[05:54] <sakhi> Morning
[05:58] <superfly> morning sakhi
[05:59] <Symmetria> haha so like, I was cranking some music this morning, so my neighbor comes knocking on the door and I'm like, shit, he's come to moan at me about the volume, so I open the door and he's like, mannnn I aint heard that shit in years, can I get a copy?!
[06:00] <Symmetria> rotfl
[06:00] <superfly> hehehe
[06:07] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: ping
[06:10] <nuvolari> morning everyone
[06:29] <superfly> morning nuvolari
[07:20] <nuvolari> Kilos: môre oom
[07:20] <Kilos> more nuvolari  het jy gewen?
[07:21] <Kilos> hi superfly 
[07:21] <superfly> hi Kilos
[07:21] <nuvolari> Kilos: nee oom, ek sal vanaand weer probeer
[07:21] <nuvolari> didn't have enough time and it got late
[07:22] <Kilos> yes when pc goes slow like that it takes forever to find an fix a prob
[07:22] <Kilos> was always easier to format and reinstall
[07:23] <Kilos> morning MxG 
[07:23] <MxG> good morning
[07:28] <nuvolari> exactly oom Kilos 
[07:28] <nuvolari> but I need to back up my dad's data
[07:28] <nuvolari> first
[07:29] <Kilos> nuvolari, did you get what i said last night above add/removing
[07:29] <Kilos> oh ok
[07:39]  * nuvolari checks
[07:40] <Kilos> hi Tonberry 
[07:40] <nuvolari> Kilos: oh, to find the app and remove that?
[07:40] <Kilos> yeah
[07:41] <Tonberry> hello
[07:41] <nuvolari> Kilos: ja nee oom... dis 'n mission, cursor moves 100px then freezes for ~8 seconds
[07:43] <Kilos> eish
[07:43] <Kilos> hi professorX 
[07:43] <professorX> Hi guys...Missed yesterdays IRC meeting
[07:43] <nuvolari> bah
[07:44] <nuvolari> Maaz: ask kbmonkey whether his openbox also runs high CPU cycles
[07:44] <Maaz> nuvolari: Got it, I'll ask kbmonkey on freenode
[07:48] <Kilos> professorX, dont you get mails from our lists
[07:48] <kbmonkey> hello
[07:48] <Maaz> kbmonkey: By the way, nuvolari on freenode told me "ask kbmonkey whether his openbox also runs high CPU cycles" 4 minutes and 13 seconds ago
[07:49] <kbmonkey> nope nuvolari it runs very low actually
[07:49] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey 
[07:50] <kbmonkey> hello Kilos!
[07:50]  * kbmonkey is drinking a banana smoothie
[07:51] <Kilos> lol
[07:51] <kbmonkey> hi there professorX 
[07:52] <kbmonkey> for interest there are minutes of the meet at http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2011-07-18-17-35-25.html
[07:57] <superfly> http://dilbert.com/dyn_file/str_strip/128086/gif/strip.print/
[07:59] <kbmonkey> Maaz, tell nuvolari for uptime of 9 days, average cpu usage for openbox sits at 0% (ps -o '%cpu' -C openbox)
[07:59] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Got it, I'll tell nuvolari on freenode
[08:00] <kbmonkey> love dilbert :)
[08:05] <inetpro> good morning
[08:05] <Kilos> morning inetpro 
[08:05] <kbmonkey> hi inetpro 
[08:05] <inetpro> heh Kilos
[08:05] <inetpro> kbmonkey: thanks for the link to the minutes
[08:05] <inetpro> hi kbmonkey
[08:06]  * inetpro noticed some very interesting new nicknames during the meeting
[08:07] <Kilos> yeah
[08:07] <inetpro> seems like some guys are seriously lost :-)
[08:07] <Kilos> hehe
[08:07] <kbmonkey> hehe
[08:07] <Kilos> and never found
[08:08] <kbmonkey> apie wasnt there though
[08:08] <Kilos> he is not a nag apie
[08:11] <kbmonkey> time to get back to my task list. play nicely now :]
[08:12] <Kilos> ya ya
[08:57] <superfly> bah, he left
[08:57] <superfly> Maaz: tell kbmonkey what's your username on ubuntu-za.org ?
