[00:00] <hamitron> my 20Gb external hdd is USB 1.1
[00:00] <hamitron> :(
[00:00] <hamitron> I think
[00:00] <StevenR> :'(
[00:00] <hamitron> I know it sucks anyway
[00:01] <hamitron> keep meaning to play with it, but hassle of rebooting gets in the way
[00:02] <hamitron> popey: what model netbook is it?
[00:02] <popey> Asus 1008HA
[00:02] <popey> clamshell
[00:04] <hamitron> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ort5HxEf1d8
[00:04] <hamitron> I assume it must work
[00:06] <hamitron> damn, I need SSD
[00:06] <hamitron> my comp takes about 10 mins to startup
[00:06] <hamitron> :/
[00:06] <hamitron> with all the junk
[00:44] <etneg> hi
[00:44] <etneg> anyone using xfce 4.8
[00:54] <etneg> I'm on ubuntu 10.04 and I used a PPA to go from Xfce 4.6 to Xfce 4.8
[00:54] <etneg> I updated to Xfce 4.8 and now I can't change music file properties in Thunar
[00:57] <etneg> https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/22580
[00:57] <etneg> sounds like a fix for it?
[00:57] <etneg> not sure
[00:57] <etneg> any hints?
[01:13] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Calling Those To Rock The Ubuntu 11.10 Global Jam - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/07/20/calling-those-to-rock-the-ubuntu-11-10-global-jam/
[01:17] <etneg> bah
[06:45] <MooDoo> morning all
[06:45] <DJones> Morning
[06:58] <dwatkins> hiya
[07:16] <diplo> Morning all
[07:16] <MooDoo> morning diplo
[07:19] <Apacheuk> morning
[07:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> OT. This is a great visual tracking the twitter traffic yesterday with piegate. http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/interactive/2011/jul/19/rupert-murdoch-twitter-pie
[07:41] <diplo> heh that was quite good
[07:43] <daubers> Morning
[07:44] <MooDoo> morning daubers
[07:57] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:57] <MooDoo> morning czajkowski
[08:40] <AlanBell> morning
[08:41] <MooDoo> morning AlanBell
[08:41]  * AlanBell is south of the river today
[08:43] <oimon> installed natty on a new box last night, immediately came across some annoying bugs not yet fixed ..finding it more buggy than lucid
[08:44]  * MooDoo upgraded to oneiric and updated and broke x
[08:47] <andylockran> hey guys
[08:47] <andylockran> getting the following from grub-install on 10.04.3 LTS You attempted a cross-disk install, but the filesystem containing /boot/grub does not support UUIDs.
[08:49] <MartijnVdS> andylockran: what kind of filesystem did you install it on?
[08:50] <andylockran> ext4
[08:50] <MartijnVdS> andylockran: and did you put everything on one partition?
[08:50] <BigRedS> MooDoo: really? I upgraded last night and suddenly sounds started working
[08:50] <BigRedS> but X is fine
[08:50] <andylockran> MartijnVdS: yes
[08:50] <BigRedS> in fact, Unity doesn't die every half hour or so any more
[08:50] <MartijnVdS> andylockran: anything special about your setup?
[08:51] <andylockran> MartijnVdS: Don't think so.
[08:52] <andylockran> RAID5
[08:52] <MartijnVdS> that's the problem :)
[08:52] <MartijnVdS> grub can't do software RAID5
[08:52] <MartijnVdS> that's what it means by "No UUID support for the file system"
[08:53] <andylockran> right
[08:54] <MartijnVdS> if you do software RAID, you have to have a RAID1 (or non-raid) bit for grub to live on
[08:55] <MartijnVdS> and tell the partition tool to put "/boot" on that separate RAID/partition
[08:55] <andylockran> Ok
[08:55] <andylockran> Thanks MartijnVdS
[08:58] <oimon> grrr annoying facebook sidebar...i don't suppose new gwibber will build on lucid?
[08:58] <MooDoo> BigRedS, hmmm i'll just check it out, i'm sure i'll fix it
[08:59] <MooDoo> i'm really not sure about the new gwibber, can you have it show all streams at once like the old one or tweetdeck?
[08:59] <BigRedS> well, unless they snuck in some X breakage between my upgrade and yours :)
[08:59] <MooDoo> BigRedS, might just be my laptop, i'll fix it :D
[08:59] <MooDoo> shouldn't complain seeing as it's only alpha :D
[09:02] <diplo> andylockran, will you be about today ?
[09:03] <BigRedS> MooDoo: yeah, that's what I thought on mine. I was putting off any investigation until I could be arsed, and then somebody fixed it for me :)
[09:03] <BigRedS> I'm a bad alpha tester :(
[09:04] <MooDoo> BigRedS, me too, especially as i use stuff like that on production machines :D lol
[09:04] <HazRPG> morning all
[09:05] <HazRPG> You know, I'm trying to get use to Banshee
[09:05] <HazRPG> does anyone know if banshee saves album covers that you drag to it just in its database? Or can it actually write it to the files themselves?
[09:05] <MooDoo> HazRPG, snap!
[09:06] <HazRPG> MooDoo: Heh :P
[09:07] <HazRPG> See I know the order that Banshee attempts to get album covers, first it looks through the file, then it will look in the folder, then it will look through Rhapsody, then MusicBrainz, then amazon an other sites and then last.fm...
