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nuvolario/ morning everyone05:46
sakhimorning nuvolari 05:57
superflyhi nuvolari, sakhi06:04
scar[w]morning06:36
Kilosmorning superfly nuvolari  and others07:06
KilosMaaz, coffee on07:06
* Maaz flips the salt-timer07:06
superflyhi Kilos07:06
MaazCoffee's ready for Kilos!07:10
KilosMaaz, ty07:10
MaazEnjoy Kilos07:10
KilosMaaz, google irc for mobile07:11
MaazKilos: "jmIrc - Java mobile IRC-client (J2ME)" http://jmirc.sourceforge.net/ :: "WLIrc wireless IRC Client for mobile phones (j2ME)" http://wirelessirc.sourceforge.net/ :: "k-IRC (Mobile IRC Client)" http://kirc.armondavanes.com/ :: "MobileTech: IRC On Your Mobile" http://tarek.typepad.com/mobtech/2004/12/irc_on_your_mob.html :: ".IRC for Windows Mobile - Free Windows Mobile software downloads ..." http://download.cnet.com/IRC/3000-2150_4-107:11
Kiloswould you suggest the first link for an old nokia superfly 07:13
Kilosi tried jedirc but dont get a mobile version07:13
superflyKilos: can your phone run mxit?07:13
Kilosyessir07:14
superflyOK, then it can run JedIRC07:14
superflyhttp://jedirc.wen9.net/07:14
Kilosty superfly 07:15
Kilosbbnn07:28
nuvolarimôre oom Kilos 07:44
Kilosmore nuvolari het jy gewen met pa se win pc07:45
nuvolariKilos: nee oom :-/ noggie07:50
nuvolarigister antivirus opgesit07:51
nuvolarinou kry ek BSOD elke keer net na hy klaar geboot het07:51
nuvolariek wil ubuntu opsit maar kon nog nie die 3g modem kry om te werk nie07:51
KilosBSOD?07:51
Kilosnuwe modem?07:52
Kilosdit was n pes met ian se vodafone modem ook07:54
Kiloswil jy ubuntu saam met win op sit of win verwyder07:56
Kilosdan is dit makliker om jou foon as n modem te gebruik en modeswitch te installeer en dan die modem te gebruik07:57
Kilosnm sien fone maklik en sonder modeswitch sal die nodem nie werk nie07:58
* Kilos would suggest to the ubuntu dev guys to put modeswitch into the cd not as an installable app08:00
Kilosapp/package08:01
* Kilos waits to be shot down08:02
Kilosi am sure the struggle to get a 3g modem to work is losing us lots of future ubuntu users08:04
Kilosnuvolari, ^^08:09
KilosMaaz, define BSOD08:41
MaazKilos: BSOD /B?S?O?D/  Very common abbreviation for {Blue Screen of Death}. Both spoken and written. 08:41
Kiloseish08:41
kbmonkeyhello Kilos 08:50
Kilosmorning kbmonkey 08:51
KilosMaaz, kbmonkey ++ for lightening maiatodays work load08:52
MaazKilos: What?08:52
Kiloslol08:52
kbmonkeyhe he08:52
kbmonkeyMaaz, coffee on08:52
* Maaz flips the salt-timer08:52
KilosMaaz, coffee please08:55
MaazKilos: Done08:55
MaazCoffee's ready for kbmonkey and Kilos!08:56
KilosMaaz, thanks man08:57
MaazKilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)08:57
kbmonkeyMaaz, thanks08:57
Maazkbmonkey: No problem08:57
kbmonkeyMaaz, fortune08:57
Maazkbmonkey: If you laid all of our laws end to end, there would be no end.   -- Mark Twain08:57
kbmonkey:D08:58
Kiloslol08:58
scar[w]Kilos: ek stem saam mense sukkel met die 3g modems09:04
kbmonkeyja, my 3G also had to hack to work in Lucid :/09:05
scar[w]baie mense kry maar net routers wat hulle 3g vir hulle dial09:05
kbmonkeymodeswitch and all that goeters09:05
scar[w]I know tp-link works very well09:05
Kilosja. dis n groot pyn. en sonder konneksie kan jy niks doen nie09:06
Kilosdont forget the majority of peeps have one pc at home for emails and saving pics etc and facebook of course09:06
