[04:08] pleia2: You just want the pre-upgrade images? (Like what we have +1?) [04:09] oh yes [04:09] No need to get the upgrade? That really cuts down on the time! [04:09] hehe [04:09] doing mav to natty, or..? [04:10] Yep! [04:10] cool [04:10] so yeah, just duplicates of everything on /getubuntu [04:12] I thought I would have to actually DO the upgrade! \o/ (After doing install) [04:12] also I just realized that page is called getubuntu ...ubuntu? huh. [04:13] That's what the one guy pointed out [04:13] going through beardygnome's website review post now to file some more bugs [04:14] Anything else I can help with? (About to post them to the bugreport) [04:15] BTW, when I first installed, it already knew about the upgrade so I couldn't get http://xubuntu.org/sites/default/files/update-manager-updates_0.png [04:15] since you're on the upgrade screens can you sanity-check the portion of beardygnome's email about upgrades? it's at the bottom of the mail (I can link to it if you don't have the email to -devel handy) [04:19] He is correct, it's in the Update Manager program [04:20] And I know it's Xubuntu Session [04:23] ok cool, thanks [04:25] unit193.imgur.com/xubuntu_update Good? I still have it if you need more [04:32] checking [04:33] pleia2: One last idiot question: Do I make more than one bug comment? I only see one upload space [04:33] hm, is that the default theme? [04:33] you should probably just leave a comment and email me the images: lyz@ubuntu.com [04:33] Yes [04:34] ok cool, these are probably fine, I'm going to finish bg's email and I'll let you know if I have any questions when I get to that section [04:47] bad gmail, Unit193 not spam! [04:48] bad Unit193, spaces in filenames! [04:48] :) [04:51] pleia2: I know, most of the time I don't (And maybe I AM spam! ;) ) [04:52] hehe [04:57] Unit193: updated with better text and your screenshots, look good? http://xubuntu.org/getubuntu [04:59] Update Manager is a program, not a menu. Does that come across? [05:00] I think so, the text previously was similar [05:02] Mk. Doesn't fully work on 1024x768, but I'm not sure you need it to. It's all good! [05:04] the site? [05:04] oh I see, the images fall off the edge [05:04] Yep. No other need for my VM? [05:04] nope, we're set [05:04] thank you! [05:05] Sure! Let me know if I can do anything else! [05:05] will do :) [05:16] Ah, you going to mark the bug as fixed? [05:17] have done [05:19] Oh, I thought it would email me, I fail [05:19] it may eventually, launchpad emails take a long time lately (like 20 minutes sometimes!) [05:19] just updated a few minutesago [09:09] micahg: the xubuntu-exclude-blabla... patch is now upstream [11:53] I installed by a two days old iso, but oneiric does not let me log in. [11:56] Any chance it is fixed in today's iso? [11:56] jarnos: Did you install from the desktop image, or the alternate? [11:57] jarnos: Well, at least there is a new desktop image today, whee! [11:57] jarnos: If you can wait a while, I'll let you know. [11:58] Big changes, almost 25% difference. [12:01] astraljava, I got it from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/ There is only alternate installs available there. [12:09] jarnos: Ahh... alright. So, how did it fail to log you in? How did you try? [12:09] jarnos: For me, it only worked if you clicked on Other..., then presented your username, chose the Xubuntu session, and then typed in the passwd. [12:12] astraljava, i clicked on my name in the login screen. Then only background image was visible anymore. [12:13] astraljava, I'll try by the Other way. [13:50] Good morning [13:50] good and cold [13:50] really? [13:51] about 15C / 59F here [13:51] Going to be another really hot day, since it is only 7:51 AM [13:51] I think the images should be working today [13:52] 7.1ºC [13:52] No tests recorded yesterday [13:52] yikes! [13:52] and its noon [13:52] That's cold [13:53] will try to do two today, alternate and desktop [13:54] That would be great! [13:54] look for live sessions to start working soon, too [14:25] GridCube: do you use compiz btw? [14:25] nope [14:26] i used it once or twice [14:26] k, nvm [14:26] :) [14:26] i can use it if you need testing [14:26] if you know someone who could test greybird's emerald theme for me, let me know :) [14:27] well only if it's not too much hassle for you or if you have the spare time [14:27] i mean there must be xubuntu compiz users somewhere out there [14:27] sure thing, but when im home, not at work where im stuck whit XP [14:28] ooooo wait... i have a spare computer here... :D i can bring my xubuntu-tesiting hd! [14:29] :) [14:31] * charlie-tca won't even attempt testing anything "compiz". It just doesn't work for me [14:32] yeah, no worries, i mean i *know* the metacity theme is ok [14:32] but someone