[00:46] <ali1234> "who is louise boat?"
[00:46] <ali1234> LOL
[01:44] <Jora> hi
[04:57] <HazRPG> morning \o
[04:58] <MartijnVdS> \o
[05:04] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: How's it going?
[05:04] <MartijnVdS> good, but I'm up way too early :)
[05:49] <HazRPG> same really ^_^
[06:22] <AlanBell> morning
[06:47] <GreenDance> Hi, could someone tell me please, what is the replacement for nfs-user-server
[06:48] <MartijnVdS> GreenDance: nfs-kernel-server - support for NFS kernel server
[06:48] <GreenDance> Thanks MartijnVdS
[06:48] <MartijnVdS> it's faster too
[06:48] <GreenDance> :)
[06:52] <j0nr> morning folks (to any unfortunate enough to already be half an hour into work)
[06:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning all
[06:52] <dwatkins> mornin'
[06:53] <MooDoo> morning all
[06:53] <GreenDance> morning all
[07:00] <popey> morning all
[07:01] <MartijnVdS> all, morning
[07:01] <DJones> Morning folks
[07:06] <popey> anyone else got a cupcake in their chrome browser today?
[07:06] <popey> http://twitpic.com/5sdu7c
[07:11] <MooDoo> not me
[07:16] <MooDoo> popey, mutiple profiles turned on?  apparently it's default icon when they are
[07:16] <MooDoo> http://chromestory.com/2011/06/your-own-google-chrome-with-an-avatar-to-add-color-multiprofiles/?replytocom=12046
[07:19] <MooDoo> as you've discovered yourself by your facebook post :D
[07:28] <AlanBell> popey: http://www.ghacks.net/2011/07/19/google-chrome-cupcake-icon/
[07:28] <AlanBell> so don't delete the default profile seems good advice
[07:29] <AlanBell> what an odd icon for them to choose
[07:30] <Apacheuk> AlanBell: Its Google, whats odd for normal people is the norm for Google :)
[07:34] <dwatkins> nice icon
[07:35] <daubers> Morning
[07:35] <dwatkins> hi daubers
[07:36] <dwatkins> I'm surprised the cupcake can't be disabled, however.
[07:36] <MooDoo> hi daubers
[07:37] <daubers> Why would you disable a cupcake? Just _eat_ it!
[07:37] <MooDoo> why did i think of michael jackson after that last sentence?
[07:40] <popey> I need to order some RAM for my Eee 900's
[07:40] <popey> one has 512MB, one has 1GB, they run a bit slow
[07:41] <daubers> I need to clean/reformat my eee
[07:41] <daubers> make it ready for OU stuffs
[07:42] <MooDoo> daubers, what course you doing?
[07:42] <daubers> MooDoo: TU100, it's the first part of the CS degree
[07:42] <daubers> Need to put in for one of the maths ones too
[07:47] <popey> yay, ordered
[07:47]  * bigcalm consideres himself quite ordered
[07:56] <hoover> Morning all
[07:57] <MooDoo> morning hoover
[07:57]  * MooDoo upgraged to oneiric last night :D
[08:06] <popey> Pro-tip: Don't ssh to the kids laptops and run "apt-get install" something when they're out of sight. They both just shut the lids, suspending them.
[08:06] <popey> Hopefully it will just carry on when they open the lid later
[08:13] <hoover> yay! a new lugradio episode ;-D
[08:14] <MooDoo> it's been a long time coming :D
[08:14] <oimon> popey: what's running on the eee 900 right now?
[08:15] <hoover> Indeed
[08:15] <popey> oimon: Ubuntu 11.04
[08:15] <hoover> I only deleted their RSS last year or so ;-)
[08:15] <oimon> if i remember correct, the 900 has the same processor as the 701
[08:15] <popey> it does
[08:15] <popey> but the 701 is underclocked to 600MHz
[08:15] <oimon> would be perfect for chrome os , if it worked :(
[08:15] <popey> the 900 runs at 900MHz
[08:16] <oimon> running lubuntu at the mo, but distros have never stayed more than 3-6 months on it
[08:18] <bigcalm> Updating base-files. Reboot required?
[08:20] <popey> nah
[08:20]  * dwatkins sends BT a long e-mail describing the fact his broadband stopped working when he prepared to run their broadband speed test
[08:20]  * bigcalm continues then :)
[08:23] <bigcalm> I wonder when dabs will ship my ssd
[08:25] <oimon> i got mine in 1 day from dabs, even with the economy shipping :D
[08:27] <dwatkins> What size SSDs are you people getting? I'm curious as to where the sweet-spot for price vs capacity is
[08:27] <bigcalm> Luck of the draw. I've had shipping sped up in the past from different suppliers. No rush for me though. I won't have time to install it until next month sometime
[08:27] <bigcalm> I went for a 60gb for £79.99
[08:28] <oimon> got a 128gb samsung one
[08:28] <oimon> for a colleague
[08:28] <oimon> £180
[08:32]  * dwatkins will do some comparative research
[08:32] <dwatkins> did y'all get them from Amazon?
[08:33] <bigcalm> Dabs.com
[08:33] <dwatkins> I'll compare with scan.co.uk also as they're good for some things
[08:33] <bigcalm> I would have bought from Amazon, but the price was fluctuating and then went over the Dabs.com price
[08:33] <gord> i have 64gb ones, i use hard-drives for storage and honestly 32gb will do you fine for ubuntu without storage
[08:33] <bigcalm> Yay for Invisible Hand plugin for web browsers
[08:33] <oimon> ooerr sounds a bit pervy
[08:34] <bigcalm> I think popey introducted me to it
[08:36] <oimon> what's the catch with it?
[08:36] <oimon> ah ok: If you buy a product after clicking on the button in an InvisibleHand notification, the retailer or seller pays us a small commissio
[08:36] <oimon> might check it out
[08:37] <dwatkins> also, check out quidco - you get the commission through them instead of someone else
[08:41] <oimon> my quota at work is full so i'm checking some directories...amazed to find my wine directory is 500MB! i only use it for word viewer
[08:42] <HarryHaaren> Mornin!
[08:46] <MooDoo> morning HarryHaaren
[08:54] <dwatkins> oimon: can't you use googledocs instead?
[08:54] <dwatkins> ...or abiword
[08:55] <popey> blimey
[08:55] <popey> people actually use word viewer
[08:58] <Daviey> I thought word viewer was one of the few reasons mst-corefonts could be distributed.
[09:02] <AlanBell> !ping
[09:03] <oimon> word viewer is handy to see if an openoffice doc is viewed ok in ms office
[09:04] <oimon> it's my only way to find out, and rather handy
[09:04] <oimon> since i share docs with office using colleagues regularly
[09:31] <hippychick> Killer Ferret on the Loose!!!
[09:46] <directhex> hippychick, is it a cute killer ferret?
[09:59] <hippychick> directhex, yes very much so :)
[10:00] <hippychick> directhex, he is 8 weeks old so he is still learning the world
[10:01] <directhex> this is where someone says they smell, and you describe it as a "pleasing musk"
[10:02] <davmor2> morning all
[10:02]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski 
[10:04] <bigcalm> directhex: I was about to say that the females tend not to smell. But then read that it's a he
[10:06] <czajkowski> davmor2: oi
[10:12]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski again for oi-ing ;)
[10:13] <czajkowski> >:(
[10:13] <czajkowski> behave
[10:14] <davmor2> czajkowski: sorry I'm in a good mood :P
[10:14] <czajkowski> oh joy
[10:14] <hippychick> the females dont smell as bad as the males
[10:15] <hippychick> but a neutered male smells about as bad as a female
[10:15] <hippychick> unfortunatly with him being only 8 weeks he cannot be neutered yet, so he does smell
[10:15] <davmor2> ah ferrets
[10:16] <hippychick> lol
[10:16] <czajkowski> god I was looking for some context there
[10:16] <dwatkins> We got rats this weekend, I'm hoping they don't smell too bad.