[08:57] <Maaz> superfly: Righto, I'll tell kbmonkey on freenode
[12:18] <joshua__> hi people :)
[13:03] <nuvolari> hi jo<tab>
[13:03] <Maaz> nuvolari: By the way, kbmonkey on freenode told me "tell nuvolari for uptime of 9 days, average cpu usage for openbox sits at 0% (ps -o '%cpu' -C openbox)" 5 hours, 3 minutes and 33 seconds ago
[13:03]  * nuvolari shakes head.
[13:03] <nuvolari> people that quit after 1 breath
[13:04] <nuvolari> Maaz: tell kbmonkey thanks. Any issues when setting up? I still have the issue :-/
[13:04] <Maaz> nuvolari: Sure, I'll tell kbmonkey on freenode
[13:09] <apie> I installed Openbox as the default with the distro so there was no setup issues nuvolari 
[13:09] <apie> does it run with a constant high cpu %?
[13:10] <apie> and is this on Ubuntu?
[13:12] <apie> Have a poke around this bug report, it's incomplete, perhaps they could use the info - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/746875
[13:13] <apie> also check what is in your .config/openbox/autostart.sh file, if a subprocess might be an issue
[13:47] <Symmetria> *hrm*
[13:47] <Symmetria> its really quite amazing what percentage of connects to mirror.ac.za are sourceforge and mozilla combined
[13:50] <Symmetria> holy crap, does no one at stellenbosch do ANY work
[13:50] <Symmetria> I just looked at the number of facebook.com dns queries coming through on a per second basis
[13:51] <Symmetria> 13 queries a second outta stellenbosch for facebook.com and sub hosts
[14:28] <queery> Symmetria, remember everyone just got back from holiday
[14:29] <queery> most of them did not have internet at home
[14:29] <queery> and is to dumb to use there phones
[14:43] <drubin> Symmetria: holy cow.. and clients generally cache dns queries ;/ holy cow!
[14:43] <Tonberry> lol
[14:45] <Symmetria> heh the number of dns queries we do per second to stuff like mirror.ac.za is also pretty damn scary
[14:45] <Symmetria> mirror.ac.za takes 50 to 60 hits a second at the moment
[14:46] <Symmetria> and peaks at 200 hits a second when mozilla does a release
[14:46] <Kilos> hey Symmetria 
[14:46] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[14:46]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[14:49] <Kilos> Maaz, move it
[14:49] <Maaz> Don't rush me Kilos . Making decent coffee is an art
[14:50] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[14:50] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[14:50] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[14:55] <queery> Maaz, botsnack
[14:55] <Maaz> queery: :-)
[15:00] <Kilos> dag apie 
[15:00] <kbmonkey> Maaz, coffee please
[15:00] <Kilos> eish
[15:00] <Maaz> kbmonkey: There isn't a pot on
[15:00] <Maaz> kbmonkey: By the way, superfly on freenode told me "tell kbmonkey what's your username on ubuntu-za.org ?" 6 hours, 2 minutes and 31 seconds ago
[15:00] <Maaz> kbmonkey: By the way, nuvolari on freenode told me "tell kbmonkey thanks. Any issues when setting up? I still have the issue :-/" 1 hour, 55 minutes and 57 seconds ago
[15:00] <Kilos> blerry ding is weg met die vrugte
[15:00] <kbmonkey> he he
[15:01] <kbmonkey> is nuvolari around?
[15:03] <Kilos> ping him
[15:03] <kbmonkey> Maaz, coffee on
[15:03]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[15:03] <Kilos> or poke him
[15:04] <Kilos> with a sharp stick
[15:04] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[15:04] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[15:07] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for kbmonkey and Kilos!
[15:08] <Kilos> Maaz, dankie man
[15:08] <Maaz> Groot plesier my vriend
[15:08] <kbmonkey> ha ha sure I'll try that Kilos 
[15:08] <kbmonkey> thanks Maaz 
[15:08] <kbmonkey> Maaz, dankie my vriend
[15:08] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Sorry...
