[03:44] <Guest70950> hello
[03:45] <jthan> Hello
[03:47] <jthan> How's it going?
[03:48] <Guest70950> hey
[03:48] <Guest70950> I was looking for help getting a working flash player for xbuntu
[03:52] <jthan> Ahh.
[03:52] <jthan> Alright
[03:52] <jthan> Are you familiar with the terminal?
[03:53] <Guest70950> no, srorry for the long reply times
[03:53] <jthan> That's fine - I'm here for awhile.
[03:53] <jthan> Do you know how to use the Ubuntu software center?
[03:54] <Guest70950> not really, but Im just not sure what that is
[03:54] <jthan> It should be under your applications menu.
[03:54] <Guest70950> its up
[03:54] <jthan> k - type in "flashplayer-nonfree"
[03:54] <jthan> See if any packages come up.
[03:55] <Guest70950> type into search box nothing cam up for nonfree
[03:55] <Guest70950> but for just flashplayer somthing came up
[03:55] <jthan> What is it called?
[03:56] <Guest70950> adobe flash plugin
[03:56] <jthan> That's what you're looking for
[03:56] <Guest70950> thank you
[03:57] <Guest70950> I'm so used to windows that was a little traumatizing
[03:57] <jthan> Sure - try it out and let me know if it works
[03:57] <jthan> Oh we've all been there.
[03:57] <Guest70950> its taking a minute to download
[03:58] <Guest70950> Ive got to go check something will you be here in 7 minutes or less?
[03:59] <Guest70950> and how do I change my name from guest?
[04:00] <jthan> In here?
[04:00] <jthan> type "/nick desirednick" without the quotes
[04:02] <Guest70950> hmm
[04:02] <jthan> didn't work?
[04:02] <jthan> what IRC client?
[04:02] <Guest70950> lol idk
[04:04] <Guest70950> That flash player works thanks again
[04:04] <jthan> Good stuff
[04:04] <jthan> anytime
[04:05] <Guest70950> name thing still doesnt work, but I gotta go eat, bye bye
[04:05] <jthan> Later! Come back soon
[09:35] <JonathanD> Morning.
[09:40] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[09:40] <JonathanD> hey hey
[09:40] <rmg51> o/
[09:40] <rmg51> \o
[09:40] <rmg51> \o/
[09:54] <JonathanD> how are ya?
[09:55] <JonathanD> 133.
[09:55] <JonathanD> 7 to go.
[09:59] <rmg51> well, at least one of our bots is still working :-D
[10:01] <JonathanD> heh :p
[10:01] <JonathanD> 3 more days til I shut up ;)
[10:02] <rmg51> until the next event
[10:02] <rmg51> but it still looks like andrew killed PennBot
[10:03] <JonathanD> clearly pennbot should take over this for me.
[10:03] <JonathanD> rmg51: don't worry. WE don't start meeting for the 2012 thing until July 30th.
[10:04] <rmg51> only 10 days and counting ;-)
[10:15] <JonathanD> you figure out if you're joining us yet?
[10:21] <rmg51> not looking good
[10:21] <rmg51> Teddy will have to miss this one
[10:25] <JonathanD> where are you again?
[10:25] <JonathanD> where is teddy again, really
[10:25] <JonathanD> I think pleia2 would be very dissapointed if she didn't get to see teddy
[10:29] <rmg51> Teddy would be very disappointed if he didn't get to see Stitch :P
[10:31] <rmg51> breakfast time
[10:34] <JonathanD> rmg51: perhaps I could come get teddy.
[11:01] <rmg51> long detour for you
[11:02] <rmg51> you would be headed in the wrong direction
[11:03] <JonathanD> rmg51: not en-route
[11:03] <JonathanD> I was thinking maybe tomorrow
[11:10] <rmg51> I have no problem withnthat as long as you are willing to take care of the little guy
[11:11] <rmg51> and bring him back :-D
[11:20] <rmg51> time to head out to work
[11:20] <rmg51> back in a while
[11:26] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all!
[12:09] <andrew> rmg51: He'll be back
[12:10] <DJAshnar> Baconz!
[12:39] <rmg51> andrew: as good as before or just a shadow of himself? :-/
[12:44] <andrew> same old PennBot
[12:45] <andrew> I was going to bring him right back up yesterday, but got a few freenode connection errors, so I gave it some time
[12:50] <rmg51> like I said yesterday, it's all JonathanDs fault :-D
[12:50] <DJAshnar> Warcraft is DOWN :(
[14:37] <JonathanD> rmg51: probably.