complained about the emerald theme not working [14:32] but since it works for me i wanted to confirm it [14:34] It has been broken for about two or more releases, since they stopped updating it for Ubuntu. [14:35] yeah, i know. but there's a ppa somewhere [14:37] And there are users that want to have compiz and emerald using Xubuntu [14:38] yes, unfortunately... [14:38] i mean i understand that emerald is more flexible/configurable than metacity, but it's just *so* unstable [14:38] anyway, now at least they can't complain about lack of support on our side anymore ;) [14:40] :D [14:41] gods im freezing [14:41] tea time! [14:47] people across the USA complaining about the heat, and you are freezing? [14:48] * charlie-tca notes the temperature here is rising about 1C every hour [15:03] so, GridCube, anyway to trade some of my heat here for the cooler temps there? [15:05] indeed [15:06] you do some global warming and we are done (?) [15:11] hehe [15:15] mr_pouit: great, thanks! [16:52] sent the mail to the dev list regarding gimp :D [16:54] Thank you, GridCube [16:57] GridCube: you might have missed the backlash when Ubuntu removed GIMP from the default install back in Lucid [16:57] O_o it did? [16:57] That's why I suggested the ML, instead of just saying "No way, are you nuts?" [16:57] lol [16:58] GridCube: well at least now you know what charlie thinks about it ;D [16:59] I have never found gimp any usabilty what so ever, maybe really rarely, but if i need to edit an image i just use other stuff, gimp is just to much [16:59] hm, dunno, actually i've always been pretty happy with gimp [16:59] Must be a new gimp user, huh? [16:59] wouldn't it be cool to have "choose your apps" when installing? [17:00] but i'm not sure i'm representative, because i tend to do a lot of graphical stuff [17:00] I have used gimp a lot, since I switched to Ubuntu back in 2005 [17:00] GridCube: you'd need a DVD install to do something like that [17:00] but I would go with the majority on it, I guess [17:00] not whit a netinstall [17:00] GridCube: iirc edubuntu tried that in their natty, maybe it's worth asking them about it [17:00] i see [17:01] GridCube: what do you with those with expensive connections, doing netinstalls? [17:01] well not for everyone [17:01] i mean debian has 46 cds bro [17:01] We try hard to give everyone the same experience, whether installing by cd or net [17:01] i see [17:01] yup, and we have one [17:02] well my idea is pretty simple, i think that gimp, on xubuntu, is too much [17:02] hm, actually i'm not sure that choosing your software when installing is a wise approach. you can choose your software *after* installing anyway and it's nice to deliver good defaults. [17:02] We give a usable installation on one cd, which makes it pretty good for all users. Download 700MB and use the computer [17:02] well yes [17:02] you are correct [17:03] * GridCube still doesn't like gimp [17:03] * ochosi is not sure that that's sufficient to drop gimp [17:04] XD [17:05] i've given my reasons on the mail [17:08] That gives others a chance to add a yes or no and reasons for their choice. [17:08] gimp is a bit controversial to discuss [17:13] why? [17:13] see above short discussion :) [17:13] don't people change firefox for chromium or midori? aint that even more controversial? [17:13] sure, users do [17:14] chromium has been brought up every UDS and release [17:14] midori keeps coming up for us, but it ain't happened yet, has it? [17:17] nope === davmor2_ is now known as davmor2 [18:15] Temperature: 94.5 °F | Feels Like 119 °F || I always use FF unless the computer can't handle it. I should be able to test something today [18:21] great! [18:21] looks warm there, though [18:22] "only" 84 F here now [18:55] mythbuntu went for chromium [18:55] i dont know franheits :( [18:55] 91F here [18:56] 33C for GridCube's benefit [18:56] 47.84F [18:57] XD thats what my conversor says [18:57] 8.8C at 15:51hs [18:59] okay! leaving work now! [18:59] :D see you in a couple of hours [19:04] beardygnome: thank you very much for doing that review [19:04] It did start a bit of discussion, even. [19:04] no problem charlie [19:05] i hope to get to the team specific parts before the next meeting [22:45] mmm im doing the desktop test for today's image [22:45] and it fails [22:47] live session? [22:47] or an install? [22:47] Live failed for me [22:47] I don't think we have live working yet [22:47] live went all black [22:47] but, I am hoping for this week, maybe? [22:47] yup [22:47] GridCube: What type? I'll do autoresize if you are doing normal [22:47] GridCube: been doing that since we started using lightdm [22:48] but install gives me this; http://imagebin.org/163873 [22:48] You can run the install xubuntu from the menu, though [22:48] cancel, abort