[10:17] <hippychick> we got our 4th fuzzie Friday night
[10:17] <hippychick> dwatkins, oly loves rats, so dont tell him!
[10:17] <popey> hello hippychick
[10:17]  * dwatkins remains quiet ;)
[10:17] <hippychick> hi popey \o/
[10:18]  * popey wonders when we're going to have a Google+ Ubuntu-UK Hangout-a-thon
[10:19]  * Laney strips off
[10:19] <Laney> NOW!
[10:19] <JGJones> well it take one to start a hangout :)
[10:20]  * JGJones watch a tumbleweed rolling past....I don't think anyone's taking your offer up Laney.
[10:20] <Laney> this is one of the saddest days of my life :(
[10:20] <popey> http://tumbleweed.popey.com/
[10:21] <czajkowski> I never tire of that
[10:21] <Laney> that's weird
[10:21] <Laney> if you view the image the tumbleweed blows in the other direction
[10:22] <JGJones> My recommendation is to do it wearing a mankini, you'll get more success that way Laney :)
[10:22] <JGJones> popey - heh...do you have  a page for every meme going? :)
[10:23] <bigcalm> I did something silly with popey's tumbleweed: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigcuthy/5863158335/in/photostream
[10:26] <Laney> nice theme
[10:27] <Daviey> popey: horizontal flip eh?
[10:27] <Daviey> very snazy.
[10:27] <bigcalm> Theme?
[10:28] <gord> horizontal flip? what kind of sorcery is this?!
[10:28] <bigcalm> CSS
[10:29] <popey> Daviey: people complained the tumbleweed tumbled the wrong way
[10:29] <Daviey> popey: i feel conned.
[10:30] <gord> its official. the internet will complain about anything
[10:30] <bigcalm> Heh
[10:30] <JGJones> Very true :)
[11:20] <daev> ALLAHJEZERA ALLAH BE PRAISED!!
[11:22] <popey> ALL HAIL THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER!!
[11:22] <hippychick> lol, just as you said that popey my ferret fell off the sofa...
[11:23] <popey> hippychick: Beware his noodly appendage!
[11:23] <hippychick> hehe
[11:30] <davmor2> gord: Oh no they won't and how dare you insinuate that they would :D
[11:31] <daev> i love ferrets! i have two polecats :p
[11:31] <davmor2> bigcalm: calm I'd say yay and get all excited only it won't play in my browser flippin flash I got 64bit 11beta and it still says I need to install the latest version
[11:34] <hippychick> daev, we have a silver mixed Hob, a sandy Hob, a polecat Jill, and a 8 week old polecat hob
[11:35] <daev> beta's do tend to be buggy. the time lost by correcting an unstable version is probably never balanced by that gained of 64bit flash over 32flash
[11:36] <daev> I think one of my Hobs might have some mixed as his eyes are black but reflect red opposed to the normal sea green colour.
[11:36] <hippychick> our Sandy has black or red eyes depending on how much light is in the room, i always say it depends on what mood he is in :P
[11:36] <daev> my jill had silver fur until she was spade :( they are both wonderful though
[11:37] <daev> hahaha that's funny
[11:38] <hippychick> our Jill isnt too well, at the moment, had to rush her to the vets, though she should be fine after a course of antibiotics
[11:40] <daev> i recently lost a hob to a respitory desiese. It was a cryin share because he was a proper funny ferret. a bit dappy and a big alcoholic. but he was PURE muscle. there was no scruff on his nech and larger albinos who visited once couldnt dominate him and he protected all the others of my group. amazing to watch how social they are
[11:40] <daev> shame*
[11:41] <hippychick> we have to have the kit in the living room with us for the moment, the other 3 have grouped together and they are not letting him in
[11:41] <hippychick> having to introduce them slowly
[11:45] <daev> it can be a tedium at times. but the rewards of having a happy family are unmatched by any other pet i've found. and i've had dogs, tortoises, birds, hedgehogs, fish, mice, snakes, and many more. ferrets just win. the smell however is an unfortunate equilibrium
[11:48] <hippychick> i dont really notice the smell too much
[11:48] <hippychick> i found my parents dogg smelt more
[11:55] <hoover> any slowaris buffs around?
[11:55] <hoover> never mind, just googled the question ;-)
[12:07] <dwatkins> patchlevel fun?
[12:36] <MooDoo> another quiet day in the trenches
[12:40]  * davmor2 fires some mortars in MooDoo general direction to liven his day up a little
[12:41] <MooDoo> davmor2, why thank you kind sir, it's so boring i can't even be bothered to abuse czajkowski
[12:41] <davmor2> czajkowski: make his day abuse him a little
[12:49]  * bigcalm returns to haunt you all
[12:50]  * czajkowski sends davmor2 and MooDoo to the naughty step
[12:50] <MooDoo> .me rebels as my 2 year old does on a daily basis......NO!
[12:51] <Daviey> bah, the naughty step is where all the cool people hang out.  Like the kitchen at a party.
[12:51] <MooDoo> lol
[12:52] <czajkowski> Daviey: your spot is well and truly etched there
[12:52] <Daviey> \o/
[12:54] <MooDoo> dents in the step where your bum is usually sat :)
[12:55] <davmor2> Daviey: come join the cool kids
[12:56]  * Daviey has the realisation that they let anyone onto these steps now.
[12:57] <davmor2> Daviey: you're right czajkowski let you on it :P
[12:58] <Daviey> bah
[12:59] <davmor2> Daviey: Sorry couldn't resist ;)
[13:00] <czajkowski> feckers
[13:00] <MooDoo> czajkowski, come be naughty and join us
[13:00] <czajkowski> nope
[13:00] <czajkowski> I'm good!
[13:00] <MooDoo> czajkowski, pah rubbish
[13:02] <davmor2> czajkowski: you're never good so you may as well come and be trouble on the step you know you want too
[13:02] <MooDoo> +1
[13:02] <czajkowski> you can't prove it so I am :)
[13:02]  * MooDoo looks at his note pad and tries to find some dirt on czajkowski 
[13:03] <gord> if you ask me, #u-uk is the definition of the naughty step.
[13:03] <davmor2> gord: +1
[13:03]  * MooDoo joins #naughtystep lol
[13:13]  * davmor2 joins #naughtystep too
[13:15]  * davmor2 taunts czajkowski from the safety of #naughtystep
[13:26] <oimon> what's the best full diagnostic test of a system? already run memtest...
[13:27] <BigRedS> migrate a popular website onto it?
[13:27] <oimon> maybe glxgears for 5 hours,
[13:27] <BigRedS> what're you testing for?
[13:27] <davmor2> oimon: what's wrong with the system
[13:27] <oimon> nothing i hope, but wanna make sure all systems are functinoing
[13:27] <BigRedS> bonnie?
[13:27] <oimon> could run some stress tests for a few hours
[13:28] <oimon> bonnie is good idea for IO, maybe i'll run geekbench for few hrs
[13:28] <oimon> need to learn how to use the phoronix suite
[13:28] <davmor2> oimon: http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=486495
[13:29] <oimon> davmor2: sweeet, test suite live!
