[00:09] <BarkingFish> good morning all
[00:10] <BarkingFish> At least it will be when I can fix some stuff on here :)  I've installed kubuntu 11.04, and having a few problems which i hope someone can help with, since they're pretty major ones.
[00:11] <BarkingFish> firstly, i've managed to install ndiswrapper and set out the basics of my usb wifi stick, added the drivers etc, but it won't work.  The networkmanager isn't detecting the presence of the interface, and I don't know where to configure the interface
[00:12] <BarkingFish> I'm using the built in wifi, and it means me having to sit with my laptop perched on a windowledge 40ft off the floor to get a signal :)
[00:13] <BarkingFish> anyone able to help me get it working please?
[00:19] <OerHeks> BarkingFish, i don't know a lot about wifi, maybe this troubleshooting page is any help > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessTroubleShootingGuide
[00:20] <BarkingFish> ok, well I'm checking with #ubuntu also, but I'll take a look at that
[00:38] <szal> BarkingFish: why are you huddling w/ ndiswrapper anyway?  is there no native driver for your chipset?
[00:47] <BarkingFish> szal: Not for my USB Stick, and I desperately need it working
[00:47] <BarkingFish> The inbuilt wifi is natively supported using ath5k
[00:48] <sithlord48> what kind of chipset in the usb stick?
[00:48] <BarkingFish> that's what I'm using now, but where I normally work inside, the signal from my local beacon is too weak
[00:48] <BarkingFish> sithlord48: Atheros AR5523
[00:48] <sithlord48> that should work via the ath5k driver
[00:48] <BarkingFish> i use ndiswrapper with net5523.inf and athfmwdl.inf
[00:48] <BarkingFish> sithlord48: no, it doesn't.
[00:49] <BarkingFish> ath5k is for pci devices
[00:49] <BarkingFish> it doesn't support the 5523
[00:49] <BarkingFish> it took me 4 weeks to get it to work on my last distro, i was hoping it would be a bit faster here :)
[00:49] <sithlord48> http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ar5523 ? if you can compile it ?
[00:50] <sithlord48> let me see what goods i can dig up for you
[00:50] <BarkingFish> thanks
[00:50] <BarkingFish> so far i have the ndiswrapper driver install tool, which tells me the drivers are installed and the hardware is present
[00:50] <sithlord48> i can't help you with that i've only used it once
[00:50] <BarkingFish> i have wicd which doesn't spot the interface, only wlan0 (this one) and the eth0
[00:51] <BarkingFish> iwconfig doesn't see it either. what I need is to find out how to associate the ndiswrapper install and the key with an interface config
[00:52] <sithlord48> have you seen the community docs ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[00:53] <BarkingFish> not yet, i've been using kubuntu for just about an hour - i'm an immigrant from mandriva.
[00:53] <sithlord48> ah well, first welcome
[00:53] <BarkingFish> i hope i have more fun with this than a distro which is bleeding developers and falling apart like a badly made chinese soft toy :)
[00:53] <BarkingFish> thank you
[00:53] <sithlord48> the after you instaleld ndiswrapper have you loaded the driver module ?
[00:54] <BarkingFish> modprobe ndiswrapper ?
[00:54] <sithlord48> you need a sudo first
[00:54] <BarkingFish> yeah, done it
[00:55] <sithlord48> see section 3.5 of the community docs above, says do "sudo depmod -a" then "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper"
[00:55] <BarkingFish> ok
[00:56] <BarkingFish> right, both done
[00:57] <szal> BarkingFish: Google search spewed out this -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1012812 <- native support, though not perfect, as far as it looks (users report system instabilities)
[00:57] <BarkingFish> yeah, if it's not stable, i'd prefer to go with ndiswrapper if i can get it to function
[00:58] <sithlord48> does lsmod show you having ndiswrapper loaded ?
[00:58] <BarkingFish> ndiswrapper is perfectly happy with the drivers, says the device and both drivers are present (129b:160c with athfmwdl and net5523)
[00:58] <BarkingFish> yes
[00:59] <sithlord48> do u need to black list the open driver?
[00:59] <BarkingFish> i have no idea
[00:59] <sithlord48> generally two dirvers for one device = bad time
[00:59] <BarkingFish> :)
[01:00] <BarkingFish> i feel like a newbie again :)
[01:00] <BarkingFish> where is the blacklist please, and how do I know which driver the device is using so I can blacklist it?
[01:00] <sithlord48> well i can't answer that for you (driver part) try the athfmwdl first?
[01:01] <BarkingFish> right, well when I used the other distro, it needed both. one is the driver, the other is the firmware
[01:01] <sithlord48> oh well then thats not two drivers then (nvm)
[01:02] <BarkingFish> net5523 is the driver, athfmwdl is the actual atheros firmware info
[01:02] <szal> blacklist (system-wide; no idea whether ndiswrapper has its own) -> /etc/modules/blacklist.conf
[01:02] <BarkingFish> okies, thanks szal.
[01:03]  * BarkingFish thinks he'd better start taking lots of notes
[01:03] <szal> BarkingFish: sorry, my bad -> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[01:03] <BarkingFish> what I need to do then, is create an interface for the usb stick, and an interface configuration.
[01:03] <sithlord48> BarkingFish:  you might want to look in to the native driver this thead is a year old perhaps the driver has improved ?
[01:05] <BarkingFish> sorry for keep referring back to my old distro, but what I did there was create a file called ifcfg-wlan1, which contained all the information associated with the device.  I still have a copy of it if you want to look and see the type of thing I mean, maybe you have something like this which i need to put somewhere.
[01:06] <sithlord48> not that i know of
[01:08] <BarkingFish> well this is what it looked like, http://pastebin.com/VRzUdAFQ
[01:08] <sithlord48> yea never seen a file liek that before.
[01:09] <sithlord48> does iwconfig show the device?
[01:10] <BarkingFish> no, unfortunately
[01:10] <BarkingFish> it shows lo, eth0 and wlan0 (which is the built in)
[01:11] <BarkingFish> i think I've just hit what's wrong
[01:11] <BarkingFish> and I'm a doofus
[01:11] <sithlord48> ah love how it works like that some times :D
[01:11] <BarkingFish> i went back to ndiswrapper -m (to write the modprobe conf) and it said it was writing an alias for wlan0 in modprobe.d/ndiswrapper.conf
[01:12] <BarkingFish> or something silly like that
[01:12] <BarkingFish> if I edit the ndiswrapper.conf and change that alias to wlan1, i think that might just do it
[01:12] <sithlord48> oh well that might do it
[01:12] <sithlord48> GL!
[01:12] <BarkingFish> rightly ho, give me a moment :)
[01:12] <BarkingFish> brb
[01:13] <sithlord48> kk
[01:20] <BarkingFish> I'm sorry about that.  I went to take the ndiswrapper drivers out and my system went into kernel panic and died
[01:20] <BarkingFish> the ndiswrapper.conf however is set up with the right alias now.
[01:21] <sithlord48> so its working now
[01:21] <BarkingFish> I've not checked, i've changed the alias, just going to see if i can sort out what's happening now
[01:22] <sithlord48> you might have to load the driver again
[01:25] <BarkingFish> yeah, i have done. i'm just going to run the sudo depmod -a and sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[01:26] <sithlord48> im not sure if you need to run depmod again or not honestly . but your gonna need modprobe either way
[01:27] <sithlord48> oh i don't think you need to after this one (" depmod - program to generate modules.dep and map files") from man file
[01:28] <BarkingFish> nope, still no go
[01:28] <BarkingFish> I just tried sudo ifup wlan1 and got this: Ignoring unknown interface wlan1=wlan1
[01:29] <sithlord48> thats normal..
[01:29] <sithlord48> iwconfig show it ?
[01:29] <BarkingFish> no
[01:29] <BarkingFish> :(
[01:29] <sithlord48> i get that error about the interface on ones the Network manager shows just about every time i use ifup / ifdown
[01:30] <sithlord48> does it show in lshw?
[01:31] <sithlord48> ah but that doesn't show the interface ...
[01:32] <BarkingFish> no
[01:32] <BarkingFish> it's not in lshw either, the built in is howver
[01:32] <BarkingFish> *however
[01:33] <sithlord48> that might be a clue then
[01:33] <BarkingFish> I take it this isn't looking good then.
[01:34] <sithlord48> im not sure, i don't know much about ndiswrapper. but it should show up in lshw with or w/o a driver.
[01:36] <BarkingFish> hm
[01:44] <allan8904> hi, i have an nvida 7300 running the proprietory driver, when i install ubuntu 11.04 i can get to KDM and then login but when the "K" starts appearing it just freezes (i can move the mouse though). When i switch to the nouveau i can use dual screen but not with 2 widescreen resolutions
[01:44] <allan8904> is there a work around for either issue?
[01:44] <sithlord48> allan w/ nouveau can you set the res you want ?
[01:45] <allan8904> sithlord48: yeah i can, but when i change to 1920x1080 and then the other screen left/right of it at 1920x1080 it goes all scretched and i cant see anything
[01:45] <allan8904> i can mirror them at this resolution fine
[01:46] <allan8904> and i can dual screen properly at 1280x1024
[01:47] <sithlord48> disable desktop effects w/ properitary driver to log in ?
[01:47] <allan8904> sithlord48: hmm i know i disabled desktop effects at some stage, but i'm not sure if it was when i was using the proprietory one or not
[01:48] <allan8904> is it a known issue or something?
[01:48] <sithlord48> idk don't use nvidia i have intel and ati card w/ kubuntu
[01:48] <allan8904> ah ok
[01:49] <sithlord48> but i would start there cause if plasma desktop is not loading there must be a reason, and effects might just be it
[01:50] <allan8904> cool, thankyou for your help sithlord48
[01:50] <sithlord48> your welcome
[01:50] <jeiworth> allan8904: you can permanently disable desktop effects in system settings -> desktop effects
[01:51] <allan8904> jeiworth: yeah they're currently disabled, so i'm just gonna reinstall the nvida driver and see how it goes
[01:51] <sithlord48> allan8904: if you can't enter the gui you can also do it thru a terminal run nano ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc look for the line "Enabled=True" make it "Enabled=False"
[01:52] <allan8904> thanks :)
[01:52] <jeiworth> allan8904: kk but it being linux and all just reinstalling usually doesn't fix a thing ;)
[01:53] <allan8904> jeiworth: haha tell me about it...
[01:54] <jeiworth> try purging the package before to make sure it deletes the config files as well
[01:54] <sithlord48> gl allan8904 and BarkingFish , night all
[01:54] <allan8904> night
[02:46] <Linkmaster> What does 'ugly' and 'bad' restricted mean? I just reinstalled my system, and this is the first time I've ever seen it. Amarok told me of some packages I can install[I use .ogg as my music] to increase functionality, and it says "GStreamer Plugins (Bad Restricted) and "" "" (Ugly Restricted)"
[02:46] <Linkmaster> I figure they are talking about support for .mp3's, etc. etc., I'm just wondering as to the why
[02:46] <Linkmaster> *Or, why as in 'bad' and 'ugly'
[02:54] <OerHeks> Linkmaster, ugly & bad means 'not good compared' and 'might pose distribution problems' >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GStreamer
[02:59] <vietred> hi all
[02:59] <vietred> my plasma-desktop crash after I add a panel
[02:59] <Linkmaster> OerHeks: Thanks! I hope it doesn't break my system xD
[03:00] <vietred> how to remove a panel by command line?
[03:01] <Linkmaster> vietred: Try restarting KDM first, see if that brings it back
[03:01] <vietred> Linkmaster: I restart the box, and right after I log in, plasma-desktop crash
[03:02] <Linkmaster> vietred: you can create a new kde desktop, and move everything else into the original w/o causing too much problems
[03:02] <OerHeks> vietred, maybe rm the config will do > http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9249676&postcount=3
[03:02] <Linkmaster> ^Thats probably simply
[03:03] <Linkmaster> *simplier
[03:03] <vietred> I'll try that
[03:05] <vietred> OerHeks, Linkmaster: phew, you guys save me :D
[03:05] <vietred> it works
[03:05] <vietred> thank you :D
[03:05] <OerHeks> have fun vietred
[03:06] <Linkmaster> Glad to help
[03:22] <Linkmaster> I am browbeating myself here, but I forgot how to update my system to 4.6.5. I currently have 4.6.2, and clicked on all four checks for KPK, but am now using muon, and I added 'ppa:kubuntu/backports' but I don't think thats right..
[03:24] <Linkmaster> Then it complains about this: "Failed to download http://ppa.launchpad.net natty/main Sources" being a 404, so I know that I did something wrong, and I'm forgetting
[03:26] <OerHeks> i'm not sure 4.6.2 is available ?
