 || 1.38.8 || 1 || 0 || [17:08] || --- linux || 2.6.35-30.54 || 2.6.35-30.56 || 1 || 1 || [17:08] || natty linux-meta-ti-omap4 || || 2.6.38.1209.7 || 0 || 0 || [17:08] || --- linux-backports-modules-2.6.38 || 2.6.38-10.6 || 2.6.38-11.7 || 0 || 0 || [17:08] || --- linux-firmware || || 1.52.1 || 0 || 0 || [17:08] || --- linux || 2.6.38-10.46 || 2.6.38-11.47 || 18 || 5 || [17:08] || --- linux-ti-omap4 || || 2.6.38-1209.13 || 10 || 10 || [17:08] || --- linux-meta || 2.6.38.10.25 || 2.6.38.11.26 || 0 || 0 || [17:08] || [17:08] .. [17:09] [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions: Raise your hand to be recognized (o/) [17:09] New Topic: Open Discussion or Questions: Raise your hand to be recognized (o/) [17:09] thanks everyone [17:09] #endmeeting [17:09] Meeting finished at 12:09. [17:09] thanks bjf [17:09] thanks [17:09] thanks [17:09] * smb wanders off [17:09] nice one === Guest82832 is now known as niko === bjf is now known as bjf[afk] === davmor2_ is now known as davmor2 === cking is now known as cking-afk === Zic_ is now known as Zic === bjf[afk] is now known as bjf [19:57] I thought there was a re-approval meeting scheduled for the upcoming hour. But we got an email that the deadline had passed. Does anyone know what happened? [19:57] for the Arizona LoCo BTW [19:59] Dazed_75: the meeting is on in 2 mins [19:59] but we received no application for the team [19:59] did you update the bug with the application before today ??? [20:00] Hmmm, the team leader sent me an email saying we had been unnapproved because the deadline had passed so he would talk to me tonight. Let me try calling him [20:00] well you've been given 9 months to get the application in [20:01] it was due in last cycle [20:01] and we gave a further 3 months to get it in [20:01] phone [20:03] he does not answer. The team leaders basically disappeared. Todd Cole took over and has been working to get thing organized for this re-approval meeting which is now [20:03] well it wasn;t added to the agenda [20:03] and we have no application [20:03] so perhaps for the next meeting [20:04] or add the information to the bug you were added to for re approval [20:04] This is who Todd was workign with: > From: paultag@ubuntu.com [20:04] Dazed_75, the thing that bother me [20:05] is that there is no answer regarding the application but we have received an application for free banners for loco teams [20:05] actually, we received the banners a couple days ago and it was a surprise neither Todd or I knew about [20:06] Dazed_75: see that's kinda unfair [20:06] you were given 9 months to get reapproved [20:06] Dazed_75, you received the banners? [20:06] this is the bug we were on: Subject: [Bug 766541] Re: Re-approval, ubuntu-arizona [20:06] Launchpad bug 766541 in Ubuntu LoCo Teams "Re-approval, ubuntu-arizona" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/766541 [20:06] so up until then we gave it in good faith you would give us the application [20:07] the people in charge 9 months ago basically disappeared. We had a very hard time communicating anything to/from them [20:08] Dazed_75: all I can say is this. [20:08] please submit in your application as soon as ye can [20:08] but until then ye will remain unapproved [20:08] I think Todd thought that was to be done in this meeting. Has been very hard to find info on the process (Todd told me, as I just jjoined this past week) [20:08] though I have been involved in events for years [20:09] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoGettingApproved [20:09] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/LoCoTeamReApproval [20:09] there are wiki pages dedicated to this [20:09] there are 6 people on the council to come and ask for help [20:11] Like I said, I just joined and was made co -leader but have no experience with this process. I know Todd had been working on that wiki approval page but do not know if he knew he had to submit it via a process. Thanks foor the info [20:11] ok [20:11] perhaps mail us afterwards ok [20:11] Dazed_75: As czajkowski has said, put yourself on the agenda for next month. If you need any help reach out to us [20:12] we'll give you a hand [20:12] Alright. Thanks itnet7 [20:12] Or I'll give you one [20:13] If no one minds I will capture this log and send it to Todd [20:13] o/ [20:13] sorry, dodgy connection [20:13] huats: Todd tells me we got a box with some bbanners [20:14] No problem Dazed_75 ! [20:14] Dazed_75, I'll send an email to Todd then to ask him who he asked to get it then [20:15] I don't think he asked for them, so that will be an interesting answer [20:15] indeed [20:15] huats: popey itnet7 anything we need to discuss as it's just the 4 of us ? [20:15] Dazed_75, well he emailed me at least about it === fenris_ is now known as Guest70853 [20:16] czajkowski, nope [20:16] :) [20:16] well we have no agenda [20:16] quiet one [20:16] and no teams [20:16] so unless we need to talk about stuff ?? [20:18] if that's a no then we can leave it [20:19] ok well Good night so [20:21] good night too [20:22] Hey, sorry I'm late [20:23] paultag, don't worry it is over [20:23] oh joy. Righto [20:42] ping [20:42] czajkowski: er... so there won't be any meeting in a few minute [20:42]