[15:00] <cjwatson> evenin' all
[15:00]  * barry waves
[15:00]  * stgraber waves
[15:00] <bdmurray> hi
[15:00] <jhunt_> o/
[15:00] <ev> hiya
[15:01] <cjwatson> #startmeeting
[15:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:01. The chair is cjwatson.
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[15:01] <cjwatson> so, we're at least two down today, after Surbhi's departure and with Steve being on holiday
[15:02] <mvo> hi
[15:02] <cjwatson> doko_: around?
[15:02]  * cjwatson has not been keeping up with the holiday calendar
[15:03] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[15:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Lightning round
[15:03] <cjwatson> $ echo $(shuf -e cjwatson barry doko stgraber jhunt mvo ev bdmurray)
[15:03] <cjwatson> barry stgraber mvo bdmurray jhunt ev cjwatson doko
[15:03] <ev> phew
[15:03] <barry> bug 212370 (coretemp - needs followup), bug 811193 (psycopg2 sync request), bug 788514 (python-debian, python-dateutil, chardet, pycairo - revisit, python-brlapi, inotifyx), bug 788525 (review py 2.6.6/2.6.7 changes for sru), bug 806574 (cj crash in reorder() - no pygi equivalent so needs reimp), bug 810192 (pysqlite sync request), post-crash sysadmin (libvirt and vm restores/reinstalls), blog post about ecryptfs/u1/encfs, reviewed
[15:03] <barry> packaging guide mps, release flufl.bounce (for launchpad), filed sbuild bugs, ppa:pythoneers/lts work, python issue 10309 (dlmalloc.c implicit cast breaking buildds). done.
[15:04] <stgraber> - Was on holiday last week
[15:04] <stgraber> - Fixed an annoying tzsetup bug (bug 771361)
[15:04] <stgraber> - Worked a bit on fixing LTSP not booting because of nbd (bug 806419)
[15:04] <stgraber> - Spent most of yesterday becoming way too familiar with TPM, nss and pkcs. Still fighting with opencryptoki.
[15:04] <stgraber> - Started playing with LP daily builds for LTSP
[15:04] <stgraber> - Still working on arkose's dbus proxy. Will probably do yet another complete rewrite today, fighting with glib/dbus/threading :)
[15:04] <stgraber> - Will do some IPv6 testing now that cyphermox got a new Network manager patch
[15:04] <stgraber> (done)
[15:04] <cyphermox> (just uploaded this to my ppa)
[15:05] <mvo> did:
[15:05] <mvo> software-center: work on exhibits UI/backend, add ratings_spread graph, branch merges, work on GObject/GLib/Gio introspection update
[15:05] <mvo> update-manager: move to dh7, add btrfs snapshot to the size caclculation, add query-string for the release notes (like ubiquity), move auto-upgrade-tester to a new home and add some tweaks
[15:05] <mvo> unattended-upgrades: add progress reporting and display if still running on shutdown
[15:05] <mvo> apt-btrfs-snapshot: use argparse, add i18n, add basic help and debug, add cleanup cronjob for old snapshots
[15:05] <mvo> friendly-recovery: add revert-to-snapshot menu
[15:05] <mvo> debdelta: add natty->natty-security deltas
[15:05] <mvo> software-properties: fixes in the dbus/polkit backend, port gtk UI to the new dbus/polkit backend (quite a bit of work)
[15:05] <mvo> apt: make apt-get upgrade hold back packages with new recommends (that would introduce new policy-broken packages), merges from debian-sid/experimental
[15:05] <mvo> debdelta: push my changes to lp:~mvo/debdelta/mvo and import upstream branch into LP
[15:05] <mvo> EOF
[15:05] <bdmurray> kerneloops upload enabling kerneloops but not reporting Oopses with WARNING in them (bug 346303), apport modifications to tag kerneloops reports based  off the driver the oops occurred in, tagging of apport-kerneloops bug reports using kernel-driver- and the driver name
[15:05] <bdmurray> bzr branch modifying plymouth apport hook and fixing bug 787685, apport update (data/general-hooks/ubuntu.py) to file more bugs about grub/grub2 rather than linux or memtest86+, rewrite how the ubuntu general hook in apport deals with DpkgTerminalLog and expand it to check VarLogDistupgradeApttermlog,  base-files upload resolving dealing with lsb_release (bug 744253 and bug 575885)
[15:05] <bdmurray> apport-package bug cleanup for acpid, casper, memtest86+, dpkg and eglibc, out of memory package installation failure bug triage, bug triage of         memtest86+ bug reports, bug pattern writing for acpi and jockey bug reports
[15:06] <bdmurray> update of launchpad database queries to not display private bug reports anymore, wrote launchpadlib script to searchTasks for package in ubuntu-        foundations-bugs.getBugSubscriberPackages to find tasks and filter by importance, status or tags and added it to arsenal
[15:06] <bdmurray> done
[15:06] <jhunt_> on Upstart feature to disable jobs. Debugging bug 807293 with
[15:06] <jhunt_> digression into /proc/self/fd behaviour on various kernels and
[15:06] <jhunt_> releases. Started work on an "upstart-utils" package (to contain the
[15:06] <jhunt_> add-on utilities out of the main upstart package). Found a couple of
[15:06] <jhunt_> dbus bugs (bug 812940 and 912913). Raised MP for bug 810956
[15:06] <jhunt_> (required upstream Upstart changes to work around bug 812940).