[03:26] <OerHeks> *4.6.5
[03:27] <Linkmaster> I saw a release thing on www.kubuntu.org about it
[03:27] <Linkmaster> "1 week 4 days ago
[03:27] <Linkmaster> Packages for the release of the KDE Software Compilation 4.6.5 are available for Kubuntu 11.04..."
[03:27]  * Linkmaster facepalms
[03:27] <OerHeks> ah ppa:kubuntu-ppa
[03:27] <OerHeks> not the backports
[03:27] <Linkmaster> I just saw that. I was like "oh hey..theres a link...lets click on it"
[03:28] <OerHeks> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-release-4.6.5
[03:28] <Linkmaster> Thanks anyways, sorry to take your time :P
[03:28] <OerHeks> i just wait and hang 'round till 4.7 arrives
[03:28] <Linkmaster> Spending 3 weeks away from kubuntu is doing things to me
[03:30] <Roey> hi
[03:30] <OerHeks> :-)
[03:31] <Roey> I have a Quickcam 90000.   I am trying to use VLC with /dev/video0 as input and it tells me "Your input can't be opened:
[03:31] <Roey> VLC is unable to open the MRL 'v4l2:///dev/video0'. Check the log for details."  Where is this log?
[03:32] <OerHeks> Roey, logs are stored in /var/log/
[03:32] <Roey> yes but there's no /var/log/vlc
[03:32] <OerHeks> true, i think you need /var/log/syslog
[03:33] <Roey> ooh
[03:33] <Roey> true.
[03:34] <Roey> also I ran vlc -v just now and found that it is a perms issue:  http://pastebin.com/MWm0gQZ8
[03:38] <OerHeks> i found this chmod >  chmod o+rw /dev/video0  #maybe you need to run this as root
[03:38] <Roey> fine, I added myself to the 'video' group and stuff works now.  Thanks!
[03:39] <OerHeks> ah nice
[03:44] <Linkmaster> I think they reorganized .kde since my last installation....where does kdm hide nowadays?
[03:44] <Roey> oh
[03:44] <Roey> hey
[03:44] <Roey> why is kded4 taking 100% cpu time?
[03:44] <Roey> kubuntu 11.04 here.
[03:45] <Linkmaster> I found it, and...hm. That sounds like a memory leak or something
[03:45] <OerHeks> Roey, maybe flash is eating you cputime ?
[03:45] <Roey> I did killall npviewer.bin
[03:46] <Roey> let me see if flash is still running
[03:47] <Roey> I had this process running so I killed it (yet kded4 is still at 100%):  roey     24869  0.0  0.1 207252 12932 ?        Sl   Jul09   9:53 /usr/lib/firefox-5.0/plugin-container /var/lib/flashplugin-installer/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so -omnijar /usr/lib/firefox-5.0/omni.jar 24782 true plugin
[04:32] <Roey> hey can I kill kded4 and restart it?  it's taking 100% cpu time.
[04:32] <Roey> *can I kill/restart kded4 without clobbering X
[04:33] <OerHeks> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[04:45] <Roey> OerHeks:  thanks
[04:46] <OerHeks> have fun Roey
[04:46] <Roey> OerHeks:  ok that just resets kdm but kded4 is still pegged at 100%
[04:46] <Roey> cpu time.
[04:47] <OerHeks> install htop, and see what process or orphan process is causing this
[04:47] <Roey> ok hmm I just installed htop coincidentally earlier today, heh
[04:48] <Roey> FIrefox.
[04:48] <Roey> OerHeks:  firefox takes 45% cpu time but I did not see that with top
[04:48] <Roey> only with htop.
[04:48] <OerHeks> htop is more detailed, it should be standard
[04:50] <Roey> eh, firefox with 100 image-, facebook- and okcupid-laden tabs is slow, go figure
[04:51] <Roey> I wish I could shut javascirpt off globally for a
[04:51] <Roey> er
[04:51] <Roey> noscript, i guess.
[04:51] <Roey> Roey:  thanks!
[04:51] <Roey> Roey:  no problem
[04:51] <Roey> OerHeks:  thanks to you too :) and good night!
[04:51] <OerHeks> good night Roey
[04:52] <OerHeks> b.t.w. it's 06:51 here
[06:36] <redeyyez> my nix box becomes sluggish after a week or so.  Ive ran ps -A / ps -a  and kill many process via kill PID
[06:36] <redeyyez> Not totally certain if that's a good idea, and that doesn't totally return it to a "fresh" boot state.
[06:37] <redeyyez> probably a n00b solution but im sure there's gotta be more i don't grasp yet on how to fix this via terminal rather than doing "kill" or "reboot"
[06:46] <redeyyez> my nix box becomes sluggish after a week or so.  Ive ran ps -A / ps -a  and kill many process via kill PID, Not totally certain if that's a good idea, and that doesn't totally return it to a "fresh" boot state, probably a n00b solution but im sure there's gotta be more i don't grasp yet on how to fix this via terminal rather than doing "kill" or "reboot". Besides im somewhat a linux n00b.  Running kubuntu:natty:
[06:46] <redeyyez> damn sorry for the double post/flood.
[07:44] <LINKSWORD2> Hey guys. I've got a question....
[07:44] <LINKSWORD2> I'm looking for audio editing software that's compatible with Linux.
[07:44] <LINKSWORD2> Specifically, with Kubuntu.
[07:46] <Unit193> Wouldn't Audacity do?
[07:46] <LINKSWORD2> I dunno? lol
[07:47] <LINKSWORD2> I've only used Adobe Soundbooth before, on Windows & Mac. I've never had to find something compatible with Linux before.
[07:49] <kurtul> audacity is good
[07:50] <Unit193> Quite so, as long as you learn how to use it! (You can even make yourself sound like a Dalek)
[07:50] <LINKSWORD2> ... WTF is Dalek?
[07:59] <LINKSWORD2> All right, I have researched Audacity.
[07:59] <LINKSWORD2> Can I install it via sudo apt-get ???
[08:02] <Unit193> Yep, it's in the repos
[08:03] <LINKSWORD2> The only things I'm finding on Audacity's sites about downloading it for a Linux OS is source code packages that you have to compile...
[08:03] <LINKSWORD2> I'm lost....
[08:05] <Unit193> Just open kpackagekit and search for it in there, or type   sudo apt-get install audacity    in the terminal
[08:06] <LINKSWORD2> Thank you.
[08:31] <LINKSWORD2> Unit193: It doesn't appear that Audacity will do multi-track editing. Any suggestions?
[09:00] <OerHeks> LINKSWORD2, yes it does, audacity can record & edit multitrack recording.
[09:00] <LINKSWORD2> Heh. I found it and started playing around with it, and I forgot I still had Quassel open...
[09:00] <OerHeks> :-)
[09:02] <LINKSWORD2> Now all I've gotta do is find a way to import my audio.... (Cassettes.)
[09:03] <OerHeks> connect thru line-in ?
[09:03] <LINKSWORD2> That's the idea. Except that I need the appropriate import line.
[09:04] <OerHeks> not available on your soundcard ?
[09:04] <LINKSWORD2> So... I need to buzz somebody on Craigslist or something....
[09:17] <szal> LINKSWORD2: from my experience, recording from analog audio sources in Linux is never entirely clean -- you WILL most likely have some static coming from refreshing the screen
[09:18] <LINKSWORD2> That may be the case, but I have enough experience with audio editing that I can take a fair amount of it out....
[09:18] <LINKSWORD2> And I don't have a way to digitally transfer the audio.
[09:21] <LINKSWORD2> I think I'm going to shut down for the night.
[09:26] <belhan_a> hy
[09:28] <tetar> ya k1?
[09:28] <master_> HALLOOWW
[09:29] <master_> MET KNAL SMUA
[09:29] <szal> !en | master_
[09:29] <tetar> we have to speak english?
[09:29] <szal> here, yes
[09:29] <tetar> ok ok
[09:29] <tetar> so there is a lot of people here?
[09:30] <szal> plus, this is a SUPPORT channel..  for non-support-related talking please use #kubuntu-offtopic and/or #ubuntu-offtopic
[09:31] <tetar> ok sorry
[09:33] <steliosas> clear
[09:33] <steliosas> hello
[09:33] <szal> steliosas: try /clear
[09:33] <Peace-> #ubuntu-it-chat
[09:34] <Peace-> sorry
[09:34] <steliosas> I just installed Linux Kubuntu and I can't find the Synaptics in order to search and download some packages
[09:34] <Peace-> steliosas: is 11.04?
[09:34] <steliosas> yes
[09:34] <steliosas> for specifically I would like to download skype
[09:34] <Peace-> steliosas: it's called kpackagekit
[09:34] <szal> steliosas: it's Synaptic anyway, without the s at the end..  synaptics is something different ;)
[09:35] <Peace-> steliosas: type in konsole  kpackagekit
[09:35] <szal> Peace-: lol..  when using the terminal, there are other ways :)
[09:35] <steliosas> I found it . Thanks a lot
[09:35] <steliosas> I got used to Linux Mint and this has different onomatology
[09:37] <steliosas> the way kubuntu arranges my desktop icons I do not like.
[09:37] <steliosas> spiral way. Can I make it just one straight line ?
[09:37] <szal> there's no such thing as desktop icons in KDE4 anyway
[09:37] <steliosas> why not ?
[09:38] <steliosas> I find it to be an easy way to access firefox for instance. I don't want to look for it in the box menu
[09:38] <szal> try putting a launcher on the panel
[09:40] <steliosas> I kind of like desktop icons
[09:40] <steliosas> empty space is scary
[09:41]  * szal never gave a wet fart about desktop icons
[09:41] <steliosas> I guess there is no support to see if my lifecam VX 7000 works with skype in Kubuntu
[09:42] <szal> Skype as proprietary software is not officially supported by Ubuntu or Canonical anyway
[09:42] <steliosas> and I can't find just skype in kpackage but just some skype plugins. Can I find the skype-program alone in  kubuntu ?
[09:42] <steliosas> :(
[09:43] <Hazarooooo> Hey folks. Whats the default imagebin that the KDE image / paste desktop widget uses?
[09:43] <OerHeks> skype is there
[09:43] <szal> OerHeks: where is it?  iirc, I installed the 64bit *buntu .deb from skype.com
[09:44] <steliosas> OerHeks: I can't find it. I have 5 options but no skype alone. Just skype-plugins
[09:44] <szal> though I believe they have a package source you can add to your sources
[09:45] <OerHeks> i see it clearly > http://picpaste.com/pics/skype-67Mg4NcG.1311155131.png
[09:46] <OerHeks> .... skype , skyped
[09:46] <Tm_T> !skype | steliosas
[09:46] <szal> OerHeks: that doesn't state where the package comes/came from
[09:46] <OerHeks> szal that was not the question
[09:47] <szal> OerHeks: yes, it was, since steliosas complained that he cannot find it
[09:47] <OerHeks> just where is it.
[09:47] <szal> imho, that's one of the things apt needs to improve on..  showing the origin of packages
[09:47] <OerHeks> ah i understand now, it comes with partner repository
[09:48] <steliosas> I still can;t find it
[09:48] <szal> !partner
[09:48] <steliosas> you have 6 packages including skype alone. I have 5 packages without skype
[09:48] <steliosas> su
[09:52] <szal> steliosas: iirc, you need to explicitly enable the partner PPA in 11.04
[09:52] <steliosas> how to I do that szal
[09:55] <szal> steliosas: either via the graphical package manager (not Synaptic, the other; forgot its name because I never use it), or by uncommenting the 2 respective lines in /etc/apt/sources.list (self-explanatory; just read the instructions in the file)
[09:55] <steliosas> :(
[09:56] <steliosas> can I just go to skype.com and install it from there ?
[09:56] <steliosas> it's ubuntu based right ?
[09:56] <szal> what is 'ubuntu based'?
[09:57] <szal> steliosas: other than that, what's so hard about editing the sources.list?
[09:57] <OerHeks> steliosas, just enable partner repo in software sources.
[09:57] <szal> -> Alt + F2 -> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list -> find the aforementioned 2 lines & remove the # in front of them -> save -> refresh package sources -> install
[09:58] <steliosas> will it explode after that ?  lol joke !
[09:59] <steliosas> I am new into linux ingeneral
[10:01] <steliosas> I failed.
[10:01] <yofel> as long as you don't edit anything else than remove the # in front, no
[10:02] <yofel> or open software properties with alt+f2 -> 'kdesudo software-properties-kde'
[10:02] <yofel> and go to the other software tab
[10:02] <steliosas> this seems easy
[10:05] <steliosas> done thanks
[10:06] <steliosas> guys I was wondering, will we ever see a skype version for linux in the next 20 years?