[18:09] <jthan> Any PHP-ers out there care to check something out for me?
[18:09] <JonathanD> 6 spots left
[18:10] <jthan> I am trying to write an if else statement that evaluates a radio button input from an HTML form. Depending upon which radio button is selected changes the receipient of the email sent out at the end of the php file.
[18:12] <JonathanD> should be simple
[18:12] <JonathanD> I'll take a look in a bit if you like
[18:12] <JonathanD> My work desktops video card just fried, and I need to get that working first...
[18:13] <JonathanD> source somewhere?
[18:13] <JonathanD> etherpad or something like it is good
[18:14] <jthan> One second - i'll put it on paste2
[18:14] <jthan> Don't laugh at my three if statements. It's just a last-ditch effort since my if else didn't work
[18:14] <jthan> JonathanD: I'm going to PM if it's alright because it contains email addresses
[18:14] <JonathanD>  thats fine.
[18:40] <jthan> JonathanD++
[18:40] <jthan> @karma JonathanD
[18:40] <PennBot> jthan: Karma for "JonathanD" has been increased 3 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 3.
[18:46] <MutantTurkey> o/
[18:55] <pleia2> I'm doing a "working with other groups" session for community week over in #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat if anyone is interested in attending :) (I feature some pennsylvania projects! yay pa!)
[19:08] <ChinnoDog> gobble gobble
[19:20] <JonathanD> We've aquired extra chairs.
[19:20] <JonathanD> I'm upping the max by 5.
[19:20] <ChinnoDog> Next there will be cusions on the floor
[19:20] <ChinnoDog> Maybe you can stack attendees on top of each other
[19:20] <JonathanD> theres a kung fu place on the 3rd floor
[19:21] <JonathanD> maybe we can borrow the mats
[19:21] <ChinnoDog> You can hang them from the ceiling
[19:22] <MutantTurkey> gobble gobble
[19:22] <ChinnoDog> You can open up a new site in SF with stereoscopic teleconference system
[19:22] <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: that I'd like to do.
[19:22] <ChinnoDog> Its doable.
[19:23] <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: but first we're going to get our own place here ;)
[19:23] <ChinnoDog> In fact, you could let anyone open a site that had enough people and was willing ot acquire the equipment
[19:24] <JonathanD> I need you all to pitch in so I can buy this warehouse in bridgeport and turn it into a conference center, k?
[19:24] <JonathanD> it's $24,000 a year. Quite a steal.
[19:24] <ChinnoDog> So, how much do we owe you then?
[19:24] <JonathanD> I have $7 so far.
[19:24] <x_hochiBisjeK> ha
[19:27] <ChinnoDog> JonathanD: better start charging a cover fee for those geknics
[19:27] <MutantTurkey> JonathanD: I can give you emotional support.
[19:27] <MutantTurkey> thats about it
[19:27] <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: we've been making a small profit on the camping trips.
[19:28] <JonathanD> But that comes out to about $67 saved up, so far. Still won't get very far :P
[19:29] <ChinnoDog> I would pay for a fractional warehouse if I could live there too
[19:30] <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: it's not big enough for that.
[19:30] <JonathanD> THe place is 3,000 sq foot.
[19:30] <JonathanD> $8 a foot
[19:30] <rmg51> JonathanD: you should talk to jedijf
[19:30] <JonathanD> big enough for a bunch of people to live in, OR an event space ,but not really both.
[19:31] <rmg51> he has warehouse space
[19:31] <JonathanD> rmg51: this is very long term planning. but I plan on talking to a bunch of local groups and seeing what might be possible.
[19:31] <ChinnoDog> JonathanD: How many feet do you need to live?
[19:31] <rmg51> not sure if he can let it out
[19:31] <rmg51> also it's in NJ
[19:32] <JonathanD> or something.
[19:32] <JonathanD> rmg51: I'll talk to him. post fosscon. or at fosscon.
[19:32] <JonathanD> Scott had this idea of holding events in "for rent" spaces.
[19:32] <JonathanD> in exchange we would sweep and clean on our way out.
[19:33] <JonathanD> and maybe paint.
[19:33] <JonathanD> stuff like that.
[19:33] <ChinnoDog> Lets see.. lets think studio apt. 400ft^2 studios exist
[19:33] <JonathanD> it's not a bad idea.
