[00:36] <Byan> I did not think getting sound to work would be this difficult >_<
[01:03] <_schulte_> looking at /etc/lxdm/lxdm.conf it is not clear how to add support for other Xsessions (e.g., xmonad) any suggestions?
[01:04] <KM0201> Byan: do you have pulse audio installed?
[01:05] <KM0201> Byan: ?
[01:06] <_schulte_> never mind, found the "session" option, which should work
[01:30] <KM0201> o/
[01:31] <Northernen> \o
[01:31] <KM0201> pretty soon we'll do the YMCA dance
[01:31] <KM0201> lol
[01:32] <KM0201> Northernen: seriously, you outta give it a whirl, right now, its a community release, but it's stable, and 11.10, it'll be recognized by canonical
[01:32] <KM0201> lubuntu.net
[01:40] <leccy> yeah, canonical will defo recognise it - they need a decent fall-back position from unity...
[01:41] <leccy> and afaik MS isn't currently arguing with the lxde dev team
[01:58] <cg2916> phillw, are you there?
[01:59] <cg2916> how can i join the lubuntu artwork team?
[02:00] <leccy> cg2916, do you use inkscape? (just curious)
[02:00] <cg2916> what the heck is that?
[02:01] <leccy> vector drawing program, like adobe illustrator
[02:02] <leccy> i must have insulted him
[02:47] <cg2916> whenever i resume from suspend, my screen is black
[02:49] <KM0201> cg2916: foirst question, is how much swap space do you have, and how much RAM do you have?
[02:50] <cg2916> i believe it's 768 mb both
[02:51] <cg2916> how do i find out for swure
[02:51] <cg2916> sure*
[02:54] <cg2916> KM0201, you there?
[02:54] <KM0201> yes
[02:54] <KM0201> if your swap is only 768mb... i'd say there's a good chance thats why your havng this issue.
[02:54] <cg2916> how do i fix it?
[02:54] <KM0201> cg2916: in a terminal     free -m
[02:54] <cg2916> ok
[02:55] <KM0201> whats it say next to "Mem" under total
[02:55] <cg2916> Wow, it says 748 mb
[02:55] <cg2916> I know i have 768
[02:55] <cg2916> a 256 and a 512 mb chip
[02:55] <KM0201> thats fine..
[02:55] <KM0201> whats it say next to swap?
[02:55] <cg2916> 768
[02:56] <KM0201> i'm not positive, but i bet thats partly your problem
[02:56] <cg2916> how do i get lubuntu to recognize the other 20mb?
[02:58] <KM0201> it probably is... i wouldn't be overly concerned w/ that
[02:59] <KM0201> your issue, if either of those two are your isue, i'd be its more that your swap space is very limited, rather than your memory
[02:59] <cg2916> should i up it to 1gb or down it to 546 mb
[02:59] <cg2916> 748*
[03:02] <cg2916> hello?
[03:03] <KM0201> sorry
[03:03] <cg2916> ok
[03:03] <KM0201> i'm in like 15 different channels, if people don't say my name when talking, it doesn't alert me.
[03:03] <cg2916> Ok
[03:03] <cg2916> I'll do it from now on
[03:03] <KM0201> i would up it to about 1500mb-2gigs
[03:04] <cg2916> But, won't the swap and RAM conflict?
[03:04] <KM0201> no
[03:04] <KM0201> not at all actually
[03:04] <KM0201> swap, is what RAM uses, when it's full (to keep your pc from crashing)
[03:04] <KM0201> hibernating, almost always takes up all your ram...
[03:04] <cg2916> so, will the screen issue be fixed?
[03:04] <KM0201> general rule of thumb, swap should be 1.5-2x your physical ram.
[03:05] <KM0201> thats wha ti'm saying, i can't say 100% thats your problem.
[03:05] <cg2916> and the ram isn't filling up yet, although it may fix minecraft
[03:05] <KM0201> but.. you definitely don't have enough swap space
[03:05] <cg2916> ok
[03:05] <KM0201> i doubt it will fix minecraft
[03:05] <cg2916> anything else that can fix my screen?
[03:05] <KM0201> well, what graphics processor are you using
[03:06] <cg2916> hang on
[03:07] <cg2916> ATI Radeon Mobility M6 LY
[03:07] <KM0201> that could also be the issue.