[10:07] <yofel> I believe what's in partner is the linux version
[10:07] <steliosas> that's why microsoft bought skype. For this sole purpose in order not to offer a linux version ever. They don't even care about skype allone as a program. It was pure strategy.
[10:08] <steliosas> yes but this skype is ancient.
[10:08] <steliosas> old interface that reminds me 1980's
[10:08] <Tm_T> all this is offtopic (:
[10:08] <steliosas> sorry
[10:13] <steliosas> guys is there any way to make my Lifecam VX 7000 work with Kubuntu in skype ?
[10:13] <steliosas> or is it completely unsupported and consequently useless ?
[10:13] <Tm_T> no idea about your camera, do it work with any other app?
[10:13] <OerHeks> test your webcam in cheese
[10:14] <steliosas> it doesn't work in chesse
[10:14] <Tm_T> perhaps your question isn't about skype at all then (:
[10:15] <steliosas> well the only program I wanted to use my camera for is solely on skype and skype alone.
[10:15] <Tm_T> sure, but it's not very good app for debugging these issues, I'd say
[10:16] <Tm_T> !webcam | steliosas
[10:16] <Tm_T> perhaps those helps
[10:17] <steliosas> do you suggest me using evoq of firefox ?
[10:17] <Tm_T> steliosas: what do you mean?
[10:18] <steliosas> browser options
[10:18] <hrobjartur> hello
[10:18] <steliosas> I understand that revoq came with kubuntu installed but as for firefox I had to install it myself
[10:18] <Tm_T> steliosas: you mean rekonq?
[10:18] <steliosas> oh yes that
[10:18] <hrobjartur> anybody running an amd phenom II x4 on their ubuntu 11?
[10:18] <Tm_T> use whatever suits your needs best
[10:19] <hrobjartur> ehm
[10:19] <steliosas> hrobjartur:  me
[10:19] <hrobjartur> other way around  anybody goa amd pheon II x4 with ubuntu 11
[10:19] <hrobjartur> steliosas:
[10:19] <hrobjartur> great
[10:19] <Tm_T> Ubuntu 11?
[10:19] <steliosas> 11.04
[10:19] <steliosas> kubuntu
[10:19] <hrobjartur> steliosas:  would you mind checking something out for me... Im running lm-sensors
[10:20] <hrobjartur> steliosas: to check my mb and cpu temperatures
[10:20] <steliosas> hrobjartur:  I am completely unknown with this ubuntu-kubuntu linux thing. I am very sorry. I am struggling to learn it and I am a beginner
[10:20] <hrobjartur> steliosas:  ok, I best not ask you to install lm-sensors
[10:20] <hrobjartur> Tm_T:  11.04
[10:21] <steliosas> sure
[10:21] <steliosas> I can't now sorry. I am strugling with this now nd I have 400 questions
[10:21] <Tm_T> hrobjartur: what is the problem? it's usually better tell the issue without asking "if anyone" kind of questions
[10:22] <hrobjartur> Tm_T:   well... lm-sensors package is my best/only shot at getting cpu temperatures on linux, right?
[10:22] <hrobjartur> Tm_T:  if so... even with the latest version of ubuntu... the lm-sensors package... and well the k10temp kernel module are together somehow not giving me sensible readings
[10:23] <hrobjartur> Tm_T:  here, http://pastebin.com/3A2QCytj
[10:23] <Tm_T> hrobjartur: without being able to test things myself, have you checked this page? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto
[10:23] <hrobjartur> Tm_T:  I don't have a windows license... and I also really dont care to install windows.
[10:24] <Tm_T> Windows is totally irrelevant on this conversation
[10:24] <hrobjartur> Tm_T:  yes these are the ubuntu instructions I followed
[10:24] <hrobjartur> Tm_T:  this guy, on this page... gets very nice highlights of which temp. reading is what... I dont get that
[10:25] <hrobjartur> Tm_T:  his cpu temperate is called CPU temp... I have no idea which one is mine...
[10:25] <hrobjartur> Tm_T:  I have Temp1  Temp2 Temp3
[10:25] <Tm_T> ah, I think there's no way I can help on that
[10:26] <hrobjartur> Tm_T:  btw... are all cpu's with so-called diode teperature sensors?
[10:26] <hrobjartur> Tm_T:  then my cpu temp is probably Temp2
[10:26] <steliosas> good news. My lifecam works with cheese.
[10:26] <hrobjartur> I really would have thought there would by now be much better support for cpu temperatures on linux
[10:27] <hrobjartur> I mean... most linux users put together their own systems, right?
[10:27] <hrobjartur> and want to know if their heatsink is working ok
[10:31] <Tm_T> hrobjartur: looks to me that it works just fine there, although possibly with wrong scale here and there
[10:31] <hrobjartur> Tm_T:  well,  the temp3 is wrong, just as in that tutorial... but cant think of any sensible scale for that... it aint Farenheit
[10:32] <hrobjartur> and it aint kelvin
[10:32] <hrobjartur> Tm_T: just plain wrong
[10:32] <Tm_T> that's not what I meant (:
[10:32] <hrobjartur> Tm_T:   also, it isnt working so fine... when sensors doesnt tell me which temp is what
[10:32] <hrobjartur> Tm_T: wron calibration I guess?
[10:33] <Tm_T> yes, using wrong factor
[10:33] <hrobjartur> Tm_T:  sorry I dont know how the sensor stuff works... didnt know that it has to calibrate anything... just thought it might ask the BIOS for some info.
[10:36] <mokush> any idea how I could configure unity-2d-launcher to properly work in kde?
[10:43] <OerHeks> mokush, unity & kde ? never heard of unity-2d-launcher in KDE.
[10:43] <mokush> OerHeks: well you can install unity-2d-launcher as standalone and run it
[10:44] <mokush> since there no other decent task manager as a plasmoid, I had to resort to this atrocity
[10:44] <Peace-> mokush: smoth-bar
[10:44] <Peace-> smooth-bar
[10:45] <mokush> smooth-bar?
[10:45] <mokush> Peace-: you mean, smooth-tasks?
[10:47] <Peace-> i guess yes
[10:47] <Peace-> i don't remember well the name
[10:48] <mokush> Peace-: well smooth-tasks is my best bet, but because of the funky behaviour of the kde `launchers` it's not very friendly
[10:48] <Peace-> yes you right this one http://wstaw.org/m/2011/07/20/plasma-desktopQW1407.jpg
[10:49] <mokush> Peace-: isn't that the default task manager? in the screenshot?
[10:49] <Peace-> yep this is alpha2 11.10
[10:49] <Peace-> so smooth-task has some problem right now
[10:49] <Peace-> so i didn't installed it
[10:50] <Peace-> instal
[10:50] <Peace-> -.-
[10:51] <mokush> Peace-: well I compiled smooth-tasks from source, and it does what it's supposed to
[10:52] <mokush> Peace-: but because it uses the standard launchers from libtaskmanager, the launchers are always moving around when closing and starting apps. and that's absolutely horrible
[10:53] <Peace-> i think it's ok
[10:56] <mokush> Peace-: well if the launchers would stay in the same place at all times, it would be great
[10:56] <Peace-> i guess you can configure that
[10:56] <Peace->  am sorry but right now i can 't test
[10:56] <mokush> Peace-: where?
[10:57] <Peace-> right click on the smooth atsk ?
[10:57] <Peace-> task
[11:14] <sandeep_> HELLO
[11:15] <sandeep_> ANDI
[11:16] <sandeep_> any body help me?
[11:16] <sandeep_> how can i use google talk in kubuntu?
[11:17] <mokush> sandeep_: you can use Kopete
[11:17] <Peace-> sandeep_: the browser ?
[11:17] <sandeep_> but thers no option for google, yahoo is there
[11:17] <mokush> sandeep_: http://www.google.com/support/talk/bin/answer.py?answer=57557
[11:17] <sandeep_> i need a seperate chat software
[11:18] <mokush> sandeep_: you can also use Pidgin
[11:18] <sandeep_> i just installed google talk using wine, but font is not shown,
[11:19] <sandeep_> where can i get pidgin
[11:19] <mokush> sandeep_: use packagekit
[11:20] <sandeep_> ok,let me try. another prob is i have to use mobile modem thru bluetooth how?
[11:21] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[11:45] <sandeep_> please help me to use mobile phone as modem via bluetooth
[11:47] <sandeep_> please help me to use mobile phone as modem via bluetooth
[11:48] <sandeep_> please help me to use mobile phone as modem via bluetooth
[11:49] <sandeep_> please help me to use mobile phone as modem via bluetooth
[11:49] <OerHeks> sandeep_, maybe this page is any help https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothDialup
[11:49] <sandeep_> thnanx
[12:42] <BarkingFish> Good afternoon :)  And believe me, it is!
[12:42] <BarkingFish> With a clear head after a good nights sleep, I've managed to install and get my USB wifi stick working in just 9 minutes, as opposed to $deity only knows how long it took last night.
[12:43] <BluesKaj> Good Morning , BarkingFish
[12:43] <BarkingFish> I figured out afterwards what I'd done wrong, and how to fix it.
[12:43] <BarkingFish> hi BluesKaj
[12:44] <BluesKaj> most common wifi chips work , from the start up
[12:45] <BarkingFish> I reinstalled Kubuntu this morning, sorta starting from clean.  Got the install done, and added ndiswrapper-common & utils, bought up the built in wifi and installed ndisgtk, loaded the two ndiswrapper drivers i needed, *then* plugged in the hardware.
[12:45] <BarkingFish> yeah, this is common, but it needs to run with ndiswrapper - it does have native support apparently, but it's unstable
[12:45] <BluesKaj> which c hip ?
[12:46] <BarkingFish> Its a Siemens Gigaset USB 108, running on the Atheros AR5523 chipset
[12:47] <BluesKaj> atheros and bcm are the most common , yeah
[12:47] <BarkingFish> I see a lot of people on the net having trouble with it, which I was, until I figured to try installing the bits and bobs it needed first, and then attaching it. It just popped up in networkmanager and started scanning.
[12:48] <BarkingFish> That officially makes kubuntu easier to use than Mandriva!
[12:49] <BarkingFish> It took me 4 weeks to get that working on there, here it's taken 11 hours.
[12:49] <BarkingFish> and a snooze :)
[12:50] <BluesKaj> I tried ndiswrapper at first with belkin usb rt2870, and worked ok ,then wicd worked better , now on 11.04 it doesn't work with any configuration that I've tried
[12:52] <jonathon_> Anyone got the link to fix the headphone port for laptops?
[12:52] <BluesKaj> so I just switched back to ethernet ...
[12:52] <BarkingFish> BluesKaj, unfortunately I don't have that option.  The estate I live on isn't cabled, so our networking is provided by a public beacon network.
[12:53] <BarkingFish> It's wifi or nothing round here :)
[12:54] <BarkingFish> brb
[12:54] <BluesKaj> jonathon_, open alamixer in the terminal and make sure the hp ctrl is active...also if you're running pulseaudio , there some other options to consider
[12:55] <jonathon_> Did that already
[12:56] <jonathon_> There was an article somewhere that had something you typed in the Konsole that changed something, I used that once before and it worked, but I can'
[12:56] <jonathon_> t find it again
[12:56] <szal> BarkingFish: did you try the native driver?
[13:00] <BluesKaj> jonathon_, the konsole commands can change lots of things ... try this , alsamixer -V all
[13:01] <jonathon_> Has nothing to do with Alsamixer
[13:02] <BluesKaj> what kind of hp connection , normal miniplug type or usb ?
[13:02] <jonathon_> Normal
[13:05] <BluesKaj> asked if you have pulsaudio installed
[13:05] <jonathon_> I don't
[13:08] <BarkingFish> szal: As I said, i was told the native driver was unstable, so rather than risk it, I went with ndiswrapper
[13:09] <BarkingFish> I think it was dr_willis in #ubuntu who told me that.
[13:09] <BluesKaj> jonathon_, if you're not willing to try to set up alsamixer , then I can't help you
[13:09] <Kaleidoscope> Alsamixer is set up perfectly, So it has nothing to do with that, But thanks anyways
[13:09] <BluesKaj> maybe some one else can
[13:10] <szal> BarkingFish: well, my take is, you installed freshly anyway, so it wouldn't have hurt to try before going to ndiswrapper again :)
[13:11] <BarkingFish> It was a case I think, that I was tired, not thinking straight last night.  it was gone midnight before I got working and I should have slept on it
[13:11] <szal> BarkingFish: perhaps you can free up some disk space for a test installation & try that, so you wouldn't lose a working approach you already have
[13:11] <BluesKaj> Kaleidoscope, if alsamixer was perfectly setup , then your hps would be working
[13:12] <BarkingFish> I have a 500gb external disk, I could probably put an install on there
[13:12] <Kaleidoscope> Maybe so, But there's nothing more to do with Alsa atm
[13:13] <BluesKaj> Kaleidoscope, so what do you expect to do ?