[13:29] <oimon> merci buckets
[13:30] <davmor2> oimon: I've had a look there is only mockery in this bucket, there is no mercy ;)
[13:30]  * oimon produces another bucket
[13:31] <oimon> stress test live can go on my multiboot usb stick
[13:39] <popey> http://stallman.eventbrite.com/
[13:44] <MooDoo> popey, registereed
[13:44] <AlanBell> he is great, but I think I have seen him enough now
[13:44] <oimon> surely the message is rather similar each time
[13:45] <Laney> hah, they got that arranged
[13:45] <MooDoo> never seen him so it's a good opportunity
[13:45] <AlanBell> similar, but not the same, he adds and removes random stuff, generally more esoteric random political opinions get added
[13:45] <Laney> local too
[13:46] <popey> We (podcast) got a mail from someone to promote it
[13:46]  * popey notes that the mail was sent to nobody, but probably BCC'ed a number of people
[13:46] <popey> and starts with "I love your podcast"
[13:46] <popey> so I suspect it was spammed out to a number of shows
[13:46] <oimon> i love $podcast
[13:46] <popey> which makes me even less inclined to read it out
[13:46] <oimon> spodcast is a good name for a geek show!
[13:48] <popey> tempted to send a snarky reply
[13:48] <oimon> maybe he/she really does love all the podcasts they sent it to
[13:49] <popey> perhaps
[14:03] <JGJones> Am wondering...does Unity come with some sort of a search - beagle or tracker?
[14:06] <davmor2> JGJones: comes with zeitgiest
[14:06] <JGJones> zeitgiest's more of a event-tracking thing isn't it?
[14:06] <gord> it tracks everything
[14:06] <JGJones> rather than a desktop search like tracker
[14:07] <JGJones> gord - I'm looking for a document which I can remember some of the content...zeitgiest's not finding it
[14:07] <davmor2> JGJones: Nope covers everything
[14:08] <gord> the idea is eventually that if you copy a file, or download a file or whatever, if a file gets on your system zeitguist will know about it, so rather than crawling all your files, eating up your battery life and cpu, it just knows because it gets told when the file first appears
[14:08] <davmor2> JGJones: are you using the files lens or the dash?
[14:08] <JGJones> ah...well the document haven't been opened for quite some time, long before I upgraded to unity
[14:08] <JGJones> so prior to zeitgiest
[14:09] <JGJones> davmor2, files lens
[14:10] <jpds> Funnily, document stuff has nothing to do with a "time spirit".
[15:24] <oimon> just converted another user to ubuntu :D
[15:24] <brobostigon> :)
[15:25] <popey> yay
[15:25] <MooDoo> wooyoo....i'm still working on the wife, and the next time i've got to fix the parents/sisters laptop from a virus, they are having it :D
[15:25] <oimon> the speed of the usb install is a winner, shame it sometimes needs pro intervention on the install side by side with vista option
[15:26] <oimon> i think they will mainly be using ubuntu since the vista was not behaving logically
[15:28] <jimmie> Hey lads dont suppose anyone has two minutes to help me work through a wee problem do they?
[15:28] <oimon> software centre is a massive win
[15:28] <oimon> !info texmaker
[15:28] <dwatkins> What's up, jimmie?
[15:28] <oimon> !info texmaker lucid
[15:30] <BigRedS> jimmie: probably. What's your actual question?
[15:33] <^aDaM> Hi guys I am trying to watch a film and it feeezes an repeats the sound of the movie an I have to press the 'reset button' on the tower, also when I leave a few downloads on the go it seems to restart its self at random times an it ends up on Windows XP as that is the default OS in the GRUB Menu! :/
[15:34] <^aDaM> Can anyone explain to me why it is doing this? Ive updated Ubuntu an it still crashes.
[15:35] <brobostigon> ^aDaM: sounds like pulseaudio is sucking resources, open htop in a terminal. and see what is going on.
[15:35] <brobostigon> ^aDaM: change the players output to something else than pulseaudio, and try again/
[15:35] <popey> if its restarting when doing downloads it could be a hardware issue
[15:35] <popey> overheating or perhaps memory failure
[15:36] <brobostigon> true, i was just thinking about the sound.
[15:37] <^aDaM> I knew it would be that ill give it ago brobostigon.
[15:38] <^aDaM> Cheers popey!
[15:38] <brobostigon> ^aDaM: also consider what popey said, aswell, for the other issue.
[15:42] <^aDaM-PC> Hi guy
[15:42] <^aDaM-PC> s..
[15:43] <jimmie> Gah sorry guys stuff stopped working
[15:43] <brobostigon> linus is on google+
[15:43] <^aDaM-PC> brobostigon: When I install htop I get this message.. I did an update then tryed again and its not working still :/
[15:43] <^aDaM-PC> Pastebin of Terminal: http://pastebin.com/AcPAqFiM
[15:44] <jimmie> Basically im trying to follow: http://www.ubunturoot.com/2011/05/how-to-installcompile-elementary.html
[15:44] <oimon> brobostigon: he tends to say jerk-y things in the past..not as bad as sabdfl's twitter feed though :-o
[15:44] <^aDaM-PC> Dose anyone know how I could get my fan to full speed on my Graphics Card? I forgot how to do it, forgot the commands and stuff as I have not been using computers for a while :D
[15:45] <jimmie> But, this happens:
[15:45] <jimmie> immie@jimmie-PC:/$ bzr branch lp:~cldx3000/slingshot/experimental
[15:45] <jimmie> You have not informed bzr of your Launchpad ID, and you must do this to
[15:45] <jimmie> write to Launchpad or access private data.  See "bzr help launchpad-login".
[15:45] <jimmie> bzr: ERROR: Permission denied: "/experimental": [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/experimental'
[15:45] <jimmie> Even when i login it says that
[15:45] <brobostigon> oimon: ok, interesting.
[15:46] <brobostigon> ^aDaM-PC: that means the hashes dont match, between the package, and the package list.
[15:46] <jimmie> and harps on about getting umpteen other things, none of which are necessary according to the guide
[15:46] <^aDaM-PC> brobostigon: Oh right..
[15:46] <oimon> brobostigon: if he (linus) writes exclusively about linux i'd add him though
[15:47] <brobostigon> ^aDaM-PC: not a clue myself how to fix it, find someone with more apt experience than me,. sorry/
[15:47] <brobostigon> oimon: ok, interesting,i will subscribe and see what i think.
[15:48] <oimon> hehe i might put him in my ubuntu fans circle
[15:49] <brobostigon> :)
[15:49] <jpds> jimmie: why are you branching that into your / folder?
[15:49] <jpds> jimmie: And not saying, your home directory?
[15:49] <jpds> s/saying/say/
[15:49] <jpds> jimmie: Do in the terminal: cd; bzr branch lp:~cldx3000/slingshot/experimental
[15:50] <jimmie> Ahaha!
[15:51] <jimmie> It appears to be doing something
[15:51] <jimmie> You beautiful man
[15:52] <popey> Correct
[15:52] <popey> jpds is indeed a beautiful lady.
[15:54] <bigcalm> o.O
[16:13] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Iain Cuthbertson] Downloading SoundCloud Playlists - http://www.myrant.net/2011/07/19/downloading-soundcloud-playlists/
[16:21] <bigcalm> Oh, I forgot I'm part of the planet
[16:23] <Mez> Well, not going to be able to sleep tonight! Just been told I'm up on a hiring committee today (US time) - so next 8 hours I'll know...
