[05:54] Morning [05:58] morning sakhi [05:59] haha so like, I was cranking some music this morning, so my neighbor comes knocking on the door and I'm like, shit, he's come to moan at me about the volume, so I open the door and he's like, mannnn I aint heard that shit in years, can I get a copy?! [06:00] rotfl [06:00] hehehe [06:07] kbmonkey: ping [06:10] morning everyone [06:29] morning nuvolari [07:20] Kilos: môre oom [07:20] more nuvolari het jy gewen? [07:21] hi superfly [07:21] hi Kilos [07:21] Kilos: nee oom, ek sal vanaand weer probeer [07:21] didn't have enough time and it got late [07:22] yes when pc goes slow like that it takes forever to find an fix a prob [07:22] was always easier to format and reinstall [07:23] morning MxG [07:23] good morning [07:28] exactly oom Kilos [07:28] but I need to back up my dad's data [07:28] first [07:29] nuvolari, did you get what i said last night above add/removing [07:29] oh ok [07:39] * nuvolari checks [07:40] hi Tonberry [07:40] Kilos: oh, to find the app and remove that? [07:40] yeah [07:41] hello [07:41] Kilos: ja nee oom... dis 'n mission, cursor moves 100px then freezes for ~8 seconds [07:43] eish [07:43] hi professorX [07:43] Hi guys...Missed yesterdays IRC meeting [07:43] bah [07:44] Maaz: ask kbmonkey whether his openbox also runs high CPU cycles [07:44] nuvolari: Got it, I'll ask kbmonkey on freenode [07:48] professorX, dont you get mails from our lists [07:48] hello [07:48] kbmonkey: By the way, nuvolari on freenode told me "ask kbmonkey whether his openbox also runs high CPU cycles" 4 minutes and 13 seconds ago [07:49] nope nuvolari it runs very low actually [07:49] hi kbmonkey [07:50] hello Kilos! [07:50] * kbmonkey is drinking a banana smoothie [07:51] lol [07:51] hi there professorX [07:52] for interest there are minutes of the meet at http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2011-07-18-17-35-25.html [07:57] http://dilbert.com/dyn_file/str_strip/128086/gif/strip.print/ [07:59] Maaz, tell nuvolari for uptime of 9 days, average cpu usage for openbox sits at 0% (ps -o '%cpu' -C openbox) [07:59] kbmonkey: Got it, I'll tell nuvolari on freenode [08:00] love dilbert :) [08:05] good morning [08:05] morning inetpro [08:05] hi inetpro [08:05] heh Kilos [08:05] kbmonkey: thanks for the link to the minutes [08:05] hi kbmonkey [08:06] * inetpro noticed some very interesting new nicknames during the meeting [08:07] yeah [08:07] seems like some guys are seriously lost :-) [08:07] hehe [08:07] hehe [08:07] and never found [08:08] apie wasnt there though [08:08] he is not a nag apie [08:11] time to get back to my task list. play nicely now :] [08:12] ya ya [08:57] bah, he left [08:57] Maaz: tell kbmonkey what's your username on ubuntu-za.org ? [08:57] superfly: Righto, I'll tell kbmonkey on freenode [12:18] hi people :) [13:03] hi jo [13:03] nuvolari: By the way, kbmonkey on freenode told me "tell nuvolari for uptime of 9 days, average cpu usage for openbox sits at 0% (ps -o '%cpu' -C openbox)" 5 hours, 3 minutes and 33 seconds ago [13:03] * nuvolari shakes head. [13:03] people that quit after 1 breath [13:04] Maaz: tell kbmonkey thanks. Any issues when setting up? I still have the issue :-/ [13:04] nuvolari: Sure, I'll tell kbmonkey on freenode [13:09] I installed Openbox as the default with the distro so there was no setup issues nuvolari [13:09] does it run with a constant high cpu %? [13:10] and is this on Ubuntu? [13:12] Have a poke around this bug report, it's incomplete, perhaps they could use the info - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/746875 [13:13] also check what is in your .config/openbox/autostart.sh file, if a subprocess might be an issue [13:47] *hrm* [13:47] its really quite amazing what percentage of connects to mirror.ac.za are sourceforge and mozilla combined [13:50] holy crap, does no one at stellenbosch do ANY work [13:50] I just looked at the number of facebook.com dns queries coming through on a per second basis [13:51] 13 