[09:07] <HazRPG> but well the one that was embedded in the file was too tiny, and stretched badly... so I dragged my own
[09:07] <HazRPG> in hopes that it would save it to the file
[09:07] <HazRPG> but I don't think it has
[09:08] <MartijnVdS> it saves it to its db
[09:08] <MartijnVdS> use  musicbrainz picard to get album art into files :)
[09:08] <HazRPG> I was thinking that
[09:08] <HazRPG> I was hoping I didn't have to though :(
[09:08] <MartijnVdS> picard ♥
[09:08] <HazRPG> Yeah I do too, when the albums are badly organised :P
[09:09] <HazRPG> You'd think by now OCremix.org would have their  songs properly done by now :/
[09:10] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: I just buy my CDs :)
[09:10] <gord> new OCRemix stuff is often well organised
[09:10] <HazRPG> gord: true :)
[09:11] <HazRPG> Its Chrono Symphonic that I'm trying to do at the moment
[09:11] <gord> the old stuff is ... yeah, 128kb mp3 with bad tags =\
[09:11] <HazRPG> not all of them :)
[09:11] <HazRPG> I mainly get the album stuff
[09:11] <gord> yeah talking about the albums, the ooold albums
[09:11] <HazRPG> album stuff normally has them as flac if you grab the torrent from them
[09:11] <gord> yeah the oooooooold albums
[09:11] <gord> before anyone wanted to download flacs because they were too big ;)
[09:12] <HazRPG> e.g. Bad Dudes? :P
[09:12] <MartijnVdS> flacs \o/
[09:12]  * MartijnVdS rips his CDs to flac
[09:12] <HazRPG> gord: some of the older stuff seems to have disappeared :(
[09:15] <bigcalm> Hazar!
[09:19] <HazRPG> \o/
[09:19] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Hmm, do you strip out the ID3 tags from FLAC and the APEv2 tags from MP3's with MusicBrainz?
[09:19] <HazRPG> Seems I haven't configured mine since I moved away from windows
[09:19] <HazRPG> :/
[09:21] <popey> Morning all
[09:21] <bigcalm> Hi popey
[09:21] <HazRPG> popey: morning :)
[09:21] <bigcalm> I can haz working aircon again :)
[09:24] <diplo> Anyone use Avaya phone systems at all ?
[09:31] <DJones> bigcalm: What use is working aircon now that summer is over :)
[09:32] <bigcalm> DJones: damn you and your logic!
[09:32]  * BigRedS likes air con whenever the temperature rises above about 16 celsius :)
[09:33] <bigcalm> I might add that this is my car's aircon
[09:33] <bigcalm> Metal boxes can get quite warm
[09:33] <DJones> I've got aircon in mine, but I'd much rather open the windows & sunroof wherever possible
[09:34] <oimon> HazRPG: clementine has the cover manager that you wish banshee had :-\
[09:35] <bigcalm> DJones: not so good when it's very humid
[09:35] <HazRPG> oimon: isn't that the amarok folk?
[09:35] <oimon> HazRPG: it is what amarok should have become :P
[09:36] <HazRPG> oimon: hmm...
[09:36] <oimon> i hate the fact that banshee cover manager doesn't tell you what it's doing, and why it can't get all the covers
[09:37] <HazRPG> I don't mind it not getting the covers, most of the music I own is usually freely distributed - so the cover art is usually released with it
[09:37] <HazRPG> oimon: I must say Clementine is starting to look better, I recall earlier versions when they firsted forked it out
[09:38] <oimon> banshee has a few annoyances that are big enough to make me unhappy enough to switch
[09:38] <HazRPG> interesting... seems they've got MusicBrainz embedded into it
[09:38] <HazRPG> oimon: ironically, I switched from Rhythmbox to Banshee
[09:39] <HazRPG> (still rocking 10.10 here \o/)
[09:42] <oimon> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=540873 << open for 3 years, still doesn't allow album artist view, which means the artist list gets very long even after adding only a couple of compilations
[09:51] <gord> problems with working with computers #1852 - full, constant access to amazon.co.uk
[09:52] <bigcalm> gord: block the site in your firewall :)
[09:54] <BigRedS> oh man, amazon's one-click thing is horrendous
[09:54] <BigRedS> the amount of crap I've bought because it seemed like a good idea for three seconds
[09:55] <gord> one click *and amazon prime* frankly, i'm loosing money if i don't constantly buy stuff i don't need
[09:55] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Hmm, I can't seem to be able to add my own cover art with MusicBrainz :/
[09:56] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Its fine for normal albums, I use the cover album downloader script, but how about stuff that isn't listed on amazon or other "allowed" urls... since I have the actual cover already on my hard drive
[09:56] <HazRPG> I mean, ocremix.org don't really host the album covers, so I can't just reference it into the musicbrainz database site
[09:58] <GreenDance> hi
[09:58] <GreenDance> does $? make sence, is it a command?
[09:59] <GreenDance> i'm trying to find the command for <anything here> and I thought it was $?
[09:59] <GreenDance> i can't remember
[09:59] <bigcalm> GreenDance: do you have a little more context?
[10:00] <GreenDance> bigcalm: what do you mean?
[10:00] <bigcalm> GreenDance: what are you trying to do?
[10:01] <Kirrus> GreenDance: "$?" in bash outputs the exit status of the last command run. But, your request is quite vague, do you want reverse-history command search? history lookup?
[10:03] <GreenDance> Kirrus: in my sudoers file i'm trying to do this "/usr/bin/apt-get install <programme>"
[10:03] <bigcalm> Oh
[10:04] <davmor2> morning all
[10:05] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:05] <davmor2> morning MooDoo how's life?
[10:05]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski 
[10:05] <GreenDance> bigcalm: any ideas please?
[10:06] <dwatkins> GreenDance: I thought the sudoers file listed commands which could be run from specific user accounts for that kind of situation, not an alias for the command itself
[10:06] <MooDoo> davmor2, yeah not bad......oneiric broke on me last night, but i'll cope
[10:06] <dwatkins> ray    rushmore = NOPASSWD: /bin/kill, /bin/ls, /usr/bin/lprm
[10:06] <davmor2> MooDoo: yeap did you see my note on FB for that
[10:06] <MooDoo> davmor2, yes mate
[10:20] <bigcalm> GreenDance: bash isn't my strong point. Sorry I can't help you further
[10:20] <MooDoo> davmor2, don't worry creeping will get me no where :D
[10:21] <GreenDance> bigcalm: ok, thank you
[10:21] <brobostigon> morning everyone.
[10:22] <davmor2> MooDoo: I figured you're wife had more sense but couldn't resist ;)
[10:23]  * davmor2 sends czajkowski to the #naughtystep for not picking on Moodoo nearly enough
[11:19] <Laney> anyone know how to insert spaces in vim to pad a line to a certain length?