the installation, and try again [22:48] i used the same disk i've been using to test alternate, so it was partitioned whit swap and / [22:48] did that [22:49] or you maen reboot? [22:49] If you get the two times, file a bug against ubiquity and attach the image [22:49] yup, after you abort, you have to reboot before it will install right [22:49] okay [22:50] the pymouth text says 11.04 [22:51] GridCube: Are you doing entire disk? [22:52] yes [22:53] That's a bug too, if you didn't accidently get the image [22:54] It's always been 11.04, hasn't updated for this round [22:55] Well, that's still a bug [22:56] That's the kind of bug that we need, too, since it is easy to forget to do that. [22:56] I'll file once I get installed [22:58] Since it's not exactly a Plymouth bug, would that go agenst xubuntu-default-settings? [22:58] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-screenshooter/+bug/813221 [22:58] Ubuntu bug 813221 in xfce4-screenshooter (Ubuntu) "xfce4-screenshot fails to "open whit" " [Undecided,New] [22:59] That's a plymouth bug if it is telling us the wrong release, IIRC [23:00] but, yes, I think it is against xubuntu-default-settings [23:00] no it isn't [23:00] * charlie-tca slaps head [23:01] Unit193: it should be against xubuntu-artwork [23:02] :D I helped ! [23:04] D: It keeps telling me "that name already exist on the network" when editing th computer name [23:07] Go to the next text box and it's fixed [23:07] I noted that one before, but no bug files [23:07] s/files/filed [23:08] it is something that might get people really confused [23:08] * GridCube points at himself [23:08] Yes it is [23:09] oh nice advertising like windows have :P [23:09] Yes, but you can ACTUALLY click on the support button :P [23:09] jejeje [23:09] XD [23:12] well, doesn the name already exist that you are using? [23:12] no... [23:12] Then that is another bug. [23:12] ubuntu-bug ubiquity [23:13] since it is the desktop installer. I thought it was always right, since the names do exist here [23:13] I made some crazy names for it to pick [23:13] well i changed it to a lot of names, and it always said it [23:13] I always use one of the 99 names I have defined [23:14] one can file the bug, one can confirm it [23:14] :P okay [23:15] and one should add it the bug tracker for Xubuntu. [23:15] in the spañish welcomer/installer/advertising there is a few misspellings [23:15] When I tell someone, we had ?? bugs in that release, they always wonder how I know ;) [23:15] XD [23:16] Those are translation bugs [23:16] i agree [23:16] XD [23:16] You file them against xubuntu-artwork, and tell them exactly what they say and we send it to translations to get fixed [23:16] GridCube: I would assume you are going to file and I'll confirm? I can add it to the bug tracker if you don't want to [23:17] its the same Unit193 :P i have to finish the installation first anyway [23:17] bug tracker is a wiki page, not the same [23:17] charlie-tca, next time i will pay more attention [23:18] right [23:18] Unit193, oh, yes, i don't know how to do that [23:18] but it does let me have a pretty accurate count of bugs in the release [23:18] :) [23:18] It's easy, especially if you have a launchpad login [23:19] I can edit the wiki [23:25] now its taking its time on a black screen since like5 minutes ago [23:29] Hah! Killthebirdsinthefireplace isn't on the network :P [23:30] ... still black [23:37] :/ [23:38] GridCube: time to upgrade; the screenshot open with bug is fixed in Oneiric [23:39] oh... :( but i don't want to reconfigure stuff [23:39] and there are a lot of changes already, too [23:40] my screen still black [23:43] on the install or the live session? [23:44] on the install [23:44] 25 minutes already [23:45] on a tty top says its working [23:45] on something [23:45] which one? i386 full disk desktop? [23:45] yes [23:48] trying to reproduce that [23:50] When should I see that? [23:50] after the installer/advertising ends [23:50] it just hanged [23:50] :/ [23:51] did you hit a key to restart? [23:51] no [23:51] or is the screensaver freezing the screen? [23:51] it never asked for it [23:51] try hitting enter on it anyway [23:51] screensaver? [23:51] no [23:52] i get the "I'm working" pointer [23:52] you know the circle that has a circling dot? [23:52] yes [23:52] that [23:52] okay, hardware or vbox? [23:52] vbox [23:53] top says its working on somethng called "http" [23:53] use the vbox control key + F2 to get to a tty, and then try to reset it by selecting Machine -> Ctrl-Alt-Del [23:54] ok [23:54] http://imagebin.org/163883 [23:55] Yeah, ubiquity is still running [23:56] installing now [23:57] :( [23:57] now i got to a welcome screen [23:57] but no tty's [23:57] and if i choose my name it fails [23:58] :/ i cant see grub either [23:59] nope