queries a second outta stellenbosch for facebook.com and sub hosts [14:28] Symmetria, remember everyone just got back from holiday [14:29] most of them did not have internet at home [14:29] and is to dumb to use there phones [14:43] Symmetria: holy cow.. and clients generally cache dns queries ;/ holy cow! [14:43] lol [14:45] heh the number of dns queries we do per second to stuff like mirror.ac.za is also pretty damn scary [14:45] mirror.ac.za takes 50 to 60 hits a second at the moment [14:46] and peaks at 200 hits a second when mozilla does a release [14:46] hey Symmetria [14:46] Maaz, coffee on [14:46] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [14:49] Maaz, move it [14:49] Don't rush me Kilos . Making decent coffee is an art [14:50] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [14:50] Maaz, ty [14:50] Enjoy Kilos [14:55] Maaz, botsnack [14:55] queery: :-) === apie is now known as kbmonkey [15:00] dag apie [15:00] Maaz, coffee please [15:00] eish [15:00] kbmonkey: There isn't a pot on [15:00] kbmonkey: By the way, superfly on freenode told me "tell kbmonkey what's your username on ubuntu-za.org ?" 6 hours, 2 minutes and 31 seconds ago [15:00] kbmonkey: By the way, nuvolari on freenode told me "tell kbmonkey thanks. Any issues when setting up? I still have the issue :-/" 1 hour, 55 minutes and 57 seconds ago [15:00] blerry ding is weg met die vrugte [15:00] he he [15:01] is nuvolari around? [15:03] ping him [15:03] Maaz, coffee on [15:03] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [15:03] or poke him [15:04] with a sharp stick [15:04] Maaz, coffee please [15:04] Kilos: Sure [15:07] Coffee's ready for kbmonkey and Kilos! [15:08] Maaz, dankie man [15:08] Groot plesier my vriend [15:08] ha ha sure I'll try that Kilos [15:08] thanks Maaz [15:08] Maaz, dankie my vriend [15:08] kbmonkey: Sorry... [15:08] :( [15:08] hy like nie apies vandag nie [15:08] lol [15:09] ek dink daai thunderbird prob is reg [15:09] aptitude reinstall [15:12] thunderbird probleem? [15:13] daai een van langjan [15:14] met die snaakse karacters wat gedooi het [15:15] die ballie kry bietjie swaar. kinders is daar vir die week om te groet voor hulle vertrek os toe [15:16] oh ja? moet seker lekker wees om bietjie met die family te wees [15:22] bbl [15:23] not again [15:23] *HRM* === queery_ is now known as queery [15:23] you got disconnected? thats odd [15:23] since you're on the same network as I am [15:23] and I stayed stable [15:25] no I swiched from wifi to wired [15:25] hehe and there was a VPN involved [15:25] aaahh ok :) was worried for a second :P [15:26] hehe sorry ;-P [15:26] because nothing showed up on my alert system [15:26] :P [15:26] hehe thanx for taking care of us [15:26] oh btw apparently its a major hack to get mirrors.ac.za for free for us [15:26] or sosaid IT today [15:28] *snort* Im not gonna comment on that setup at sun [15:28] haha [15:28] billing students for bandwidth based on volume has always been something I've been rather opposed to [15:28] yea [15:28] so are we [15:28] believe me [15:29] heh, you know how many times I get asked if we charge universities by volume [15:29] and the answer is always the same, no no and no [15:29] but they are scared they wont be able to pay you [15:29] I know [15:29] heh, dude, the thing is, if they cut the price they'd have higher usage and pull the same revenue [15:29] and the after hours traffic on the graphs clearly shows this [15:29] jip [15:29] the cut rate traffic at stellenbosch is *WAY* higher than the during hours traffic [15:30] they are also scared the firewall wont handle it [15:30] they don't want massive traffic during the day [15:31] but yea [15:31] any way [15:31] let me get back to work [15:47] queery LOL, they have soooo much capacity available [15:47] they may as well use it [16:18] Symmetria, ok that wasn't me [16:42] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1507803/Comedian_Johnny_Marbles_attacks_Rupert_Murdoch_at_hearing.jpg [16:42] ROTFL [16:48] Symmetria, if they let every student pay R35/month they can give us uncaped ;-P [16:48] and that would mean that the staff don't have to pay for ne [16:48] *net [16:50] heh [16:52] can you throttle torrenting at your end? [16:53] we could yes, though we'd resist doing so [16:53] I dont believe in throttling :P [16:54] I ment only for our traffic [16:54] hehe [16:54] but to keep us from overwelming the network [16:54] dude, you have so much free capacity [16:54] it would be hard to overwhelm it [16:54] :P [16:54] and charge everyone 50 bux instead of 35 and get double the international [16:54] haha you don't know students [16:54] queery you know that wits doesnt block that shit? [16:54] yea [16:55] and doesnt charge and doesnt quota :P [16:55] but how does there billing work? [16:55] they dont charge [16:55] at all [16:55] http://monitor.net.tenet.ac.za/cacti/graph_view.php?action=tree&tree_id=3&leaf_id=151 [16:55] so free for all [16:55] and their bandwidth graphs are pretty healthy [16:55] do they have the same kinda line as we have [16:56] heh, doesnt matter, they still arent using as much capacity as is available on your line [16:56] dude, stellenbosch has a gigabit circuit in there, and like, 150+ meg of international, look at their utilization [16:56] I know [16:57] question is if our firewall would be able to handle that kind of traffic [16:57] but they are looking at new ones [16:57] then agaiin [16:57] LOL, upgrade the damn thing [16:57] if there is no billing the firewall would not have that big an issue [16:57] if it WONT handle, wtf is going to happen when we install the 10G link? [16:57] my point exactly [16:58] they are putting the buying of a new firewall through their entire bureaucratic process [16:58] so it could take years... [16:59] also true [16:59] but take off the builling and this firewall would do fine [16:59] don't you think? [17:00] heh, I doubt it, thats a very old firewall [17:00] heh, dude, that firewall was designed to handle things way before the gigabit era [17:00] it wont survive 10g [17:00] but without billing it should be fine on 1 [17:01] i think [17:01] it suvived 600mb [17:01] then again [17:01] who knows [17:01] is wits al aan die gang? [17:02] what was there peak Symmetria [17:05] heh in tests I've done through wits firewall we've hit over a gig [17:05] the normally peak at around 500 - 600 [17:06] heh, wits traffic itself on the circuit *COULD* go as high as 10gig, but I've never actually seen them use more than around 500 - 600 at peak usage [17:06] Tonberry, whats our peak [17:07] usually [17:07] (we have a backbone node at wits, so *TECHNICALLY* there is like, 50 gig of bandwidth into the wits server room, but we only hand off a single 10G to wits itself) [17:07] havn't checked in a while [17:07] actually, lemme check how much bandwidth actually runs into wits [17:07] what 50 gig! [17:08] *hrm* there are 140gig worth of interfaces on the wits router that are up, 2 of which are internal 10G links, so 120gig [17:08] on the core router [17:08] though you can discount half of those for client shit, so probably around 50gig of actual backbone bandwidth [17:08] :P [17:08] * queery faints [17:09] heh, pretoria has another 30gig [17:09] capetown has 40 or 50 [17:09] port elizabeth has 20 [17:09] durban has 40 [17:09] east london has 20 [17:09] bloemfontein has 20 [17:09] so wtf don't the varsity want us to do this? [17:09] Im [17:10] starting a survey [17:10] I swear [17:10] queery hehe in total aggregate circuit capacity on the network [17:10] ok after my thesis [17:10] with all client circuits and backbone circuits combined [17:10] we're pushing around 400 - 500 gigabit/second [17:10] infact we may have already passed the half a terabit mark [17:10] and internationally? [17:10] :p and from early next year we'll go from 10G international to 20G international [17:11] oh [17:11] wow [17:11] and that will expand by 2014 to 50 gig international [17:11] * queery is so pissed that he is