[00:01] /tmp/buildd/kde-style-bespin-0.1~svn100126/config/config.cpp: In function 'void ensureIcons()': [00:01] /tmp/buildd/kde-style-bespin-0.1~svn100126/config/config.cpp:1297:64: error: taking address of temporary [-fpermissive] [00:01] Any suggestions? [00:01] kde-style-bespin is anyone wants to take a whack at it. [00:54] isnt bespin like way dead? [01:14] http://www.afktavern.com - ubuntu hour is scheduled, and I hope to be there in Kub. gear [01:14] :-) [01:37] apachelogger: Probably. It should get fixed or remove. I don't care much which. [07:47] Hi!. It seems that 11.10 uses "nm09" branch for KNetworkManager (translation templates are build from this branch). Is this the developers decision? What about upstream uses "master" for translations? [07:52] yurchor: it's not exactly a choice of ours since gnome 3 requires nm 0.9 so Ubuntu switched to it [07:55] debfx: A-ha... Thanks. Maybe it is worth to ask developers to splir translation of "master" (to stable) and "nm09" (to trunk)? I can ask about this in kde-i18n-doc. [07:56] morning [08:01] yurchor: where are the networkmanagement translations? [08:02] having translations for both branches would certainly be a good thing [08:02] debfx: Now they are in extragear-base/trunk. Ex.: http://l10n.kde.org/stats/gui/trunk-kde4/po/libknetworkmanager.po/ [08:03] Is it possible for a non kde core developer to get his blog on planetkde.org ? [08:12] bambee, sure [08:12] mine is [08:13] I'm about as far from core devel as you can get [08:13] ok :) [08:13] I need to ask sysadmins , I guess ? [08:13] yes, you file a bug [08:14] if you often write about something other than KDE, you'll want to make a /KDE feed request [08:15] mhhh [08:15] ok [08:16] I just changed mine [08:16] the sysadmins rocks [08:16] -s [08:17] ohh everything is explained on planetkde.org :) [08:18] considering my blog is there too... [08:20] RHAAAAA!!!!!! fu**$*@ pbuilder ! it has broken my basetgz for the THIRD time o_O [08:20] :'( [08:21] my poor oneiric-ninjas.tgz :'( [08:32] dpm: do source packages that have the same templates not share translations? [08:36] dpm: plasma-widget-networkmanagement has been renamed to networkmanagement, which of them is going to be exported to language packs? [08:36] debfx, the sharing happens between templates with the same name, in the same source package and in different releases. So kdebase-workspace/kaccess (srcpkg/template) in Natty will share translations with kdebase-workspace/kaccess Maverick. Unfortunately, the source package in this particular case has changed in Oneiric (to kde-workspace/kaccess), so the Oneiric template will no longer share translations with the previous templates [08:37] debfx, in that case, we'll just rename the template manually. I don't remember having done that one, bu I can do it now. From which source package is that template? [08:38] dpm: those are source packages === tazz_ is now known as tazz [08:38] debfx, ah, right, in that case we just change the source package field in the template [08:38] the templates are knetworkmanager, libknetworkmanager and plasma-applet-networkmanagement [08:39] which is what we did in the example above (change from kdebase-workspace to kde-workspace) [08:40] debfx, so just to confirm (I'll do the change now): I should change the 'plasma-widget-networkmanagement' source package in the knetworkmanager, libknetworkmanager and plasma-applet-networkmanagement templates to 'networkmanagement' [08:41] dpm: yep [08:41] how can I check to which source package a template is linked? [08:41] by the url, for example [08:42] https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/plasma-widget-networkmanagement/+pots/libknetworkmanager [08:42] +source/plasma-widget-networkmanagement [08:42] +pots/libknetworkmanager [08:43] yes, but how do I know which template is exported? [08:43] in this case libknetworkmanager exists for both plasma-widget-networkmangement and networkmanagement [08:47] debfx, both will be exported, as it seems we approved both instead