[16:29] <MartijnVdS> Mez: good luck
[16:31] <Mez> MartijnVdS: cheers!
[16:32]  * MartijnVdS got something very "lekker" for the Books and Butties meetup :)
[16:33] <MartijnVdS> http://www.lotusbakeries.nl/lotus/view.php?page_id=670 :)
[16:35] <bigcalm> Google translate is funny
[16:35] <bigcalm> Stuur deze ingevulde briefkaart samen met de originele kassabon op naar;Lotus Speculoos Euro-ActieAntwoordnummer 11856200 VB Maastricht(postzegel niet nodig)Actievoorwaarden:
[16:35] <bigcalm> Becomes
[16:35] <bigcalm> Send this completed postcard together with the original receipt up to, Lotus Speculoos Euro Action Antwoordnummer one thousand one hundred eighty-five six thousand two hundred VB Maastricht (postage required) Terms and Conditions:
[16:36] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: there's supposed to be a space between 1185 and 6200
[16:36] <MartijnVdS> or a newline actually
[16:36] <bigcalm> I'm sure there was, google translate is a mess at times though :)
[16:37] <bigcalm> Amused that it converted digits to words
[16:37] <MartijnVdS> that's a bit weird, yes :)
[17:35] <popey> evening all
[18:24] <Azelphur> Is there such thing as a printer you can get to use once every never?
[18:24] <Azelphur> Something cheap that I can use to print something off maybe once a month without it ceasing up due to lack of use
[18:24] <hippychick> Azelphur, not sure if you find one let me know :)
[18:25] <Azelphur> hehe :p
[18:25] <hippychick> Azelphur, i alway use the one at work for the odd things i need to print
[18:25] <GreenDance> Hi, there's a website I'm trying to find, I've lost it, basically the website offers a repo as the website owner builds the latest apache and php, does anyone know the url to the website please?
[18:32] <ging> Azelphur: that has never happened to me with any printer and i never use a printer as regularly as once a month
[18:33] <Azelphur> fun
[18:34] <shauno> my last printer stopped working when moss started growing in & on it :/
[18:34] <ging> shauno: did you take it to a field and beat it with a baseball bat listening to rap music ?
[18:34] <shauno> nah.  I just left it in the garage when we moved
[18:35] <shauno> (it was a dumb dotmatrix.  it didn't require beating.  very obedient :)
[18:36] <Azelphur> so, cheap and cheerful Ubuntu compatible printers? :P
[18:36] <Azelphur> preferably color, but it doesn't need to be fast
[18:44] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: I have a CP1515n from HP and I love it
[18:44] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: will probably last me ~15 years ;)
[18:52] <Azelphur> seems a bit beefy
[18:53] <popey> my boss has a nice wireless colour laser
[18:53] <popey> he got sick of doing printing now and then, and the ink drying out between
[18:53] <Azelphur> ah, lasers don't have any drying out problems?
[18:53] <popey> nope
[18:53] <Azelphur> so I guess I'm looking for a cheap laser
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> toner is dry already :)
[18:54] <popey> i got rid of a laser recently
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> mine even does IPv6
[18:54] <popey> i had the same toner in it for about 5 years
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> My old laser printer was a second-hand HP Laserjet 5 from the mid-90s
[18:54] <popey> yeah, mine was 2nd hand too
[18:54] <popey> bought a toner off ebay
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> it died after moving twice (too many bumps, I guess), after 12 years of service
[18:55] <Azelphur> hehe
[18:56] <Azelphur> popey: getting fed up with forgetting to renew my giffgaff goodybags, think I'll knock up some python to do it :)
[18:56] <Azelphur> does this interest you?
[18:56] <popey> hah
[18:56] <popey> i dont use my giffgaff
[18:56]  * popey looks around for the sim
[18:57] <Azelphur> hehe, giffgaff is my main provider
[18:57] <Azelphur> suits me nicely the allowance of minutes is more than I'll use and I love my unlimited internet :P
[18:57] <MartijnVdS> GAH
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> STOP CRASHING COMPUTER
[18:58]  * MartijnVdS shakes his fist at oneiric
[19:04] <Hornet> unlimited internet, wutwut?
[19:06] <Azelphur> Hornet: yea, giffgaff do unlimited (no FUP) internet/texts + 250 minutes for £10/mo
[19:06] <Azelphur> they do tiered plans for more minutes too
[19:06] <Azelphur> not allowed to tether, but I tether anyway
[19:07] <Azelphur> once did 5GB in a day and got no hassle, not that I'd recommend trying that XD
[19:10] <AlanBell> interesting
[19:14] <Hornet> interesting++
[19:14] <AlanBell> basically an O2 sim card
[19:15] <Azelphur> Hornet: if you wanna get it lemme refer you :D
[19:29] <Rafz^> Hello!
[19:30] <Rafz^> Has anyone got a moment to give me some advice on installing an application?
[19:31] <Azelphur> !ask | Rafz^
[19:31] <AlanBell> Azelphur: refer me up :)
[19:31] <Azelphur> AlanBell: http://giffgaff.com/orders/affiliate/azelphur :D
[19:33] <Rafz^> OK: I want to use ventrilo to speak to some friends. I have found a program called Mangler that works on ubuntu. I have downloaded the program from this web site: http://www.mangler.org/download/ and have extracted the files onto my desktop. I have then followed these steps: 1. sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mangler/mangler
[19:33] <Rafz^> 2. sudo apt-get update
[19:33] <Rafz^> 3. sudo apt-get install mangler. I am getting an error message on the final step. What am I doing wrong?
[19:33] <Azelphur> Rafz^: pastebin the error
[19:33] <Azelphur> !pastebin | Rafz^
[19:34] <Azelphur> Rafz^: also, is there no way you and your friends can use mumble instead? it's better in just about every way xD
[19:35] <AlanBell> Azelphur: ordered
[19:35] <Azelphur> AlanBell: :D
[19:35] <Azelphur> AlanBell: what you going for, the £10 plan?
[19:36] <Rafz^> I have a new error now: http://paste.ubuntu.com/647571/
[19:37] <Azelphur> never seen that one before, googling about :p
[19:37] <Azelphur> Rafz^: what about mumble though? it's better :P
[19:38] <AlanBell> Azelphur: dunno really, probably the £5 one, it isn't for me
[19:38] <Azelphur> AlanBell: ah, lots of texts then :)
[19:38] <Rafz^> Not possible for me to get 40-50 other people to install mumble just because I use ubuntu ^_^
[19:38] <Azelphur> Rafz^: *shrug* maybe get them to install it because it's a better codec that uses less bandwith, has an osd and positional audio for gaming
[19:38] <Azelphur> my wow guild uses it, as do most guilds with half an ounce of sense now :p
[19:39] <Azelphur> it probably uses less resources than vent does, too
[19:39] <Rafz^> But it's not my call, I just want to join a vent, many vents. It's not used for one guild or one game it's used for 10-20 servers.
[19:39] <Azelphur> fair enough :)
[19:40] <Rafz^> And I agree mumble is better, I use it.
[19:41] <Azelphur> Rafz^: try sudo add-apt-repository -f ppa:mangler/mangler
[19:42] <Rafz^> http://paste.ubuntu.com/647581/
[19:43] <Azelphur> without the try, haha
[19:43] <Rafz^> lol try :p
[19:43] <Rafz^> just saw it
[19:43] <Azelphur> haha
[19:43] <Rafz^> http://paste.ubuntu.com/647582/
[19:48] <Rafz^> any good?