finishing his degree this year [17:11] (infact if I succeed, it will go way beyond 50, but 50 by 2014 or 2015 is pretty much guaranteed) [17:11] queery heh, have I ever shown you the speed I can transfer single files from london to .za at? [17:11] you have not [17:12] hold [17:13] this is a 1gig test file [17:13] of uncompressable data [17:13] ok [17:13] tsunami> get test.zzz [17:13] Transfer complete. Flushing to disk and signaling server to stop... [17:13] !!!! [17:13] PC performance figure : 0 packets dropped (if high this indicates receiving PC overload) [17:13] Transfer duration : 10.86 seconds [17:13] Final file rate : 761.99 Mbps [17:13] :P [17:14] * queery faints again [17:14] LOL and thats only using 7% of the international capacity [17:14] there goes the pidgin test theory [17:14] heh, if I do that using ram disks [17:14] instead of harddrives [17:14] Transfer duration : 6.61 seconds [17:14] Final file rate : 1250.69 Mbps [17:14] haha [17:14] omg [17:15] queery LOL wait, will show u other incredibleness [17:15] I have to work [17:15] people often go, thats just on your backbone [17:15] watch this... [17:15] haha [17:16] hold :) its transferring something quick [17:16] ok [17:16] is your network gay, i'd like to marry it... [17:17] aalston@ub-server-2:~/temp$ wget -4 -O /dev/null ftp://ftp.belnet.be/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.2.1-i386-CD-51.iso [17:17] 2011-07-19 19:17:26 (53.8 MB/s) - `/dev/null' saved [679886848] [17:17] thats straight off the internet :P [17:17] and thats using less than 0.1% of the capacity on our internet circuits [17:17] fok [17:18] heh in actual capacity to the internet we have a total of 70gig and thats expanding to 80 shortly [17:18] if I add up all the peering/transit circuits [17:18] :P [17:18] queery heh, the TENET network has the *ONLY* single aggregated 10gig circuit into africa at the moment as far as I know, unless someone turned up one recently [17:18] I.S/Neotel/Mweb etc, are all running 2.5gig or multiple 2.5gig circuits [17:19] so that's a no on the marriage [17:19] hehe [17:19] MTZ-UB1#show interfaces pos3/0/0 [17:19] POS3/0/0 is up, line protocol is up (APS working - active) [17:19] Hardware is Packet over Sonet [17:19] Description: STM64 Durban -> London | SEACOM LN4/MTZ/64C/001/M | protection [17:19] MTU 9216 bytes, BW 9584000 Kbit, DLY 100 usec, [17:19] heh direct circuit to London [17:20] 30 second input rate 1305078000 bits/sec, 155860 packets/sec [17:20] 30 second output rate 607534000 bits/sec, 118130 packets/sec [17:20] at 13% utilization :P [17:20] isn't it going to wast [17:20] 19792932660 packets input, 20902806879257 bytes, 0 no buffer [17:20] :P someone work that out in gigabytes [17:20] since last counter reset [17:20] queery heh, its bought as a single once off capex purchase, we dont pay anything if we use it or dont use it [17:20] with people like the varsity not using it to its full capacity [17:21] still [17:21] heh its doing around 19 terabytes of data a day :P [17:21] oh [17:21] That's a few libraries for you ;) [17:21] queery heh, the thing is, there are economics involved, the universities pay for international bandwidth on a per megabit/second/month basis because we have to recover the cost of what we paid fo that circuit [17:22] queery heh, I can give you other scary stats :P [17:22] our network to our varsities from our local serving system (NOT coming over the international line) serves 7 terabytes a day of youtube :P [17:22] actually, I lie, its about 11 terabytes a day [17:22] haha [17:23] but some of that is already cached [17:23] heh, we run at between 70 and 150 hits a second to mirror.ac.za [17:23] queery heh, its still an INSANE amount of youtube :P [17:23] it is [17:23] ok I have 40 min to do 2 days worth of work [17:23] queery not to mention that around 11% of total web urls browsed end in facebook.com [17:23] :P [17:23] haha [17:24] dunno how much that amounts to in traffic, but not much [17:24] there are more hits to