[15:08] <kbmonkey> :(
[15:08] <kbmonkey> hy like nie apies vandag nie
[15:08] <Kilos> lol
[15:09] <Kilos> ek dink daai thunderbird prob is reg
[15:09] <Kilos> aptitude reinstall 
[15:12] <kbmonkey> thunderbird probleem?
[15:13] <Kilos> daai een van langjan
[15:14] <Kilos> met die snaakse karacters wat gedooi het
[15:15] <Kilos> die ballie kry bietjie swaar. kinders is daar vir die week om te groet voor hulle vertrek os toe
[15:16] <kbmonkey> oh ja? moet seker lekker wees om bietjie met die family te wees
[15:22] <Kilos> bbl
[15:23] <queery_> not again
[15:23] <Symmetria> *HRM*
[15:23] <Symmetria> you got disconnected? thats odd
[15:23] <Symmetria> since you're on the same network as I am 
[15:23] <Symmetria> and I stayed stable
[15:25] <queery> no I swiched from wifi to wired
[15:25] <queery> hehe and there was a VPN involved
[15:25] <Symmetria> aaahh ok :) was worried for a second :P
[15:26] <queery> hehe sorry ;-P
[15:26] <Symmetria> because nothing showed up on my alert system
[15:26] <Symmetria> :P
[15:26] <queery> hehe thanx for taking care of us
[15:26] <queery> oh btw apparently its a major hack to get mirrors.ac.za for free for us
[15:26] <queery> or sosaid IT today
[15:28] <Symmetria> *snort* Im not gonna comment on that setup at sun
[15:28] <queery> haha
[15:28] <Symmetria> billing students for bandwidth based on volume has always been something I've been rather opposed to 
[15:28] <queery> yea
[15:28] <queery> so are we
[15:28] <queery> believe me
[15:29] <Symmetria> heh, you know how many times I get asked if we charge universities by volume
[15:29] <Symmetria> and the answer is always the same, no no and no 
[15:29] <queery> but they are scared they wont be able to pay you
[15:29] <queery> I know
[15:29] <Symmetria> heh, dude, the thing is, if they cut the price they'd have higher usage and pull the same revenue 
[15:29] <Symmetria> and the after hours traffic on the graphs clearly shows this
[15:29] <queery> jip
[15:29] <Symmetria> the cut rate traffic at stellenbosch is *WAY* higher than the during hours traffic
[15:30] <queery> they are also scared the firewall wont handle it
[15:30] <queery> they don't want massive traffic during the day
[15:31] <queery> but yea
[15:31] <queery> any way
[15:31] <queery> let me get back to work
[15:47] <Symmetria> queery LOL, they have soooo much capacity available 
[15:47] <Symmetria> they may as well use it
[16:18] <queery> Symmetria, ok that wasn't me
[16:42] <Symmetria> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1507803/Comedian_Johnny_Marbles_attacks_Rupert_Murdoch_at_hearing.jpg
[16:42] <Symmetria> ROTFL
[16:48] <queery> Symmetria, if they let every student pay R35/month they can give us uncaped ;-P 
[16:48] <queery> and that would mean that the staff don't have to pay for ne
[16:48] <queery> *net
[16:50] <Symmetria> heh
[16:52] <queery> can you throttle torrenting at your end?
[16:53] <Symmetria> we could yes, though we'd resist doing so
[16:53] <Symmetria> I dont believe in throttling :P 
[16:54] <queery> I ment only for our traffic
[16:54] <queery> hehe
[16:54] <queery> but to keep us from overwelming the network
[16:54] <Symmetria> dude, you have so much free capacity
[16:54] <Symmetria> it would be hard to overwhelm it
[16:54] <Symmetria> :P
[16:54] <Symmetria> and charge everyone 50 bux instead of 35 and get double the international
[16:54] <queery> haha you don't know students
[16:54] <Symmetria> queery you know that wits doesnt block that shit?
[16:54] <queery> yea
[16:55] <Symmetria> and doesnt charge and doesnt quota :P
[16:55] <queery> but how does there billing work?
