[00:26]  * thumper mashed up a cmake rule to build the html file
[00:26] <thumper> that works
[00:26] <thumper> enough
[00:36] <snail> thumper: if you're using xsltproc, you probably already have xmllint installed. you may want to run 'xmllint --noout' on your input XML to make sure that it really is XML.
[00:36] <thumper> snail: emacs tells me it is valid :)
[00:37] <snail> valid for which version of XML?
[00:38] <thumper> 1.0 :)
[01:50] <chrismsnz> anybody here use a tiling window manager?
[01:52] <snail> does an xconsole with a dozen tabs count?
[01:54] <chilts> chrismsnz: I use XMonad, though I used to use ion3 and awesome
[01:54] <chilts> XMonad rocks :)
[01:55] <chrismsnz> chilts: excellent
[01:55] <chrismsnz> chilts: I like xmonad (especially the way it handles multiple monitors) but I don't feel like learning haskell
[01:55] <chilts> me either, I just hacked together a XMonad config over the course of a couple of days and now I don't touch it at all
[01:56] <chilts> am glad I don't have to know more about it :)
[01:56] <chrismsnz> all other tiling wm's seem to handle multiple monitors in some braindead way (i.e. treated as teh same screen for multiple desktops, or worse, has a set of desktops for each screen)
[01:56] <chrismsnz> does ion3 work like xmonad?
[01:56] <chilts> well, apart from the fact that it's a tiling window manager :-p
[01:56] <chilts> they all have their slight differences
[01:57] <chilts> ion3 has the notion of 'tabbing' built in, XMonad doesn't
[01:57] <chilts> it also has a scratch area, which I miss terribly (but I'm used to not having it now)
[01:57] <chilts> whereas XMonad doesn't have a crazy developer who doesn't like Debian and therefore became unsupported :)
[01:58] <chilts> (that was the main reason I switched, since then I considered ion3 to have a limited life)
[02:00] <chrismsnz> iirc, I threw out ion3 after their window traversal controls were one-off the usual vim keybindings
[02:00] <chrismsnz> i.e. hjkl instead of jkl;
[02:01] <chilts> vim is hjkl :)
[02:02] <chrismsnz> i meant it the other way around, ion3 was jkl;
[02:02] <chilts> :)
[02:06] <chrismsnz> chilts: if you get a spare sec can you pastebin/gist your xmonad config so i can have a geeze
[02:09] <chilts> yep, one moment please caller
[02:10] <chrismsnz> chilts: thanks mate, no rush
[02:10] <chilts> chrismsnz: http://paste.dollyfish.net.nz/d9a007.txt
[02:11] <chilts> the things I added differently are 'command-s' for 'ssh to a server', an extra tile layout and 'command-shift-l' to turn the screensaver on
[02:12] <chilts> have fun :)
[02:13] <chrismsnz> it actually looks fairly tidy and understandable
[02:13] <chrismsnz> _b
[02:13] <chrismsnz> thank you sir
[02:15] <chilts> no worries
[04:26] <chilts> mwhudson: mind if I head across now? I'll be there in about 15 mins or so
[04:26] <mwhudson> chilts: now is good
[04:26] <chilts> sweet, thanks, see you soon
[04:26] <mwhudson> chilts: i was actually thinking about bunking off early, so earlier is better than later :)
[04:27] <chilts> if you want me to, I can come along another time?
[04:27] <mwhudson> no, now-ish is fine
[04:27] <chilts> sweet
[04:27]  * chilts &
[19:58] <lifeless> moin
[20:09] <ajmitch> morning
[20:20] <snail> mōrena
[21:03] <mwhudson> morning
[21:05] <ibeardslee> morning
[21:07] <chrismsnz> morning
[21:31] <chrismsnz> Anybody here use an sms gateway they can recommend?
