[04:29] <skyjumper> system76 needs to go with the 3 button trackpad
[04:30] <skyjumper> not sure how easy it'd be to give that up, switching from thinkpad
[07:29] <ToyKeeper> If it has two buttons right next to each other, it's not too hard to press the crack between the buttons to middle-click by hitting both buttons simultaneously.
[07:31] <ToyKeeper> However, if it's designed like my netbook, as one continuous button surface with a rocker in the middle, pressing them at the same time is a pain.  :(
[15:09] <joey> skyjumper: just email them about it
[15:09] <joey> skyjumper: if they can build me a custom laptop (the original darter) they can put a 3 button mouse on something :-)
[17:20] <skyjumper> sweet
[17:20] <FunnyLookinHat> skyjumper, what up
[17:20] <skyjumper> hey
[17:21] <skyjumper> was that an auto-response
[17:21] <skyjumper> was really quick
[17:30] <FunnyLookinHat> Nah
[17:30] <FunnyLookinHat> I'm a real person that really responds quickly... and then slowly.
[18:22] <skyjumper> you should tell the system76 people to do a middle mouse button
[18:22] <skyjumper> thinkpad still does it, and is still useful in linux
[18:23] <skyjumper> thinkpad has it, rather
[18:30] <FunnyLookinHat> Yeah it is useful...
[18:30] <FunnyLookinHat> But I think they're going the Apple route... i.e. a multitouch trackpad with the best driver is ultimately better for most users.
[18:30] <FunnyLookinHat> I'd get rid of the middle mouse if I had consistent two-finger scrolling...
[18:30] <skyjumper> hmm, yeah, i might also
[18:30] <FunnyLookinHat> I have a Thinkpad too though
[18:31] <skyjumper> hope they don't "go apple" the same way ubuntu is trying to
[18:31] <FunnyLookinHat> I ultmately got it over a Sys76 because it had Optimus graphics... something I later realized would not work correctly - and I didn't need it.
[18:31] <skyjumper> i.e., abandon the entire concept of a linux power user
[18:31] <skyjumper> the whole reason most of us use it
[18:32] <FunnyLookinHat> I'm not sure I know what you mean by "go apple" ?
[18:32] <skyjumper> removing options, dumbing down interfaces
[18:32] <FunnyLookinHat> Ah
[18:32] <FunnyLookinHat> Well ultimately those are changes made by the Ubuntu dev council and Canonical
[18:32] <FunnyLookinHat> I'm still a Gnome 2 guy personally.
[18:33] <FunnyLookinHat> But I think I'd switch if 11.04 wasn't so buggy w/ Unity on my current setup.
[18:33] <skyjumper> they're also the new philosophy of Gnome 3
[18:33] <FunnyLookinHat> Yeah
[18:33] <FunnyLookinHat> Not much of a fan of Gnome 3 either.
[18:33] <FunnyLookinHat> Though I haven't really given either much effort.
[18:33] <skyjumper> i could rant about this for hours
[18:34] <skyjumper> but in short, most of us just want a lot of control over the machine, without a lot of difficulty
[18:34] <skyjumper> and the open desktop deities don't seem to get that
[18:35] <skyjumper> i just associate the middle-button thing with having control
[18:36] <FunnyLookinHat> Ah
[18:36] <FunnyLookinHat> Well - then continue to purchase laptops with middle mouse buttons and configure everything to work correctly?  :D
[18:36] <FunnyLookinHat> That's what I did.
[18:36] <FunnyLookinHat> :)
[18:36] <skyjumper> or maybe try the two-finger thing
[18:49] <FunnyLookinHat> I used to have a mac
[18:49] <FunnyLookinHat> And two-finger was 10000x better.
[18:49] <FunnyLookinHat> Ultimately, customizable multi-touch was the best thing.
[18:49] <FunnyLookinHat> I just never found a good enough driver for a touchpad on Linux to go with - though I've heard that the Sys76 touchpads are amazing.
[18:50] <FunnyLookinHat> They pulled together a few community-developed drivers and got really great results.
[19:09]  * ToyKeeper <3 the middle mouse button
[19:11] <ToyKeeper> I'd just be happy if they hadn't removed the coordinate calibration thing from the touchpad config tool.  My netbook is nigh-unusable if I enable touchpad scrolling, because it thinks the "edge" is the entire right half of the touchpad.
[19:13] <ToyKeeper> 2-finger scrolling works on my thinkpad, but I never use it...  easier to move my thumb down to the right edge than to move my entire hand down to the touchpad.
[19:13] <ToyKeeper> Plus, it's a small thinkpad so there's barely enough room on the touchpad for two fingers.
[20:27] <skyjumper> ToyKeeper: i didn't have much luck with the two-finger scrolling on thinkpad
[20:27] <skyjumper> scrolled way too fast and didn't detect the fingers accurately