[16:55] <Symmetria> they dont charge 
[16:55] <Symmetria> at all
[16:55] <Symmetria> http://monitor.net.tenet.ac.za/cacti/graph_view.php?action=tree&tree_id=3&leaf_id=151
[16:55] <queery> so free for all
[16:55] <Symmetria> and their bandwidth graphs are pretty healthy
[16:55] <queery> do they have the same kinda line as we have
[16:56] <Symmetria> heh, doesnt matter, they still arent using as much capacity as is available on your line
[16:56] <Symmetria> dude, stellenbosch has a gigabit circuit in there, and like, 150+ meg of international, look at their utilization
[16:56] <queery> I know
[16:57] <queery> question is if our firewall would be able to handle that kind of traffic
[16:57] <queery> but they are looking at new ones
[16:57] <queery> then agaiin
[16:57] <Symmetria> LOL, upgrade the damn thing 
[16:57] <queery> if there is no billing the firewall would not have that big an issue
[16:57] <Symmetria> if it WONT handle, wtf is going to happen when we install the 10G link?
[16:57] <queery> my point exactly
[16:58] <Tonberry> they are putting the buying of a new firewall through their entire bureaucratic process
[16:58] <Tonberry> so it could take years...
[16:59] <queery> also true
[16:59] <queery> but take off the builling and this firewall would do fine
[16:59] <queery> don't you think?
[17:00] <Symmetria> heh, I doubt it, thats a very old firewall
[17:00] <Symmetria> heh, dude, that firewall was designed to handle things way before the gigabit era
[17:00] <Tonberry> it wont survive 10g
[17:00] <Tonberry> but without billing it should be fine on 1
[17:01] <Tonberry> i think
[17:01] <Tonberry> it suvived 600mb
[17:01] <Tonberry> then again
[17:01] <Tonberry> who knows
[17:01] <queery> is wits al aan die gang?
[17:02] <queery> what was there peak Symmetria 
[17:05] <Symmetria> heh in tests I've done through wits firewall we've hit over a gig
[17:05] <Symmetria> the normally peak at around 500 - 600 
[17:06] <Symmetria> heh, wits traffic itself on the circuit *COULD* go as high as 10gig, but I've never actually seen them use more than around 500 - 600 at peak usage 
[17:06] <queery> Tonberry, whats our peak
[17:07] <queery> usually
[17:07] <Symmetria> (we have a backbone node at wits, so *TECHNICALLY* there is like, 50 gig of bandwidth into the wits server room, but we only hand off a single 10G to wits itself)
[17:07] <Tonberry> havn't checked in a while
[17:07] <Symmetria> actually, lemme check how much bandwidth actually runs into wits 
[17:07] <queery> what 50 gig!
[17:08] <Symmetria> *hrm* there are 140gig worth of interfaces on the wits router that are up, 2 of which are internal 10G links, so 120gig 
[17:08] <Symmetria> on the core router 
[17:08] <Symmetria> though you can discount half of those for client shit, so probably around 50gig of actual backbone bandwidth
[17:08] <Symmetria> :P
[17:08]  * queery faints
[17:09] <Symmetria> heh, pretoria has another 30gig
[17:09] <Symmetria> capetown has 40 or 50
[17:09] <Symmetria> port elizabeth has 20
[17:09] <Symmetria> durban has 40
[17:09] <Symmetria> east london has 20
[17:09] <Symmetria> bloemfontein has 20
[17:09] <queery> so wtf don't the varsity want us to do this?
[17:09] <queery> Im
[17:10] <queery> starting a survey
[17:10] <queery> I swear
[17:10] <Symmetria> queery hehe in total aggregate circuit capacity on the network
[17:10] <queery> ok after my thesis
[17:10] <Symmetria> with all client circuits and backbone circuits combined
[17:10] <Symmetria> we're pushing around 400 - 500 gigabit/second 
[17:10] <Symmetria> infact we may have already passed the half a terabit mark
[17:10] <queery> and internationally?
[17:10] <Symmetria> :p and from early next year we'll go from 10G international to 20G international
[17:11] <queery> oh
[17:11] <queery> wow
[17:11] <Symmetria> and that will expand by 2014 to 50 gig international 
[17:11]  * queery is so pissed that he is finishing his degree this year
[17:11] <Symmetria> (infact if I succeed, it will go way beyond 50, but 50 by 2014 or 2015 is pretty much guaranteed)
[17:11] <Symmetria> queery heh, have I ever shown you the speed I can transfer single files from london to .za at?