Kilosand very little knowledge other than buying a cd and installing09:07
scar[w]rather large download :O http://www.tp-link.com/en/support/gpl.aspx?type=709:07
* scar[w] wonders what's inside09:07
Kilosyet setting up the nm to use a cellfone as a modem is very easy09:09
* nuvolari heard something about some hero-character's b-day *cough*09:12
Kilosnuvolari, expand09:13
Kiloselaborate09:14
Kilossigh09:14
Kilosvertel meer09:14
Kiloslo sakhi afrodeity 09:17
kbmonkeylo afrodeity sakhi 09:17
pphhi guys09:27
Kiloshi pph 09:27
pphanybody here running a webserver?09:27
Kilosmust be someone that is. stick around09:30
pphlol09:30
Kilosthe guys are just very busy so it requires patience but someone will help you soonish09:32
Kilosbut what is the problem you are having pph 09:33
pphim in no rush. think ive figured my problem out anyway09:33
pphwanted to know of their ftp setups with virtual hosts 09:33
Kilosits better to always say what your prob is 09:33
superflypph: don't use FTP09:33
pphlol its a webserver09:34
kbmonkeyhello pph09:34
pphhey09:34
superflypph: don't use FTP09:34
pphsftp?09:34
superflyyes09:34
pphk ;)09:34
pphim using vsftpd09:35
superflypph: http://www.43folders.com/2008/07/14/dump-ftp09:40
superflythe original blog post is no longer available, but that's a good run down of what it used to say09:41
pphthx ill have a look now09:43
inetprogood morning09:48
inetprosuperfly: nice link09:49
Kiloslo inetpro 09:49
inetproMaaz: ftp09:49
Maazinetpro, The File Transfer Protocol (FTP) predates the common use (and possibly even the invention) of concepts such as Network Address Translation (NAT) and firewalls. FTP Must Die!!! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie09:49
superflyhi inetpro, thanks09:49
superflyah, that's the one I'm thinking of... FTP Must Die09:49
inetprosuperfly: perhaps we should add yours to Maaz?09:50
inetproshort and sweet09:50
superflyadd it, sure, but leave that one in there09:50
inetproI find many people struggling to read anything longer than a tweet these days09:51
Kiloslol09:51
inetproKilos: heh09:51
inetproMaaz: ftp is also Time to Dump FTP http://www.43folders.com/2008/07/14/dump-ftp See also FTP must Die!! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie09:53
Maazinetpro: One learns a new thing every day09:53
inetproMaaz: ftp09:54
Maazinetpro, The File Transfer Protocol (FTP) predates the common use (and possibly even the invention) of concepts such as Network Address Translation (NAT) and firewalls. FTP Must Die!!! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie09:54
inetproMaaz: ftp09:54
Maazinetpro: ftp is Time to Dump FTP http://www.43folders.com/2008/07/14/dump-ftp See also FTP must Die!! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie09:54
Kilosmorning drubin confluency 10:11
confluencyMorning10:12
drubinmorning Kilos 10:31
nuvolariKilos: die vlieg oom :P10:38
nuvolariof dis wat skype sê :?10:38
queeryweird10:42
nuvolariqueery: weird weird, or weird?10:48
nuvolariMaaz: tell kbmonkey tint2 ftw! :D10:48
Maaznuvolari: Okay, I'll tell kbmonkey on freenode10:48
queeryweird10:49
queerymy timeout was weird10:49
Kilossee ya all tonight10:59
Symmetriahahahahahahahaha11:19
Symmetriaholy crap11:19
SymmetriaI just saw the power supplies in our new router 11:19
Symmetriait has 4 x 4.1 kW PSU's 11:19
Symmetriaso 16.4 kilowatts worth of power supplies11:19