[20:18] <StevenR> AlanBell: ping?
[20:44] <Duser18> Whats an ubuntu
[20:44] <bigcalm_lappy486> A distribution of Linux based upon Debian
[20:45] <bigcalm_lappy486> !ubuntu
[20:45] <Duser18> wow
[20:45] <Duser18> what do I do with it
[20:45] <bigcalm_lappy486> Anything
[20:46] <Duser18> Anything?
[20:46] <bigcalm_lappy486> It's an computer operating system.
[20:46] <bigcalm_lappy486> Consider it an alternative to Microsoft Windows
[20:46] <Duser18> There is an alternative to windows?
[20:46] <Duser18> How much does it cost?!
[20:46] <bigcalm_lappy486> There are several
[20:46] <bigcalm_lappy486> Ubuntu is free
[20:47] <Duser18> FREE?
[20:47] <Duser18> What is the catch!?
[20:47] <bigcalm_lappy486> Which is also the case for many Linux distributions
[20:47] <bigcalm_lappy486> None
[20:47] <Duser18> I AM SKEPTICAL
[20:47] <Duser18> WHAT!?!?
[20:48] <bigcalm_lappy486> Not everything in life has to cost money
[20:48] <bigcalm_lappy486> !opensource
[20:48] <bigcalm_lappy486> !open-source
[20:48] <bigcalm_lappy486> :/
[20:49] <bigcalm_lappy486> !free
[20:49] <Duser18> This is amazing
[20:49] <Duser18> Why havent I heard of it before
[20:50] <bigcalm_lappy486> Never too late to experience something new :)
[20:51] <Duser18> I will tell all my friends
[20:51] <Duser18> I only have 5 friends
[20:51] <Duser18> but then they will tell there friends
[20:51] <Duser18> and there friends
[20:53] <popey> hrm
[20:53]  * TheOpenSourcerer things someone was rather taking the piss.
[20:53] <bigcalm_lappy486> I need to put a post-it on my laptop: Do not feed the trolls
[20:54] <popey> :D
[20:54] <popey> chrome os is a bit nice
[20:54] <bigcalm_lappy486> Might put it on my eeepc 1000 some day
[20:55] <popey> i just tested it on an eee 1001 ☺
[20:55] <popey> sorry, 1008
[20:56] <bigcalm_lappy486> Did it take much effort?
[20:56] <popey> i booted off a usb stick
[20:56] <popey> using the hexxeh daily
[20:56] <popey> so no
[20:58] <bigcalm_lappy486> Funky
[20:59] <bigcalm_lappy486> I wonder if the wifi will use N
[21:00] <bigcalm_lappy486> Is there support for N in Linux yet?
[21:03]  * StevenR wonders when the approval application has to be done by
[21:08] <ali1234> ok my android phone... on the indicator bar or whatever, it has the double circular arrows like when ubuntu needs to be rebooted. what does it mean?
[21:08] <ali1234> i have to reboot my phone?
[21:09] <bigcalm_lappy486> It's syncing?
[21:10] <bigcalm_lappy486> ali1234: what you see is an indication that it is re-syncing with Google
[21:10] <ali1234> oh
[21:10] <ali1234> thanks
[21:10] <bigcalm_lappy486> You're welcome
[21:10] <bigcalm_lappy486> Not had the phone for long?
[21:10] <ali1234> couple of days
[21:10] <bigcalm_lappy486> :)
[21:12] <popey> thinking about putting an SSD and 2GB in my Eee 1008HA
[21:12] <popey> give it a bit of a new lease of life
[21:16] <dogmatic69> o/
[21:16] <dogmatic69> evening all
[21:16] <directhex> popey: i could use some ssds, if you're buying
[21:16]  * dogmatic69 is also looking at ssd's
[21:16] <popey> heh
[21:17] <popey> maybe just a small one for a netbook
[21:17] <hamitron> I saw a nice 30Gb one for £55
[21:17] <dogmatic69> i was thinking a small one for OS only
[21:17] <popey> no room for more than one in this netbook :D
[21:17] <hamitron> only SATA II though
[21:17] <hamitron> :/
[21:17] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/OCZ-Vertex-2-5-inch-Internal-Solid/dp/B003NE5JCE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1311110236&sr=8-1
[21:17]  * StevenR needs more NAS-like storage
[21:18] <popey> tempting
[21:19] <hamitron> anyone have any of these 5900rpm drives
[21:19] <hamitron> "green"
[21:20] <hamitron> jsut wondered if they are fast enough to make use of USB 3.0
[21:20] <hamitron> and how good they are in practise
[21:29] <dogmatic69> hamitron: 111MB/s
[21:29] <hamitron> :-o
[21:29] <dogmatic69> usb3 ~= 5 Gbit/
[21:30] <dogmatic69> s
[21:30] <dogmatic69> so, no :D
[21:30] <hamitron> usb2 is 480mbit
[21:30] <hamitron> so I'm guessing no point in the USB 3.0 unless I get a high speed drive
[21:30] <dogmatic69> hamitron: that 'green' drive sounds like it runs like intel redy boost or what ever it is
[21:31] <dogmatic69> like mobile chips... idles at 5k, and jumps to 7k on opps
[21:31] <dogmatic69> ssd would be more 'green' i should think
[21:31] <hamitron> yeh
[21:31] <hamitron> but I want 2Tb of storage
[21:31] <hamitron> ;)
[21:31] <hamitron> and on a small budget
[21:32] <dogmatic69> ah
[21:32] <dogmatic69> you can buy a 3T for under 100 bucks
[21:32] <hamitron> tbh, it is only data storage
[21:32] <dogmatic69> got 4x 3T's at work for synology box
[21:32] <dogmatic69> raid 5 and all that
[21:33] <hamitron> 3Tb seem a little too much, last I looked
[21:33] <hamitron> also worried about working with my BIOS?
[21:33] <dogmatic69> was about 600 for 4x drives + synology iirc
[21:34] <hamitron> I could live with 1Tb realistically
[21:34] <hamitron> so 3Tb would be wasted for what it is intended
[21:34] <dogmatic69> you can always use more
[21:35] <hamitron> ofc, but this USB drive will probably die quickly
[21:35] <hamitron> :)
[21:35] <hamitron> I guess I should get 2 drives, 1 for storage, other for moving around and performance
[21:36] <hamitron> be nice to get an esata and usb3 external drive, ssd
[21:36] <hamitron> but I am maybe jumping the gun a little
[21:36] <hamitron> have to wait till something decent comes out
[21:37] <dogmatic69> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Western-Digital-Caviar-Cache-Internal/dp/B004RORMF6/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1311111307&sr=8-11
[21:37] <dogmatic69> 110
[21:37] <dogmatic69> 6GB/s
[21:37] <hamitron> 120 ;/
[21:38] <dogmatic69> ok, 120.. the 2TB is 110
[21:38] <dogmatic69> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Western-Digital-Caviar-Internal-Drive/dp/B004CSIG1G/ref=pd_cp_computers_2
[21:39] <hamitron> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/252858
[21:39] <hamitron> more the price I like
[21:39] <hamitron> :)
[21:39] <dogmatic69> hehe
[21:40] <dogmatic69> nice, i was looking at 4x of something like that for the /home/* /usr etc
[21:40] <dogmatic69> and ssd for OS
[21:40] <hamitron> I have seperate storage on my NAS
[21:40] <dogmatic69> raid 6, hot swop... would not like to loose my mc guy :P
[21:40] <hamitron> this drive is for random crap
[21:40] <hamitron> :D
[21:41] <dogmatic69> well, you want it blistering fast to get things quick... also huge
[21:41] <dogmatic69> $$$
[21:42] <hamitron> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/242787
[21:42] <hamitron> another option
[21:42] <hamitron> "another gadget"..... not just a hdd
[21:42] <hamitron> ;)
[21:42] <hamitron> and it comes in different colours \o/
[21:43] <hamitron> I'm sounding like a Mac user now :/
[21:44] <hamitron> I'd just be happier if it had esata also
[21:45] <dogmatic69> 2x the price for a pretty cover :P
[21:45] <hamitron> well worth it ;)
[21:45] <hamitron> well
[21:45] <hamitron> it is, considering I could move it around easy
[21:46] <AlanBell> "SuperSpeed USB" what is that??