[21:43] <thumper> morning
[21:43] <thumper> chrismsnz: not me, sorry
[21:48] <snail> chrismsnz: i seem to recall that ours changed recently. an independent got bought out by one of the big two
[21:48] <snail> i think we're still looking for a solution
[22:02] <chrismsnz> snail: Ok, we're looking at wiring up our nagios install to one and trying to avoid pagerduty
[22:02] <chrismsnz> thanks
[22:04] <ibeardslee> are you talking about a self hosted one or a hosted by someone else?
[22:05] <chrismsnz> I'm looking for a way to send text messages via our nagios monitoring system
[22:05] <ibeardslee> so selfhosted then
[22:05] <chrismsnz> connecting directly to vodafone's SMSC as a vendor seems like overkill
[22:06] <chrismsnz> so a middleman is not out of the question
[22:11] <ibeardslee> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.new-zealand.general/32728
[22:12] <ibeardslee> Catalyst use ERMS .. although I can't find mention to it beyond the Catalyst internal network
[22:12] <chrismsnz> ibeardslee: thanks for that - interesting
[22:13] <chrismsnz> I wonder if we're able to use a 3g modem in our colo
[22:13] <chrismsnz> i'm guessing not
[22:13] <ibeardslee> ahh yeah that could be the killer
[22:14] <ibeardslee> we've tried that previously, the answer has pretty much been 'policy says no'
[22:15] <ibeardslee> a combination of extra interference and no phones in the server room
[22:17] <chrismsnz> I wonder if anybody I worked with at vodafone messaging is still there
[22:17] <chrismsnz> most of them went to 2deg
[22:19] <chrismsnz> so maybe i'll ask them >:)
[22:41] <chilts> morning :)
[22:41] <chilts> new lappy this morning, though I still can't get the wireless working
[22:41] <chilts> recompiled a rt5390sta driver for it, still no giggles
[22:44] <ajmitch> you have the misfortune of having a ralink chipset?
[22:47] <ojwb> morning
[22:47] <chilts> yeah, but it seems lots of people managed to get it to work
[22:47] <chilts> I've tried a few different settings in some make.cfg too, but still no joy
[22:48] <chilts> next time, I think I'll get a Zareason or something like that
[22:48] <Atamira> morning
[23:32] <mwhudson> anyone know of a git kernel mirror that's in nz?
[23:32] <mwhudson> or at least vaguely net close
[23:35] <ojwb> seems likely there'll be on in .au at least
[23:35] <ojwb> but I don't know of anything
[23:35] <ibeardslee> just checking if we do
[23:36] <ibeardslee> we do host a kernel mirror .. don't know if that's a git mirror
[23:39] <mwhudson> i'm getting decent rates to the git.kernel.org i guess
[23:39] <mwhudson> i'm just impatient
[23:40] <ibeardslee> heh
[23:40] <ojwb> you need lazy-git!
[23:41] <ojwb> hmm, I wonder if it would work to simply fetch the files on demand
[23:41] <thumper> hey, what's happening in here
[23:41] <ojwb> you could probably just use some sort of LD_PRELOAD or fuse hack
[23:41] <thumper> too much talking
[23:41] <ojwb> please miss, they started it
[23:41] <ajmitch> thumper: sorry, we'll be quiet
[23:42] <ibeardslee> mwhudson: "Actually, no, just a subset."
[23:43] <mwhudson> ibeardslee: ok, thanks for looking
[23:43] <ajmitch> I imagine that a full git mirror could take quite a bit more space & bandwidth to maintain
[23:44] <ajmitch> probably not much compared to distro mirrors though
[23:44] <mwhudson> i think a fair bit of cpu too
[23:44] <mwhudson> git clone is harder on a server than 'GET /... HTTP/1.0'
[23:45] <mwhudson> aiui anyway
[23:47] <ojwb> you should be able to rsync a git repo though, provided you aren't modifying it locally, shouldn't you?
[23:47] <ojwb> oh, you mean harder by clients on the mirror
[23:48] <mwhudson> yeah