[15:06] <jhunt_> Hopefully no more dbus problems relating to upstarts tests.
[15:06] <jhunt_> ✔
[15:06] <cjwatson> Spent most of the week shepherding Ubuntu 10.04.3, with a last-minute oem-config fix and a couple of other bits and pieces.
[15:06] <cjwatson> Database side of multiarch-translations patch for Launchpad landed.  The rest is approved and we should be able to land it shortly after apt/python-apt hit lucid-updates.
[15:06] <jhunt_> dang - copy/paste error! Line *one* of my report is:
[15:06] <cjwatson> Trying to add non-forking "generator" function support to libpipeline.  I think this is the main piece of hard work required to speed up the man-db trigger, which is a hotspot in Ubuntu upgrades (it turns out that forking 80000 processes is a bit slow, who'd'a thunk it).  Defining the API for this in C is proving quite difficult, seeing as coroutines aren't exactly a core language feature - I expect I'll spend a bit of ...
[15:06] <jhunt_> "Spent some time with Surbhi on the Upstart initramfs changes. Worked"
[15:06] <cjwatson> ... time on it at DebConf.
[15:06] <cjwatson> Realised this morning that my spam filter had gone insane and misfiled a bunch of real mail as spam.  I think I've recovered the bulk of it, but if you're waiting for a mail reply from me then resending would be welcome.
[15:07] <cjwatson> Starting back in on the GRUB menu enhancements required to use it on the CD.  Finding it very difficult to make progress, although I do at least know the first piece; this will be a DebConf project.
[15:07] <cjwatson> Submitted another Launchpad patch to add Ubuntu Studio task fields (bug 562706).  This should land today.
[15:07] <cjwatson> Travelling to DebConf on Friday; then DebCamp/DebConf for a week; then holiday for a week.
[15:07] <cjwatson> --
[15:07] <cjwatson> ev: err, very sorry, I jumped the queue
[15:07]  * jhunt_ contemplates off-by-one bugs.
[15:07] <bdmurray> cjwatson: is the tasksel task still necessary for 562706?
[15:07] <cjwatson> bdmurray: I just marked it invalid :-)
[15:09] <doko_> cjwatson: yes, can't see xchat blinking on my just upgraded laptop (oneiric)
[15:13] <ev> apols, was quickly talking to John Lea about indexing your entire home folder on upgrade (yay)
[15:13] <ev> - Wireless networking page work.  Pretty much sorted and functional now, with
[15:13] <ev>   tests and all.  Just need to hook into an installer page.
[15:13] <ev> - Lucid chroots and builds of Wubi.
[15:13] <ev> - Helping two MacBook Air users in the office get up and running. There
[15:13] <ev>   appears to be a bug in the free driver that results in colorful TV snow when
[15:13] <ev>   KMS is enabled. Installing the binary driver fixes it. Can we please include
[15:13] <ev>   that on the CD? It's enabled when the 3rd party software box is checked and
[15:13] <ev>   Internet is available, and I'm confident that the wireless page will land
[15:13] <ev>   this or next week, but still, it's going to bite people.
[15:14] <ev> - LZMA vs xz shootout: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1oVHavsFMdCuqeco1vKI_r82dTCMrDj8HPtIaqBqvTO8/edit?hl=en_US&authkey=COO95YEE
[15:14] <ev>   - tl;dr xz wins, obviously. The extreme compression offers us nothing.
