[04:08] <Unit193> pleia2: You just want the pre-upgrade images? (Like what we have +1?)
[04:09] <pleia2> oh yes
[04:09] <Unit193> No need to get the upgrade? That really cuts down on the time!
[04:09] <pleia2> hehe
[04:09] <pleia2> doing mav to natty, or..?
[04:10] <Unit193> Yep!
[04:10] <pleia2> cool
[04:10] <pleia2> so yeah, just duplicates of everything on /getubuntu
[04:12] <Unit193> I thought I would have to actually DO the upgrade! \o/  (After doing install)
[04:12] <pleia2> also I just realized that page is called getubuntu ...ubuntu? huh.
[04:13] <Unit193> That's what the one guy pointed out
[04:13] <pleia2> going through beardygnome's website review post now to file some more bugs
[04:14] <Unit193> Anything else I can help with? (About to post them to the bugreport)
[04:15] <Unit193> BTW, when I first installed, it already knew about the upgrade so I couldn't get http://xubuntu.org/sites/default/files/update-manager-updates_0.png
[04:15] <pleia2> since you're on the upgrade screens can you sanity-check the portion of beardygnome's email about upgrades? it's at the bottom of the mail (I can link to it if you don't have the email to -devel handy)
[04:19] <Unit193> He is correct, it's in the Update Manager program
[04:20] <Unit193> And I know it's Xubuntu Session
[04:23] <pleia2> ok cool, thanks
[04:25] <Unit193> unit193.imgur.com/xubuntu_update Good? I still have it if you need more
[04:32] <pleia2> checking
[04:33] <Unit193> pleia2: One last idiot question: Do I make more than one bug comment? I only see one upload space
[04:33] <pleia2> hm, is that the default theme?
[04:33] <pleia2> you should probably just leave a comment and email me the images: lyz@ubuntu.com
[04:33] <Unit193> Yes
[04:34] <pleia2> ok cool, these are probably fine, I'm going to finish bg's email and I'll let you know if I have any questions when I get to that section
[04:47] <pleia2> bad gmail, Unit193 not spam!
[04:48] <pleia2> bad Unit193, spaces in filenames!
[04:48] <pleia2> :)
[04:51] <Unit193> pleia2: I know, most of the time I don't (And maybe I AM spam! ;) )
[04:52] <pleia2> hehe
[04:57] <pleia2> Unit193: updated with better text and your screenshots, look good? http://xubuntu.org/getubuntu
[04:59] <Unit193> Update Manager is a program, not a menu. Does that come across?
[05:00] <pleia2> I think so, the text previously was similar
[05:02] <Unit193> Mk. Doesn't fully work on 1024x768, but I'm not sure you need it to. It's all good!
[05:04] <pleia2> the site?
[05:04] <pleia2> oh I see, the images fall off the edge
[05:04] <Unit193> Yep. No other need for my VM?
[05:04] <pleia2> nope, we're set
[05:04] <pleia2> thank you!
[05:05] <Unit193> Sure! Let me know if I can do anything else!
[05:05] <pleia2> will do :)
[05:16] <Unit193> Ah, you going to mark the bug as fixed?
[05:17] <pleia2> have done
[05:19] <Unit193> Oh, I thought it would email me, I fail
[05:19] <pleia2> it may eventually, launchpad emails take a long time lately (like 20 minutes sometimes!)
[05:19] <pleia2> just updated a few minutesago
[09:09] <mr_pouit> micahg: the xubuntu-exclude-blabla... patch is now upstream
[11:53] <jarnos> I installed by a two days old iso, but oneiric does not let me log in. 
[11:56] <jarnos> Any chance it is fixed in today's iso?
[11:56] <astraljava> jarnos: Did you install from the desktop image, or the alternate?
[11:57] <astraljava> jarnos: Well, at least there is a new desktop image today, whee!
[11:57] <astraljava> jarnos: If you can wait a while, I'll let you know.
[11:58] <astraljava> Big changes, almost 25% difference.
[12:01] <jarnos> astraljava, I got it from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/ There is only alternate installs available there.
[12:09] <astraljava> jarnos: Ahh... alright. So, how did it fail to log you in? How did you try?
[12:09] <astraljava> jarnos: For me, it only worked if you clicked on Other..., then presented your username, chose the Xubuntu session, and then typed in the passwd.
[12:12] <jarnos> astraljava, i clicked on my name in the login screen. Then only background image was visible anymore.
[12:13] <jarnos> astraljava, I'll try by the Other way.
[13:50] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[13:50] <GridCube> good and cold
[13:50] <charlie-tca> really?