istiaquehi I'm new user in linux .so i have aproblem ,I have wimax ZTE ax226 ,wimax usb dongle modem. i have no driever ,Now how to connect it.?11:20
inetproSymmetria: yikes!11:22
Symmetriahehe inetpro still not as bad as our CRS-1s though11:23
Symmetriathe CRS-1s run 2 x 14.2 kilowatt 3phase PSU's in each of them11:23
inetproSymmetria: why?11:23
Symmetriaand while thats redundant, its still 28.2 kilowatt worth of power feeds for one router11:23
Symmetriainet heh, its a *BIG* router11:24
SymmetriaI mean, very very very big :)11:24
Symmetriaheh, CRS-1 is the same height as a 42U rack, and weighs just on 750 kilograms 11:24
inetprobut why would it need that much power?11:24
Symmetriainetpro, heh, to drive the ASICs for high speed traffic processing11:24
Symmetriaand the line cards11:24
Symmetriaeven our smaller routers (the 7600s) are very power heavy11:25
inetprowow, that's quite something11:25
Symmetriaheh inetpro this is one of our smaller routers:11:26
Symmetriasystem power redundancy mode = redundant11:26
Symmetriasystem power total =     5771.64 Watts (137.42 Amps @ 42V)11:26
Symmetriasystem power used =      3662.40 Watts (87.20 Amps @ 42V)11:26
Symmetriasystem power available = 2109.24 Watts (50.22 Amps @ 42V)11:26
Symmetriagreen peace and eskom hate me11:26
inetprowell it's just a router!?11:26
SymmetriaI actually calculated that in total power draw, the TENET network uses almost 100 kW now if not more 11:26
Symmetriainetpro heh, its a very very very fast router11:26
inetproeish11:26
Symmetriaheh look here:11:27
Symmetria1    7600-ES20-10G3CXL   340.20  8.10   340.20  8.10  on    on11:27
Symmetriathats a single 2 port 10G line card11:27
Symmetriawith onboard processing of packets on the line card11:27
Symmetriaeating 340 watts just for the one card11:27
Symmetria8    76-ES+T-4TG         405.72  9.66   405.72  9.66  on    on11:27
Symmetriathats a 4 port 10G line card, another 405 watts11:27
Symmetriaworse still, this is a SINGLE port card, that drives a 10G SDH circuit:11:28
Symmetria9    7600-SIP-600        341.88  8.14   341.88  8.14  on    on11:28
Symmetria(heh that line card I just pasted, is a single circuit board worth 800 grand)11:28
SymmetriaI.E you are rather careful you dont drop it :P11:28
Symmetrialol I just convinced some poor dude to go rack my new amsterdam router for me11:49
Symmetriaby the time he is done he is never gonna speak to me again11:49
Symmetriaor he will be sending me medical bills for back strain11:50
Kiloseish im  so slow11:58
KilosMany many happy returns superfly 11:59
superflyThanks Kilos11:59
Kiloshope every years just gets better and better11:59
superflyTa11:59
KilosMaaz, coffee on12:00
* Maaz washes some mugs12:00
KilosMaaz, coffee for all12:01
MaazCome on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already12:01
KilosMaaz, and cake12:01
MaazKilos: Excuse me?12:01
Kilosgrrr12:01
KilosMaaz, and cake12:02
MaazHere is a large cake for the birthday boy.12:02
Kilosblow out the candles superfly 12:03
* superfly blows hard12:03
Kiloswe all clap and sing happy birthday to the Fly12:03
MaazCoffee's ready for Kilos!12:04
Kilosnuvolari, dankie12:04
KilosMaaz, thanks man12:05
MaazKilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)12:05
Kiloslater 12:15
inetprosuperfly: happy birthday12:32
Symmetriaheh osx lion just appeared for sale in the apple store12:34