[19:33] <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: yes, you can live in 200sq foot
[19:33] <JonathanD> a single person.
[19:33] <JonathanD> When I was in high school I did floorplans of spaces like that all the time.
[19:33] <JonathanD> No wait, no I didn't. I was listening to the teacher. Thats right.
[19:33] <rmg51> Giant in Willow Grove has conference space
[19:34]  * JonathanD nods
[19:34] <ChinnoDog> 200ft^2 per person?
[19:34] <MutantTurkey> rmg51: which is nice
[19:34] <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: minimum(ish). you can probably slice off a bit with each new person.
[19:34] <JonathanD> I did a design for these 300sq foot stackable pods suitable for 2 people.
[19:35] <JonathanD> bath, tiny kitchen with table/couch thing, swivelmount TV to move between bedspace and couchspace.
[19:36] <ChinnoDog> Well, if you divide into 200ft^2 units and you make being movable/collapsable a requirement, we are down to $133/mo per unit
[19:36] <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: you need halls :P
[19:36] <ChinnoDog> Some people would pay that to have a room to sleep in near town
[19:36] <ChinnoDog> ok, maybe $150 after the halls
[19:37] <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: this would be fine if we could find, say a 6000 sq foot space, turn half of it into living, the other half into event space, and then use the living space to subsidize the rest ;)
[19:37] <JonathanD> There are a lot of spaces like this along the river starting around norristown and heading into the city.
[19:37] <JonathanD> My impression has been that norristown is the cheapest.
[19:37] <ChinnoDog> How often do events happen? Just require all the live-ins to fold up their condos for events. They are the pepole attending!
[19:38] <JonathanD> rmg51: yes, I've been to that one.
[19:39] <ChinnoDog> How big are shipping crates, like the kind they use on ships? Everyone could live in one of those and you could install a hoist and stack them during events
[19:39] <rmg51> free for registered non-profits
[19:39] <JonathanD> rmg51: basekamp is one.
[19:39] <JonathanD> if we can operate under their umbrella for events.
[19:39] <rmg51> or PACS
[19:39] <JonathanD> or PACS
[19:40] <ChinnoDog> ooh. You could stck them and install stairs and leave them like that
[19:40] <JonathanD> rmg51: whats the way to contact them.
[19:40] <ChinnoDog> I would live in a shipping crate
[19:40] <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: put floors on top. Hold event on top of containers.
[19:40] <ChinnoDog> even better!
[19:40] <JonathanD> ensure events include tap dancing at 2am.
[19:40] <ChinnoDog> I could live in the shipping create underworld
[19:42] <ChinnoDog> Would probably look steampunk-ish to be living in metal crates without natural light
[19:43] <JonathanD> run some pipes in them.
[19:43] <JonathanD> vertically
[19:44] <ChinnoDog> JonathanD: let me know when my room is ready
[19:44] <JonathanD> hah :P
[19:45] <rmg51> President at PACSnet.org
[19:45] <JonathanD> http://www.giantfoodstores.com/shareddev/sharedcontent/OurStores/CCCS/comcenter.cfm?CC=CC&tmpstore=CC_427.html is the thing, yes?
[19:45] <PennBot> Title: GIANT® Food Stores (at www.giantfoodstores.com)
[19:46] <rmg51> that's the one
[19:46] <JonathanD> looks like there are multiple of them.
[19:48] <rmg51> only 3 in Pa
[19:48] <JonathanD> ok.
[19:49] <JonathanD> rmg51: I went once for SFD
[19:50] <rmg51> so you know what it's like
[19:50] <JonathanD> yup
[19:50] <JonathanD> entry area, couple classrooms, large classroom.
[19:50] <JonathanD> as I recall
[19:50] <rmg51> the big room holds at least 120
[19:51] <JonathanD> shame theres no convenient place to get food nearby.
[19:51] <JonathanD> rmg51: kidding, of course. Does giant do catering?
[19:51] <rmg51> says so
[19:51] <JonathanD> I'd imagine they have food trays at least.
[19:52] <JonathanD> I remember there being a prepared food place inside.
[19:52] <JonathanD> with a cafe thing.
[19:52] <rmg51> or just go downstairs for a sandwhich
[19:52] <JonathanD> rmg51: and theres train...
[19:53] <JonathanD> other than the max size, this looks pretty good.