[13:13] <Kaleidoscope> Actually I managed to find that one article I found before
[13:14] <Kaleidoscope> Here it is, for future reference https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure
[13:14] <BluesKaj> Kaleidoscope,  a good practice is to keep a small reference text file with relavent commands , it helps a lot
[13:15] <Kaleidoscope> Yea, I should probably start doin that =P
[13:16] <BluesKaj> err nothing to do with alsamixer eh ? that article has nothing in it but alsa-base and alsa-utils
[13:17] <Kaleidoscope> So I noticed
[13:17] <BluesKaj> which is aslamixer  :)
[13:17] <Kaleidoscope> But It's that LONG Command in step 4 that made it work last time
[13:17] <BluesKaj> good reference tho
[13:17] <Kaleidoscope> Hopefully it works again flawlessly
[13:18] <Kaleidoscope> Ok, back in a few, Restartin
[13:20] <BluesKaj> it takes out pulseaudio and basically reinstalls the alsa drivers , alsa-base and alsa-utils ..probly a refresh which resets the config files for the present state ...not a bad idea actually
[13:22] <Kaleidoscope> Woohoo, Works beautifully now ^^
[13:23] <BluesKaj> Kaleidoscope, I'll repeat what I said ,it takes out pulseaudio and basically reinstalls the alsa drivers , alsa-base and alsa-utils ..probly a refresh which resets the config files for the present state ...not a bad idea actually
[13:23] <amittal> thoo
[13:23] <Kaleidoscope> Well whatever it does, it gets the job done ^^
[13:24] <amittal> j
[13:24]  * BluesKaj wonders why updates/upgrades don't refresh the alsa state ...I'll have to keep this in mind
[13:27] <Kaleidoscope> Well I'm off for now, Laters all
[14:03] <jimmy51_> hello, when upgrading to 11.04 from 10.10 i received an error that it could not install initramfs-tools and exited with status 1.
[14:03] <jimmy51_> is there a command i can run to have retry the upgrade but that won't need to re download all of the packages?
[14:03] <jimmy51_> that took 6 hours yesterday and I'm hoping to not have to redo it all!
[14:05] <OerHeks> jimmy51_, are you sure you have enough diskspace ?
[14:06] <jimmy51_> OerHeks: i have 158GB free
[14:07] <OerHeks> oke, i had not, when this error occured.
[14:09] <BluesKaj> !bug/789722
[14:09] <BluesKaj> !bug 789722
[14:10] <OerHeks> jimmy51_, maybe the 2nd part helps >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8975428&postcount=7
[14:11] <OerHeks> thnx BluesKaj, i hope the -force will do
[14:11] <BluesKaj> yeah OerHeks let's hope those force depends does the trick
[14:12] <jimmy51_> hmm... it doesn't look happy with that comand
[14:13] <jimmy51_> http://pastebin.com/qXERB5MD
[14:13] <BluesKaj> jimmy51_, you on VB ?
[14:14] <jimmy51_> BluesKaj: no, this is my host.  i run virtualbox so I can have some Windows VM's when needed
[14:16] <OerHeks> jimmy51_, did you add  a PPA for VirtualBox ?
[14:17] <jimmy51_> OerHeks: i think i did a long time ago, but the upgrade wizard told me it was going to disable 3rd party sources.  i can check to see if it's enabled.
[14:17] <OerHeks> or installed virualbox from the site directly ?
[14:18] <jimmy51_>  OerHeks: it's commented out.  i used the repo to install it.
[14:18] <jimmy51_> OerHeks: should i re-enable it?
[14:19] <OerHeks> i'm not sure if that could solve this issue, try it
[14:21] <BluesKaj>  error in Version string '3.0.12-54655_Ubuntu_karmic': invalid character in revision number , then , dpkg: warning: downgrading initramfs-tools from 0.98.8ubuntu3.1 to 0.98.1ubuntu6.1. ..that looks like the problem
[14:22] <jimmy51_> BluesKaj: what would cause that?  (and how do i fix it?)
[14:22] <BluesKaj>  Version string '3.0.12-54655_Ubuntu_karmic?
[14:22] <dnivra> hello. I have a socks proxy setup on localhost. How do I ask a terminal to use the proxy?
[14:23] <BluesKaj> do you have abackport enabled that contains karmic packages ?
[14:23] <BluesKaj> jimmy51_, ^
[14:25] <jimmy51_> BluesKaj: http://pastebin.com/tUJnXrG8  I just added the vbox natty one
[14:27] <BluesKaj> yeah, but are they installed .. the karmic packages that is ...the repos is commented so it doesn't affect anything but the installed packages will
[14:28] <jimmy51_> BluesKaj: interesting... does the upgrade not know to upgrade those packages?
[14:29] <BluesKaj> 'the pakages can't upgrade by skipping over required dependencies that don't fit them
[14:30] <BluesKaj> they are supposed to upgrade in some cases others not it seems
[14:31] <jimmy51_> hmm... so what's the answer?  remove the initramfs package?
[14:32] <BluesKaj> but this is getting beyond my knowledge , so I dunno what 's next
[14:32] <BluesKaj> OerHeks, any ideas ?
[14:34] <OerHeks> nope, but i still think Vbox caused it.
[14:35] <BluesKaj> James147, are you available ?
[14:35] <James147> BluesKaj: for what?
[14:37] <BluesKaj> James147, any ideas about this bug https://launchpad.net/bugs/789722
[14:39] <James147> BluesKaj: not sure
[14:40] <BluesKaj> ok James147 . thanks for checking anyway
[14:41] <BluesKaj> jimmy51_, I'm not soliciting for help here , but the knowledgeable guys at #ubuntu are more numerous than here.
[14:42] <jimmy51_> ok.. i'll ask in there and see if anyone can help.  it looks like (according to google) it's not kubuntu specific and hits ubuntu users too
[14:44] <BluesKaj> jimmy51_, yup, nothing to do with desktops
[14:50] <jimmy51_> they seem too busy.  i just tried to remove the initramfs-tools package but that didn't work either.
[14:51] <jimmy51_> BluesKaj: http://pastebin.com/zm0rUc7Z  is that helpful, or is this just another symptom
[14:51] <jimmy51_> ?
[14:51] <BluesKaj> .jimm that's a required package
[14:53] <BluesKaj> jimmy51_, can get to grub ?  ..hold the shift key down right after the bios scrn til the grub menu appears
[14:55] <jimmy51_> i could do that.  what would i do then?
[14:57] <BluesKaj> choose the recovery kernel , then when the dialog appears choose "repair broken packages" , then reboot
[14:57] <BluesKaj> it's worth a shot
[14:59] <jimmy51_> ah, ok.  i'll try that now.
[15:07] <jimmy51> BluesKaj: it booted to a grub shell SH:grub>.... no options or anything.
[15:07] <jimmy51> BluesKaj: this isn't looking good :(
[15:15] <Peace-> BluesKaj:  mmm broken packages xD 11.10
[15:45] <BluesKaj> jimmy51, one more thing to try , sudo dpkg --remove --force-depends initramfs-tools
[15:53] <BluesKaj> jimmy51, then sudo apt-get -f install
[15:59] <BarkingFish> Hi all :)
[16:00] <BarkingFish> In need of a wee bit of help, I'm trying to install flash player, and firefox is trying to use Apt-URL to open the link.  it's failing, saying "Unknown channel: "natty-partner".
[16:00] <BarkingFish> Is there something I need to add to the repositories I'm using to get that?
[16:03] <BarkingFish> nvm, found the answer :)
[16:04] <BarkingFish> sorry to have bothered you
[16:08] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[16:08] <BluesKaj> !kubuntu-restricted-extras
[16:10] <mokush> does anybody know a unity-dock look-alike for kde?
[16:10] <BluesKaj> cairo dock?
[16:12] <BarkingFish> thanks BluesKaj :)
[16:12] <IdleOne> Could someone tell me how I get the clock/calendar back in the bottom panel?
[16:15] <BluesKaj> IdleOne, right click on the desktop , add widgets and search for a digital clock
[16:16] <BarkingFish> IdleOne, Go to the bottom panel, right click and hover on panel options, then in the next menu select Add Widgets
[16:16] <BarkingFish> the digital clock widget is in there, double click on it, and then wherever it pops up, drag it into your system tray.
[16:17] <IdleOne> err, sometimes I amaze myself with my stupidity lol. thank you.
[16:18] <BarkingFish> surprisingly, if all goes well, it should actually pop up in your system tray :)
[16:18] <IdleOne> it did
[16:18] <BluesKaj> we all forget things , even simple stuff...I know I certainly do , at my age :)
[16:18] <BarkingFish> to prevent further loss, you might be wise to right click the panel, panel options and then click Lock Widgets
[16:18] <IdleOne> hehe already done
[16:18] <BarkingFish> :)
[16:19] <IdleOne> think my daughter was playing around and removed it
[16:19] <IdleOne> all good now.
[16:19] <BarkingFish> I can help with some stuff even as a kubuntu newbie, cause all I ever used was KDE :)
[16:20] <BarkingFish> Just make sure your daughter doesn't know where to find the lock widgets command, or you're really in trouble :P
[16:20] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish, not a gnome fan either eh ? :)
[16:20] <BarkingFish> no.
[16:20] <BarkingFish> The only place a gnome should be is sitting in a garden on a concrete mushroom :D
[16:20] <BarkingFish> not on a computer
[16:22] <BluesKaj> gnome was the first desktop I encountered on linux about 10yrs ago, almost turned me off trying to use ...thought it was some kind of cartoon OS :)
[16:22] <mokush> BluesKaj: I've tried both cairo dock and awn, and they both act crazy on kde
[16:22] <IdleOne> I was a Ubuntu user from the start but recently got discouraged with the switch to Unity and took the advice of a few friends and decided to give Kubuntu a fair shake,  30 full days of KDE. The 30 days isn't up yet but I am not switching back.
[16:22] <BluesKaj> mokush, sorry I'm not into gnome like apps on kde
[16:23] <BarkingFish> Well when I came onto Linux, before mandrake merged with Connectiva, it was a whole new world for me.  Windows was playing hell with my pc, so I gave up on it.  I got a free linux disk with a magazine, Mandrake 9.2. I installed it and never went back.
[16:23] <BarkingFish> and the first environment I encountered was KDE.
[16:24] <IdleOne> BarkingFish: my first steps were with mandrake 9.something and it was a total disaster I didn't touch linux for another 3-4 years
[16:24] <BarkingFish> 0.o
[16:24] <mokush> BluesKaj: well I'm not either, that's why I'm asking
[16:24] <IdleOne> anyway this is offtopic
[16:24] <BarkingFish> yeah
[16:24] <IdleOne> :-)
[16:25] <mokush> I'm looking for something like smoot-tasks but actualy working
[16:25] <BarkingFish> speaking of which, do we have an offtopic channel?
[16:25] <IdleOne> #kubuntu-offtopic
[16:25] <BluesKaj> I started with knoppix then debian , a few mandrakes, suse, fedoras later and i settled for kubuntu about 2005
[16:26] <BarkingFish> I tried FC3, and it was like trying to break into fort knox with a rubber mallet. Nothing would load or install, i almost thought the Feds had created it.
[16:32]  * szal thought he had settled on SUSE, but started to develop niggles w/ it, so started looking around again
[16:47] <gulzar> in ubuntu we have startupmanager to change the grub settings. How to do it in K-Ubuntu?
[16:48] <gulzar> ?
[16:53] <gulzar> in ubuntu we have startupmanager to change the grub settings. How to do it in K-Ubuntu? Startup-manager is not in the packagemanager and cannot be installed from commanline.
[16:54] <maco> cant be installed from commandline? now THAT doesn't make sense. unless you're missing a repository?
[16:54] <BluesKaj> !startup
[16:54] <maco> gulzar: do you have universe enabled?
[16:55] <gulzar> maco: I don't think so. I am with KDE first time...ummm wait
[16:55] <maco> startupmanager is in universe
[16:56] <BluesKaj> !startupmanager
[16:56] <maco> kpackagekit -> preferences ...i think
[16:56] <maco> should have checkboxes
[16:56] <maco> BluesKaj: i think you need an "info" there
[16:56] <BluesKaj> !info startupmanager
[16:56] <maco> but i just rmadison'd it
[16:56] <yofel> there's kde-config-grub2, although I never used it
[16:56] <yofel> !info kde-config-grub2
[16:57] <gulzar> maco: in origin of packages universe, restricted etc are enabled
[16:57] <BluesKaj> thanks yofel
[16:58] <gulzar> yofel: no its not there. I think i am missing something
[16:58] <yofel> It'll add grub2 bootloader settings to systemsettings -> startup and shutdown when installed
[16:58] <yofel> gulzar: which release are you using? and it's not installed by default
[16:58] <gulzar> yofel: 11.04
[16:58] <maco> gulzar: have you done apt-get update      since enabling universe?