[13:51] <charlie-tca> about 15C / 59F here
[13:51] <charlie-tca> Going to be another really hot day, since it is only 7:51 AM
[13:51] <charlie-tca> I think the images should be working today
[13:52] <GridCube> 7.1ºC
[13:52] <charlie-tca> No tests recorded yesterday
[13:52] <charlie-tca> yikes!
[13:52] <GridCube> and its noon
[13:52] <charlie-tca> That's cold
[13:53] <GridCube> will try to do two today, alternate and desktop
[13:54] <charlie-tca> That would be great!
[13:54] <charlie-tca> look for live sessions to start working soon, too
[14:25] <ochosi> GridCube: do you use compiz btw?
[14:25] <GridCube> nope
[14:26] <GridCube> i used it once or twice
[14:26] <ochosi> k, nvm
[14:26] <GridCube> :)
[14:26] <GridCube> i can use it if you need testing
[14:26] <ochosi> if you know someone who could test greybird's emerald theme for me, let me know :)
[14:27] <ochosi> well only if it's not too much hassle for you or if you have the spare time
[14:27] <ochosi> i mean there must be xubuntu compiz users somewhere out there
[14:27] <GridCube> sure thing, but when im home, not at work where im stuck whit XP
[14:28] <GridCube> ooooo wait... i have a spare computer here... :D i can bring my xubuntu-tesiting hd!
[14:29] <ochosi> :)
[14:31]  * charlie-tca won't even attempt testing anything "compiz". It just doesn't work for me
[14:32] <ochosi> yeah, no worries, i mean i *know* the metacity theme is ok
[14:32] <ochosi> but someone complained about the emerald theme not working
[14:32] <ochosi> but since it works for me i wanted to confirm it
[14:34] <charlie-tca> It has been broken for about two or more releases, since they stopped updating it for Ubuntu.
[14:35] <ochosi> yeah, i know. but there's a ppa somewhere
[14:37] <charlie-tca> And there are users that want to have compiz and emerald using Xubuntu
[14:38] <ochosi> yes, unfortunately...
[14:38] <ochosi> i mean i understand that emerald is more flexible/configurable than metacity, but it's just *so* unstable
[14:38] <ochosi> anyway, now at least they can't complain about lack of support on our side anymore ;)
[14:40] <GridCube> :D
[14:41] <GridCube> gods im freezing
[14:41] <GridCube> tea time!
[14:47] <charlie-tca> people across the USA complaining about the heat, and you are freezing?
[14:48]  * charlie-tca notes the temperature here is rising about 1C every hour
[15:03] <charlie-tca> so, GridCube, anyway to trade some of my heat here for the cooler temps there?
[15:05] <GridCube> indeed
[15:06] <GridCube> you do some global warming and we are done (?)
[15:11] <charlie-tca> hehe
[15:15] <micahg> mr_pouit: great, thanks!
[16:52] <GridCube> sent the mail to the dev list regarding gimp  :D
[16:54] <charlie-tca> Thank you, GridCube 
[16:57] <micahg> GridCube: you might have missed the backlash when Ubuntu removed GIMP from the default install back in Lucid
[16:57] <GridCube> O_o it did?
[16:57] <charlie-tca> That's why I suggested the ML, instead of just saying "No way, are you nuts?"
[16:57] <ochosi> lol
[16:58] <ochosi> GridCube: well at least now you know what charlie thinks about it ;D
[16:59] <GridCube> I have never found gimp any usabilty what so ever, maybe really rarely, but if i need to edit an image i just use other stuff, gimp is just to much
[16:59] <ochosi> hm, dunno, actually i've always been pretty happy with gimp
[16:59] <charlie-tca> Must be a new gimp user, huh?
[16:59] <GridCube> wouldn't it be cool to have "choose your apps" when installing?
[17:00] <ochosi> but i'm not sure i'm representative, because i tend to do a lot of graphical stuff
[17:00] <charlie-tca> I have used gimp a lot, since I switched to Ubuntu back in 2005
[17:00] <micahg> GridCube: you'd need a DVD install to do something like that
[17:00] <charlie-tca> but I would go with the majority on it, I guess
[17:00] <GridCube> not whit a netinstall
[17:00] <ochosi> GridCube: iirc edubuntu tried that in their natty, maybe it's worth asking them about it
[17:00] <GridCube> i see
[17:01] <charlie-tca> GridCube: what do you with those with expensive connections, doing netinstalls?
[17:01] <GridCube> well not for everyone 
[17:01] <GridCube> i mean debian has 46 cds bro
[17:01] <charlie-tca> We try hard to give everyone the same experience, whether installing by cd or net
[17:01] <GridCube> i see
[17:01] <charlie-tca> yup, and we have one
[17:02] <GridCube> well my idea is pretty simple, i think that gimp, on xubuntu, is too much
[17:02] <ochosi> hm, actually i'm not sure that choosing your software when installing is a wise approach. you can choose your software *after* installing anyway and it's nice to deliver good defaults.