nuvolariHappy Birthday superfly :D I believie you are having a great day :)13:02
superflyThanks nuvolari13:03
Kilospph, do you use our mailing lists14:04
Kilosand you MxG ?14:04
Kilosand scar[w] ?14:05
* scar[w] reads the topic14:06
Kilosi was enquiring if you guys know about the LPI course coming up14:07
Kiloskbmonkey and nuvolari gonna give classes here as soon as thety got it all set up14:08
Kilosthe manual is available at14:08
KilosMaaz, LPI.link14:08
MaazKilos: lpi.link is http://groups.google.com/group/linux-studies14:08
Kilosjust over 4m i think14:09
Kiloswrong one but you sign up there maybe14:09
Kilosnuvolari, ping14:10
Kiloswhats the link to the lpi manual nuvolari 14:10
Kilosi lost it14:10
MxGkilos: mailing lists? no don't think i am, I use LUG lists and tend to stay away from official ubuntu lists14:11
scar[w]ah yes, I remember Monday night there were some people talking about LPI14:11
Kilosok are you interested in doing an LPI course14:11
nuvolariKilos: I get the feeling kbmonkey is going to be the grand master:P14:11
nuvolariMaaz: lpi.manual is http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/lpi-study-manual14:12
Maaznuvolari: Got it14:12
Kilosty nuvolari 14:12
nuvolariplesier oom14:12
MxGkilos: have done LPIC-3, maybe if there's one for LPI-303 (security)?14:13
KilosMxG,  speak to kbmonkey or nuvolari  about what it all entails14:14
Kilosim just advertising for them14:14
Kiloslet me just look in the manual if i see 303 stuff14:15
MxGcool :)14:15
Kilosits a big manual but there is a chpater on security14:17
Kilosno lots more14:17
Kilosnear 30 pages of security14:18
KilosMxG, and that link above is for the latest manual14:20
scar[w]interisting, I'll have to take a look at it later14:21
Kilosbbl14:22
superflyMxG: they're doing 101, I think14:42
MxGsuperfly: thanks, have already got LPIC-3 though so looking for 302 or 303 materials :)14:48
nlsthznHi all14:52
superflyhi nlsthzn14:55
nlsthzn:/ lol trying to get ops on a channel and I can't remember how :p14:56
nuvolari=bu214:57
nuvolarier14:57
nuvolarisorry14:57
nuvolari_:?15:31
nuvolari_I broke screen15:31
nuvolari_:'(15:31
nlsthznthat sucks15:36
Kilossuperfly, sorry to worry you. can you tell me how i get jedirc to use freenode please15:58
nlsthznKilos, cool name... not heard of that one yet15:58
superflyKilos: I think you need to create a new connection, using chat.freenode.net15:59
Kiloswhat? nlsthzn 15:59
Kilosoh ok chat.freenode.net15:59
Kilosin place of za.zanet.org.za15:59
nlsthznjedi(rc)15:59
nlsthzn:) cool name15:59
Kiloslol16:00
Kilosand do i need to put in an irc server port nuber superfly 16:02
Kilosor just leave 666716:02
nlsthznchat.freenode.net:666716:02
nlsthzn6667 is fine16:02
Kilosyay ty nlsthzn 16:03
nlsthznhere in the uae the other one 8001 doesn't want to work but 6667 works fine16:03
Kilosyooo hooo16:04
Kilosbut there no tab key onna fone16:04
jpmnope16:05
Kiloshow you nlsthzn 16:05
jpmthat's why i don't like irc with mine16:05
nlsthznOh... getting the flu but I will live, and you uncle?16:05
Kilosyeah and you have to msg and open a page then type16:05
Kiloswhat a schlep16:06
Kilosi be kiff ty nlsthzn 16:06
nlsthznPC best for PC stuff :p16:06
Kilosyeah but now i can try it on the nokia 9300i16:07
Kilosdunno if it will work being stuck on gprs16:07
Kilosthat at least has a qwerty keyboard16:07