of renaming the source package (probably as a mistake). In that case, I'll just disable the plasma-widget-... one [08:49] debfx, done. There should now only be templates for the networkmanagement source package [08:52] does anyone know the debconf-kde developers? They include translations in a non-standard way (neither for Ubuntu nor for KDE), so we cannot import them: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/debconf-kde/+imports the po files should be named po/ll.po instead of po/ll/libdebconf-kde.po [08:57] dpm: that seems to be a packaging issue === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [09:04] Good morning. [09:05] shadeslayer: is Gwenview fixed? [09:05] apachelogger: What are we doing with mobipocket? I agree that the name is very generic, can we do something about that? [09:06] shadeslayer: same with svgpart [09:08] good morning [09:08] Hello debfx [09:08] Quintasan: you are a bit late. all kde 4.7 packages are in the archive [09:08] Good sine I got into 4.6.95 mode [09:09] shadeslayer: fix the wiki then [09:09] Quintasan: i'm at a intel event right now, will have a look when i get home [09:09] Oh I see. [09:09] I'll do it later then [09:09] Have fun [09:11] debfx: Could you tell me how does exactly ${sameVersionDep:kdelibs5-dev:libokularcore1} work? [09:13] Quintasan: have you read man:/dh_sameversiondep? [09:14] oh, so it has a manpage :/ [09:15] yes, one of the few things in pkg-kde-tools that is well documented ;) [09:16] * Quintasan never undestood that magic completely and thinks it's time to chage that [09:17] btw has anyone here ever booted kubuntu on a macbook pro? plz2leave me a ping [09:17] * bambee blames pbuilder [09:20] bambee: What's wrong? [09:20] Quintasan: it has crashed and it has broken my basetgz tarball and my packages rules (debian.tar.gz) [09:21] I cannot rebuild a new basetgz since pbuilder --create is broken too [09:21] :D [09:21] How did you break pbuilder --create? :O [09:22] pbuilder is useful but sometimes it irritates me! (like today) [09:22] :) [09:23] bambee: You can always do it like Riddell [09:23] ? [09:23] debootstrap, chroot and dpkg-buildpackage :P [09:23] dpm: I think I'll just import the debconf-kde upstream translations through kde-l10n-XX. do you want me to drop those libdebconf-kde.po files or can we just leave them unimported? [09:23] * Quintasan needs to try cowdancer some times [09:24] chroots are much under rated, pbuilder is way overrated, it shouldn't be use for anything other than a final test [09:24] or whatever was this thing called that used lvm [09:24] sbuild was it? [09:25] Riddell: How much space does one pbuilder take? [09:25] I've no idea [09:25] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 81M 2011-06-02 10:17 /var/cache/pbuilder/base.tgz [09:26] debfx, yeah, that sounds good. We can leave them unimported. [09:33] apachelogger: why do we have desktop_* stuff in desktop-template-list from pkg-kde-tools? the upstream .desktop files already contain the translations, right? [09:36] Quintasan: I can also take an old base.tgz and upgrade it by hand :D [09:36] (using --login and --save-after-login) [09:36] but it's boring :\ [09:36] * Quintasan forgot to setup and LVM [09:39] meh [09:39] sbuild + LVM is not worth the effort [09:41] yofel: okular 4.6.95 done and uploaded to [09:41] PPA [09:57] <_StefanS_> morning [09:57] <_StefanS_> is the daily somewhat stable ? [09:58] <_StefanS_> kde wise [09:58] <_StefanS_> judging from kubuntu ninjas in the topic, only kdepim is missing -- which i dont intend to use anyway [10:00] Riddell: Hi! are you the only person in charge of Planet KDE ? I probably can also CC the sysadmins team... (the field "Assign To" contains only your email on the bugzilla) [10:00] bambee: me and sysadmins, what's up? [10:00] _StefanS_: Daily what? [10:00] _StefanS_: 4.7 RC1 landed in oneiric [10:00] ohh ok [10:01] _StefanS_: oneiric is not considered stable for daily use [10:03] <_StefanS_> Quintasan: I know its not stable, but a week ago kde was