[16:59] <yofel> then it'll be in kpackagekit as long as universe is enabled
[16:59] <gulzar> maco: no. Actually my boot menu screen shows out of range so  I wanted to fix it first. I am running to fast...
[17:00] <maco> gulzar: after enabling another repository, you have to fetch the list of whats in it ;)
[17:00] <gulzar> maco: update started
[17:00] <maco> kk
[17:00] <gulzar> maco: all the options were ticked by default
[17:00] <maco> but on a fresh install the only thing it knows about is the cd
[17:01] <gulzar> maco: apt-get update is finished... very fast
[17:01] <maco> apt-get update doesnt install updates, just refreshes the list of available software
[17:01] <gulzar> maco: I am missing something ...need to do some setting
[17:01] <yofel> missing what?
[17:01] <gulzar> maco: yup but the refresh is too fast
[17:01] <gulzar> yofel: most probably to nable some option
[17:01] <yofel> the refresh takes a few seconds at most if your connection is fast
[17:02] <gulzar> yofel: I am using my cell phone as modem
[17:03] <gulzar> yofel:maco: wait...I can install VLC . It is in other repository. If I install it then it waill autoatically enable the list as i did with UBUNTU..
[17:03] <maco> "too fast"?
[17:03] <maco> oh, well did you see the list of which repos it checked?
[17:03] <yofel> installing VLC won't enable any repositories, but if you can install VLC then you can install kde-config-grub2 too, they're from the same repository
[17:03] <maco> it does list them as it goes through
[17:05] <gulzar> maco:yofel: It is universe, multiverse, main
[17:06] <gulzar> maco:yofel: let us see....I have to bear with outo frange some more time... Have to wait for VLC to finish :)
[17:06] <yofel> looks about right, though restricted should be on too usually
[17:07] <gulzar> maco:yofel: restricted traslation are there
[17:07] <yofel> k
[17:08] <yofel> you'll need universe so it looks like you're fine
[17:08] <gulzar> maco:yofel: Ign http://security.ubuntu.com natty-security InRelease
[17:08] <gulzar> Ign http://in.archive.ubuntu.com natty InRelease
[17:08] <gulzar> Ign http://in.archive.ubuntu.com natty-updates InRelease
[17:08] <gulzar> Ign http://extras.ubuntu.com natty InRelease
[17:08] <gulzar> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com natty-security Release.gpg
[17:08] <gulzar> Hit http://in.archive.ubuntu.com natty Release.gpg
[17:08] <FloodBotK1> gulzar: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:09] <yofel> gulzar: use a pastebin please as FloodBotK1 says (once you're unmuted)
[17:11] <gulzar> http://paste.ubuntu.com/648404/
[17:11] <gulzar> yofel: can you read me?
[17:11] <yofel> yep
[17:12] <gulzar> yofel: Ok...pheww What this mute means? I know about blocking.
[17:12] <yofel> gulzar: you're not allowed to paste so much into the channel, so FloodBotK1 muted you so you don't flood the channel
[17:13] <gulzar> yofel: Ok
[17:13] <gulzar> yofel: Which OS are u using?
[17:13] <yofel> kubuntu, obviously
[17:14] <gulzar> yofel: nice. But me first time and that too for Python programming in Qt and for presentations.
[17:15] <gulzar> yofel: I have to quit. This IRC is slowing down the VLC installation. Thank you!
[17:15] <krayz> hi all, where can i get support when my grub bootloader doesn work after installing kubuntu?
[17:18] <Tm_T> how it doesnt work?
[17:19] <Tm_T> !grub | krayz see also this
[17:20] <krayz> well, I can boot to Kubuntu. But I have no menu... When I start my PC I first have a blue screen for 2 sec.onds and then it boots to Kubuntu...
[17:20] <krayz> I installed first windows7, afterwise I installed Kubuntu on another partition and I wanted to modify the menu.lst to make it multiboot... but nothing happens
[17:21] <krayz> I geuss that I am doing something wrong or the installation is not ok...
[17:21] <maco> does holding down shift during boot do anything?
[17:22] <krayz> I did not tried that...
[17:22] <krayz> should I get another menu with shift?
[17:23] <krayz> did not know that
[17:23] <BluesKaj> krayz, right after the bios scrn , hold the shift key til grub menu shows
[17:23] <krayz> ok... I am going to try know...
[17:23] <krayz> see ya later
[17:24] <BluesKaj> maco, there's an edit in default grub timeout to fix that , but I've forgotten which one ...the hidden or the one below it ?
[17:25] <maco> dunno
[17:26] <krayz> hi, back again... holding shift works!!
[17:27] <krayz> so why does grub boot kubuntu without menu when I do no hold shift?
[17:27] <yofel> krayz: good, now if you want to always see the menu, go to /etc/default/grub, and comment the HIDDEN entries out
[17:28] <yofel> run sudo update-grub after than and you'll see the menu on next boot
[17:29] <krayz> /etc/default/grub ... doesn exists here
[17:30] <krayz> no such map is what i get told in my terminal
[17:30] <krayz> or do you mean the grub.cfg?
[17:31] <yofel> no, /etc/default/grub, /boot/grub/grub.cfg is auto-generated
[17:31] <krayz> or in the menu.lst?
[17:31] <yofel> and grub2 doesn't use menu.lst
[17:32] <krayz> krayz@KrayZ-Linux:/$ ls /etc/default
[17:32] <krayz> acpid         apport        brltty         cryptdisks  devpts  irqbalance        kerneloops  nss         rcS      saned  useradd
[17:32] <krayz> acpi-support  avahi-daemon  console-setup  cups        grub    kdm.d             keyboard    ntpdate     rsync    tmpfs
[17:32] <krayz> alsa          bootlogd      cron           dbus        halt    kernel-helper-rc  locale      pulseaudio  rsyslog  ufw
[17:32] <FloodBotK1> krayz: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:33] <yofel> see, the grub  file is there, and please use a pastebin for pasting multiple lines
[17:33] <BluesKaj> krayz, alt+f2 /etc/default/grub
[17:33] <krayz> wait... my fault .. i should edit the file .. i thought it should be a map ... excuse me
[17:33] <yofel> alt+f2, kdesudo kate /etc/default/grub rather
[17:34] <krayz> pls do not hit me
[17:34] <yofel> don't worry, no reason to ^^
[17:34] <krayz> ;)
[17:35] <krayz> so if i want to add windows  7 to my grub list i should do it there and not in menu.lst?
[17:35] <BluesKaj> yofel, right...need permission to edit ... duh!
[17:36] <yofel> no, edit the file, run update-grub and os-prober _should_ find win7 by itself
[17:36] <BluesKaj> menu.lst doesn't exist in grub 2
[17:37] <skreech_> hi BarkingFish
[17:38] <BarkingFish> hi Daskreech
[17:38] <krayz> yofel ... os-prober?
[17:39] <yofel> a script used by update-grub, don't worry about the details
[17:39] <gulzar> I just used Gwenview. Its awesome. This is what I was looking in Gnome but finally got it in KDE. One more reason to love KDE.
[17:39] <yofel> :D
[17:39] <BluesKaj> yofel,  just os-prober , will find the windows install ?
[17:40] <gulzar> yofel:after installing VLC I can install startup-manager.
[17:40] <krayz> how to run it? because os-prober itself : sudo: os-proper: command not found
[17:40] <yofel> I know it's the job of os-prober to find other installed OSs, but don't ask me how it does it
[17:40] <yofel> krayz: YOU don't run that
[17:40] <krayz> ah ok ... itś a function from grub
[17:40] <yofel> krayz: you run: sudo update-grub
[17:41] <krayz> i did ... then i will try know... see ya soon
[17:41] <yofel> wait
[17:41] <yofel> gone..
[17:41] <gulzar> yofel: are you an operator?
[17:41] <yofel> chan op? no
[17:42] <gulzar> yofel: ok
[17:43] <krayz> hi, still no boot menu... geuss i commented out not the right lines...
[17:43] <yofel> here I commented out:
[17:43] <yofel> #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
[17:43] <yofel> #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=true
[17:43] <FloodBotK1> yofel: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:44] <krayz> i did the same
[17:44] <yofel> and you ran update-grub?
[17:44] <krayz> could the line GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" be an issue
[17:44] <yofel> nope
[17:44] <BarkingFish> evening all :)
[17:44] <krayz> yes i did, it says to succesful updated
[17:45] <BarkingFish> I have a major problem here, unfortunately I have no idea how to fix it.  I wanted to remove pulseaudio in favor of an alsa only config on my laptop, and followed the instructions on this link: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure
[17:45] <BarkingFish> I had sound when I started, i now have nothing. Not even so much as a bleep out of this thing.
[17:46] <BarkingFish> can anyone advise me on how to get the sound back up and working please?
[17:46] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish, did yoset the alsacontrols in alsamixer in the terminal ?
[17:46] <BarkingFish> yes
[17:46] <krayz> yofel, could it be a problem that I did reinstall after the kubuntu installion? ( i thought first there was something wrong with grub)
[17:47] <krayz> i mean reinstall grub
[17:47] <yofel> nah, shouldn't be...
[17:47] <BarkingFish> and to my discredit I got a whole load of gnome stuff when I followed the instructions, which i really didn't want
[17:47] <krayz> i did reinstall with cmd: sudo apt-get install grub
[17:48] <yofel> aaah
[17:48] <yofel> *that*'s grub1
[17:48] <krayz> is that my problem now?
[17:48] <yofel> well not sure, I don't know what the postinstall script do and whether they actually install grub into the MBR
[17:48] <krayz> so i should reinstall kubuntu (as it just installed and not modified yet) and try your steps again?
[17:48] <yofel> *does
[17:49] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish, did you run the natty commands , if so , try the lucid one , it works best for some reson
[17:49] <krayz> it would be the best I geuss
[17:49] <BluesKaj> reason
[17:49] <yofel> krayz: no, you could purge grub, make sure grub-pc is installed and run grub-install then
[17:49] <BarkingFish> Well yes, I ran the natty commands because I'm on natty :)  I wasn't expecting to run the ones for a different version!
[17:50] <krayz> how to make sure... where to check (i am new to kubuntu so sorry for my noobish questions)
[17:50] <BarkingFish> either way, for now, I want to skip the fiddly stuff and just get my sound back up if that's ok. Not being funny, I just want bits working for now. I'll fiddle when I know more about what I'm fiddling with :)
[17:51] <yofel> krayz: 'sudo apt-get purge grub', 'sudo apt-get install grub-pc'
[17:51] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish, sorry I realized after you left  the natty command is flawed ...ther's an issue there...dunno if it's on launchpad yet
[17:52] <yofel> after that run 'sudo grub-install /dev/sda' (if you want grub to be in the MBR of your first HDD)
[17:55] <krayz> yofel, ok ... all your steps done... modified the /etc/default/grub and i did run update-grub... so i will reboot know and see what happens... see ya soon
[17:58] <krayz> Yofel, hi , yes the pc boots now with grub menu but still without windows 7 as an option
[17:58] <yofel> ok.. is windows listed when you run update-grub? (i guess no)
[18:01] <krayz> yofel, i did run it again. Indeed, it is not listed. Just the linux image, the initrd image and the memtest
[18:01] <yofel> hm, any output when you run 'sudo os-prober' ?
[18:01] <krayz> so the os-prober does not find it
[18:01] <krayz> no
[18:01] <yofel> ok...
[18:01] <krayz> i does run but no output
[18:01] <yofel> where's linux and where windows in the partition layout?
[18:03] <Linkmaster> where are the desktop images located in 11.04? I know that in 10.10, I could go to .kde->share->wallpapers  I believe was the route, but I'm not finding anything similar in a fresh install of natty
[18:03] <krayz> got 2 harddrives, kubuntu is on the first partition of my first harddrive (got 2 partitions) on hardrive 2 is windows 7 installed
[18:04] <yofel> Linkmaster: the default ones are in /usr/share/wallpapers, .kde are local ones
[18:04] <krayz> so sda1 is kubuntu and sdb1 is win7
[18:04] <yofel> k, give me a minute
[18:04] <shane2peru> gimp don't work???