[17:11] <queery> you have not
[17:12] <Symmetria> hold
[17:13] <Symmetria> this is a 1gig test file
[17:13] <Symmetria> of uncompressable data
[17:13] <queery> ok
[17:13] <Symmetria> tsunami> get test.zzz
[17:13] <Symmetria> Transfer complete. Flushing to disk and signaling server to stop...
[17:13] <Symmetria> !!!!
[17:13] <Symmetria> PC performance figure : 0 packets dropped (if high this indicates receiving PC overload)
[17:13] <Symmetria> Transfer duration     : 10.86 seconds
[17:13] <Symmetria> Final file rate       : 761.99 Mbps
[17:13] <Symmetria> :P
[17:14]  * queery faints again
[17:14] <Symmetria> LOL and thats only using 7% of the international capacity
[17:14] <queery> there goes the pidgin test theory
[17:14] <Symmetria> heh, if I do that using ram disks
[17:14] <Symmetria> instead of harddrives 
[17:14] <Symmetria> Transfer duration     : 6.61 seconds
[17:14] <Symmetria> Final file rate       : 1250.69 Mbps
[17:14] <queery> haha
[17:14] <queery> omg
[17:15] <Symmetria> queery LOL wait, will show u other incredibleness
[17:15] <queery> I have to work
[17:15] <Symmetria> people often go, thats just on your backbone
[17:15] <Symmetria> watch this...
[17:15] <queery> haha
[17:16] <Symmetria> hold :) its transferring something quick
[17:16] <queery> ok
[17:16] <queery> is your network gay, i'd like to marry it...
[17:17] <Symmetria> aalston@ub-server-2:~/temp$ wget -4 -O /dev/null ftp://ftp.belnet.be/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.2.1-i386-CD-51.iso
[17:17] <Symmetria> 2011-07-19 19:17:26 (53.8 MB/s) - `/dev/null' saved [679886848]
[17:17] <Symmetria> thats straight off the internet :P
[17:17] <Symmetria> and thats using less than 0.1% of the capacity on our internet circuits 
[17:17] <queery> fok
[17:18] <Symmetria> heh in actual capacity to the internet we have a total of 70gig and thats expanding  to 80 shortly
[17:18] <Symmetria> if I add up all the peering/transit circuits
[17:18] <Symmetria> :P
[17:18] <Symmetria> queery heh, the TENET network has the *ONLY* single aggregated 10gig circuit into africa at the moment as far as I know, unless someone turned up one recently
[17:18] <Symmetria> I.S/Neotel/Mweb etc, are all running 2.5gig or multiple 2.5gig circuits
[17:19] <queery> so that's a no on the marriage 
[17:19] <queery> hehe
[17:19] <Symmetria> MTZ-UB1#show interfaces pos3/0/0
[17:19] <Symmetria> POS3/0/0 is up, line protocol is up  (APS working - active)
[17:19] <Symmetria>   Hardware is Packet over Sonet
[17:19] <Symmetria>   Description: STM64 Durban -> London | SEACOM  LN4/MTZ/64C/001/M | protection
[17:19] <Symmetria>   MTU 9216 bytes, BW 9584000 Kbit, DLY 100 usec,
[17:19] <Symmetria> heh direct circuit to London
[17:20] <Symmetria>  30 second input rate 1305078000 bits/sec, 155860 packets/sec
[17:20] <Symmetria>   30 second output rate 607534000 bits/sec, 118130 packets/sec
[17:20] <Symmetria> at 13% utilization :P
[17:20] <queery> isn't it going to wast
[17:20] <Symmetria>      19792932660 packets input, 20902806879257 bytes, 0 no buffer
[17:20] <Symmetria> :P someone work that out in gigabytes
[17:20] <Symmetria> since last counter reset
[17:20] <Symmetria> queery heh, its bought as a single once off capex purchase, we dont pay anything if we use it or dont use it
[17:20] <queery> with people like the varsity not using it to its full capacity
[17:21] <queery> still
[17:21] <Symmetria> heh its doing around 19 terabytes of data a day :P
[17:21] <queery> oh
[17:21] <Barco> That's a few libraries for you ;)
[17:21] <Symmetria> queery heh, the thing is, there are economics involved, the universities pay for international bandwidth on a per megabit/second/month basis because we have to recover the cost of what we paid fo that circuit