[11:27] <dogmatic69> o/
[11:30] <HazRPG> hmm, does brasero not burn cue/wav files?
[11:30] <HazRPG> its been saying "Preparing to write" for a good few minutes now
[11:31] <HazRPG> can't think of any other way to mount the cue/wav either
[11:32] <HazRPG> Laney: why not use tabs?
[11:32] <Laney> how does that help?
[11:32] <voidspace> popey: I'm just installing Ubuntu on my shiny new proliant
[11:33] <Laney> also I couldn't even if it would. It's for my email signature.
[11:33] <voidspace> popey: and I have exactly the same problem you described in your blog entry
[11:33] <voidspace> popey: installing the bootloader on the usb stick instead of the hd
[11:33] <voidspace> popey: so thanks for writing up the fix!
[11:33] <HazRPG> Laney: hmm, if its for e-mail, your probably best off with &nbsp;
[11:34] <HazRPG> unless your e-mails just get sent as plain/text
[11:34] <Laney> err, I'm not using html mail
[11:34] <Laney> it was really a vim question, but never mind — I did it manually
[11:34] <HazRPG> Laney: ah, sorry
[11:34] <HazRPG> try this cheat sheet: http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/vimcheat.html
[11:34] <davmor2> voidspace: Yay popey rocks but don't tell him that ;)
[11:35] <voidspace> davmor2: :-)
[11:36] <bigcalm> That happened when I installed Ubuntu on the Viglen MPC-L
[11:36] <HazRPG> Laney: looking at that cheat sheet, I don't think there's an actual way to insert with just a single key
[11:37] <Laney> I didn't find a way with some googling
[11:37] <HazRPG> I mean you can do: a
[11:37] <Laney> 'insert enough of character until the right hand side is at column x'
[11:37] <HazRPG> then press space
[11:37] <Laney> I want it to calculate 'enough' for me.
[11:37] <HazRPG> ah
[11:38] <BigRedS> I'd do that with a perl oneliner
[11:38] <BigRedS> but I do most things with a perl oneliner
[11:38] <bigcalm> sudo make me a sandwich
[11:39] <HazRPG> bigcalm: sudo take over mind && sudo make sandwich
[11:40] <HazRPG> wow, brasero is still "preparing to write" my cue/wav
[11:40] <HazRPG> surely there must be a way to mount this, just so I can re-rip as flac
[11:40] <Laney> you could clearly do it with sprintf
[11:40] <brobostigon> sudo make me coffee
[11:41]  * davmor2 wonders if sudo should be renamed simon-says
[11:41] <Laney> but the point was I wanted to do it in the text editor
[11:41] <HazRPG> davmor2: too many letters :) I vote for ss instead
[11:41] <HazRPG> ss make sandwich :)
[11:42] <davmor2> HazRPG: No too many second world war connotations with SS how about ssays instead
[11:43] <HazRPG> davmor2: that works :)
[11:43] <HazRPG> or sisays
[11:43] <HazRPG> (cos ssays just sounds like one has a stutter :P)
[11:44] <davmor2> haha
[11:45] <HazRPG> Heh, this amused me: http://www.gruntle.com/lotus/sites/www.gruntle.com/filebrowser/images/blog/.resized_520x390_coder.girl.xkcd.tribute.jpg
[11:48] <HazRPG> I don't think I would contain my laughter if a printer ever said this to me: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/iluvwhenuluvmee/job-fails-sudo-make-me-a-sandwich.jpg
[11:48] <HazRPG> s/would/would be able to/
[11:54] <oimon> my response to sudo make me a sandwich is "this incident has been reported"
[11:55] <BigRedS> To santa?
[11:56] <oimon> i read santa's mail :)
[11:58]  * DJones reports oimon to the police for hacking santa's mail
[11:59] <oimon> it's in his contract he signed
[11:59] <oimon> santa needs a sysadmin like everybody else :)
[11:59] <davmor2> oimon: I saw santa's list your on the naughty side :P
[12:00] <oimon> that's a shame, i had asked for a pony to be delivered to davmor2
[12:01] <davmor2> oimon: That's ok I'm in a flat no room for a pony :P
[12:01] <DJones> Yeah, but don't you need something signed by the people sending him mail as well otherwise you'd reading a 3rd party's mails "by accident", you'll be able to get a job a news of the world investigator
[12:03] <awilkins> HazRPG, That's really easy to do if you have the HP printers
[12:03] <BigRedS> oimon: sysadmin or secretary?
[12:03] <awilkins> HazRPG, A few trivial perl scripts, I think they are easy enough to find online
[12:03] <awilkins> HazRPG, (the INSERT CHEESE thing)
[12:04] <oimon> after reading santa's mail, i have some shocking news for you all
[12:04] <awilkins> We've been naughty?
[12:05] <BigRedS> I thought this was the naughty step? that wouldn't be shocking
[12:05] <oimon> he left the company ages ago and i forgot to close his inbox
[12:08] <awilkins> I wondered why my Charlize Theron hadn't arrived yet
[12:28]  * daubers installs freepbx
[12:36] <andylockran> howdy guys
[12:36] <andylockran> how's things?
[12:38] <MooDoo> not three bad thanks :)
[12:39] <dwatkins> ello andylockran, how do?
[12:40] <brobostigon> andylockran: good afternoon, other than tummy ache, i am fine. and you?
[12:48] <j0nr> hi folks, anyone know if I can install and run u1sdtool on its own on a server (no GUI)
[12:52] <dwatkins> It doesn't seem to like being executed via a GUI-less ssh login, j0nr
[13:00] <oracology> j0nr: i shouldn't say much because i'm not sure what it does, and i can't quite look it up just yet, but perhaps setting it up through autofs + sshfs might do the trick?
[13:01] <Laney> "You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has been automatically rejected"
[13:01] <Laney> nlug--; // moderation, please (or better, allowing unsubscribed people to post)
[13:02] <bigcalm> Spam lies that way
[13:19] <andylockran> any recommendations on a bootdisk to use if the bios doesn't support boot from usb?