[03:07] <KM0201> ATI's can be notoriously buggy in Linux (i have very little experience w/ them.. maybe soemone else here does.. frankly, I avoid them)
[03:08] <cg2916> ok... right
[03:08] <cg2916> anything i can do
[03:11] <cg2916> KM0201 what can i do
[03:14] <cg2916> KM0201
[03:15] <KM0201> sorry
[03:15] <KM0201> honestly.. 'm not sure a bigger swap is gonna fix the problem (but its certainly not helping)
[03:15] <KM0201> it's probably gonna be a PITA to resize your swap.
[03:16] <cg2916> idc about swap yet
[03:16] <cg2916> what about my screen
[03:16] <KM0201> cg2916: yu're not getting it, there is a very good possibility, your lack of swap space, is causing your hibernate/screen prob.
[03:17] <cg2916> ok
[03:17] <cg2916> i'll make it bigger and then come back to you
[03:51] <Byan> KM0201: sorty of
[03:51] <Byan> sort of*
[03:51] <KM0201> Byan: ?.. don't recall the question
[03:51] <Byan> I figured out that my edgers kernel doesn't seem to have alsa modules with it
[03:51] <Byan> my sound issue
[03:51] <KM0201> oh.
[03:51] <KM0201> whats your sound device?
[03:52] <Byan> ati based "intel hda"
[03:53] <KM0201> Byan: how does lspci identify the device?
[03:54] <Byan> computer isn't on right now, but it's a says ati Azalia (intel hda) something like that
[03:54] <KM0201> hmm, yah, those are a pain sometimes
[03:54] <Byan> but it's not that though
[03:54] <Byan> I have no sound modules at all..
[03:55] <KM0201> hmm,
[03:55] <KM0201> i'm helping someone w/ the same problem (and i think you two have the saame device).. so if i get anywhere, i'll let you know
[03:56] <Byan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/795815
[03:56] <KM0201> she's done so much crap though, she's gonna reinstall
[03:56] <Byan> lol, I doubt it's the same problem as I am using 2.6.39
[03:56] <KM0201> oh ok.. :)
[03:57] <Byan> I am also unable to get sound working in 2.6.38, but it shows up in alsamixer, so I am pretty sure it has to do with fixing the perfed sound device, since I have two
[03:58] <Byan> let me know about that case you're working on, for reference
[03:58] <KM0201> ya
[03:58] <KM0201> will do.
[05:18] <lubun> my cdrom "mounts" but says this "location is not mountable" i cant open the cd anywhere. i found a thread but i has alot of different solutions the last one seems the easiest which is this but no one replied to it,DOES ANYONE KNOW what this command does? "sudo apt-get install gvfs-backends"
[05:19] <bioterror> installs usefull stuff to gvfs
[05:19] <bioterror> those should already be installed
[05:23] <lubun> ... well, that was the last suggestion.
[05:24] <lubun> the other ones seemed more complicated to me
[05:24] <jmarsden> lubun: The "useful stuff" in gvfs-backends is the low level program code modules that let gvfs know how to access several different kinds of remote filesystems.
[05:24] <lubun> so then that wouldnt help with the cdrom?
[05:25] <lubun> jmarsden?
[05:25] <jmarsden> lubun: I doubt it.  Can you mount the same cdrom by hand using mount ?
[05:25] <lubun> Im kind of new so idk how to do that
[05:26] <lubun> mplayer cdda:// ????
[05:26] <jmarsden> OK.  Are you willing to type in a few commands in a terminal session?
[05:26] <lubun> yeah... i just not to savy thats all
[05:27] <jmarsden> OK, so first create a new directory to mount the cdrom onto, by doing      sudo mkdir /tmp/testcd
[05:27] <bioterror> why not just use /mnt?
[05:28] <bioterror> just asking
[05:28] <lubun> ok i did that, but bioterror brings up my point about to many solutions. then i get lost in what ive done  and what if what i do messes it up?
[05:29] <jmarsden> bioterror: You can put it anywhere you wan, but this is a temporary test, you shouldn't mount directly to mnt, there may be other things under it already... so I coudl do mkdir /mnt/whatever   but then I'd have to remember to rmdir it afterwards to keep things clean... so using /tmp is nice :)
[05:29] <jmarsden> lubun: See above... using /tmp/ anything means if it messes up you can reboot and it will go away :)
[05:29] <lubun> ok i did that...
[05:30] <lubun> cd?