[17:22] <Symmetria> queery heh, I can give you other scary stats :P
[17:22] <Symmetria> our network to our varsities from our local serving system (NOT coming over the international line) serves 7 terabytes a day of youtube :P
[17:22] <Symmetria> actually, I lie, its about 11 terabytes a day
[17:22] <queery> haha
[17:23] <queery> but some of that is already cached
[17:23] <Symmetria> heh, we run at between 70 and 150 hits a second to mirror.ac.za 
[17:23] <Symmetria> queery heh, its still an INSANE amount of youtube :P
[17:23] <queery> it is
[17:23] <queery> ok I have 40 min to do 2 days worth of work
[17:23] <Symmetria> queery not to mention that around 11% of total web urls browsed end in facebook.com
[17:23] <Symmetria> :P
[17:23] <queery> haha
[17:24] <Symmetria> dunno how much that amounts to in traffic, but not much
[17:24] <Symmetria> there are more hits to facebook.com though than to google.com
[17:24] <Symmetria> :P
[17:24] <queery> well before facebook it was porn
[17:24] <Symmetria> queery LOL I refuse to run the porn stats :P
[17:24] <Symmetria> because Im scared of what I would find :P
[17:24] <queery> haha
[17:24] <queery> it's less than facebook
[17:24] <queery> I can assure you
[17:24] <Symmetria> heh maybe in hits
[17:25] <Symmetria> Im not so sure in traffic volumes :P[
[17:25] <Symmetria> facebook isnt bandwidth heavy, porn is :P
[17:25] <queery> oh true
[17:25] <queery> you'd know ;P
[17:25] <Symmetria> hahaha no I have beetter things to use bandwidth for
[17:25] <Symmetria> :P
[17:25] <Symmetria> who needs porn, go make your own
[17:25] <Symmetria> :P
[17:26] <Symmetria> anyway Im off to read books and chill :) later man
[17:26] <queery> I was talking about that litle porn site of yours ;P
[17:26] <Symmetria> haha
[17:26] <Symmetria> dude if I ran a porn site
[17:26] <Symmetria> I'd be driving an aston martin
[17:26] <Symmetria> instead of a bmw
[17:26] <Symmetria> :P
[17:26] <queery> you would have the best speed?
[17:26] <queery> haha
[17:26] <queery> anyway
[17:26] <queery> l8ers
[17:26] <Symmetria> I have expensive car tastes
[17:26] <Symmetria> :P later man 
[17:28] <highvoltage> Symmetria: wow that makes you so unique!
[17:29] <Symmetria> highvoltage lol no what makes me a little more unique is that I have no impulse control and keep spending 2 much bloody money buying cars lol and then wondering why Im broke :P
[17:31] <highvoltage> yeah the rest of the world obviously has very good control and don't overspend at all.
[17:32] <Kilos> evening all
[17:32] <superfly> Kilos: hiya
[17:33] <Kilos> one question. i am using xchat. will having 4 channels open here use more data than only one?
[17:35] <Kilos> the connection to freenode used over a meg this morning. all else was closed
[17:35] <Kilos> maybe is weechat lighter
[17:36] <superfly> Kilos: no, all IRC clients will use the same amount of data
[17:36] <Kilos> ty superfly 
[17:36] <superfly> Kilos: but having more than one channel will use more data too
[17:37] <Symmetria> depends how busy those channels are as well
[17:37] <Kilos> i tried to get jedirc on the fone but it opened a normal website and that sucks on a fone
[17:37] <Symmetria> I mean, 10 channels where hardly anyone says anything is gonna use very little data
[17:37] <Symmetria> 5 very busy channels (like trivia channels) can actually use a fair bit
[17:37] <Kilos> right i will close others
[17:38] <Symmetria> my irc logs over the last 2 years are something like 45gig big 
[17:38] <Symmetria> kilos, its still negligable amounts of data
[17:38] <Symmetria> nothing thats going to really have any effect on anything
[17:38] <Barco> any ubuntu talk scheduled in the house tonight?