[18:05] <shane2peru> (gimp:19687): GLib-WARNING **: /build/buildd/glib2.0-2.28.6/./glib/goption.c:2132: ignoring no-arg, optional-arg or filename flags (8) on option of type 0
[18:05] <shane2peru> Segmentation fault
[18:05] <Linkmaster> yofel: I was looking in .kde, and couldn't find anything about wallpapers, but thanks for telling me the location of the default ones[is now going to remove them, I didn't like most of them too much]
[18:05] <yofel> shane2peru: go to system settings, application appearance, gtk appearance, change theme to something else than oxygen-gtk, apply, start gimp, set setting back to oxygen-gtk
[18:06] <shane2peru> yofel: you da man!   Thanks
[18:06] <krayz> idd, yofel is very kind to help us all ;) I appreciate that
[18:06] <jimmy51> BluesKaj: i think i tried that first...
[18:07] <jimmy51> BluesKaj: now i'm at a failed boot prompt  sh:grub>.
[18:07] <shane2peru> yofel: I take it you are familiar with that problem?  that was really odd.
[18:08] <yofel> shane2peru: yep, it's a known crash with oxygen-gtk and the first run of gimp, once gimp started fine once you can use oxygen-gtk again
[18:08] <BluesKaj> jimmy51,   sudo dpkg --remove --force-depends initramfs-tools ?
[18:08] <krayz_> yofel, oeps, i reconnected ... did you post something in the meanwhile?
[18:08] <yofel> krayz_: nope, sec
[18:09] <krayz_> ah then i am a lucky bastard
[18:09] <krayz_> ;)
[18:09] <shane2peru> yofel: well, I appreciate the info, I didn't know that, and it threw me for a loop.
[18:09] <yofel> krayz_: ok, here's the grub.cfg entry from my desktop http://paste.kde.org/99115
[18:09] <yofel> krayz_: change the UUID after --set=root <UUID> to the one you get from 'sudo blkid'
[18:10] <yofel> and then add that entry to /etc/grub.d/40_custom
[18:10] <jimmy51> BluesKaj: yeah, the other guy who was helping sent me a post with that in it
[18:10] <jimmy51> can i run that within the grub shell?
[18:10] <yofel> ah, and the set root='(... line needs adjusting too
[18:11] <jimmy51> BluesKaj: I think I'll have to boot to the livecd and chroot, right?
[18:11] <yofel> jimmy51: wait, how did you end up in the grub shell?
[18:12] <jimmy51> yofel: my 10.10 to 11.04 upgrade failed with an error installing initramfs-tools.  i tried a few suggestions to fix it, the last one was to reboot and try recovery option in grub menu.
[18:13] <jimmy51> yofel: unfortunately it doesn't even get to the menu
[18:13] <jimmy51> yofel: just drops to grub shell immedidatly
[18:13] <jimmy51> *immediately
[18:13] <yofel> uh, ok, what happens if you do 'load normal' in the grub shell?
[18:13] <jimmy51> yofel: unknown command 'load'
[18:15] <yofel> ah wrong
[18:15] <yofel> insmod normal
[18:15] <yofel> then run normal
[18:15] <yofel> *then run 'normal'
[18:16] <jimmy51> unknown command 'normal'
[18:17] <jimmy51> yofel: I ran "insmod normal", which didn't return an error but following up with "normal" errored.
[18:17] <yofel> if that happens even after insmod normal (without error), then you probably want to go to a live disk, chroot, and try to fix the install from there
[18:18] <jimmy51> yofel: ok.  i'm having a co-worker burn it right now.  i'll boot to it shortley.
[18:20] <gulzar> I installed startupmaanger (gome application) so the download was big but now I removed it after the work is done. But there must be some unwanted packages left. How to remove them?
[18:20] <yofel> sudo apt-get autoremove should remove most, if not I'm not sure which ones you need to look for
[18:21] <gulzar> yofel: yup this was what I needed. 107MB removed....
[18:22] <jimmy51> yofel: ok.  i'll probably have to ask for chroot help once the cd is burned.
[18:23] <krayz> yofel, I geuss grub works ok now, I see win7 in the menu. But after selecting it I got the message, bootmgr is missing... so that is a windows issue...
[18:24] <krayz> I installed windows first, could it be that windows puts his bootmgr on sda1 because it is the first drive and grub did overwrite it? If yes i have to fix the windows bootmgr and put it to sdb1 right?
[18:32] <krayz> yofel, i reboot ... trying something, just read in the net something about windows7 putting his bootmgr on another partition then itself... so i pointed root in grub to another location... trying trying this
[18:32] <jimm51_> yofel: ok, i'm chroot'd in.  what do i need to run again? (this crappy windows IRC client crashed on me)
[18:33] <yofel> jimmy51: well, start with 'dpkg --configure -a'
[18:35] <jimm51_> yofel: that spit a lot of problems... cannot create /dev/null: permission denied and error processing initramfs-tools
[18:35] <layan> hola
[18:35] <layan> alguno sabe hablar español?
[18:35] <Pici> !es | layan
[18:35] <krayz> yofel, did not work :(...
[18:35] <yofel> jimmy51: is /dev, /sys and /proc bind-mounted?
[18:35] <layan> speak spanish?
[18:36] <krayz> yofel, I am worried for grub if I start windows repair for the tool fixboot. I have some strange feeling it will overwrite grub again .. and I will get stuck in a loop... any experience?
[18:37] <yofel> enough that I'm happy if windows an linux together on one system just work and I don't have to touch them -.-
[18:38] <jimm51_> yofel: ah, nope.  didn't do that.  I think have have notes on that in a file on my HDD.  i'll see if i can find it.
[18:38] <yofel> I have no idea what windows would do in this case to be honest
[18:38] <yofel> !grub2 | jimmy51
[18:38] <yofel> jimmy51: there's chroot instructions somewhere on the help page
[18:39] <yofel> just leave the part about grub away for now
[18:39] <krayz> ok yofel, thnx for help. If windows does something weird, now I know how to fix grub... your help is appreciated overhere...
[18:40] <krayz> keep up the good work guys !! (I am starting to love kubuntu, first always used Gentoo for my servers, starting to think about completly switching to ubuntu
[18:41] <BluesKaj> yofel, does os-prober  normally add a windows partition to grub if it's on the same hdd ?
[18:41] <jimm51_> yofel: ok, did the bind mounts.  re ran the command after chroot'ing again and still have errors processing initramfs-tools.  now should i do the remove?
[18:42] <yofel> it should add one if it's anywhere. See my entry. I have kubuntu on a dmraid setup and windows is on sdc1, works fine
[18:42] <jimm51_> yofel: http://pastebin.com/j6aNytmp  is the error
[18:44] <aguitel> i am trying to install kubuntu 11.04 ,but when the instalation advance it try to make update with servers and it never end ,anyway to install with no updates ?+
[18:44] <yofel> jimm51_: do you need lilo?
[18:44] <yofel> I would try to dpkg --pruge --force-depends lilo and see if it works then
[18:44] <jimm51_> yofel: i do not
[18:45] <jimm51_> yofel: i think i was experimenting with bootloaders on flash memory a long time ago.  removing.
[18:47] <jimm51_>  yofel: http://www.pastebin.com/uiSind3E  <- new result
[18:47] <jimm51_> !info utube
[18:48] <yofel> ok, now try apt-get install -f
[18:48] <jimm51_> yofel: built a dependency tree with no errors.  it has a long list of stuff i should autoremove.
[18:49] <yofel> you probably don't want that, does it want to install something?
[18:49] <jimm51_> yofel: http://pastebin.com/5Q5ZrxWb
[18:50] <yofel> hm, then try to dist-upgrade and install kubuntu-desktop
[18:52] <jimm51_> yofel: that tells me 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[18:53] <yofel> and dpkg --configure -a runs fine now? or still hangs on utube?
[18:54] <jimm51_> yofel: still hangs on utube.  what is utube?
[18:54] <jimm51_> !utube
[18:54] <yofel> not something from the archive it seems
[18:54] <jimm51_> can i remogve it?
[18:54] <yofel> probably
[18:54] <jimm51_> dpkg --purge --force-depends utube?
[18:55] <yofel> yes
[18:56] <jimm51_> yofel: ok, now dpkg configure a gives this:  http://pastebin.com/NAUPqghT
[18:56] <jimm51_> seems like virtualbox is screwed up.  i'm on 4.2, not 3.0
[18:56] <yofel> that should be non-fatal I think
[18:57] <yofel> try to install grub again and reboot
[18:57] <jimm51_> yofel: ah ha! purged vbox 3.0 and now dpkg --configure -a doesn't return anything
[18:57] <jimm51_> ok
[18:59] <szal> jimm51_: where did you get 4.2?
[18:59] <jimm51_> virtualbox's website
[18:59] <szal> jimm51_: when?
[18:59] <jimm51_> err, maybe 4.1
[18:59]  * szal has 4.0.12 from their pkg repo
[19:00] <jimm51_> szal: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads  <- 4.1 is newest
[19:05] <jimm51_> yofel: ok, i've hit a bug.  bug 703009
[19:05] <jimm51_> apparantely i can't install grub from outside and have to install from within my chroot.
[19:05] <jimm51_> (that's the workaround described in the bug)
[19:05] <jimm51_> from within the chroot, do i just run grub-install /dev/sda ?
[19:05] <yofel> yep, should work
[19:06] <soee> hi guys, there wont be any KDE 4.7 rc for natty ? only final version ?
[19:07] <jimm51_> yofel: ok.  trying it and rebooting!  i hope this works.  Thanks for the help, by the way.
[19:07] <yofel> you're welcome
[19:07] <vikapi> usually when does kubuntu 12.04 work starts???is it immediately after kubuntu 11.10??
[19:07] <yofel> vikapi: yes
[19:08] <jimm51_> bad day... kubuntu upgrade died and my office doorknob mechanism broke, leaving me locked out until a guy could come drill the knob out.
[19:08] <BluesKaj> soee, porbly not til you install oneiric
[19:08] <vikapi> and is it considered tat all x.04 is stable and x.10 is a bit unstable??
[19:08] <yofel> soee: probably, we didn't even get rc1 completely into oneiric yet
[19:08] <soee> BluesKaj, did you tested current Oneiric version ?
[19:09] <yofel> vikapi: no, 10.04, 12.04, ... are LTS, the others aren't, other than that they should work the same
[19:09] <soee> yofel, there are more problems with 4.7 ?
[19:10] <BluesKaj> soee, yes , ...it's no working with my nvidia driver amongst other things , but yofel knows more about oneiric than me
[19:10] <jimm51_> yofel: ok, i've booted!  that's a good step.  now can i test to see if initramfs installed properly?
[19:10] <yofel> jimm51_: if kubuntu-desktop is installed it'll be find
[19:10] <yofel> *fine
[19:10] <vikapi> LTS is becoz they are stable compared to x.10 correct?will any1 give LTS for unstable product??
[19:10] <soee> BluesKaj, well its to early to use oneiric i think, i need to my machine to work without any problems as now on 11.04
[19:11] <yofel> soee: tell the KDE folks to get their software licensing right *-.-, other than that not really
[19:11] <yofel> 4.7 final should be easy
[19:11] <soee> :)
[19:11] <BluesKaj> soee, yes , I reverted to natty after my probs
[19:12] <szal> yofel: what's wrong w/ KDE licensing?
[19:13] <yofel> szal: in the new split packages we had to add the full license copies to almost all packages because everyone forgot about that, and for kate once file had no license it was under.
[19:13] <yofel> s/once/one
[19:14] <vikapi> i was wonderin, why k/ubuntu give LTS only for x.04 and not for x.10..their release time being same (6 months), why they not givin LTS for x.10 also..
[19:15] <yofel> vikapi: LTS means Long term support, the developers don't have the resources to give all releases support for that time span
[19:16] <vikapi> yofel: hmm..i didn think tat way.. :)
[19:17] <jimm51_> yofel, BluesKaj: you guys are great.
[19:17] <BarkingFish> BluesKaj, I got my sound back :)
[19:17] <BarkingFish> I did what you suggested, the --reinstall of alsa-base and alsa-utils, and it's up.
[19:17] <jimm51_> i'm runnin 11.04 now, updated virtual box and the extension pack, and so far all looks well.
[19:18] <jimm51_> i hope the 11.11 upgrade goes better :)
[19:19] <yofel> blame lilo :P
[19:19] <jimm51_> yofel: is that what caused it?
[19:19] <yofel> would probably warrant a bug report actually
[19:19] <yofel> jimm51_: it was the lilo script that failed
[19:19] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish, good to hear ...how did you manage ?
[19:20] <BarkingFish> simply reinstalled the two progs, rebooted and it popped up when I restarted
[19:20] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish, alsa-base and utils ?