[05:30] <jmarsden> Put the cdrom in the drive.  Then do     sudo mount -t iso9660 -r /dev/sr0 /tmp/testcd
[05:31] <jmarsden> And tell me if it gives you any messages when you do that.
[05:33] <jmarsden> lubun: What happened?
[05:35] <lubun> jmarsden:  "mount: no medium found on /dev/sr0"     I have to drives so maybe something else
[05:35] <jmarsden> OK, put it in the other drive and run the command again :)
[05:37] <lubun> jmarsden: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sr0,        missing codepage or helper program, or other error        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try        dmesg | tail  or so
[05:38] <jmarsden> Aha, so the CDROM does not seem to be a normal CDROM.  How was it created and what kind of filesystem is on it?
[05:40] <lubun> ummm? what?
[05:40] <jmarsden> That CDROM... what is on it and how did it get there?
[05:41] <jmarsden> How did you create it?
[05:41] <lubun> you mean the disc...
[05:41] <jmarsden> Yes, the one you put into your sr0 drive :)
[05:41] <jmarsden> The CDROm we are trying to mount... that one :)
[05:41] <lubun> its an audio disc, speech
[05:42] <jmarsden> So... why would you be trying to mount an audio CD???
[05:42] <lubun> it wont open
[05:42] <lubun> i cant do anything with it
[05:42] <lubun> but i see your poin
[05:42] <lubun> t
[05:43] <lubun> is that why it says not mountable as soon as it goes in?
[05:44] <jmarsden> I'd think so.  It is not a CDROM at all.  It is an audio CD.  CD and CDROM are not exactly the same thing.
[05:45] <lubun> your ruining my life .... lol... jk
[05:45] <jmarsden> Is the "audio disc" really a nice normal standard audio CD, 44.1KHz 16bit stereo, per the official specs?  How did the audio get onto it?
[05:46] <jmarsden> (IF it is a commercial store bought audio CD, OK, it should be standard... if you made it yourself... we have more questions to ask!)
[05:48] <lubun> no i didnt make it... i bought it
[05:48] <lubun> ;et me try to use rhythmbox
[05:49] <jmarsden> OK.  Do other audio CDs play OK in your Lubuntu machine?
[05:50] <lubun> ok i have to go and look for it through rhythmbox, but i can get it now, on my other machine, it auto"mounts" and prompt to open with file manager or music player...
[05:52] <jmarsden> lubun: That sounds like GNOME/Nautilus doing its stuff... those do not exist in Lubuntu.  try a different audio CD and see if you can play that one automatically in Lubuntu, so you know if the issue is with all audio CDs or just the first one.
[05:53] <lubun> now to find a music cd to try
[06:02]  * KM0201 hasn't bought a cd in years.
[06:03] <KM0201> :)
[06:05] <lubun> yeah... i cant find one either. i have plenty of speeches. but not music. I can copy and paste the sound files out, but i cant play them through rhythmbox... but im just trying to put them in my ipod so it will do i guess.
[06:06] <lubun> on another note. I cannot seem to get my ipod or gogear or sandisk to work always errors. do you remember our chat KM0201? it works on this machine but not my other one...
[06:07] <KM0201> hmm
[06:08] <lubun> its ok i guess but this computer is ANCIENT so it is so slow.... the other one is super fast...
[06:10] <lubun> the pc at my shop is 1gig (of 2) 3gig Pent4, this one is 1.6 or 1.7 gig pent 4 with 512 gig ram
[06:11] <KM0201> lol, the laptop that just smoked on me the other day, was a 1.6ghz celeron, 1.5gig of ram... .i had almost more ram than i did proc. speed
[06:14] <lubun> wow... this one i got at a thrift store... it was on windows 2000 server edition when i got it... i looked into buying ram, but after reading about that i decided ill just wait and build me a new one...
[06:41] <lubun> KM0201: what was that audio sound controller that you recomended a few days ago? was it audacious? to configure the sound output ad mics and things like that?
[07:00] <KM0201> oops, sorry, didn't hear him.
[19:03] <vz88> hi. i have one question about the ext4 filesystem
[19:03] <vz88> is ext4 compatible to ntfs?
[19:08] <KM0201> vz88: commpatible? what do you mean.
[19:16] <LubuntuPowered> KM0201
[19:16] <KM0201> LubuntuPowered: ?
[19:16] <LubuntuPowered> will respond to all your questions within 5 minutes 24/7
[19:17] <LubuntuPowered> that was fast!