broken, hence my question [10:03] didrocks: I think it's best to just disable the qmldesigner plugin on ARM [10:03] _StefanS_: AFAIK all KDE 4.7 packages have landed in oneiric and it should work now [10:03] <_StefanS_> Quintasan: ah sweet, I usually pick up each new relase after alpha2, and that has almost always been quite stable to me [10:04] <_StefanS_> Quintasan: thanks for the info :) [10:04] debfx: hum, can work as well. I see little reason to use qtcreator on arm TBH :) [10:04] <_StefanS_> Quintasan: is there a better method rather than dist-upgrade ? [10:04] <_StefanS_> Quintasan: update-manager -d or something [10:05] no idea, I do :%s/natty/oneiric on my sources.list and upgrade ^_^ [10:06] <_StefanS_> Quintasan: alright then :D [10:06] <_StefanS_> have a nice day ,and keep up the good work - Riddell all others ;) [10:07] didrocks: yeah, I've opened a upstream bug report anyway. it would be good to have a build system check that disables the plugin when it's not supported [10:08] debfx: let me try this, and add qmlpuppet then [10:36] The KDE 4.7 RC1 transition is over? Is the kdesudo issue known? [10:58] cdbs: yes, I'm not sure what the kdesudo issue is [11:02] debfx: When I run kdesudo, I get a weird error, http://paste.kde.org/99409/ [11:24] Alright, I'll report that as a bug [11:26] debfx: the upstream desktop_ files are collections of all desktop file strings in a module [11:26] so you have desktop_baseapps or something like that [11:27] so I reckon it is simpler to just fetch translations from upstream and provide them for launchpad rather than anything else [11:27] or something or nothing [11:27] * apachelogger just now got up [11:33] \o [11:57] apachelogger: so we just throw away the translations from desktop files? [11:57] debfx: yes, that is how the masters of ubuntu l10n envisioned it to work [12:00] ok, so we don't have any desktop file upstream translations for non-KDE SC packages where we don't set KUBUNTU_DESKTOP_POT [12:01] I think(tm) [12:01] in main at least [12:01] universe isn't stipped [12:03] Seems like kdesudo doesn't work when KDE is started through lightm [12:03] *lightdm [12:06] o/ [12:07] cdbs: I think there is a similar issue for gnome too [12:07] davmor2: probably yes [12:07] it works only with kdm [12:07] that's all [12:12] so we need to move that source package -> desktop file template mapping inside pkg-kde-tools [12:12] who is going to implement that? [12:12] * debfx looks at apachelogger [12:30] shadeslayer: something's still not right with kate, with katepart at least kile works again, but kdevelop still errors out unless you install 'kate' === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter_work === xeros_ is now known as xeros [13:09] debfx: more likely kde-l10n-common IMHO [13:10] kde-l10n-common fetches the templates as per mapping, which can go wrong if pkg-kde-tools on the excution rootsys is not the most recent one [13:10] so, since I do not remember the details I thought that moving it to the l10n branch instead made more sense [13:22] cdbs: Don't run muon with kdesudo. It uses policykit. [13:23] apachelogger: kde-l10n isn't involved in building packages though, we need the information when writing the template name into the desktop files [13:26] meh [13:26] debfx: perhaps l10n should branch pkg-kde-tools then [13:27] and take the list of templates to fetch from bzr rather than the installed package [13:27] Looks like kubuntu-desktop is installable and purely 4.6.90. [13:27] (I had to rebuild ktorrent last night) [13:33] We don't build libqtwebkit4-declarative anymore, but plasma-mobile depends on it. What's the plan for that? [13:34] ScottK: s/libqtwebkit4-declarative/libqtwebkit-qmlwebkitplugin/ [13:35] debfx: Thanks. [13:35] Do you want to fix it or should I? [13:36] yofel: herp derp [13:36] will look [13:37] i couldn't boot the oneiric daily anyways [13:38] ScottK: I'd appreciate if you could fix it [13:38] OK [13:49] Just fixed kdegraphics package names so it should be installable again. [13:56] plasma-mobile