[15:14] <ev> - live-build and cdimage support for wubi xz archive.
[15:14] <ev> - Wubi cron job for publishing on cdimage.  Wubi disk image daily builds are
[15:14] <ev>   pretty much ready to go.
[15:14] <ev> - Met with the web team for a couple of hours to discuss the developer portal.
[15:14] <ev> - Lots more ubiquity PyGI work.  Very nearly there.  Just need to fix up one
[15:14] <ev>   last unicode issue, figure out why some signals are not firing, and write GI
[15:14] <ev>   bindings for indicator-datetime or gnome-control-center (eep!) so we can
[15:14] <ev>   have a working timezone map again.
[15:14] <ev> TODO:
[15:14] <ev> - Plumbers flight.  EEP.
[15:14] <ev> - Wubi disk image integration.
[15:14] <ev> - Lots of other workitems. eep again.
[15:14] <ev> (done)
[15:14] <doko_> - ARM panda board installation
[15:14] <doko_> - ARM ac100 installation borked again :-/
[15:14] <doko_> - make ARM multiarch aware (armel/armhf), currently just gcc-4.6 and eglibc
[15:14] <doko_> - dive into multiarch changes for GCC again, found at least two issues when doin
[15:14] <doko_> g the ARM work
[15:14] <doko_> - Linaro GCC 4.5 and 4.6 merges and tests
[15:14] <doko_> - not much else besides ARM work :-(
[15:15] <doko_> will be traveling the next two weeks (DebConf, and the Linaro sprint)
[15:15] <doko_> (done)
[15:15] <cjwatson> ev: indexing> *cough* I do hope I can turn that off, it would take forever
[15:15] <ev> cjwatson: I did my best to warn about that
[15:15] <ev> and that we've never been particularly great at writing IO schedulers
[15:16] <cjwatson> (though better now that I have SSD, but I remember having to kill stupid indexers with fire in the past)
[15:16] <ev> so perhaps it's time that we say you can't use your computer during upgrades, because if it's doing a full upgrade PLUS an index of the universe, well, you really can't use your computer
[15:16] <ev> mvo: John Lea will be in touch :-P
[15:16] <cjwatson> deferring the index update would be a better plan
[15:17] <cjwatson> include binary driver> no, we can't, we've had legal threats about that in the past
[15:17] <cjwatson> (I'm pretty sure)
[15:17] <ev> cjwatson: Broadcom lets us but Nvidia doesn't?
[15:17] <mvo> ev: heh
[15:17] <ev> You'd figure Nvidia would want us to use their driver.
[15:17] <cjwatson> no, that's not the problem
[15:17] <mvo> ev: so the home dir needs indexing? so we need to run it as a user task instead of root?
[15:18] <ev> mvo: yup, presumably for every user
[15:18] <ev> mvo: it's all about building an index for zeitgeist
[15:18] <cjwatson> if we ship the binary graphics drivers, we end up shipping the combination earlier, iirc, and *kernel developers* say we're violating their licence
[15:19] <ev> because they are of the belief that zeitgeist can pretty much handle every application we care about now
[15:19] <cjwatson> so we have an uneasy compromise
[15:19] <ev> ah, bloody Greg
[15:19] <cjwatson> also, don't the nvidia packages dpkg-divert libGL?
[15:19] <ev> cjwatson: probably, why is that an issue?
[15:19] <cjwatson> because it doesn't work on other cards when you do ...
[15:19] <ev> ah yes, portability of installation
[15:19] <cjwatson> portability of the live CD
[15:20] <ev> well, it's not installing it in the livefs
[15:20] <ev> it's running jockey -C from ubiquity
[15:20] <cjwatson> why don't you get colourful TV snow in the live session then?
[15:20] <ev> cjwatson: you do
[15:20] <ev> sorry if that wasn't clear
[15:20] <cjwatson> hm
[15:20] <cjwatson> installing it on the fly might be a bit different, I'm not sure
[15:21] <ev> cjwatson: is this a question for Amanda or the kernel team?
[15:21] <cjwatson> seriously though, why can't we fix the free driver
[15:21] <cjwatson> not sure
[15:21] <ev> because we're always fixing the free driver
[15:21] <mvo> ev: that is going to be interessting as there are some pratical problems for the "run for every user" case, .e.g nfs or other installs
[15:21] <ev> and then new hardware comes out
[15:21] <ev> and our users are left with a bad experience
[15:21] <cjwatson> it's getting closer and closer as time goes ono
[15:21] <cjwatson> just giving up is bad
[15:22] <cjwatson> I mean, we could just ship a non-free OS, but that's not what we're about?