[17:38] <Symmetria> heh, kilos put it this way, running an efnet irc server with 65k users on the network uses less than 3mbit/second of constant bandwidth
[17:38] <Kilos> ty Symmetria but it all adds up
[17:38] <Kilos> hi Barco do you need help?
[17:39] <Symmetria> infact it normally sits at about half a megabit/second
[17:39] <Kilos> whew
[17:39] <superfly> Symmetria: when you've someone like Kilos who lives on other people's donations, every KB counts
[17:39] <Barco> I need help with ltsp on Edubuntu 
[17:39] <superfly> Barco: highvoltage knows a bit about that
[17:40] <Kilos> Barco, state your problem and someone will help you
[17:40] <Symmetria> kilos, lol, I'm in almost 80 channels across 7 different networks, and only doing 45gig in 3 years, thats 1.25gigs a month, if you divide that by 20 to get to 4 channels you're using 62.5meg a month, and thats if you're in some very very busy channels :)
[17:40] <Symmetria> superfly true, but I doubt those 4 channels are eating more than 20 or 30 meg a month :)
[17:40] <Barco> Need help getting terminals customised 
[17:41] <Barco> want to get rid of unity and add a default homepage to Firefox(loaded as local app)
[17:42] <Kilos> lol. Symmetria  there can be noone chatting here but iftop shows the freenode connection using data all the time
[17:43] <Barco> information I found on the web is quite sketchy - any good command reference anyone can recommend?
[17:43] <Kilos> Barco, just be patient someone who knows what you need to do will help as soon as they get a chance
[17:43] <Kilos> but welcome to ubuntu-za
[17:44] <Symmetria> kilo, you will pick up more background traffic on the internet than freenode idle traffic :P
[17:44] <Barco> Thanx Kilos, I will do. 
[17:46] <Kilos> Symmetria, is there a way to stop the background traffic and just get whats going in and out here
[17:47] <Kilos> thats only a few K's a day
[17:48] <highvoltage> Barco: howdy
[17:49] <Barco> Hi, Highvoltage
[17:49] <highvoltage> Barco: if you want classic desktop instead of unity for ltsp you can put this in your lts.conf file:
[17:49] <highvoltage> LDM_XSESSION="gnome-session --session=classic-gnome"
[17:50] <highvoltage> Barco: for firefox, chech /etc/mozilla-firefox/pref/firefox.js, you can set system-wide firefox settings there
[17:51] <highvoltage> Barco: you could get the LTSP manual here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ltsp/files/Docs-Admin-Guide/LTSPManual.pdf/download
[17:52] <Barco> Thanx for your advice! first time I see the manual
[17:54] <Barco> Any advice on optimising performance on clients? Network seems to drag. 
[17:55] <Barco> running 1GB server lan and 100mbps on clients but some seem sluggish 
[17:57] <highvoltage> Barco: yep, somewhere int he manual it should say something about LDM_DIRECTX
[17:57] <highvoltage> Barco: enabling that greatly increases performance
[18:01] <Barco> that's great I'll go read the manual before asking more about ltsp  ;)
[18:01] <Barco> thanks Highvoltage
[18:03] <highvoltage> Barco: feel free to ask anytime. the manual should be pretty comprehensive though. there's also an #edubuntu and #ltsp channel you could use
[18:05] <Barco> been on the ltsp channel - not much activity there. might have been there wrong time. 
[18:06] <Barco> when will the edubuntu&ltsp channels have a meet like this. 
[18:06] <Kilos> Barco, you can join those channels from here
[18:07] <Kilos>  type in /j ltsp
[18:09] <Kilos> and the #edubuntu channels has 28 peepps there right now
[18:09] <Kilos> peeps
[18:09] <Kilos> you will most likely find someone online there at any time
[18:10] <Barco> I'll load up a bigger browser using blackberry now
[18:10] <Kilos> sorry thats should be /j #ltsp
[18:10] <Kilos> eish sorry man
[18:46] <Kilos> night everyone. sleep tight
[18:51] <nuvolari> o/
[18:51] <nuvolari> lo everyone
[18:51] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: ping
[18:54] <nuvolari> ooh, all of a sudden my cpu usage is down \o/