[13:20] <j0nr> dwatkins: oracology  hmm, ok thanks
[13:21] <dwatkins> andylockran: I've used smartbootmanager in the past with success
[13:21] <dogmatic69> andylockran: 486? :D
[13:23] <andylockran> dogmatic.. 286
[13:23] <andylockran>  Intel 80286
[13:23] <dwatkins> I miss my 286, it was heavy enough to keep a bunker door open
[13:24] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: back in the cold war... :)
[13:25] <dwatkins> yeah, they were made that long ago
[13:29] <andylockran> fun machines
[14:08] <bigcalm> This isn't fun
[14:08] <bigcalm> svn is just sitting there doing nothing
[14:08] <bigcalm> No network traffic
[14:08] <bigcalm> Can't work out what it's waiting for
[14:12] <gord> svn? =\
[14:12] <gord> i thought we all agreed to never talk about svn again
[14:13] <bigcalm> Then we sould never talk about any vcs :P
[14:14] <BigRedS> I thought vcs arguments were the new editor arguments?
[14:14] <BigRedS> now that everyone uses vi
[14:14]  * BigRedS runs 
[14:18]  * bigcalm reboots the company svn server out of despration
[14:20] <bigcalm> That didn't help
[14:20]  * directhex blows ikonia's mind via twitter
[14:28] <awilkins> bigcalm, Is there a wedged transaction in the repository?
[14:29] <awilkins> bigcalm, It's much harder to wedge a FSFS repo, as opposed to a BDB repo, but I have seen it happen once I think
[14:29] <awilkins> bigcalm, If it's a BDB repo... unwedge it, then dump/reload it to FSFS as soon as is humanly practical
[14:30] <awilkins> bigcalm, What's the repo config?
[14:33] <dwatkins> bigcalm: did you run strace on it already?
[14:37] <Azelphur> anyone know of a nice laptop for browsing/general use? Needs to be new with a decent warranty as it's expected to last a long time, thus needs to have a lot of overhead for the task too :P
[14:38] <popey> Thinkpad.
[14:38] <dwatkins> ASUS are apparently fairly reliable, as are Apple's laptops.
[14:38] <Azelphur> didn't they rebrand to ideapad?
[14:38] <Azelphur> yea, I've been aiming at Asus but thinkpads are very nice too, had one when I was younger :)
[14:39] <Azelphur> the thinkpads seem to have horrible celerons in them (at least on ebuyer) looking elsewhere :p
[14:39] <diplo> cheap ones do
[14:39] <BigRedS> my thinkpads's got a lovely isomething
[14:40] <BigRedS> well, I'm told it's not very good but it's done everything I want it to do
[14:40] <Azelphur> yea I'm thinking i3 ballpark
[14:40] <BigRedS> i5 apparently
[14:40] <Azelphur> yea the thinkpads are up £400+ way if you want an i3 :(
[14:41] <Azelphur> Asus have a £350 one that I might be able to nab some window tax refund on
[14:41] <DJones> Azelphur: I got one of these a few months ago the only problem I've found is bluetooth, works great with natty other than that http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/5084791.htm
[14:42] <DJones> Actually, no wasn't that model, mine was i3 & 5gb ram
[14:42] <DJones> 4gb
[14:42] <Azelphur> yea was gonna say, specs on that don't seem all that amazing for the price
[14:42] <DJones> http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/5084849/Trail/searchtext%3EG72.htm
[14:42] <DJones> That one
[14:42] <Azelphur> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/251331 is the best I've found so far :P
[14:43] <Azelphur> lol, asus + better specs + £100 less \o/
[14:43] <DJones> Asus is only 15.6", HP was 17"
[14:43] <Azelphur> ah
[14:43] <DJones> My wife got virtually the same Asus though at the same time
[14:43] <Azelphur> that's where the difference is at :)
[14:43] <Azelphur> have to check with my mum I think she wants a 15 though
[14:44] <Azelphur> she grumbles at my netbook for being too small and my XPS M1730 for being too big
[14:45] <DJones> This is what my wife got http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/asus-a52f-ex1130v-15-6-laptop-red-09809618-pdt.html
[14:45] <Azelphur> fun
[14:45] <Azelphur> how do the intel integrated chips go with compiz now days?
[14:45] <DJones> My HP with Intel HD graphics plays minecraft with no problem
[14:46] <DJones> No problems with natty either, seems to be fully compatible
[14:46] <Azelphur> yea this ones not for gaming, it's mainly compiz/unity support that's required :P
[14:46] <Azelphur> looking more at the 15" asus too, 17" will make my mum grumble
[14:46] <DJones> We both have unity running with no problems
[14:47] <BigRedS> I love how minecraft has become such a universal benchmark test now
[14:47] <Azelphur> cool :)
[14:47] <Azelphur> BigRedS: haha
[14:47] <DJones> BigRedS: I mentioned minecraft because everything I'd read said it had problems with intel graphics, but I've not noticed anything
[14:48] <BigRedS> Ah, no it's just I've seen servers, laptops and PCs compared based on how well they run minecraft now
[14:48] <BigRedS> not for specific problems, probably just 'cause it's heavy enough to cause noticeable load, but light enough that nearly everything can run it
[14:48] <BigRedS> and, of course, it's basically Better Than Life
[14:50]  * daubers wonders why freepbx comes with cups installed...
[14:50] <BigRedS> haha
[14:50] <BigRedS> I find it hilarious how many systems have cups on them
[14:50] <BigRedS> I guess if it's got a report generator, it might use cups to produce a pdf?