[19:53] <JonathanD> we might find 120 awful tight for fosscon next year.
[19:53] <rmg51> hit the wrong button
[19:54] <rmg51> they are fussy about holding to room limits
[19:54] <rmg51> no standing room
[19:55] <rmg51> fill the chairs done
[19:55] <rmg51> time for me to sign off and pack up
[19:56] <rmg51> I'll be back on somewere
[19:56] <rmg51> wrong button again
[19:56] <rmg51> I'll be back on somewhere around 6:30
[20:19] <MutantTurkey> JonathanD: Yeah, 120 would be a squeeze
[20:20] <MutantTurkey> you guys have considered maybe a school/college to host it?
[20:20] <JonathanD> Yes.
[20:20] <JonathanD> There will be a "thing" on the 30th in #fosscon where we'll discuss 2012 location possibilities.
[20:20] <jthan> I love things!
[20:21] <JonathanD> all are invited.
[20:21] <MutantTurkey> jthan: wait you are a mac guy right?
[20:21] <jthan> Kinda, yeah.
[20:21] <jthan> why?
[20:21] <JonathanD> OFF WITH HIS HEAD>
[20:21] <MutantTurkey> I am having an awful time with it.
[20:21] <jthan> "it?"
[20:21] <MutantTurkey> i am finding it very difficult to build software
[20:21] <jthan> obj-c son!
[20:21] <MutantTurkey> and install software that is important
[20:21] <jthan> such as?
[20:22] <jthan> You aren't being very specific :-p
[20:22] <MutantTurkey> I was wanting geany, the editor
[20:22] <MutantTurkey> but ports is telling me i need Xcode 3.1
[20:22] <jthan> vim++
[20:22] <jthan> What do you edit with Geany?
[20:22] <MutantTurkey> jthan: yes, but it won't work for what i need it to do
[20:22] <MutantTurkey> vim++
[20:22] <MutantTurkey> jthan: external editor for firefox
[20:23] <jthan> meh..
[20:23] <MutantTurkey> also, i wanted to build my own browser i wrote, it depends on gtk2 and webkitgtk... but i can't seem to get that either
[20:23] <jthan> macports
[20:23] <MutantTurkey> jthan: 1000+ line wiki pages are a pain in the ass.
[20:23] <jthan> or darwinports
[20:23] <MutantTurkey> jthan: it's being an ass about it.
[20:23] <MutantTurkey> any luck with fink?
[20:23] <jthan> never used that one
[20:23] <MutantTurkey> macports can't do anything because i don't have xcode 3.1
[20:24] <jthan> xcode is a free download from Apple
[20:24] <jthan> You have to apply to be a dev I think
[20:24] <MutantTurkey> i don't think so...
[20:24] <jthan> but then it's free
[20:24] <jthan> and you might like it
[20:24] <MutantTurkey> yeah thats not free.
[20:24] <jthan> It is free
[20:24] <MutantTurkey> that is fucking retarded.
[20:24] <jthan> *shrug*
[20:24]  * MutantTurkey throws change in jar
[20:24] <jthan> Do you want it or not?
[20:24] <MutantTurkey> I don't want to have to apply to use software?
[20:24] <jthan> Why not? it's not like you're signing your life away
[20:24] <jthan> just signing up as a dev
[20:25]  * MutantTurkey stomps off back into his gnu cave
[20:25] <jthan> OOoh
[20:25] <jthan> GNU hurd anyone?
[20:25] <MutantTurkey> jthan: 2012 baby
[20:25] <MutantTurkey> well, they keep pushing back for years..
[20:25] <MutantTurkey> its pretty much duke nukum of the FOSS world
[20:29] <MutantTurkey> jthan: also being stuck on a PPC based computer is really annoying :[
[20:29] <jthan> Who does that?
[20:29] <jthan> intel++
[20:29] <MutantTurkey> agreed.
[20:29] <MutantTurkey> but i don't own this baby...
[20:30] <jthan> Who's is it?
[20:30] <MutantTurkey> drexel's
[20:30] <jthan> steal?
[20:30] <jthan> k don't steal it
[20:30] <MutantTurkey> it would take a few strong men to carry this thinbg out...
[20:31] <jthan> oooh it's one of /them
[20:31] <jthan>  /
[20:31] <MutantTurkey> they are bulky
[20:57] <MutantTurkey> any laptop recommendations? still havent found one :[
[21:01] <jthan> Price range?