[15:22] <ev> I do not foresee a point whereby we can honestly keep up with an entire company dedicated to building a driver for their own hardware
[15:22] <cjwatson> we might as well all give up then, how can we keep up with Microsoft
[15:22] <ev> I think that's a strawman
[15:22] <ev> we can and should ship free bits
[15:22] <ev> for the things that we can reasonably manage
[15:23] <cjwatson> we're constantly under pressure not to
[15:23] <ev> but I don't think the open source community has come up with enough people hacking away on the free nvidia driver to keep up with the hardware out there
[15:23] <ev> just like we should ship flash
[15:23] <cjwatson> I thought it was part of our ethos that we pushed back
[15:23] <ev> because gnash will never ever keep up with that
[15:23] <ev> we should ship the nvidia binary driver in whatever way we can
[15:23] <ev> we should push back, but not at the expense of our users
[15:24] <cjwatson> our users will never get anything free if we don't even try
[15:24] <ev> we can push back in other ways, through hardware deals and all that jazz
[15:24] <cjwatson> workarounds are one thing, but we need to fix the free driver on this hardware *as well*
[15:24] <ev> I also don't think there's an advantage to a free driver with lots of bugs that we can fix vs a non-free driver with a smaller amount of bugs that we can't
[15:24] <ev> absolutely
[15:24] <cjwatson> and if we don't ship it by default, we never ever ever will
[15:25] <cjwatson> jockey -C will just shove the non-free driver in and nobody will ever even try the free driver
[15:25] <ev> but if the free driver doesn't stand a chance of keeping up, should we really fight that battle
[15:25] <ev> or push free software where we can keep up or create an advantage
[15:26] <cjwatson> I thought we wanted our kernel bug reports to be looked at by upstream ...
[15:26] <ev> but we have this problem in more than just the graphics driver
[15:26] <ev> wireless as well
[15:27] <cjwatson> we do, and it's a problem, but at least with wireless it's possible to present a choice to users where they can actually see it
[15:27] <cjwatson> anyway, maybe you and I having an argument about this isn't the best use of the rest of the team's time :)
[15:27] <ev> sure :)
[15:28] <barry> it's an interesting philosophical debate, but probably better carried on elsewhere :)
[15:28] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] Oneiric bugs
[15:28] <MootBot> New Topic:  Oneiric bugs
[15:28] <cjwatson> bdmurray: do you have anything for us this week?
[15:28] <cjwatson> (or anyone else)
[15:28] <bdmurray> cjwatson: no, not this week
[15:29] <doko_> what are 5000 bugs in percent of the open bugs?
[15:29] <cjwatson> apropos of the mumble conversation, it would be good if somebody could look into bug 805886
[15:30] <bdmurray> doko_: about 18%
[15:30] <doko_> *cough*
[15:30] <cjwatson> are you about to initiate a bug event of some kind? ;-)
[15:30] <doko_> so better avoid filing these in the first place
[15:31] <bdmurray> cjwatson: I sent an email about tagging some 5000 bugs dist-upgrade to ubuntu-dev
[15:32]  * micahg thought Ubuntu had ~100k open bugs
[15:32] <bdmurray> micahg: I've been busy fixing that
[15:32] <micahg> :)
[15:32] <bdmurray> well and the expiration probably helps
[15:32] <cjwatson> how many of those 5000 are main?  (not that that necessarily helps our users with universe bits installed, but ...)
[15:33] <doko_> one thing I did notice is that the upgrade bugs should not be filed if the bug title doesn't show up in any of the logs
[15:33] <bdmurray> cjwatson: I just queried for ubuntu bug tasks with the attachment name 'VarLogDistupgrade...'
[15:33] <bdmurray> doko_: do you have an example?
[15:34] <doko_> bdmurray: I'll subscribe you to the next one I see
[15:34] <bdmurray> doko_: okay thanks
[15:36] <cjwatson> OK then
[15:36] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:36] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[15:36] <doko_> maybe an update to the ftbfs reports (nearly all of them in universe), still 700 open, down from 900 two weeks ago.