[17:02] <charlie-tca> We give a usable installation on one cd, which makes it pretty good for all users. Download 700MB and use the computer
[17:02] <GridCube> well yes
[17:02] <GridCube> you are correct
[17:03]  * GridCube still doesn't like gimp
[17:03]  * ochosi is not sure that that's sufficient to drop gimp
[17:04] <GridCube> XD
[17:05] <GridCube> i've given my reasons on the mail
[17:08] <charlie-tca> That gives others a chance to add a yes or no and reasons for their choice.
[17:08] <charlie-tca> gimp is a bit controversial to discuss
[17:13] <GridCube> why?
[17:13] <charlie-tca> see above short discussion :)
[17:13] <GridCube> don't people change firefox for chromium or midori? aint that even more controversial?
[17:13] <charlie-tca> sure, users do
[17:14] <charlie-tca> chromium has been brought up every UDS and release
[17:14] <charlie-tca> midori keeps coming up for us, but it ain't happened yet, has it?
[17:17] <GridCube> nope
[18:15] <Unit193> Temperature: 94.5 °F | Feels Like 119 °F || I always use FF unless the computer can't handle it. I should be able to test something today
[18:21] <charlie-tca> great!
[18:21] <charlie-tca> looks warm there, though
[18:22] <charlie-tca> "only" 84 F here now
[18:55] <micahg> mythbuntu went for chromium
[18:55] <GridCube> i dont know franheits :(
[18:55] <micahg> 91F here
[18:56] <micahg> 33C for GridCube's benefit
[18:56] <GridCube> 47.84F
[18:57] <GridCube> XD thats what my conversor says
[18:57] <GridCube> 8.8C at 15:51hs
[18:59] <GridCube> okay! leaving work now!
[18:59] <GridCube> :D see you in a couple of hours
[19:04] <charlie-tca> beardygnome: thank you very much for doing that review
[19:04] <charlie-tca> It did start a bit of discussion, even.
[19:04] <beardygnome> no problem charlie
[19:05] <beardygnome> i hope to get to the team specific parts before the next meeting
[22:45] <GridCube> mmm im doing the desktop test for today's image
[22:45] <GridCube> and it fails
[22:47] <charlie-tca> live session?
[22:47] <charlie-tca> or an install?
[22:47] <Unit193> Live failed for me
[22:47] <charlie-tca> I don't think we have live working yet
[22:47] <GridCube> live went all black
[22:47] <charlie-tca> but, I am hoping for this week, maybe?
[22:47] <charlie-tca> yup
[22:47] <Unit193> GridCube: What type? I'll do autoresize if you are doing normal
[22:47] <charlie-tca> GridCube: been doing that since we started using lightdm
[22:48] <GridCube> but install gives me this; http://imagebin.org/163873
[22:48] <charlie-tca> You can run the install xubuntu from the menu, though
[22:48] <charlie-tca> cancel, abort the installation, and try again
[22:48] <GridCube> i used the same disk i've been using to test alternate, so it was partitioned whit swap and /
[22:48] <GridCube> did that
[22:49] <GridCube> or you maen reboot?
[22:49] <charlie-tca> If you get the two times, file a bug against ubiquity and attach the image
[22:49] <charlie-tca> yup, after you abort, you have to reboot before it will install right
[22:49] <GridCube> okay
[22:50] <GridCube> the pymouth text says 11.04
[22:51] <Unit193> GridCube: Are you doing entire disk?
[22:52] <GridCube> yes
[22:53] <charlie-tca> That's a bug too, if you didn't accidently get the image
[22:54] <Unit193> It's always been 11.04, hasn't updated for this round
[22:55] <charlie-tca> Well, that's still a bug
[22:56] <charlie-tca> That's the kind of bug that we need, too, since it is easy to forget to do that.
[22:56] <Unit193> I'll file once I get installed
[22:58] <Unit193> Since it's not exactly a Plymouth bug, would that go agenst xubuntu-default-settings?
[22:58] <GridCube> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-screenshooter/+bug/813221
[22:59] <charlie-tca> That's a plymouth bug if it is telling us the wrong release, IIRC
[23:00] <charlie-tca> but, yes, I think it is against xubuntu-default-settings
[23:00] <charlie-tca> no it isn't
[23:00]  * charlie-tca slaps head
[23:01] <charlie-tca> Unit193: it should be against xubuntu-artwork
[23:02] <GridCube> :D I helped !