[14:51] <DJones> Azelphur: If you want to know any detailed output on the Asus, ping me in a few hours, I can run lspci/lsusb etc for more info on the hardware if you want
[14:52] <Azelphur> cool ty, I'm probably looking at the ebuyer one though it's got a better CPU for less money :P
[14:52] <DJones> Yeah, but they look almost the same machine with minor variations hdd size etc
[14:53] <DJones> Same base model as well X52
[14:53] <Azelphur> cool :)
[14:54]  * popey notes as "odd" that Azelphur will spend thousands of pounds on a bitcoin mining setup, but skimps on a laptop for daily use
[14:54] <popey> EMAKESNOSENSE
[14:54] <Azelphur> popey: because bitcoin mining setup pays for itself and because this laptop isn't for me?
[14:55] <DJones> Azelphur: Sounds like the laptop is an ideal target for mumbuntu :)
[14:55] <popey> ahhhh
[14:55] <Azelphur> DJones: indeed :)
[14:55] <gord> if your looking for a new laptop and its not an X220, shame on you ;)
[14:55] <Azelphur> haha only £1000
[14:55] <oimon> X220 tablet arrived today :D
[14:56] <oimon> not for me though  i got to play with it :(
[14:56] <gord> Azelphur, from lenovo? base was about £640 or so, with addons i got mine for £800 or so
[14:56]  * BigRedS agrees with gord
[14:56] <Azelphur> oh :)
[14:56] <davmor2> MooDoo: what was your issue with oneiric
[14:56] <Azelphur> still over budget though, looking around the £300 area
[14:56] <gord> i can sell you a cardboard box with "COMPOOTER" written on it for £300
[14:57] <Azelphur> she currently lives reasonably happily on a P4 1.6ghz to give you some idea
[14:57] <BigRedS> p-p-p-p-p-p-pick up a powerbook?
[14:57] <Azelphur> it just needs a little more power and a nice warranty
[14:58] <Mez> Anyone any good with grub2?
[14:58] <Mez> Seems someones cocked up somewhere
[14:58] <gord> i miss grub1, i understood that =\ feel like i need a degree for grub2...
[14:58] <MooDoo> davmor2, it logged in then just left me at a purple screen.......the wallpaper no icons.....it was late i didn't investigate
[14:58] <BigRedS> I think the cock up was switching to grub2
[14:58] <BigRedS> or in its 'design'
[14:58] <BigRedS> and i'm still not quite over the fact that grub2 is grub version 1.99
[14:59] <davmor2> MooDoo: try clicking on other, then use your nick and password to login
[14:59] <Mez> well, for whatever reason, grub2 won't install - and is throwing a wobbly.
[14:59] <MooDoo> davmor2, ok will try when i get home...is it a known issue?
[15:00] <davmor2> MooDoo: kinda I just hit it myself, I was surprise that it wasn't asking for my password
[15:00] <BigRedS> Mez: what's the error
[15:00] <MooDoo> ah ok
[15:01] <BigRedS> grub-mkdevicemap fixes most of the grub problems I've had with 2
[15:01] <popey> LION!
[15:01] <BigRedS> but that's recommended in the error :)
[15:02] <Mez> /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: no mapping exists for `RAID-root'.
[15:02] <Mez> Auto-detection of a filesystem module failed.
[15:02] <Mez> Please specify the module with the option `--modules' explicitly.
[15:02] <davmor2> Mez: if you get no look here try speaking to cjwatson on #ubuntu-installer
[15:02] <davmor2> luck even
[15:02] <BigRedS> ooh. I have had that one and I can't remember how I fixed it :(
[15:03] <Mez> davmor2: he's in #grub too :) and I asked in there
[15:03] <Mez> BigRedS: grr
[15:03]  * BigRedS cowers
[15:03] <Mez> BigRedS: no use to me if you can't remember how :D
[15:04] <BigRedS> hah, yeah. Build up your hopes then shoot 'em down :)
[15:04] <stuart> Hello. It is that great point of the afternoon when all has gone wrong.
[15:04] <stuart> And it is all thanks to gnatty-gnarwhal.
[15:09] <stuart> So the story begins. Upgrade to natty. Works ok apart from wireless. Get that fixed by adding the kernel ppa. Fixes problem. Classic Desktop is now not available. So it is unity for me. I turn unity off in Compiz config. Can't do anything now. Luckily have xfce as a backup.
[15:09] <stuart> so... how can I restore Unity or get the classic desktop back???
[15:11] <DJones> !classic
[15:11] <DJones> stuart: Does that not work?
[15:12] <stuart> 'Classic Desktop is now not available'
[15:12] <stuart> The option is gone gonedy gone.
[15:12] <BigRedS> yeah, I guessed that's what you meant by that. Is it just missing from the dropdown?
[15:13] <BigRedS> What did you install from the kernel repo? I don't know what's in it, just a new kernel?
[15:14] <stuart> I just did a full update. I had a few other things needing updated so all was upgraded. Kernel. And everything else.
[15:14] <popey> i dont understand how classic is gone
[15:15] <stuart> And I have 'broken' unity!!!
[15:15] <popey> well, disabling unity in compiz is unwise
[15:15] <popey> you could do this:-
[15:15] <popey> CTRL+ALT+F1
[15:15] <popey> login to console
[15:15] <stuart> We know that now.
[15:15] <popey> run "unity --reset"
[15:15] <stuart> I see.
[15:16] <popey> but I fail to see how classic has gone
[15:18] <stuart> popey, I don't get it either.... but it did and lo and behold, google returned no useful search results into the matter
[15:18] <popey> i would "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^"
[15:18] <popey> and see what packages that brings in
[15:19] <popey> note the ^
[15:21] <stuart> ubuntu-desktop ----- latest version.
[15:21] <stuart> ubuntu-desktop^      requesting impossible request. fair number of other dependencies reqd. broken package etc...
[15:22] <popey> sounds like you have installed some manky rubbish from a ppa or something?
[15:22] <stuart> well who knows. the only things that were installed were really gnome3-dev stuff.
[15:23] <popey> that would do it
[15:25] <popey> 16:22:55 < stuart> well who knows. the only things that were installed were really gnome3-dev stuff.
[15:25] <popey> 16:23:45 < popey> that would do it
[15:25] <stuart> ach well. at least unity is back up....