[19:17] <bioterror> ext4 has nothing to do with ntfs
[19:17] <KM0201> what was fast?
[19:17] <bioterror> ntfs is propietary filesystem
[19:17] <LubuntuPowered> response time
[19:17] <KM0201> i just saw the channel highlighted showing someone asked a question, thats all.
[19:17] <KM0201> he never responded back, so.. i dunno.. but yea, pretty much my responsse was gonna be they are completely different..
[19:18] <LubuntuPowered> i still have the same issue with my internet
[19:18] <KM0201> i was just curious though, i don't think he phrased his question correctly
[19:18] <KM0201> LubuntuPowered: what issue is that?
[19:19] <LubuntuPowered> not exceeding 4mb, while i get 17mb+ with all my other computers wired and unwired
[19:19] <LubuntuPowered> but it seems the upload speed on Lubuntu is not affected
[19:19] <LubuntuPowered> same as my other computers
[19:19] <KM0201> hm, that is strange
[19:20] <KM0201> i never had a problem like that, and wouldn't even begin to know how to trouble shoot it
[19:20] <KM0201> my speeds have always been comparable w/ the service i pay for
[19:20] <LubuntuPowered> also, the only way i can connect is if i uncheck "Enable Networking" while i "auto eth0" and then check it back in
[19:20] <LubuntuPowered> otherwise it will not connect
[19:20] <LubuntuPowered> weird?
[19:21] <KM0201> yes
[19:21] <bioterror> LubuntuPowered, open terminal and: lspci |grep Network
[19:21] <bioterror> hmm
[19:21] <bioterror> |grep Ether
[19:22] <bioterror> that's correct
[19:22] <bioterror> I would like to know your NIC
[19:25] <LubuntuPowered> it's not showing anything
[19:25] <KM0201> well, that would explain your problem... :).. you don't have NIC!. it's amazing its even getting 4mb.
[19:26] <LubuntuPowered> ...
[19:26] <LubuntuPowered> no
[19:26] <LubuntuPowered> i have one
[19:26] <KM0201> !pastebin | LubuntuPowered pastebin your entire lspci, and then give us the link
[19:28] <bioterror> I'm off to sauna ;)
[19:28] <bioterror> laters mates ;)
[19:28] <KM0201> have fun
[19:35] <KM0201> LubuntuPowered: any luck?>
[19:38] <john_rambo> when trying to delete files from /usr/share/applications with pcmanfm as root gettting " "operation not supported"
[19:38] <john_rambo> want to delete some unwanted launchers from main menu
[19:40] <KM0201> john_rambo: how are you attempting to delete them?
[19:41] <KM0201> you're running pcmanfm, as root?
[19:42] <john_rambo> KM0201, selecting them with mouse & pressing the delete key || tried doing that as myself but that didnt work
[19:42] <KM0201> john_rambo: try this... sudo rm /path/to/file.name
[19:43] <KM0201> john_rambo: pcmanfm, to my knowledge, does not support being used w/ sudo (at least when i tried it it didn't)
[19:44] <john_rambo> KM0201, I want to delete all the launchers in the "others" menu ...... quite difficult to determine the filenames from CLI
[19:45] <KM0201> john_rambo: browse to the folder/file names w/ pcman fm, then use terminal to delete them.
[19:45] <john_rambo> KM0201, trying that
[19:45] <KM0201> john_rambo: i gotta run for a bit, i'll try to check back in in about 30min
[19:54] <Kurdistan> :) friTTe| is visiting us.
[20:26] <LubuntuPowered> !pastebinit
[20:28] <LubuntuPowered> 00:12.0 Ethernet controller: Lite-On Communications Inc LNE100TX [Linksys EtherFast 10/100] (rev 25)
[20:32] <KM0201> hmm
[20:32] <KM0201> never heard of that one.
[20:32] <KM0201> LubuntuPowered: is that the only one you have there?
[21:37] <bioterror> KM0201, that's PCMCIA
[21:37] <KM0201> hm, yeah it is
[22:07] <aikInsaan> i have just downloaded lubuntu 11.04 (32bit) and checked the md5 checksum on the torrented iso...which matches but when i run 'usb-creator.exe' it reports a ' End-of-central-directory signature not found...' error
[22:07] <aikInsaan> and suggestions on what could have gone wrong?
[22:07] <aikInsaan> or possibly what my noob hands are doing incorrectly?
[22:12] <bioterror> aikInsaan, use unetbootin for example