[19:20] <BarkingFish> yeah
[19:22] <BarkingFish> I meant to ask something earlier.  Using apt-get install on the command line is a bit long winded for me, I like it fast and I like it yesterday :)  Is there any way I can "make" an alias of some kind which would run those commands?
[19:22] <tamran> hi all, I'm curious if I've got a vanilla Ubuntu 11.04 install and I want to run (and test) KDE ... will it be a gigantic mess without removing gnome and unity components?
[19:22] <BarkingFish> For example, instead of typing sudo apt-get install (whatever), that I could type sage -i and then the prog name?
[19:22] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish, yes , in ~/.bashrc
[19:23] <jimm51_> BarkingFish: you could write a bash script that takes an argument for a package name and just calls it
[19:23]  * jimm51_ just noticed he spelled jimmy wrong
[19:23] <tamran> also, I'm curious if I was to replace GDM with KDM, but decided to run gnome ... would that be a mess?
[19:24] <tamran> I'm trying to avoid a situation where too many competing services start up when the computer boots ... which would bog everything down
[19:24] <BarkingFish> BluesKaj, Ok, I'd have to do a little research on that to find out how to work on it, since I don't do a lot of bash stuff.
[19:25] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish, http://paste.ubuntu.com/648505/   ...this is my version
[19:25] <BarkingFish> But I think that would be a good short command for apt-get, rpm packages have urpmi, we could have sage :)
[19:25] <BluesKaj> just add the aliases,, no need for a script
[19:26] <BluesKaj> I usein for installl an re for remove etc ...you'll see
[19:26] <BarkingFish> that looks good. could I use the - sign in the aliases? like sage -i for the install command, without messing up the rc?
[19:27] <BarkingFish> one thing, BluesKaj - in PM
[19:28] <asfyxia> tamran, are you trying to run KDE with GDM?
[19:30] <tamran> asfyxia: I'd prefer to run KDM actually, and I would switch between unity/gnome (girlfriend) and KDE (me)
[19:31] <John___> hello
[19:31] <jimm51_> tamran: i suppose that's easier than finding a girlfriend that likes KDE :)
[19:31] <John___> Wait there are women who knows from PC?
[19:31] <jimm51_> yofel: is there a command i can run before any future updates to check the health of my package system before running the update?
[19:32] <John___> Guys i need some help with Ubuntu with KDE
[19:32] <tamran> jimm51_: lol
[19:32] <John___> i dont have Kubuntu but i though you could help me
[19:32] <asfyxia> tamran, in theory that is possible, you can switch between desktops. My experience however, is that you can best keep them apart as much as possible; that is, install Kubuntu and Ubuntu in dual-boot
[19:32] <maco> John___: thanks for the sexism duee
[19:32] <maco> *dude
[19:32] <John___> they told me from ubuntu to come here
[19:32] <tamran> John___: lol, I just asked a bunch of questions about KDE on vanilla ubuntu myself :)
[19:33]  * maco won't be helping
[19:33] <John___> XD maco i have never seen a woman using a computer
[19:33] <tamran> asfyxia: yeah, that is what I was worried about
[19:33] <maco> John___: blind?
[19:33] <yofel> jimm51_: not really, the package system is fine until you get errors. You can't really check if the upgrade works before you try it
[19:33] <asfyxia> tamran, I had my crashes *sigh*
[19:33] <tamran> asfyxia: good to know
[19:33] <yofel> jimm51_: although once btrfs isn't experimental anymore in a few years you'll at least be able to revert the upgrade attempt, but that's still future talk
[19:33] <tamran> that's a bummer
[19:34] <asfyxia> John__, what do you want to know?
[19:35] <John___> If it is posible to add launcher at the desktop layouts at KDE
[19:36] <John___> because i dont have it
[19:36] <John___> and i guess i have to install the whole shell with a lot of software wich i dont need
[19:36] <asfyxia> John__, yeah, that's possible
[19:36] <John___> Well is it possible without the unneeded software?
[19:37] <asfyxia> Click on the 'cashew', search for 'application launcher'
[19:38] <John___> what is cashew
[19:39] <yofel> that cashew-lookalike you see at the end of the panel when the widgets are unlocked
[19:39] <asfyxia> Ah, that is the bean-like (or cashew-nut like, if you wish) icon in the corner of your start screen
[19:40] <John___> Ok added
[19:40] <josue> hola, el canal de kubuntu en español cual es?
[19:40] <John___> actualy i did not mean that one
[19:40] <asfyxia> Josue, try kubuntu-es
[19:41] <John___> Anyway thanx :)
[19:41] <John___> And have a nice day
[20:04] <BluesKaj> time set up the BBQ ...too hot to cook indoors today ...AC is working ovetime as it is .
[20:04] <BluesKaj> BBL
[20:19] <BarkingFish> Would anyone know how to change the sound files on here, such as startup, logout, etc please? Looking on the net I can only find instruction for Ubuntu, and they don't match what I can do here.
[20:19] <BarkingFish> They say to use system/preferences/sounds - but I don't find that in my menu.
[20:21] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish, kmenu>apps>settings>system settings>multimedia>phonon
[20:22] <James147> BarkingFish: ^^ They are under notifications
[20:23] <BarkingFish> Ah, great :)
[20:23] <BarkingFish> it seems that everytime I google instructions for "kubuntu", i get instructions for ubuntu >:)
[20:23] <BluesKaj> oh , i thought were talking about the devices..missed startup part
[20:24] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish, yeah , that's apet peeve with most kubuntu users
[20:24] <James147> BarkingFish: allot of the time it makes little difference :) just the gui stuff that differs... so if searching for kubuntu fails try just looking for kde if its gui related
[20:26] <BarkingFish> James147, When you say they're under "notifications", where? In systemsettings?
[20:26] <James147> BarkingFish: System settings > application and system Notifications
[20:27] <BarkingFish> ok, thanks
[20:27] <James147> think its in the kde workspace category
[20:37] <delight>  /msg NickServ identify bingo
[20:37] <jimmy51_> up and running :)
[20:54] <jimmy51_> BluesKaj, yofel: again, thanks for all of the help.  have a nice evening, and if you're anywhere near me geographically, stay inside were there is air conditioning!
[20:54]  * jimmy51_ is heading out
[20:55]  * yofel has rain all day :/
[20:56] <BluesKaj> jimmy51_, yeah it 30C here and we the A/C on
[20:59] <BluesKaj> 30C= 86F for our amarican friends...probly hotter there tho
[21:00] <BluesKaj> err american
[21:08] <asfyxia> BluesKaj, where are you that it is 30C? *planning holiday*
[21:13] <BluesKaj> asfyxia, in Ontario Canada , near the North Channel of Lake Huron ...it's a tourist area as well as mining and forestry
[21:15] <OerHeks> oke, nobody will notice us then :-D
[21:25] <aguitel> i am trying to install kubuntu 11.04 ,but when the instalation advance it try to make update with servers and it never end ,anyway to install with no updates ?
[21:25] <szal> aguitel: grab the alternate CD, there you can skip that step
[21:26] <aguitel> szal, how to do in usb ?
[21:26] <aguitel> szal, command dd ?
[21:26] <James147> aguitel: there should be an option on the first screen (the one with the checks) to disable downloacing the updates
[21:27] <aguitel> James147, is not this option ,is when syncronice with servers
[21:29] <James147> aguitel: http://www.kubuntu.org/files/10.10-release-announce/ubiquity2.png ^^ that screen... think its the same for 11.04
[21:30] <aguitel> James147, ok
[21:31] <soee> whera are defined apps that are loaded on ystem start automaticly ?
[21:52] <SIR_Taco> hello
[22:00] <asfyxia> Sounds like fun, BluesKaj, maybe a nice mountainbiking area too. But ok, let's skip o
[22:00] <asfyxia> to serious matters
[22:00] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> anyone know how to find out wat kde version your running ?
[22:00] <asfyxia> *I hit the wrong button, sorry*
[22:01] <SIR_Taco> ]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR: pick a kde program (like konsole) and select "help->about kde"
[22:01] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> cheers
[22:01] <szal> or on the terminal: kwin --verison
[22:01] <szal> *version
[22:01] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> is 4.6.2 the latest kde :d
[22:02] <szal> and change that uber-1337 nick *eyecancer*..
[22:02] <SIR_Taco> ]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR: depends on what version of kubuntu you're running I suppose
[22:02] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> latest stable 11.04
[22:02] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> 64bit
[22:03] <SIR_Taco> ]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR: then yes I would say that's current.... there is teh 4.7rc out there, but not for 11.04 unless you specifically want it
[22:04] <szal> KDE Development Platform: 4.6.5 (4.6.5)
[22:04] <asfyxia> @UnterKiller (whatever): do you want the latest pre-alpha, or the last stable version?
[22:04] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> yeah i only really get stable software most of the time :P
[22:04] <SIR_Taco> ]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR: stable is what you want, unless you want to (possibly) lose files/settings/etc
[22:05] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> heh
[22:06] <SIR_Taco> the 4.7RC is still not completely done with the packaging (KDE changed the way they pacakge things.... which made the *buntu packagers have to change everything)
[22:07] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> hmmm do most of u use standard or LTS ?
[22:08] <SIR_Taco> ]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR: my laptop runs 11.04, my desktop (which if it breaks I don't care about) runs the latest alpha/beta release... so I'm on 11.10 right now
[22:08] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> sweet
[22:08] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> im just running 64bit desktop version
[22:11] <SIR_Taco> ]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR: if it works, stick with it
[22:11] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> yeah working good :D
[22:11] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> im more of a windows user :P but a mate got me onto gentoo ages ago then tried out ubuntu / kubuntu
[22:11] <SIR_Taco> unless you're feeling semi-crazy... stick with what you have until there's a new LTS
[22:12] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> yeah ive just got a wubi install inside of windows :P
[22:12] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> i have done a native install befor but this is the best for me atm
[22:13] <SIR_Taco> ]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR: that works then, you can break it as much as you'd like
[22:13] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> :D
[22:14] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> how much disk performance do u really lose using this wubi boot inside windows ?
[22:14] <SIR_Taco> ]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR: not sure entirely I haven't tried it
[22:14] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> hmm
[22:15] <SIR_Taco> I may be crazy, but I always thought that wubi ran in a VM? (someone want to correct me on that?) Which means you're losing resources ot the start
[22:16] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> dont think so ?
[22:16] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> its just like a duel boot inside windows
[22:16] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> diff kind of duel boot
[22:16] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> and just builds it inside a windows structure
[22:16] <James147> SIR_Taco: wubi is full install inside a file that is located in a windows parittion ^^
[22:16] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> ;)
[22:17] <James147> ^^ it jsut boots from the file rather then a partition
[22:17] <SIR_Taco> James147: ah, thanks for that
[22:17] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> its pretty cool if u want a easy cheap ubuntu install :P
[22:17] <SIR_Taco> James147: there must be downside though?
[22:18] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> u lose disk performance
[22:18] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> thats 1 :P
[22:18] <szal> of course, the downside is that Windows needs to be running..  or doesn't it?
[22:18] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> i even gamed through wine on a wubi install with css wasnt that bad
[22:18] <James147> SIR_Taco: it means you dont have full access to your disks from within kubuntu :) and makes it harder to revocer using a live cd
[22:18] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> nope
[22:18] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> windows doesnt need to be running
[22:19] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> why would u want to a recover a wubi install  ?
[22:19] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> :P
[22:19] <James147> szal: it dosnt need windows running... it just installed inside a file that is located inside windows and modifies windows boot loader to add an entry for booting form this file
[22:20] <SIR_Taco> with Wubi installed to a file, it makes me think it's like a VM... it's a file.... it changes size as appropriate
[22:20] <James147> szal: it is a fully fledged install otherwise... no vms or anything else running...