[15:37] <doko_> I'll have to find time to start the archive rebuild to update these. maybe while at debconf or the linaro sprint
[15:37] <cjwatson> oh, look at that, field.tag=ftbfs doesn't cause LP to time out any more
[15:37] <ev> I met up with Scott for lunch. He's doing well, enjoying SF and Google.
[15:37] <barry> ev: nice
[15:37] <cjwatson> cool, he's holidaying in the UK this week?
[15:37] <mvo> cool
[15:37] <doko_> it never timed out, only if you search for two or more tags
[15:37] <barry> is everybody but me going to debconf? ;)
[15:37] <cjwatson> doko_: it did for me
[15:37] <cjwatson> barry: yes, HTH ;-)
[15:38] <bdmurray> barry: not me
[15:38] <ev> apparently their teams eat dinner together, so no one ever pays for a meal at google
[15:38] <ev> cjwatson: indeed, last week into this one
[15:38] <ev> I think he leaves on Friday
[15:38] <barry> :)
[15:38] <cjwatson> ev: matches my assessment last time I was there - sounds lovely if you're single :)
[15:38] <ev> cjwatson: exactly
[15:39] <ev> welcome to Google, you will live here.
[15:39] <doko_> although the london office only has one cafeteria
[15:39] <barry> resistance is futile
[15:39] <ev> geez, third world country there
[15:39] <doko_> when is the next summit in mountain view?
[15:40] <cjwatson> we're probably overdue, extrapolating from history ...
[15:40] <ev> heh
[15:40] <cjwatson> last one was Nov 2008 IIRC
[15:41] <ev> assuming someone doesn't get us kicked out for taking photos of all the cubicles again
[15:41] <jhunt_> I'm supposed to be there on Monday, but need confirmation (and flights! :)
[15:41] <ev> nice
[15:41] <cjwatson> oh yes, I have one AOB
[15:42] <cjwatson> could somebody represent foundations in the release meeting on Friday?
[15:42] <ev> jhunt_: you're making me feel better about not having my flights for plumbers sorted then
[15:42] <doko_> can do
[15:42] <cjwatson> I'll be travelling, and slangasek will be at DebConf but I don't know if he'll be available
[15:42] <barry> i have a dr. appt
[15:42] <doko_> could you email me some status?
[15:42] <cjwatson> great, thank you - I don't have it right now, I usually distil it from the logs of this meeting
[15:43] <cjwatson> from the lightning round, intersected with status.c.c
[15:43] <cjwatson> I'll get Kate to CC you on the agenda this week
[15:43] <cjwatson> e.g. http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/07/15/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t15:25
[15:44] <cjwatson> it tends to be a bit reduced, a full representation of what everyone's been doing would be too long, so I try to focus on things interesting to other teams
[15:45] <cjwatson> ok, anything else?
[15:46] <cjwatson> that's a wrap then, thanks all
[15:46] <ev> thanks!
[15:46] <cjwatson> #endmeeting
[15:46] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:46.
[15:46] <stgraber> thanks!
[15:46] <jhunt_> thx
[15:46] <barry> thanks!
[15:47] <mvo> thanks
[17:00]  * patrickmw waves
[17:00] <pedro_> hello folks
[17:00] <pedro_> lets start the QA meeting
[17:00] <pedro_> #startmeeting
[17:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:00. The chair is pedro_.
[17:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[17:00]  * charlie-tca waves
[17:00] <pedro_> as always the Agenda is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings
[17:01] <pedro_> [TOPIC] Previous Actions - all
[17:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Previous Actions - all
[17:01] <pedro_> is there any pending items from previous meeting?
[17:01] <pedro_> i don't recall any
[17:02] <pedro_> ok seems not
[17:03] <pedro_> [TOPIC] Community Efforts/Testing
[17:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Community Efforts/Testing
[17:03] <jibel> Hey all
[17:03] <pedro_> jibel, bonjour
[17:03] <jibel> Hola pedro_
[17:03] <jibel> This week we are testing 10.04.3 candidates.
[17:04] <jibel> You can see results here http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[17:04] <jibel> We still need help with Ubuntu 'Run Once' test cases
[17:04] <jibel> And Kubuntu too.
[17:05]  * charlie-tca is running Kubuntu tests, with a slow internet
[17:06] <jibel> Testing is easy, you sync a 10.04.3 image, and run one of the test linked from the tracker
[17:06] <jibel> Test on VM are valid also.