[21:47] <AlanBell> marketing name for USB 3.0 apparently
[21:48] <AlanBell> dunno why people in marketing want to simplify things to a point that I am confused and have to look it up
[21:48] <dogmatic69> hamitron: is that ebuyer good? i seem to remember popey complaining about them
[21:48] <AlanBell> same for all that WUXVGA crap they do for monitor resolutions
[21:48] <maco> yeah what DOES that junk mean?
[21:50] <AlanBell> I don't think it is formally defined, so they are not lying if they get it wrong
[21:50] <hamitron> dogmatic69: I order from them at least twice a month
[21:50] <popey> dogmatic69: I dont complain about ebuyer
[21:51] <dogmatic69> cool
[21:51] <AlanBell> I guess someone in marketing looked at a spec saying 1366x768 and decided they didn't have sufficient fingers and toes to work out sums so big
[21:51] <hamitron> popey doesn't complain? :-o
[21:51] <popey> I do
[21:51] <popey> just not about ebuyer
[21:51] <popey> ebuyer are awesome
[21:51] <dogmatic69> could have been someone else
[21:52] <hamitron> widescreen monitors seem so small :/
[21:52] <hamitron> you pay for loads of width that can't be used
[21:53] <AlanBell> yeah, they should be called shortscreen monitors
[21:53] <hamitron> yeh
[21:53] <hamitron> :D
[21:53]  * popey much prefers widescreen
[21:53] <hamitron> I remember the point where tft got to 1280x1024
[21:53] <hamitron> and it just worked for me
[21:53] <popey> ewww
[21:53] <popey> resolution of the devil
[21:53] <hamitron> 1600x1200 is better ofc
[21:53] <hamitron> ;/
[21:54] <popey> ya
[21:54] <popey> 1920x1080 is even betterer
[21:54] <AlanBell> best laptop screen I had was 1600x1200
[21:54] <hamitron> I prefer 1200 ehight
[21:54] <hamitron> :/
[21:54] <hamitron> my laptops are 1600x1200
[21:54] <hamitron> :)
[21:54] <AlanBell> 2024x1152 on my desktop monitor now, and 1366x768 on the laptop
[21:55] <hamitron> 1366x768 seems to be popular
[21:55] <hamitron> but it drags me back to 1024x768
[21:55] <hamitron> :/
[21:56] <hamitron> a time when we had a better resolution for stuff.... but not enough
[21:56] <hamitron> :D
[21:56] <hamitron> I suspect I will suffer with no widescreen in the future
[21:57] <hamitron> as software adapts to the extra width
[21:57] <ali1234> a time when designers cared about every pixel
[21:57] <ali1234> instead of just "draw a squigle and anti-alias it"
[21:57] <hamitron> :)
[21:59] <hamitron> this one: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/220997
[21:59] <hamitron> but need more space
[21:59] <hamitron> :/
[22:02] <hamitron> reckon I may have to just get a case and seperate drive to go in it
[22:08] <hamitron> or I could delete stuff I don't need
[22:08] <hamitron> maybe the best idea
[22:08] <hamitron> ;)
[22:08] <dale> done that and then downloaded same stuff again .....
[22:09] <dale> i need to do the same thing ..... buy bigger
[22:09] <hamitron> it is certainly a risk
[22:09] <dogmatic69> ebyer is 200 bucks cheaper than amazon, and for slightly better stuff
[22:09]  * dogmatic69 retracts previous slander
[22:09] <popey> http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/1089/community-promotion-ads-1h-2011/1642#1642
[22:09] <dale> most of the things i had could be downloaded again it's just the time and annoyance of that one thing you thought u'd never use agagin
[22:09] <popey> if any of you have askubuntu accounts
[22:09] <popey> pls upvote that advert
[22:09] <popey> thanks!
[22:10] <dogmatic69> which one, just to be sure?
[22:10] <dogmatic69> it opened on two
[22:10] <popey> global jam
[22:10] <popey> needs 6 to get in the advert rotation
[22:11] <dogmatic69> done
[22:12] <dogmatic69> up to 3 now
[22:12] <popey> thank you
[22:12] <ali1234> wait, what?
[22:12] <ali1234> i am confused by that whole page?
[22:12]  * hamitron is just confused and gave up trying to understand
[22:13] <popey> bless
[22:13] <popey> its a page on which you can add your own advert
[22:13] <popey> which will appear on askubuntu.com
[22:13] <popey> but only the adverts that get >6 votes will go in the advert rotation
[22:14] <popey> if you go to http://askubuntu.com/ and look half way down on the right you may see an active advert
[22:15] <ali1234> adblock blocks it
[22:15] <hamitron> :D
[22:15] <ali1234> i just see a white space
[22:17] <dogmatic69> would something like this have any problems on ubuntu? http://jsfiddle.net/sf4rc/
[22:17] <dogmatic69> excuse the link, best site i could think of for simple cut paste table
[22:19] <hamitron> I'd get a better SSD
[22:19] <hamitron> 90 quid gets one twice as fast
[22:19] <hamitron> and twice as big
[22:19] <hamitron> monster machine man :/
[22:20] <ali1234> what is that website?
[22:21] <ali1234> it looks cool
[22:21] <ali1234> that computer will have no problems running ubuntu
[22:22] <ali1234> but you won't get anything like the full performance from that graphics card
[22:22] <ali1234> i would get a cheaper gpu and an extra 8gb ram instead
[22:25] <ali1234> you might get sound issues with the HDA
[22:38] <dogmatic69> ali1234: 2x cards is mostly for 4x screens
[22:38] <dogmatic69> that is 4x 4gig ram, no 8gig ram chips i can find
[22:38] <dogmatic69> only 4x ddr3 slots
[22:40] <dogmatic69> hamitron: you thinking something like http://www.ebuyer.com/product/268239
[22:40] <ali1234> oh ok then
[22:41] <dogmatic69> ali1234: but the mobo can take 4x 8gigs... when the arrive
[22:42] <ali1234> 16 is enough for now
[22:43] <dogmatic69> ye
[22:43] <dogmatic69> the mobo on amazon i was looking at had 6x with a max of 24
[22:44] <dogmatic69> dont know why that one is not on ebyer, but seems like it was an older model
[22:44] <hamitron> dogmatic69: that is the one
[22:44] <hamitron> :)
[22:44] <dogmatic69> ta
[22:44] <dogmatic69> how about some handy input on cpu choice?
[22:45] <hamitron> what you do with it?