[22:20] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> all u do is download the cd iso and virtual cd and u ahve the option of wube install inside windows :D
[22:20] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> can only do it with the cd not the dvd thow
[22:21] <James147> ]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR: you can jsut dl the wubi installer and run that... no need to dl a cd
[22:21] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> umm
[22:21] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> i think i tried that awhile back with an older wubi loader it stuffed my partition
[22:21] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> i was trying to do something cant remember wat
[22:22] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> id just download the cd its much easier
[22:22] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> :P
[22:22] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> but yes i think u can use the wubi loader by itself to create a boot
[22:22] <SIR_Taco> sorry, I appologize, it's not a VM
[22:23] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> the only downside ive seen so far is u lose a slight bit of disk performance thats wat it says when u install
[22:23] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> :P
[22:24] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> i dont really have a spare drive to do a native install
[22:24] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> i could on my old systems but meh
[22:24] <SIR_Taco> but it's a Virtual Partition.... and you can argue that one up and down... but yes, disk performance is the problem
[22:24] <James147> you dont need a spare drive... yo can partition the one you have
[22:24] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> yeah i know
[22:24] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> im just leaving it as one drive
[22:25] <SIR_Taco> ]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR: if you have a spare drive, you may as well just install ig
[22:25] <SIR_Taco> it even
[22:25] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> yeah i dont have a spare drive :P
[22:25] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> built a new system last year
[22:25] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> only got one sata2 drive atm
[22:25] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> when i get an SSD sometime ill use this drive
[22:26] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> they have made something faster then ssd now
[22:26] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> like 100times faster
[22:26] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> ssd should become real cheap soon
[22:26] <SIR_Taco> yea, it's called RAM :P
[22:26] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> :P
[22:26] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> dunno wat it was called
[22:27] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> some new technology webpage
[22:27] <SIR_Taco> ]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR: yes I know, I read that too... but it should be a few years
[22:27] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> can print out your own solar panels now aswell with a computer printer
[22:27] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> :P
[22:27] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> im waiting for sandisk or verbatim to make ssd
[22:28] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> sick of all these big companies buying the tech up and charging heaps :D
[22:30] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> do any of u game on linux ?
[22:30] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> :P
[22:30] <James147> ]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR: loads :)
[22:30] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> id move over to linux if i could get games running as good as windows
[22:31] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> :P
[22:31] <SIR_Taco> me too
[22:31] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> i tried wine with a wubi install but thats dodge cause of disk performance
[22:31] <SIR_Taco> depends on the game I suppose
[22:31]  * James147 hasnt had a problem getting the games he wants to play to work under wine :d
[22:31] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> wasnt to bad thow running css from the windows drive on a wubi boot
[22:31] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> still played ok
[22:31] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> for a p4 AMD equiv pc
[22:32] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> can u play them fullscreen thow ?
[22:32] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> i see alot of people playing them in windows
[22:32] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> i also tried that play on linux program aswell not bad
[22:32] <SIR_Taco> which game?
[22:32] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> was some rally game some dude was playing
[22:33] <James147> ^^ should probally take this to #kubuntu-offtopic
[22:33] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> aww :(
[22:34] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> spose asking if anyones got an android is off topic aswell :P ?
[22:54] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[23:19]  * BarkingFish sighs and bangs his head on his desk
[23:19] <BarkingFish> Right, do we have a repository of old versions of packages please?
[23:20] <BarkingFish> I've just gone to install something on firefox, and been told it's not compatible - how can we have firefox 5, when the actual product itself is only on 4.something weird?
[23:20] <Hawkwind> What is the name of the package to install KDE on Ubuntu ?
[23:20] <James147> Hawkwind: kubuntu-desktop
[23:20] <Hawkwind> James147: That's it. Thanks!
[23:21] <James147> Hawkwind: ^^ at least thes kde + the kubuntu default programs
[23:21] <BarkingFish> Is there anyway at all that I can take firefox 5.0 off, and put 4.0 or 3.6.18 on please?
[23:22] <yofel> BarkingFish: you *can* add old releases to the sources and force a package downgrade, though it's not supported
[23:22] <yofel> but if you're on natty you can go back to 4.0
[23:23] <yofel> without adding any sources
[23:23] <BarkingFish> excellent. I don't mind it being not supported, as long as I can get this plugin working :)  I need a silverlight substitute called Moonlight.
[23:23] <yofel> just run 'sudo apt-get install firefox=4.0+nobinonly-0ubuntu3' and figure out if you need to downgrade anything else
[23:23] <BarkingFish> ok, great!
[23:24] <yofel> after that, you'll need to pin the package down or it'll get updated on the next update again
[23:24] <yofel> see http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-prevent-a-package-from-being-updated-in-ubuntu.html
[23:27] <yofel> they are in a release frenzy though... oneiric has firefox 6.0~b1
[23:28] <yofel> ~b2 actually
[23:29] <SIR_Taco> future-fox :)
[23:29] <BarkingFish> I think I've done this right, all i've done is sudo aptitude hold firefox
[23:29] <yofel> should work too
[23:30] <BarkingFish> best thing I can try now is to see if kpackagekit tries to update it
[23:30] <yofel> using an apt pin would be more robust, that's what I usually use at least
[23:30] <SIR_Taco> I'd lean more to using apt and blacklisting things in apt... than trusting packagekit
[23:31] <SIR_Taco> but, that's just me I guess :)
[23:31] <BarkingFish> well packagekit is trying to upgrade it, so I obviously have to do something better than I already have
[23:31] <BarkingFish> obviously the hold I've put on it isn't working
[23:32] <yofel> I haven't tried the dpkg --set-selections way yet, though I've seen people use it. For me apt pins work fine
[23:33] <BarkingFish> well it seems to suggest I can just use the name of the program, not the whole package name
[23:33] <BarkingFish> I don't understand why the hold hasn't taken
[23:35]  * yofel checks whether muon cares about aptitude holds
[23:35] <BarkingFish> I think it's sorted
[23:35] <BarkingFish> the dpkg hold has got it
[23:35] <BarkingFish> echo firefox hold | sudo dpkg --set-selections
[23:36] <SIR_Taco> nice
[23:36] <BarkingFish> kpackagekit isn't showing the update at all, so I assume that's done the job
[23:37] <SIR_Taco> BarkingFish: if you really want to know... open Konsole... and type 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[23:39] <BarkingFish> Job done :)
[23:39] <BarkingFish> The following packages have been kept back:
[23:39] <BarkingFish>   firefox
[23:39] <BarkingFish> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[23:39] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> how can i download this program mangler ? i tried the sudo apt command didnt work :(
[23:39] <FloodBotK1> BarkingFish: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:40] <BarkingFish> 3 lines is a flood???
[23:40] <BarkingFish> 0.o
[23:40] <BarkingFish> I wasn't gonna use a whole paste for 3 short lines of data.
[23:41] <SIR_Taco> ooooh, you flooded again... lol
[23:41] <SIR_Taco> glad it worked though
[23:41] <szal> ]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR: (1) what program mangler?  (2) "didnt work" is NOT an exact error message..  (3) change that silly-a** nick.. ;)
[23:41] <yofel> yep, flood is >= 3 lines
[23:42] <BarkingFish> yofel: that's a bit low, why waste a whole paste for 3 lines of data? :)
[23:42] <SIR_Taco> szal: lol
[23:42] <BarkingFish> If I'd put it all on one line, wouldn't've been a problem :)
[23:42] <yofel> I didn't write the bot, but yeah, 3 is a bit short :/
[23:42] <SIR_Taco> BarkingFish: that's what the paste.kde.org is for I suppose... but yes, it's iffy
[23:43] <BarkingFish> yofel, who runs the bot, maybe you could get them to up it in the code :)
[23:43] <yofel> too lazy for that :P
[23:43] <BarkingFish> I code the occasional bot parts myself, perlmods and stuff.
[23:43] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> my nick is fine :P
[23:44] <SIR_Taco> ]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR: haha ok, what's the problem though?
[23:45] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> trying to install a ventrillo replacement called wrangler
[23:45] <Kaleidoscope> How would I go about installing something that doesn't exist in the Package Manager
[23:45] <yofel> ]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR: a) from where, b) how
[23:46] <BarkingFish> Kaleidoscope, What are you trying to install and where from?
[23:46] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> just getting the link
[23:46] <Kaleidoscope> It's the Mantra web browser, It's basically a modded Firefox. www.getmantra.com   This is the DL for it
[23:46] <SIR_Taco> ]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR: I believe that installing Ventrillo, installs the new wrangler replacement...
[23:47] <BarkingFish> ok Kaleidoscope, one moment
[23:47] <Kaleidoscope> Thanks
[23:47] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> hmm ?
[23:47] <SIR_Taco> ]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR: or how about "mangler" ?
[23:47] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> u confused me :d
[23:47] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> i was trying to install mangler
[23:48] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> is there actually vent for linux ?
[23:48] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> ive got teamspeak 2 installed
[23:48] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> gonna install TS3 soon
[23:48] <BarkingFish> Kaleidoscope, from the looks of the download page on that website, it looks like you're possibly going to have to compile it.
[23:48] <SIR_Taco>  ]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR: you have libventrilo3-0
[23:48] <Kaleidoscope> Alright
[23:49] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> ahh
[23:49] <BarkingFish> There isn't a package for ubuntu, and the only distro independent sets are tar.bz2, which leads me to believe they're probably source code
[23:49] <szal> Kaleidoscope: the archive should come w/ installation instructions
[23:49] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> wats a good package manager aswell i use kpackagekit
[23:49] <SIR_Taco> ]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR: you also have 'mangler' which is a "Ventrilo compatible client for Linus"
[23:49] <Kaleidoscope> szal, Hopefully, I should be able to follow em pretty easily if it does
[23:49] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> yea i was gonna get mangler but i cant seem to use sudo apt commands
[23:49]  * szal uses aptitude exclusively for package management
[23:49] <BarkingFish> that is the best one, ]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR - I'm certainly not having any problems with it after less than 24 hours on kubuntu :)
[23:49] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> maybe cause ive changed the mirrors
[23:50] <BarkingFish> it's easier than all that sudo apt-get cli stuff :)
[23:50] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> mangler is barkingfish ?
[23:50] <BarkingFish> no, kpackagekit :)
[23:50] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> ah
[23:50] <BarkingFish> It's what I'm using and I've barely been on the distro for a day!
[23:50] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> so kpackagekit is the best package manager around :P ?
[23:51] <BarkingFish> to me, yes.
[23:51] <BarkingFish> Others may think differently
[23:51] <Kaleidoscope> I love kpackagekit
[23:51] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> hmm i cant remember alot of the others
[23:51] <Kaleidoscope> I tried synaptic once, Was pretty gross :P
[23:51] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> ahh yeah that 1
[23:51] <Kaleidoscope> OH WOW
[23:51] <Kaleidoscope> Mantra came with a shell script file so it runs right out of the archive
[23:52] <Kaleidoscope> That's just lovely ^^
[23:52] <yofel> kpackagekit is easy, muon-insaller (default in oneiric) will be a ubuntu software center lookalike, if you're looking for a synaptic replacement use muon
[23:52] <SIR_Taco> ]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR: they all run with on apt... so if you learn apt, that's good... but I would argue there isn't many better than another as far as installing software, just some better are figuring out what you want
[23:53] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> hmmm
[23:53] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> yeah im not familair with apt :P
[23:54] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> well sorta
[23:54] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> used sudo commands a fair few times
[23:54] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> sudo apt
[23:54] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> im n00b as on linux thow :P
[23:55] <Kaleidoscope> I'm in the same boat as you, Hunter
[23:55] <SIR_Taco> haha no problem
[23:55] <yofel> everyone is at some point
[23:56] <BarkingFish> ]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR, Don't worry about it d00d. I feel like a noob again after nearly 10 years on linux.  Changing distros has its ups and downs.
[23:56] <SIR_Taco> It's just nice to see if something goes terribly wrong.... running apt in the konsole/console will tell you that, most package managers wont
[23:56] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> wat distro did u use ?
[23:56] <BarkingFish> Was on mandriva until yesterday
[23:56] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> ah
[23:56] <BarkingFish> 10 years on that is plenty :)
[23:56] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> i used gentoo for a few days
[23:57] <Kaleidoscope> I'm on Kubuntu 11.04 64bit ^^
[23:57] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> got a mate to build it over ssh
[23:57] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> :P
[23:57] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> thats why im a fan of kde
[23:57] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> yeah same kubuntu 11.04
[23:57] <BarkingFish> ^what he said
[23:57] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> gentoo was to advanced for a newbie :P
[23:57] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> he used slackware and gentoo
[23:58] <Kaleidoscope> I'll move up to slackware maybe in a year or so, Once I get really comfortable with Linux
[23:58] <SIR_Taco> try starting on Slackware.... it was almsot worth it, just for the amount of Linux commands I remembered lol
[23:58] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> yeah he said it would do me good
[23:58] <Kaleidoscope> lol
[23:59] <BarkingFish> ok, the downgrade of firefox appears to have worked.  I've got the moonlight plugin installed, and it is compatible :)
[23:59] <SIR_Taco> if you like being "throw into the fire" that's the way to go :)
[23:59] <BarkingFish> now to see whether i can watch TV over it.#
[23:59] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> lol
[23:59] <Kaleidoscope> The only problem for me with slackware is that it'll take me like 2-3 days to DL it
[23:59] <Kaleidoscope> lol
[23:59] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> yeah he was an advanced linux user
[23:59] <yofel> uh, using gentoo as a linux beginner is being thrown into a pool of lava, not fire
[23:59] <SIR_Taco> BarkingFish: what TV are you looking to watch?