KilosmCheers16:08
Kilosbut at least now i can have contact from anywhere even if eskom cuts the power while the battery is full16:12
Kiloshehe16:12
Symmetriamannnn16:14
SymmetriaI wish I'd invested like, 100k into apple shares16:14
Symmetriain november 200816:14
Symmetria:P the stock would be worth enough now to buy a nice new car16:14
Symmetriaa really nice new car16:14
nlsthzn:)16:23
drubinMaaz: announce Happy Birthday Mr superfly 16:47
MaazHear ye, hear ye! Happy Birthday Mr superfly16:47
nlsthznsuperfly, dude... happy birthday... 16:48
superfly:)16:48
winsux_constantlbah17:23
Kiloslol17:23
Kilosnice nick17:23
winsux_constantldankie oom17:23
winsux_constantl*kug*17:23
winsux_constantlhier is die apie ook17:23
kbmonkeyevening there :)17:23
Maazkbmonkey: By the way, nuvolari on freenode told me "tell kbmonkey tint2 ftw! :D" 6 hours, 34 minutes and 47 seconds ago17:23
winsux_constantlwho's nuvolari_ ?17:23
Kilosnuvolari_,  jy stout17:24
Kiloswinsux_constantl, jy ook17:24
Kiloshehe17:24
winsux_constantlKilos: oom, waai medisyne het oom gese moet ek install vir windose?17:24
Kiloshoe ver is jy seun17:25
winsux_constantldie keyboard se sed werk nie17:25
Kiloskan die ding boot darem17:25
winsux_constantlx, y, sed17:25
Kilosis dit al17:25
kbmonkeyo vrek, z :p17:25
Kiloslol17:25
winsux_constantldie v sukkel ook17:25
winsux_constantlen 117:26
Kilosis dit na die virus episode of is hulle miskien beitjie vuil17:26
winsux_constantlmoet elke keer fn, numlock, 1. fn, numlock af17:26
winsux_constantlnee, dis die lappy wat bietjie oud is oom17:26
winsux_constantlKilos: oom het gese daar is 'n sekere antivirus17:27
Kilosek dink keypads is nie te duur om te vervang nie17:27
Kilosja avast17:27
winsux_constantlavast gee my 'n BSOD na boot17:27
Kilosjy vat die vry een17:27
Kilosnee man17:27
winsux_constantldis hy oom17:27
winsux_constantlek jeuk vir ubuntu17:27
Kilosdan het jy n ander een by wat baklei daarmee17:27
winsux_constantlnet die modem aan die gang kry17:27
Kilosgaan jy winsuck weggooi17:28
winsux_constantlverseker17:28
Kilosok nou moet jy mooi luister17:28
winsux_constantlkbmonkey: did you see mah supa openbox screenshot17:28
winsux_constantlek love tint217:28
winsux_constantlek luister oom17:29
kbmonkeyno where is your screenshot?17:29
Kilosjy kan ubuntu installeer en jou foon gebruik om te konnekteer and usb modeswitch te kry17:29
winsux_constantlop + kbmonkey 17:30
Kilosmeeste selfone werk smart met nm17:30
winsux_constantlgoegel plus17:30
kbmonkeyG+!17:30
kbmonkeynee just got home now that was some workout! *pants*17:30
winsux_constantlKilos: oom, ek kan oor die netwerk ook try17:31
winsux_constantlkbmonkey: ok cool17:31
Kilosvan die lappy?17:31
winsux_constantlkbmonkey: I discovered tint2 and it's simply awesome17:31
winsux_constantlKilos: ja oom, my werk laptop17:31
Kilosmooi man17:31
* winsux_constantl tries to update MTN online. 17:32
winsux_constantlmaybe the app won't kill itself17:32
kbmonkeywow mooi screens! unlucky zoom google hulle nie in nie :( one thing i dont like about G+17:32
* winsux_constantl en windows is nie pelle nie17:32
winsux_constantlkbmonkey: ye, that's something I hope they will work on17:33
winsux_constantlit's a definite need17:33
kbmonkeyek gebruik nou imgur of ompldr.org17:33
Kilosek het op ian se pc usb-modeswitch e ek dink gnome modem manager of iets met my foon gedoen toe sien sy pc sy modem17:34