[17:07] <jibel> On Oneiric, we are still testing nVidia and ATI proprietary drivers
[17:07] <jibel> http://xorg.qa.ubuntu.com/
[17:07] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://xorg.qa.ubuntu.com/
[17:07] <pedro_> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/untested and http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/notcompleted are two good links to look for the ISO testing btw
[17:07] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/untested and http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/notcompleted are two good links to look for the ISO testing btw
[17:07] <jibel> If you have one of these card you can contribute to improve its support in the next release.
[17:08] <jibel> Even if its really broken, we want to know about it.
[17:08] <jibel> that's all from me.
[17:08] <jibel> ..
[17:08] <pedro_> folks any question or comment on the topic ?
[17:09] <pedro_> ok next topic on the agenda
[17:10] <pedro_> [TOPIC] Automated/Systems Testing
[17:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  Automated/Systems Testing
[17:10] <pedro_> patrickmw, stage is all yours
[17:10] <patrickmw> = Kernel SRU =
[17:10] <patrickmw> * USIT merges complete for Lucid kernel testing (updates and proposed)
[17:10] <patrickmw> * waiting for USIT daily build to complete, then on to Lucid kernel jenkins jobs
[17:10] <patrickmw> = Upgrade Testing =
[17:10] <patrickmw> * setup complete on albali
[17:10] <patrickmw> * currently creating jenkins jobs with mvo
[17:10] <patrickmw> expected to have lucid kernel sru updates and proposed, and Oneiric upgrade testing running EOW
[17:11] <patrickmw> that's all from me if there are no questions
[17:12] <pedro_> is there any questions/comments?
[17:12] <pgraner> pedro_, 0/
[17:12] <pedro_> pgraner, please go ahead
[17:12] <pgraner> FYI for everyone I'll be in the Datacenter Tue-Wed of next week upgrading the boxes
[17:13] <pgraner> I have disks memory and other goodies going in
[17:13] <pgraner> I'll coordinate with folks individually about down time
[17:13] <pgraner> EOF
[17:14] <pedro_> anyone else?
[17:14] <patrickmw> pgraner, good.  looking forward to see why naartjie won't stay online
[17:15] <pgraner> patrickmw, I confirmed is a BIOS issue and I'll update
[17:15] <patrickmw> thanks!
[17:16] <pedro_> lets go for the next item on the agenda
[17:16] <pedro_> [TOPIC] Engineering Team Bug Status
[17:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  Engineering Team Bug Status
[17:17] <pedro_> bdmurray, Ursinha, anything to share?
[17:17] <Ursinha> o/
[17:17] <bdmurray> I uploaded a new version of kerneloops enabling it and not reporting Oopses with WARNINGS in them for the kernel
[17:17] <bdmurray> There is also a new version of apport that tags the bugs using the driver the Oops occurred in
[17:18] <bdmurray> I updated the plymouth apport source package hook bug 787685
[17:18] <bdmurray> Also after doing some triage of memtest86+ bugs realized a lot were grub updating errors so moved those there and updated apport's handling of those
[17:18] <bdmurray> they'll now go directly to grub2
[17:19] <bdmurray> I also wrote launchpadlib script to searchTasks for package in ubuntu-        foundations-bugs.getBugSubscriberPackages to find tasks and filter by importance, status or tags and added it to arsenal
[17:20] <bdmurray> done
[17:20] <Ursinha> Worked on improvements of the Server team's Bug Triaging process
[17:20] <Ursinha> Changes can be found in the wiki page
[17:20] <Ursinha> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase
[17:20] <Ursinha> To support the improved process, I created a report with all bugs Server team should care about
[17:20] <Ursinha> http://people.canonical.com/~ursula/triage-report.html
[17:20] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~ursula/triage-report.html
[17:20] <Ursinha> ..
[17:21] <pedro_> cool! thanks
[17:21] <jibel> pedro_, don't you have this type of report for the desktop team ?
[17:21] <pedro_> so as for me : remember that tomorrow we're having a bug day for Banshee, the media player, so if you like music and want to test and application please help us
[17:22] <pedro_> page is at : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20110721
[17:22] <pedro_> jibel, yeah i was going to mention that :-)
[17:22] <pedro_> so we also have a similar page at : http://people.canonical.com/~pedro/desktop/
[17:22] <jibel> maybe you could share with Ursinha ?