[23:04] <GridCube> D: It keeps telling me "that name already exist on the network" when editing th computer name
[23:07] <Unit193> Go to the next text box and it's fixed
[23:07] <Unit193> I noted that one before, but no bug files
[23:07] <Unit193> s/files/filed
[23:08] <GridCube> it is something that might get people really confused
[23:08]  * GridCube points at himself
[23:08] <Unit193> Yes it is
[23:09] <GridCube> oh nice advertising like windows have :P
[23:09] <Unit193> Yes, but you can ACTUALLY click on the support button :P
[23:09] <GridCube> jejeje
[23:09] <GridCube> XD
[23:12] <charlie-tca> well, doesn the name already exist that you are using?
[23:12] <GridCube> no...
[23:12] <charlie-tca> Then that is another bug.
[23:12] <charlie-tca> ubuntu-bug ubiquity
[23:13] <charlie-tca> since it is the desktop installer. I thought it was always right, since the names do exist here
[23:13] <Unit193> I made some crazy names for it to pick
[23:13] <GridCube> well i changed it to a lot of names, and it always said it
[23:13] <charlie-tca> I always use one of the 99 names I have defined
[23:14] <charlie-tca> one can file the bug, one can confirm it
[23:14] <GridCube> :P okay
[23:15] <charlie-tca> and one should add it the bug tracker for Xubuntu.
[23:15] <GridCube> in the spañish welcomer/installer/advertising there is a few misspellings
[23:15] <charlie-tca> When I tell someone, we had ?? bugs in that release, they always wonder how I know ;)
[23:15] <GridCube> XD
[23:16] <charlie-tca> Those are translation bugs
[23:16] <GridCube> i agree
[23:16] <GridCube> XD
[23:16] <charlie-tca> You file them against xubuntu-artwork, and tell them exactly what they say and we send it to translations to get fixed
[23:16] <Unit193> GridCube: I would assume you are going to file and I'll confirm?  I can add it to the bug tracker if you don't want to
[23:17] <GridCube> its the same Unit193 :P i have to finish the installation first anyway
[23:17] <Unit193> bug tracker is a wiki page, not the same
[23:17] <GridCube> charlie-tca, next time i will pay more attention
[23:18] <charlie-tca> right
[23:18] <GridCube> Unit193, oh, yes, i don't know how to do that
[23:18] <charlie-tca> but it does let me have a pretty accurate count of bugs in the release
[23:18] <GridCube> :)
[23:18] <charlie-tca> It's easy, especially if you have a launchpad login
[23:19] <Unit193> I can edit the wiki
[23:25] <GridCube> now its taking its time on a black screen since like5 minutes ago
[23:29] <Unit193> Hah! Killthebirdsinthefireplace isn't on the network :P
[23:30] <GridCube> ... still black
[23:37] <GridCube> :/
[23:38] <charlie-tca> GridCube: time to upgrade; the screenshot open with bug is fixed in Oneiric 
[23:39] <GridCube> oh... :( but i don't want to reconfigure stuff
[23:39] <charlie-tca> and there are a lot of changes already, too
[23:40] <GridCube> my screen still black
[23:43] <charlie-tca> on the install or the live session?
[23:44] <GridCube> on the install
[23:44] <GridCube> 25 minutes already
[23:45] <GridCube> on a tty top says its working
[23:45] <GridCube> on something
[23:45] <charlie-tca> which one? i386 full disk desktop?
[23:45] <GridCube> yes
[23:48] <charlie-tca> trying to reproduce that 
[23:50] <charlie-tca> When should I see that?
[23:50] <GridCube> after the installer/advertising ends
[23:50] <GridCube> it just hanged 
[23:50] <GridCube> :/
[23:51] <charlie-tca> did you hit a key to restart?
[23:51] <GridCube> no
[23:51] <charlie-tca> or is the screensaver freezing the screen?
[23:51] <GridCube> it never asked for it
[23:51] <charlie-tca> try hitting enter on it anyway
[23:51] <GridCube> screensaver?
[23:51] <GridCube> no
[23:52] <GridCube> i get the "I'm working" pointer
[23:52] <GridCube> you know the circle that has a circling dot?
[23:52] <charlie-tca> yes
[23:52] <GridCube> that
[23:52] <charlie-tca> okay, hardware or vbox?
[23:52] <GridCube> vbox
[23:53] <GridCube> top says its working on somethng called "http"
[23:53] <charlie-tca> use the vbox control key + F2 to get to a tty, and then try to reset it by selecting Machine -> Ctrl-Alt-Del
[23:54] <GridCube> ok
[23:54] <GridCube> http://imagebin.org/163883
[23:55] <charlie-tca> Yeah, ubiquity is still running
[23:56] <charlie-tca> installing now
[23:57] <GridCube> :(
[23:57] <GridCube> now i got to a welcome screen
[23:57] <GridCube> but no tty's
[23:57] <GridCube> and if i choose my name it fails
[23:58] <GridCube> :/ i cant see grub either
[23:59] <GridCube> nope