[15:26] <popey> excellent
[15:26]  * daubers often wonders what they outcry will be when Gnome gets rid of gnome 2.x and just maintains 3.x
[15:27] <popey> meh, people will have some other reason to hate ubuntu, I'm sure
[15:27] <gord> i wonder if they will ever be able to do that, they don't have a fallback
[15:27] <popey> i thought panels were ported to 3.x?
[15:27] <daubers> gord: I don't see how they could maintain both?
[15:27] <gord> by gnome2 i assumed we were talking about the classic panel setup
[15:28] <gord> ie, no shell
[15:28] <daubers> gord: Yup
[15:29] <gord> i would expect that someone will maintain the panel for quite some time though
[15:30] <stuart> I hope so...
[15:30] <stuart> Maybe it should be my lifelong goal!
[15:38] <bigcalm> awilkins: what is a wedged transction? What are FSFS and BDB repos? I feel so dumb
[15:39] <bigcalm> The strace is pausing on a read action
[15:40] <bigcalm> popey: did you say that the revo uses an IDE HDD?
[15:43] <stuart> popey, good news is that i can still run the panels... so they are still there woot!
[15:43] <popey> uhhhhm
[15:43] <popey> bigcalm: cant remember
[15:43] <popey> bigcalm: one mo
[15:43] <popey> bigcalm: no, I said the Viglen does
[15:43] <bigcalm> Ah, that was it
[15:43] <bigcalm> Ta
[15:43] <bigcalm> Wondering if I should put an SSD in the revo or not
[15:44] <popey> i cant get to my revo atm
[15:44] <bigcalm> http://support.acer.com/acerpanam/desktop/2009/acer/aspire/AspireR3610/AspireR3610sp2.shtml
[15:44] <bigcalm> Is it a 3610 we have?
[15:45] <bigcalm> Ah, no
[15:45] <bigcalm> 3600
[15:48] <bigcalm> http://support.acer.com/acerpanam/desktop/2009/acer/aspire/AspireR3600/AspireR3600sp2.shtml
[15:48] <bigcalm> Ooo, it can take up to 4gb of ram
[15:51] <DJones> Heh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA2kqAIOoZM
[15:52] <DJones> I must say I'm more productive in work since the mc server went down
[15:53] <BigRedS> Is there a simple way to have MySQL output a few rows in some way I can feed into another mysql client to insert them into a table? It's just a simple select on a table that produces the rows
[15:55] <bigcalm> select into server.database.table ?
[15:56] <oimon> argh just had a disaster..quota limit got reached on my account and loads of files got zeroed :( including thunderbird configs and .gconf stuff
[15:56] <bigcalm> Ouch
[15:56] <directhex> @_@
[15:56] <oimon> kde handles disk full/quota limit a lot better than gnome
[15:57] <oimon> luckily i was able to restore from yesterdays backup, but took an hour of faffing
[15:57] <popey> ouch
[15:59] <awilkins> bigcalm, Subversion has 2 options for data storage in the repository ; i) Berkeley DB (this is very old and seldom used now ii) FSFS (filesystem, filesystem) ; Subversion is a filesystem with an additional dimension (revision) - this is a filesystem store, of that filesystem
[16:00] <awilkins> bigcalm, BDB backends would frequently get "wedged" (in a stuck state), which is one reason why they are not used so much any more. An admin would need to go in and execute a command to unwedge a BDB repo in such a state
[16:00] <bigcalm> awilkins: aha, thank you for clearing that up :)
[16:01] <awilkins> bigcalm, I have seen one occasion where a transaction failed in an FSFS repository, wedging it, but usually such failures just leave some detritus (transaction folders with files in)lying around
[16:01] <bigcalm> I've tried to check out a fresh copy of a repo to a new dir. It does some and then freezes
[16:01] <bigcalm> Next to try it on another server away from my connection
[16:01] <awilkins> bigcalm, Not so sure about that as a symptom
[16:02] <awilkins> bigcalm, If you have shell access to the server in question, try checking it out via the file:// protocol straight to the repository
[16:02] <awilkins> bigcalm, Checking a large repo can take time but may be worthwhile.
[16:03] <bigcalm> Just check it out onto my Bytemark server without issue
[16:03] <bigcalm> It's something with my connection. Thank you VM
[16:03] <awilkins> Heh
[16:03] <bigcalm> Can you slow down the checkout process?
[16:03] <awilkins> bigcalm, I presume it's via the webdav plugin for Apache?
[16:04] <oimon> has anyone noticed the swizz going on with toner lately? old printer, 2000 page toner=£33, new printer 1600 page toner=£47
[16:04] <awilkins> bigcalm, One thing I have seen problems with in the past (but not recently) is when the DEFLATE extension is enabled
[16:04] <bigcalm> No, it's rather secure svn:// :(
[16:04] <bigcalm> Erm, s/secure/insecure
[16:04] <awilkins> ssh+svn://  I don't have experience with
[16:05] <awilkins> Not so much with svn:// either, mostly http://
[16:05] <oimon> http://birdabroad.wordpress.com/2011/07/20/are-you-listening-steve-jobs/
[16:05]  * bigcalm tests with a server in Canada
[16:05] <awilkins> Suggestion ; install Bazaar on this other server, pull the branch you want into a repository there, and scp it to your local box :-)
[16:05] <oimon> fake apple store, whose staff believe work for apple
[16:06]  * awilkins prefers Bazaar to git for SVN interop but git-svn also works well
[16:08] <bigcalm> Bytemark -> Bytemark works ok. Bytemark -> Canada works ok. Bytemark -> home VM cable connection fails
[16:08] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: how about home -> canada?
[16:09] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: what would that prove?
[16:09] <MartijnVdS> that the triangle is complete :)
[16:09] <bigcalm> :)
[16:09] <bigcalm> rm YaManicKill
[16:09] <bigcalm> Erm, oops :)
[16:10] <DJones> bigcalm: You need a sudo before that command
[16:10] <bigcalm> window and tab failure
[16:13] <bigcalm> Oh great, now my scp has stalled
[16:13] <bigcalm> I get the feeling that VM are 'managing' my connection
[16:14] <brobostigon> is it possible to make irssi also record date, in its logs?
