[04:29] system76 needs to go with the 3 button trackpad [04:30] not sure how easy it'd be to give that up, switching from thinkpad [07:29] If it has two buttons right next to each other, it's not too hard to press the crack between the buttons to middle-click by hitting both buttons simultaneously. [07:31] However, if it's designed like my netbook, as one continuous button surface with a rocker in the middle, pressing them at the same time is a pain. :( [15:09] skyjumper: just email them about it [15:09] skyjumper: if they can build me a custom laptop (the original darter) they can put a 3 button mouse on something :-) [17:20] sweet [17:20] skyjumper, what up [17:20] hey [17:21] was that an auto-response [17:21] was really quick [17:30] Nah [17:30] I'm a real person that really responds quickly... and then slowly. [18:22] you should tell the system76 people to do a middle mouse button [18:22] thinkpad still does it, and is still useful in linux [18:23] thinkpad has it, rather [18:30] Yeah it is useful... [18:30] But I think they're going the Apple route... i.e. a multitouch trackpad with the best driver is ultimately better for most users. [18:30] I'd get rid of the middle mouse if I had consistent two-finger scrolling... [18:30] hmm, yeah, i might also [18:30] I have a Thinkpad too though [18:31] hope they don't "go apple" the same way ubuntu is trying to [18:31] I ultmately got it over a Sys76 because it had Optimus graphics... something I later realized would not work correctly - and I didn't need it. [18:31] i.e., abandon the entire concept of a linux power user [18:31] the whole reason most of us use it [18:32] I'm not sure I know what you mean by "go apple" ? [18:32] removing options, dumbing down interfaces [18:32] Ah [18:32] Well ultimately those are changes made by the Ubuntu dev council and Canonical [18:32] I'm still a Gnome 2 guy personally. [18:33] But I think I'd switch if 11.04 wasn't so buggy w/ Unity on my current setup. [18:33] they're also the new philosophy of Gnome 3 [18:33] Yeah [18:33] Not much of a fan of Gnome 3 either. [18:33] Though I haven't really given either much effort. [18:33] i could rant about this for hours [18:34] but in short, most of us just want a lot of control over the machine, without a lot of difficulty [18:34] and the open desktop deities don't seem to get that [18:35] i just associate the middle-button thing with having control [18:36] Ah [18:36] Well - then continue to purchase laptops with middle mouse buttons and configure everything to work correctly? :D [18:36] That's what I did. [18:36] :) [18:36] or maybe try the two-finger thing [18:49] I used to have a mac [18:49] And two-finger was 10000x better. [18:49] Ultimately, customizable multi-touch was the best thing. [18:49] I just never found a good enough driver for a touchpad on Linux to go with - though I've heard that the Sys76 touchpads are amazing. [18:50] They pulled together a few community-developed drivers and got really great results. [19:09] * ToyKeeper <3 the middle mouse button [19:11] I'd just be happy if they hadn't removed the coordinate calibration thing from the touchpad config tool. My netbook is nigh-unusable if I enable touchpad scrolling, because it thinks the "edge" is the entire right half of the touchpad. [19:13] 2-finger scrolling works on my thinkpad, but I never use it... easier to move my thumb down to the right edge than to move my entire hand down to the touchpad. [19:13] Plus, it's a small thinkpad so there's barely enough room on the touchpad for two fingers. [20:27] ToyKeeper: i didn't have much luck with the two-finger scrolling on thinkpad [20:27] scrolled way too fast and didn't detect the fingers accurately