facebook.com though than to google.com [17:24] :P [17:24] well before facebook it was porn [17:24] queery LOL I refuse to run the porn stats :P [17:24] because Im scared of what I would find :P [17:24] haha [17:24] it's less than facebook [17:24] I can assure you [17:24] heh maybe in hits [17:25] Im not so sure in traffic volumes :P[ [17:25] facebook isnt bandwidth heavy, porn is :P [17:25] oh true [17:25] you'd know ;P [17:25] hahaha no I have beetter things to use bandwidth for [17:25] :P [17:25] who needs porn, go make your own [17:25] :P [17:26] anyway Im off to read books and chill :) later man [17:26] I was talking about that litle porn site of yours ;P [17:26] haha [17:26] dude if I ran a porn site [17:26] I'd be driving an aston martin [17:26] instead of a bmw [17:26] :P [17:26] you would have the best speed? [17:26] haha [17:26] anyway [17:26] l8ers [17:26] I have expensive car tastes [17:26] :P later man [17:28] Symmetria: wow that makes you so unique! [17:29] highvoltage lol no what makes me a little more unique is that I have no impulse control and keep spending 2 much bloody money buying cars lol and then wondering why Im broke :P [17:31] yeah the rest of the world obviously has very good control and don't overspend at all. [17:32] evening all [17:32] Kilos: hiya [17:33] one question. i am using xchat. will having 4 channels open here use more data than only one? [17:35] the connection to freenode used over a meg this morning. all else was closed [17:35] maybe is weechat lighter [17:36] Kilos: no, all IRC clients will use the same amount of data [17:36] ty superfly [17:36] Kilos: but having more than one channel will use more data too [17:37] depends how busy those channels are as well [17:37] i tried to get jedirc on the fone but it opened a normal website and that sucks on a fone [17:37] I mean, 10 channels where hardly anyone says anything is gonna use very little data [17:37] 5 very busy channels (like trivia channels) can actually use a fair bit [17:37] right i will close others [17:38] my irc logs over the last 2 years are something like 45gig big [17:38] kilos, its still negligable amounts of data [17:38] nothing thats going to really have any effect on anything [17:38] any ubuntu talk scheduled in the house tonight? [17:38] heh, kilos put it this way, running an efnet irc server with 65k users on the network uses less than 3mbit/second of constant bandwidth [17:38] ty Symmetria but it all adds up [17:38] hi Barco do you need help? [17:39] infact it normally sits at about half a megabit/second [17:39] whew [17:39] Symmetria: when you've someone like Kilos who lives on other people's donations, every KB counts [17:39] I need help with ltsp on Edubuntu [17:39] Barco: highvoltage knows a bit about that [17:40] Barco, state your problem and someone will help you [17:40] kilos, lol, I'm in almost 80 channels across 7 different networks, and only doing 45gig in 3 years, thats 1.25gigs a month, if you divide that by 20 to get to 4 channels you're using 62.5meg a month, and thats if you're in some very very busy channels :) [17:40] superfly true, but I doubt those 4 channels are eating more than 20 or 30 meg a month :) [17:40] Need help getting terminals customised [17:41] want to get rid of unity and add a default homepage to Firefox(loaded as local app) [17:42] lol. Symmetria there can be noone chatting here but iftop shows the freenode connection using data all the time [17:43] information I found on the web is quite sketchy - any good command reference anyone can recommend? [17:43] Barco, just be patient someone who knows what you need to do will help as soon as they get a chance [17:43] but welcome to ubuntu-za [17:44] kilo, you will pick up more background traffic on the internet than freenode idle traffic :P [17:44] Thanx Kilos, I will do. [17:46] Symmetria, is there a way to stop the background traffic and just get whats going in and out here [17:47] thats only a few K's a day [17:48] Barco: howdy [17:49]