[17:22] <pedro_> for tracking 'bad bugs' for the desktop team
[17:22] <Ursinha> jibel: that's why I ask people to share their scripts and reports with the rest of the team, hehe :)
[17:22] <Ursinha> pedro_: thanks for that
[17:23] <bdmurray> pedro_: I don't see jockey in that package list
[17:23] <pedro_> Ursinha, if you like it it could be customized , just a matter of change the package list
[17:23] <pedro_> bdmurray, i'll add it to the 'other packages' tab
[17:23] <pedro_> there we list things that are not included in the desktop-bugs subscribed packages
[17:24] <Ursinha> pedro_: I'm not searching for packages, I'm searching for bugs that have ubuntu-server as bug supervisor, but sure, I'll take a look at the code
[17:24] <bdmurray> oh I didn't see the tabs ;-)
[17:24] <Ursinha> pedro_: where's the code?
[17:24] <Ursinha> pedro_: that's a pretty cool report, btw :D
[17:24] <pedro_> Ursinha, the ugly script i wrote is at my ~ at that machine, i'll send it to you later
[17:24] <Ursinha> pedro_: please please please :)
[17:25] <pedro_> and if you're also interesting on which are the 'top ten' of bad bugs on the desktop
[17:25] <pedro_> http://people.canonical.com/~pedro/desktop/top-ten.html
[17:25] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pedro/desktop/top-ten.html
[17:25] <pedro_> you can look at that page
[17:25] <Ursinha> awesome!
[17:25] <pedro_> its some kind of resume of all the bugs on the tabs
[17:26] <Ursinha> thanks pedro_, are you accepting contributions? :) if so, we can put that in launchpad and work together, how does that sound to you?
[17:26] <pedro_> Ursinha, that sounds perfect to me :-)
[17:26] <Ursinha> wonderful :)
[17:27] <pedro_> would be nice if someone help me to clean the code a little bit :-P
[17:27] <Ursinha> I'd appreciate that in my code as well ;)
[17:27] <pedro_> any others comments on questions on the subject?
[17:29] <pedro_> ok thanks all, lets move to the next one
[17:29] <jibel> pedro_, what is the definition of 'worst' ? for example why is bug 772207 in the list ?
[17:29] <pedro_> oh not yet <
[17:29] <jibel> number of affected users ?
[17:29] <pedro_> jibel, indeed, that report is listed because it's affecting a lot of users
[17:30] <pedro_> the report is made based on quantity of dups, numbers of affecting users and importances
[17:30] <jibel> ok interesting.
[17:30] <Ursinha> pedro_: maybe mentioning the criteria at the top would avoid confusion
[17:30] <pedro_> so if you mark a bug as high or critical it will appear in the report no matter how many users are affected
[17:31] <pedro_> and if it has a good quantity of users affected, which is customized for every tab , it will appear there, same for duplicates
[17:31] <jibel> bdmurray, would these reports be useful to the foundation team aswell ?
[17:32] <bdmurray> jibel: I'll play with it and see what we get in the bugs list
[17:32] <pedro_> Ursinha, yes i'll add that, we've been using it just for the desktop so they know why they're listed there, but for external viewers yeah its not clear
[17:33] <Ursinha> pedro_, bdmurray: we can talk about all those reports in our sprint :)
[17:33] <pedro_> oh yes :-)
[17:33] <bdmurray> indeed
[17:33] <pedro_> btw all sorted, i'm going :-)
[17:33] <Ursinha> yay!
[17:34] <pedro_> any other comments/questions?
[17:35] <pedro_> [TOPIC] Other Topics
[17:35] <MootBot> New Topic:  Other Topics
[17:35] <pedro_> Anything else you'd like to discuss at the meeting?
[17:37] <pedro_> ok next item and last one
[17:37] <pedro_> [TOPIC] Chair Selection
[17:37] <MootBot> New Topic:  Chair Selection
[17:38] <pedro_> so hggdh already volunteered for it
[17:38] <pedro_> thanks hggdh :-)
[17:39] <pedro_> ok last reminders , please help with the ISO Testing http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ join #ubuntu-testing for more info and please help with the bug day https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20110721 join #ubuntu-bugs for info on that
[17:39] <pedro_> #endmeeting
[17:39] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:39.
[17:39] <pedro_> thanks all for participating!
[17:40] <jibel> Thanks pedro_ for chairing
[17:40] <Ursinha> thanks pedro_, and all
[17:40] <pedro_> you're welcome
[17:42]  * pedro_ -> lunch