[02:07] <chilts> hey all ... I have a question, anyone recommend a nice and small WiFi USB dongle that works fine with Lucid?
[02:07] <chilts> if I'm stuck with a non-working RTA5390 lappy, then I'll need something else to make it work :)
[02:09]  * ojwb is interested too - wifi in my laptop doesn't work well
[02:09] <chilts> I imagine a Dickies one would be fine
[02:10] <mwhudson> chilts: yeah, el cheapo ones from DSE work fine in my (limited) experience
[02:10]  * ibeardslee is lucky, never had to revert to doing that
[02:11]  * chilts looks
[02:13] <chilts> this looks nice and small -> http://dicksmith.co.nz/product/XH1632/d-link-wireless-n-nano-usb-adaptor
[02:16] <ojwb> i guess wifi doesn't need much of an aerial
[02:17] <ajmitch> the last one I bought ended up being ralink-based, it never worked very well
[02:18] <chilts> yeah, I just can't even get it to recongise the adapter
[02:18] <ajmitch> seems like that d-link one uses a realtek driver & should work
[02:18] <chilts> closest is that 'iwconfig' says 'wlan0     Ralink STA'
[02:18] <chilts> ajmitch: yeah, it sounds like it might work
[02:18] <chilts> pre-Lucid it seemed to give problems for some people though
[02:20] <chilts> ok, seems like it won't work on Lucid without downloading and compiling the RealTek driver -> http://samiux.blogspot.com/2010/05/howto-realtek-8192su-usb-dongle.html
[02:20] <ajmitch> it may work if you use a backported kernel
[02:21] <ajmitch> there's a backport from maverick in lucid-updates & one from natty in lucid-proposed
[02:21] <mwhudson> ok time to reboot into my self compiled kernel!
[02:21]  * mwhudson crosses fingers
[02:21] <ajmitch> mwhudson: see you later
[02:22] <chilts> much later :-p
[02:23] <mwhudson> phew
[02:23] <ajmitch> back in one piece?
[02:24] <mwhudson> and my external monitor support works again
[02:25] <chilts> heh
[02:26] <chilts> ajmitch: ok, so I currently have linux-image-2.6.32-28-generic installed ... that's the right package to upgrade aye? (to linux-image-2.6.38-10-generic or the like)
[02:26]  * chilts is a dunce when it comes to kernel
[02:26] <chilts> s
[02:28] <ajmitch> chilts: not sure, probably :)
[02:28] <chilts> oh, I just meant that's the package to install to upgrade the kernel?
[02:29] <chilts> (not specifically about the wifi dongle) :)
[02:29] <ajmitch> same answer as above
[02:29] <chilts> heh, okay, thanks anyway :)
[02:29]  * chilts will try it
[02:29] <ibeardslee> I think you just need linux-image-kernel installed
[02:29] <mwhudson> kernel packaging is a bit confusing
[02:29] <ibeardslee> that's a metapackage to keep the latest linux-image-*-generic
[02:30] <ibeardslee> I think you just need *linux-image-generic* installed
[02:30] <mwhudson> because the version is in the package name (as well as the version)
[02:30] <chilts> riiiight
[02:31] <ojwb> you don't actually need any kernel packages installed, AIUI
[02:31] <ojwb> though obviously you need a kernel
[02:31] <ajmitch> ojwb: it does make things easier
[02:31] <chilts> so if you don't need a kernel package, where do you get the kernel from?
[02:31] <chilts> obvious not KFC :)
[02:31] <ajmitch> ibeardslee: linux-image-generic may not upgrade to backported kernels, for good reasons :)
[02:31] <ojwb> build one by hand, for example
[02:31] <ibeardslee> ajmitch: ahhh
[02:31] <chilts> oh yeah, no, I'm not into that :)
[02:31] <ojwb> IIRC there's a question about it in the debian NM process
[02:32] <ajmitch> ojwb: there's also a question about whether libc6 should be essential: yes
[02:33] <ojwb> of course not, you might want to stick with libc5!
[02:33] <mwhudson> or bionic!
[02:33]  * mwhudson falls over
[02:33]  * ajmitch wonders when NZ will get more DDs so we can get to the top of the per-capita rankings
[02:34] <chilts> ok, I have just rebooted with linux-image-2.6.38-10-generic ... seems like it's fine
[02:34] <ojwb> we have potential certainly
[02:34] <chilts> so hopefully that D-Link thing will work when I buy it later :)
[02:34] <ojwb> perhaps we should just persuade more to move here
[02:34] <ajmitch> we have a few imports
[02:35] <ojwb> me, for example
[02:35] <ojwb> though maybe I actually became a DD after moving here
[02:36] <ajmitch> http://www.perrier.eu.org/weblog/2011/06/12#devel-countries-201106-3 says that we were in 3rd place last year
[02:36] <ibeardslee> I reckon that assume John "retard" Key doesn't finish selling our soul to the US corps and the patent law gets signed hand happening, we'll be able to attract more imports
[02:36] <ojwb> it's a shame it doesn't invalidate existing software patents though
[02:36] <ojwb> but I can see that's harder to push through
[06:09] <chilts> wireless report: bought the DLink DWA 131, stuck it in whilst on the train and it worked pretty much immediately
[06:09]  * chilts is happy :)
[06:10] <chilts> thanks for your collective help with figuring out what to do with my kernel earlier :)
[06:10] <ajmitch> excellent :)
[08:49] <hads> Prompted by the latest posts on NZLUG I just logged in with GNOME2 for the first time in a couple months. It's odd.
[08:51] <hads> I can't keep my eyes off the bottom panel and keep moving my mouse to the left of the screen to launch things. Funny how quickly you get used to things.
[10:33] <mwhudson_> hads: :)
[19:02] <ajmitch> morning
[19:31] <karora> evening!
[19:48] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:48] <ibeardslee> .. and a brief goodbye while the server gets a reboot
[20:43] <chilts> morningz
[20:45] <chilts> hads: yeah, I used Gnome for about 20 mins yesterday and when I went back to XMonad, I kept doing Ctl-Alt-Arrow to switch desktops
[20:45] <chilts> am back into using Mod4-<Number> again now :)
[20:49] <ibeardslee> gnome does have a key combination to change directly to windows
[21:06] <chrismsnz> morning
[21:26] <snail> morning
[21:30] <Atamira> morning
[21:34] <thumper> morning
[21:45] <mwhudson> morning
[21:55] <hads> morning