[22:45] <dogmatic69> mix
[22:45] <hamitron> I've heard hyperthreading can slow down gaming
[22:45] <dogmatic69> loads of windows always open, ssh'ed into 10+ servers all day
[22:45] <dogmatic69> minecraft
[22:45] <dogmatic69> etc
[22:45] <hamitron> minecraft is not my idea of intensive gaming though
[22:45] <hamitron> ;)
[22:46] <dogmatic69> hehe
[22:46] <dogmatic69> on ubuntu its about as intense as it gets :P
[22:46] <hamitron> :/
[22:46] <dogmatic69> mc pushes my q8200 quad core temp through the roof
[22:46] <dogmatic69> will go from 40'c to 75'c in minutes
[22:46] <hamitron> I'm still using 2 core cpu
[22:47] <hamitron> I don't hammer it so much
[22:47] <hamitron> :)
[22:47] <dogmatic69> current load average is 0.04 :)
[22:47] <hamitron> if I compiled a lot of big apps, I may consider 4+ cores
[22:47] <hamitron> but only if I needed it done fast
[22:47] <dogmatic69> now 0.2
[22:47] <dogmatic69> just by opening mc
[22:48] <hamitron> mc runs fine on a single core cpu though
[22:48] <dogmatic69> dont think it uses multi cores
[22:49] <dogmatic69> but chrome with 50+ tabs on the other screen is
[22:49] <hamitron> I have chrome and firefox both loaded with that many tabs
[22:49] <hamitron> on an i3
[22:49] <hamitron> memory is my main problem
[22:50] <hamitron> :/
[22:50] <hamitron> I'd probably get an i5 or some quick AMD cpu
[22:51] <hamitron> if I was building a full sized comp
[22:51] <hamitron> but the i7 is maybe worth it
[22:51] <hamitron> dunno :/
[22:52] <TenKTech> to me the one thing that by itself makes the most difference is hard drive read/write speed
[22:52] <dogmatic69> 230 for 3.4gh 8mb cache
[22:52] <hamitron> 65 quid saving for the i5
[22:52] <dogmatic69> from running aws clouds, cpu > ram
[22:53] <dogmatic69> 1 core, 1.8gig ram is slower than 4 core, 256mb ram
[22:54] <hamitron> my cpu of choice: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/251597
[22:54] <hamitron> but I am a tight bastard
[22:54] <hamitron> ;/
[22:55] <hamitron> the i7 will be nicer
[22:57] <dogmatic69> hehe
[22:59] <hamitron> I am sort of regretting getting an AMD motherboard now
[23:00] <hamitron> (I got one for a crossfire setup)
[23:02] <dogmatic69> hmm
[23:03] <dogmatic69> i got sli on mine currently. new mobo will support both
[23:03] <dogmatic69> but i think sli is better? its just too much techno talk
[23:03] <dogmatic69> sales stuf
[23:03] <dogmatic69> stuff*
[23:03] <hamitron> reason I went AMD, didn't seem to be an intel board at the time with it, for a decent price
[23:03] <hamitron> I believe sli is better, yes
[23:04] <hamitron> but that build is getting funded by bitcoin mining
[23:04] <hamitron> so had to get AMD cards
[23:05] <dogmatic69> sli not working with bitcoin?
[23:05] <hamitron> nvidia cards are not as good as amd cards for it
[23:05] <dogmatic69> would them two gfx 560's be good for mining?
[23:05] <hamitron> nvidia cards are not worth mining with now :/
[23:05] <dogmatic69> *gtx
[23:06] <dogmatic69> they are the factory overclocked ones, which are *much* faster than the stock ones
[23:06] <hamitron> I stopped my GTS450 overclocked one from mining weeks ago
[23:06] <dogmatic69> i had a 512mb GT OC which was faster than the 1024 std (exact same card, just more ram + not overclocked)
[23:07] <dogmatic69> waisting time?
[23:07] <hamitron> it got bitcoins, sure..... but the electricity it was using was worth more
[23:07] <hamitron> ;)
[23:07] <dogmatic69> haha
[23:07] <dogmatic69> i see
[23:07] <dogmatic69> at 150$ each?
[23:08] <dogmatic69> must be a power hog
[23:08] <hamitron> 150$?
[23:09] <dogmatic69> what is one bc worth
[23:09] <hamitron> $13.50
[23:09] <hamitron> USD
[23:09] <dogmatic69> ah
[23:09] <dogmatic69> close enough :D
[23:09] <dogmatic69> pc upto 1.8k now :S
[23:09] <hamitron> the GTS450 got about 0.02 bitcoin per day
[23:09] <dogmatic69> k
[23:09] <dogmatic69> and the amd?
[23:10] <hamitron> I have 2 x 5870
[23:10] <hamitron> they are getting 0.4 per day
[23:10] <dogmatic69> about the same price range
[23:10] <dogmatic69> as the 560 gtx
[23:11] <dogmatic69> ram/cpu has no effect on this mining?
[23:11] <hamitron> the 560 gtx producing similar number of bitcoins per unit of power, as the gts450 iirc
[23:11] <hamitron> cpu and ram have no effect
[23:12] <hamitron> tbh, the days of huge profits are now over for now
[23:13] <hamitron> dunno if they will ever return
[23:13] <hamitron> :)
[23:13] <hamitron> but I've cashed in, got a free comp and a bit of extra cash
[23:14] <hamitron> btc mining is hardly something to consider now
[23:14] <hamitron> when buying a new comp
[23:15] <ali1234> ati graphics still doesn't work properly if you actually want to look at the output
[23:16] <hamitron> ali1234: what you expect? a graphics card to display stuff? :-o
[23:16] <ali1234> luckily no
[23:17] <hamitron> I'm a little up in the air with what I am doing atm with my comp stuff
[23:17] <hamitron> got this mining rig with 2 graphics cards, and a motherboard that suites a lab bench, more than a gaming pc
[23:18] <hamitron> :/
[23:18] <hamitron> sort of tempted to never install it in a case
[23:18] <hamitron> it has ports forever more
[23:18] <dogmatic69> who said they are running water cooled?
[23:18] <hamitron> \o/
[23:19] <dogmatic69> interested in going this route so i can sleep while dl'ing stuff
[23:19] <dogmatic69> something like this any good http://www.ebuyer.com/product/179302
[23:19] <hamitron> tbh, I find intel cpu VERY good at saving power
[23:20] <hamitron> you are intending to pimp it out totally? :-o
[23:20] <dogmatic69> ye
[23:21] <dogmatic69> whole measures... :)
[23:21] <hamitron> you need the i7 over the i5 then
[23:21] <hamitron> ;)
[23:21] <dogmatic69> dont want to upgrade for a few years
[23:21] <dogmatic69> the i7 is in the cart :)
[23:21] <hamitron> I like the look of them sealed water coolers for the cpu
[23:23] <dogmatic69> http://oi55.tinypic.com/2lmtmc2.jpg
[23:24] <dogmatic69> ebyer seems to only have 2 kits that will work
[23:24] <hamitron> you run linux?
[23:24] <dogmatic69> ye
[23:24] <dogmatic69> ubuntu 10.10 currently
[23:25] <dogmatic69> might introduce another ssd for windows
[23:25] <dogmatic69> dual boot
[23:25] <hamitron> is SLI good on linux?
[23:25] <hamitron> ah, so you will be gaming on windows?
[23:25]  * hamitron does
[23:25] <hamitron> no need to be shy!