winsux_constantlKilos: sal dit werk van die livecd af ook?17:34
Kilosdie foon sal maar ek weet nie van die modem nie17:35
Kiloslivecd se nm werk grand17:36
kbmonkeyja behoort op die live ook te werk17:36
nuvolari_wie's die winsux_constantl dude?17:37
nuvolari_onbeskof17:37
Kilosjy kan tot konnekteer voor jy se install en dit laat update terwyl jy installeer17:38
Kiloslol17:38
nuvolari_ja but I need to get the modem working first :P17:38
Kilosno man17:39
nuvolari_I don't have any windows CD to turn back to17:39
nuvolari_reg of weg17:39
Kilosuse your cellphone as a modem17:39
Kilosjust to get connected17:39
Kilosand updated17:39
Kiloshave you got a data cable nuvolari_ 17:40
Kilosthen nm even tells you what fone yopu got17:40
nuvolari_ja oom, no problems connecting with my phone17:41
nuvolari_android FTW :D17:41
nuvolari_kbmonkey: try https://picasaweb.google.com/johanmynhardt/July202011#563145919314324974617:42
Kilosthen install ubuntu17:42
Kilosthen connect fone17:42
nuvolari_picasaweb still allows you to zoom17:42
KilosKILL winsucks and partition nicely17:43
nuvolari_need to back up17:43
nuvolari_bah :-/17:43
Kilosto where?17:43
nuvolari_to my external drive oom17:43
Kiloslol does the winsucks pc see your external17:44
Kilos??17:44
winsux_constantlwhen I boot from the livecd :D17:44
Kilosmy boets win7 couldnt see mine17:44
winsux_constantlit's ext4-formatted17:44
Kilosyou just gonna copy files etc17:44
Kilosnot official backup17:45
winsux_constantlye, rsync17:45
winsux_constantljust the important files17:45
Kiloslol all the windows cant see ext417:45
Kiloswell move it17:45
winsux_constantlwell, one that my dad really wants :P weather logs since '9617:45
Kilosif you gonna kill windows why ask what antivirus to get17:46
Kiloswow17:46
Kilosask him can he see where the global warming is17:47
Kiloswe freezing here17:47
Kilosnuvolari_, you going with natty?18:00
Kilosor maverick?18:01
nuvolari_Kilos: natty oom18:02
nuvolari_meh. my pa gaan nou eers skype18:02
Kiloslol18:02
Kilosgaan jy clean install en winsucks heel dooi?18:03
Kiloshehe is pa nie bang nie?18:06
nuvolari_ja oom18:16
nuvolari_alles of niks18:16
Kilosmooi18:16
kbmonkeyhe he mooi so nuvolari_ :)18:17
Kiloshoe groot is die hardeskyf nuv18:17
kbmonkeysolank die internet en office goeters werk18:17
Kilosanotherone bites the dust18:19
Kilosw00t18:19
nuvolari_dink dis 40Gb oom Kilos 18:22
nuvolari_of 30Gb18:23
nuvolari_hmm. screen killed all the apps running in that session too18:24
nuvolari_weird18:24
Kiloswhile running livecd nuvolari_ 18:27
nuvolari_Kilos: no oom, just my screen session running on my VPS18:28
Kilosah18:28
Kilosyou too close to winsux pc18:28
kbmonkeygood luck nuvolari_, Kilos, sal weer more praat :)18:40
Kiloslekker slaap kbmonkey 18:40
nuvolari_o/18:42
Kiloswat nou18:46
nuvolari_ek waai vir kuberapie oom18:50
Kiloslol18:50
Kiloso is dit a waai teken18:50
Kilosi learn something new everyday18:51
Kilosgood luck nuvolari_ i gotta go bed where its warmer18:59
Kilosnight all sleep warm18:59
nuvolari_Maaz: tell kilos nag oom! Ek't darm die modem gekry om te dial, maar die lappy se ram is bietjie min om alles opi livecd te doen. Het begin rsync na 'n external toe, maar toe vries die proccess. sal more aangaan20:05
Maaznuvolari_: Okay, I'll tell Kilos on freenode20:05

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