[16:14] <bigcalm> Or the modem/router has failed
[16:19] <DJones> brobostigon: My irssi logs show the date at the start of the log & if the date changes then it shows a date changed line, not sure about including the date & timestamp together though
[16:20] <brobostigon> DJones: yes, i am interested in doing the latter of those possibilities. ohwell. thank you.
[16:23] <DJones> brobostigon: See Appendix C for the time formats andthere is a log_timestamp = %H:%M section about a quarter of the way down the site
[16:23] <DJones> http://www.irssi.org/documentation/settings
[16:23] <brobostigon> DJones: yes, i am just looking at that, i think i could add date variables to that.
[16:29] <brobostigon> DJones: got it, i have set it to "%F %H:%M:%S"
[16:48] <piffer> Hello
[16:48] <piffer> I am trying to get Grub2 to boot my Windows XP partition and failing
[16:48] <piffer> I recently backed up and restored a failing HD to a new HD
[16:49] <piffer> Both partitions are now present, but XP wont boot
[16:49] <piffer> fdisk -l shows sda2 as a Linux partition, which is wrong...
[16:49] <piffer> that is my Windows Partition
[16:49] <piffer> Also, GParted shows sda2 as an NTFS partition
[16:49] <piffer> So I fear Grub is confused
[16:52] <piffer> Can anyone help?
[16:55] <brobostigon> piffer: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 it says on their, how to manually point grub2 at the right places.
[16:55] <brobostigon> there*
[16:55] <piffer> Thanks, but I've already tried all those solutions
[16:55] <piffer> I'm pointing Grub at the correct location, I believe: hd0,2
[16:57] <brobostigon> i dont know alot about grub. so cant really help much further myself. sorry.
[16:57] <piffer> No problem.  Thanks anyway, bro.
[16:57] <brobostigon> piffer: stick around. someone with more knowledge will answer.
[16:58] <piffer> I will.  Thanks. :)
[16:58] <brobostigon> :)
[17:01] <bigcalm> I would say fix the mbr in windows and then reinstall grub
[17:01] <bigcalm> So you might need to sort out a windows boot disc
[17:03] <piffer> ah
[17:03] <piffer> That could be it
[17:03] <piffer> Can I fix the mbr from within Linux in any way?
[17:22] <dwatkins> I was about to answer, but they left.
[17:34] <piffer> Can anyone help me with my Grub 2 Windows loading problem>?
[17:35] <AlanBell> all looking forward to the geeknic at the weekend?
[18:26] <piffer111_> Argh!
[18:26] <piffer111_> Still can't get Windows booting from Grub 2
[18:27] <piffer111_> I've installed ms-sys to run fixmbr
[18:27] <piffer111_> But Windows is on sda2, not sda1
[18:27] <piffer111_> I don't want to risk messing up my Linux partition
[18:28] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: I am :)
[18:28] <MartijnVdS> piffer111_: What "windows booting problem" do you have exactly? Is it covered by the Grub 2 HOWTO?
[18:28] <MartijnVdS> !grub2
[18:29] <piffer111_> Marti: I've read the how to.  The problem isn't the Grub 2 entires, I don't think.
[18:29] <piffer111_> Marti: The problem is that the mbr is screwed - I think.
[18:29] <MartijnVdS> piffer111_: if grub starts, the MBR is fine
[18:30] <piffer111_> Marti: I've tried all the various configurations to get Windows to boot - it just hangs.
[18:30] <piffer111_> Marti: Oh.  :(
[18:30] <MartijnVdS> did you move windows from one partition to another?
[18:30] <MartijnVdS> or did the partition number change in some wya?
[18:30] <piffer111_> Marti: Yes.  Sort of.  I backed up a HD with each partition.  And then restored a new HD with the old partitions.
[18:30] <MartijnVdS> that could be the problem
[18:31] <piffer111_> Marti: But the Gurb 2 entries look correct.
[18:31] <MartijnVdS> Windows is VERY sensitive to those things
[18:31] <piffer111_> Marti: Any suggestions?
[18:31] <piffer111_> Marti: I also have another related issue: when I do fdisk -l
[18:31] <MartijnVdS> No idea
[18:32] <piffer111_> Sda1 appears as Linux
[18:32] <piffer111_> BUT sda2 also appears as Linux
[18:32] <piffer111_> And it should be NTFS
[18:32] <piffer111_> Although Gparted recognises it properly.
[18:32] <piffer111_> :(
[18:32] <MartijnVdS> sounds like you didn't restore your backups properly?
[18:32] <piffer111_> Dunno... The Linux partition restored perfectly.  They were clones...
[18:46] <daubers> lalala
[18:46] <piffer111_> Do I need to trick Windows in to thinking that it's the first partition on the first drive, rather than second partition on the first drive?
[18:53] <dogmatic69_> o/
[18:58] <DJones> For info "working with other groups in your community (pleia2) is starting in a few minutes in #ubuntu-classroom" May be worth dropping in for anybody who may be involved with working with other groups
[19:05] <Azelphur> lol, giffgaff sends all the information about a package (Price, End date, etc) as post data
[19:05] <Azelphur> herp derp security \o/
[19:06] <Azelphur> that said, it seems to disregard most of the information, I tried to tell it fun things like charge me 1p for an unlimited £25/mo package and it ignored me. :(
[19:07] <Azelphur> I also stripped out all of the pointless information it doesn't use and just gave it the goodybag name, which worked fine
[19:07] <Azelphur> they also have some weird "login token" for logging in, besides a username and password, giffgaff developers are weird.
[19:27] <popey> AlanBell: what was the politics talk you gave last year?
[19:27] <popey> at oggcamp
[19:27] <AlanBell> votegeek
[19:27] <popey> thats it
[19:27] <AlanBell> all about the election and why you should vote
[19:28] <AlanBell> and the different possible outcomes
[19:28] <hamitron> I bet that is hard to talk about, without upsetting someone?