[23:25] <hamitron> ;)
[23:25] <dogmatic69> maybe
[23:26] <dogmatic69> not a huge gammer, but crysis2 looks awesome
[23:26] <dogmatic69> got sc2 around also
[23:26] <hamitron> tbh, I'd get some cheaper graphics cards
[23:26] <dogmatic69> mostly minecraft
[23:26] <dogmatic69> that is not a very expensive one imo
[23:26] <WorMzy> Minecraft works fine on Linux
[23:26] <dogmatic69> ye
[23:26] <hamitron> gts450 are only £75
[23:26] <WorMzy> Assuming you have graphics drivers installed
[23:27] <hamitron> my gaming rig is a single gts450 and it can run F1 2010 on high settings wonderful
[23:27] <hamitron> :)
[23:27] <hamitron> DIRT 3 also
[23:28] <dogmatic69> but that is 128bit vs 256bit
[23:29] <dogmatic69> afaik that is a big difference
[23:29] <hamitron> I don't worry about bits, only fps
[23:30] <hamitron> ;)
[23:30] <hamitron> really does depend on if you have money to burn, and how serious gamer you are
[23:35] <WorMzy> The game designer?
[23:36] <WorMzy> Oops
[23:36] <WorMzy> Wrong channel
[23:36] <popey> how can I find out the power usage of a hdd?
[23:36] <popey> ST9160310AS s;ec
[23:36] <popey> bah
[23:36] <popey> ST9160310AS s;ec
[23:36] <popey> GAH!
[23:36] <dogmatic69> lol
[23:36] <popey> ST9160310AS specifically
[23:37] <hamitron> is there a max current on the label?
[23:37] <popey> its inside the computer
[23:37] <popey> http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/storage/r180608/specs.htm aha!
[23:38] <dogmatic69> popey: http://www.hdsentinel.com/storageinfo_details.php?lang=en&model=SEAGATE%20ST9160310AS
[23:38] <popey> so around 2W?
[23:38] <dogmatic69> 1.3A for spin up
[23:39] <popey> the SSD I am looking at is 2W
[23:39] <popey> just making sure I'm not going to kill the battery switching to ssd
[23:39] <popey> ?
[23:39] <dogmatic69> google does not do amps -> watts
[23:39] <dogmatic69> ssd should be lower
[23:40] <dogmatic69> hdd is always using power, ssd should only on read/write
[23:40] <dogmatic69> in theory
[23:40] <hamitron> that hdd uses a lot of power off the 5V rail?
[23:40] <dogmatic69> looks like 1300ma is 6w
[23:40] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B003NE5JCE/ref=oss_product
[23:41] <popey> thats the ssd I am comparing it to
[23:41] <hamitron> yeh, but won't the SSD use 12V?
[23:41] <popey> OS Required: Linux, Microsoft Windows XP, Microsoft Windows XP 64-bit Edition, Microsoft Windows 7, Microsoft Windows 7 64-bit Edition, Microsoft Windows Vista (32/64 bits)
[23:41] <popey> :D
[23:41] <popey> Linux first, like that
[23:41] <dogmatic69> watts = 1.3 x voltage
[23:41] <WorMzy> Where it belongs
[23:41] <popey> Alphabetical I'm sure, but still fun
[23:41] <WorMzy> First.
[23:41] <WorMzy> :D
[23:43] <hamitron> popey: imo, power will be fine
[23:43] <hamitron> even if the 2W is on the 12V, rather than the 5V the hdd is, it is really low power
[23:44] <popey> ta
[23:44] <popey> hope it fits
[23:44] <popey> it's 10mm, the original one is 9mm :D
[23:44] <hamitron> so long as there is a 12V line
[23:44] <dogmatic69> popey: is it a std ssd or performance one?
[23:44] <popey> nothing special
[23:45] <hamitron> it is over priced
[23:45] <dogmatic69> should be lower then, according to wiki sdt ssd's are about 1/2 to 1/3 lighter on juice
[23:45] <hamitron> :/
[23:45] <dogmatic69> but power ones are 2x heavier ...
[23:46] <dogmatic69> im out
[23:46] <popey> yeah, nn
[23:46] <dogmatic69> thanks hamitron and co for advice :)
[23:46] <hamitron> popey: what psu the machine got?
[23:46] <dogmatic69> hope things are not out dated by the time i dust my card off and checkout in the next few weeks
[23:46] <popey> a brick
[23:46] <popey> its a laptop
[23:46] <hamitron> no specs? :/
[23:47]  * popey grabs it
[23:47] <popey> jeez, my eyesight
[23:48] <dogmatic69> ebyer fail : "Password cannot be longer than 12 characters"
[23:48] <hamitron> I guess the motherboard has bits to consider also
[23:48] <popey> exa0901xh
[23:48] <directhex> blarg
[23:49] <popey> 40W apparently
[23:49] <hamitron> this is a netbook? ;/
[23:49] <popey> 19V @ 2.1A
[23:49] <popey> yes
[23:49] <hamitron> my laptop puts more power than that through my pride and joy
[23:49] <hamitron> :/
[23:50] <hamitron> I'd just try it tbh
[23:50] <ali1234> that sounds really wrong
[23:50] <hamitron> :)
[23:50] <popey> heh
[23:51]  * hamitron notes that popey 's netbook will leave all his comps behind
[23:51] <hamitron> :\
[23:51] <popey> its wifeys
[23:51] <popey> not mine
[23:51] <hamitron> that makes it worse
[23:52] <hamitron> :(
[23:52] <popey> heh, she never uses it now
[23:52] <hamitron> exactly
[23:52] <hamitron> haha
[23:52] <popey> that's why I'm souping it up and getting it back
[23:52] <popey> its got xp on it too, so that's going to go
[23:52] <hamitron> :-o
[23:52] <popey> she used it for work
[23:52] <popey> but has changed jobs to a place where she wont need it
[23:53] <hamitron> well, let me know if you sell the old hdd
[23:53] <hamitron> :)
[23:53] <popey> hehe
[23:53]  * popey looks around at some hard disks
[23:53]  * StevenR has an awesome little 1.8"/120GB disk for rescues/etc 
[23:54] <popey> ☺ sweet
[23:54] <hamitron> yeh
[23:54] <hamitron> I fancy having a little drive, USB 3.0
[23:54] <hamitron> bootable
[23:55] <hamitron> I guess USB 2.0 would be fine too
[23:55] <StevenR> popey: I used a KVM-VM to boot from an iso and install on the USB disk, passed through as a "SCSI" disk to the VM :)
[23:55] <hamitron> I only keep saying 3.0 because I wanna use my new ports ><
[23:55] <popey> thats handy
[23:55] <StevenR> though it works fine with a real machine, took it into work and used a server in the lab to boot it to make sure
[23:56] <hamitron> what is performance like?
[23:57] <StevenR> it's ok. running it as a VM kinda sucked
[23:57] <StevenR> but natively, it's just a usb2 disk, so it's pretty slick.
[23:57] <StevenR> it's... lower-end laptop quick I guess.
[23:58] <StevenR> (modern lower end)
[23:58] <hamitron> k :)
[23:58] <hamitron> I love the idea of it
[23:58] <StevenR> it's portable. and runs off one usb port
[23:58] <hamitron> jsut I am often too lazy to reboot my main comp
[23:58] <hamitron> so not sure how often I'd use such a toy
[23:58] <hamitron> :/
[23:58] <StevenR> no wierdo "dual-A/mini-B" cable :)