[19:28] <hamitron> ;)
[19:30] <GreenDance> evening all
[19:31] <BigRedS> G'morning!
[19:32] <GreenDance> I would like to create a bash script, can a bash script be set to takeover the whole screen and change the background color?
[19:32] <AlanBell> hamitron: not really, I wasn't at all partisan
[19:33] <AlanBell> it was more about the voting rules and the different hung parliament possibilities
[19:33] <BigRedS> GreenDance: sort-of. You can in the bash script send commands to the bits responsible for the background colour, and spawn full-screen windows. It might not be that portable, though - wWhat is it that you're aiming to do?
[19:33] <hamitron> ah :)
[19:34] <GreenDance> BigRedS: I am aiming to create a script that is user friendly and looks nice :)
[19:35] <BigRedS> user friendly probably isn't spawning full screen windows and messing around with the background colour...
[19:35] <BigRedS> :)
[19:37] <GreenDance> BigRedS: do you know of any examples of user friendly bash scripts please?
[19:39] <BigRedS> GreenDance: it depends upon your definition of 'user friendly'. Normally (IME/IMO) it's something that just gets on with whatever I want it to do without faffing or getting in the way
[19:39] <BigRedS> it sounds like that's not your definition :)
[19:39] <shauno> nvidia's run.sh's used to be dialog-based
[19:39] <hamitron> used to be?
[19:40] <hamitron> didn't realise they'd changed it
[19:40] <hamitron> :-o
[19:43] <shauno> it may still be, I just haven't used it in forever
[19:43] <shauno> the least contentious reason being that I don't have nvidia anymore :)
[19:44] <hamitron> :))
[19:44] <hamitron> don't the ati ones use a proper gui?
[19:45] <shauno> dunno, I've always installed that from apt
[19:47] <hamitron> I think it was the thing AMD provide, that I buiilt a .deb with
[19:47] <hamitron> looks really nice
[20:12] <michelle_> Apologies, anyone know the channel for Cinelerra support?
[20:13] <Azelphur> michelle_: #cinelerra
[20:13] <michelle_> Many thanks!
[20:59] <cbx33> hi all
[20:59] <popey> hullo
[20:59] <cbx33> sudo update-alternatives --config wish     --    what would this affect in ubuntu 11.04
[21:01] <popey> !info wish
[21:01] <popey> its a virtual package
[21:02] <cbx33> http://puredata.info/docs/faq/on-gnu-linux-the-fonts-are-strange-and-or-too-big-or-small - for example
[21:29] <bigcalm> SSDs are cool
[21:30] <popey> :D
[21:30] <popey> http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2011/07/20/s04e11-the-trooper/
[21:46]  * StevenR wonders when the approval application is due
[21:47] <shauno> ugh.  the pain of updating your OS, and being told wget has disappeared again
[21:48] <jamesdc> Hey, has anybody here have any experience with using Ubuntu and FakeRAIDs?
[21:49] <StevenR> jamesdc: I use mdraid
[21:52] <jamesdc> The problem is, I wouldn't mind using a software raid, however i'd still like to be able  to duel boot and use windows. I'm just having trouble getting ubuntu to recognise my raid array as one big drive, it still sees them as multiple drives
[21:54] <cbx33> with update alternatives is there a way to see the current setting?
[22:00] <BigRedS> cbx33: list-alternatives I think
[22:00] <cbx33> oh
[22:00] <cbx33> ok
[22:00] <BigRedS> jamesdc: I've none myself, but most I've seen isn't pleasant.
[22:02] <jamesdc> It looks like the best way to do it is having a linux software raid on some partitions on each HHD, and then a windows software raid on some partitions on each HHD BigRedS. Apparently fakeraids are rubbish
[22:03] <BigRedS> yeah, they are. That much I know about them :)
[22:03] <BigRedS> If you want to raid it, that's about your only way I think
[22:03] <BigRedS> I'd not trust asking either OS to read and write to a sw raid of the other :)
[22:04] <BigRedS> but, yeah, fakeraid isn't usd *that* much and it requires a peculiarly large amount of hardware support so it's quite neglected. And it's not very good anyway
[22:04] <jamesdc> Yes I agree. Although i'm a little anxious about letting windows have a raid again. The last time I had a software raid it made a real mess and a lost quite a bit of data
[22:04] <BigRedS> well, what do you want the raid for?
[22:06] <jamesdc> Well i've got 4x640GB drives, and an SSD aswell as a big 2TB HHD now. So, the SSD takes the OSes and the new 2TB HHD takes my media. So i'm left with 4x640GB HHDs that I might aswell raid into either a raid 1+0, or raid 5
[22:06] <jamesdc> Although, I will struggle to fill them, I just don't like wasting hardware
[22:06] <BigRedS> I'd just use one drive and backup onto the other...
[22:08] <jamesdc> Yeah I suppose I should, although I might aswell raid them and try to get extra speed since anything important i'll have backed up on an external drive which is the 2TB one
[22:08] <BigRedS> are you actually I/O bound?
[22:09] <jamesdc> What do you mean?
[22:09] <BigRedS> I'm always skeptical of adding the complexity of a raid for no real reason. Unless there's a good reason not to I'd much rather throw my bits straight at the disks
[22:09] <BigRedS> well, if you're never maxing your i/o bandwidth, then there's no point trying to get faster i/o
[22:10] <jamesdc> Yeah your right. I think i'll go for the raid 1+0, since that way it uses all the drives and backs up at the same time
[22:10] <jamesdc> I just hate wasting hardware!
[22:10] <BigRedS> raid isn't a backup. it's failover
[22:10] <jamesdc> Yeah
[22:11] <jamesdc> Okay, how about a raid 0, using three drives, plus the 4th drive for a manual backup?
[22:12] <BigRedS> I don't mind what you do :) I'd keep it simple and use one drive for data and rsync it repeatedly to the other one
[22:13] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ubuntu UK Podcast] S04E11  The Trooper - http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2011/07/20/s04e11-the-trooper/
[22:14] <jamesdc> Shall do BigRedS, thanks