fixed. [13:56] debfx: Thanks again for the fix. [14:00] Now that kubuntu-desktop is installable with 4.7, it's time to look at CD size. I'm open to suggestions. [14:02] 724M ouch (and 745 or powerpc) [14:03] Yup [14:04] ScottK: is python 2.6 going to be removed this cycle? [14:04] Not sure yet. [14:04] do we have something that tracks what got added/dropped between the iso builds? [14:05] We should get it off the CD though. [14:05] I'm currently looking at that. [14:05] true, we have 3 python versions on the disk [14:05] yofel: I have a natty->oneiric diff: https://felix.fobos.de/kubuntu/kubuntu-oneiric-cd-amd64-diff.htm [14:05] debfx: It gets pulled in by python-kde4 depends libpython2.6 (>= 2.6), libpython2.7 (>= 2.7) [14:06] debfx: ah, nice [14:06] ScottK: can we just drop the python 2.6 modules? [14:06] we didn't have those in natty [14:07] the non-default themes need to be moved from kde-workspace-data and kdm into another package [14:08] It's a packaging bug in pykde4. [14:08] it depends on python-all-dev which pulls in python-2.6-dev [14:08] It should be libpython2.6 (>= 2.6) | libpython2.7 (>= 2.7) or something like that. [14:09] It build-depens on -all-dev, not depends [14:09] er, right [14:09] Building for all versions is correct. [14:09] Depending on both libpython versions is not. [14:09] ScottK: I think the python debhelper needs to be improved to handle that [14:10] Probably. [14:10] right, that's probably added by python:Depends [14:11] yofel: no, they link against libpython [14:11] ah [14:11] ok [14:12] debfx: pykde4-4.6.80/debian//patches/01_python_modules_dont_link_against_libpython.diff [14:12] That's in Debian. [14:13] I think that's the solution. [14:14] it doesn't work though [14:14] No? [14:14] python-kde4 in Debian depends on both libpython [14:15] Lovely. [14:15] even if we drop the python2.6 dependency we waste some space by having two versions of the bindings [14:15] No. [14:15] Oh, true. [14:16] That's unavoidable until python2.6 is no longer supported. [14:16] we didn't have python2.6 bindings in natty so it wouldn't be a regression to just drop them again [14:17] True, but it was a bug. [14:17] I'd say let's get python2.6 itself off the CD and then see where we are. [14:17] with positive side effects :) [14:37] Looks like dropping the libpython dependency could be done in debian/rules, but would take more thinking than I've got time for at the moment. [15:43] yofel: looks like they're still undecided on kate [15:50] Riddell: If you have a moment, could you please do Bug #814148? [15:50] Launchpad bug 814148 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) "Please remove kdebase-workspace source only" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/814148 [15:50] kubuntu-full is installable again. [15:50] let me see if I can remember how [15:51] done [15:55] Thanks. === skreech_ is now known as Daskreech [16:36] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/pykde4] Philip Muškovac * 5 * debian/ (changelog control) Merge branch lp:~bambi/kubuntu-packaging/pykde4 [16:58] yofel: What did that fix? [16:59] nothing, he had a merge for 4.6.95 pending [16:59] OK. [17:00] Need to convince it not to link to libpython. [17:00] * yofel has no clue how to do that [17:01] * ScottK has some clues, but hopes Debian will fix it. === hunger_ is now known as hunger [17:52] Has anyone upgraded from natty to oneirc recently? [17:52] is anything broken> [17:53] upgraded no, but I'm running O here, works fine [17:53] shadeslayer: if you've keyboard and mouse broken on X, look at the #ubuntu+1 topic , there is a bug for that [17:53] but it should be fixed now [17:53] at least if you're using ninjas. Haven't tried plain O in a while [17:53] except this bug, everything rocks and works fine here :) [17:53] bambee: that's long fixed [17:53] actually i'm thinking of upgrading [17:54] i had fun installing kubuntu on my new macbook pro [17:54] it seems that the CD falls back to a usb live system if it fails to boot [17:55] ah wth, i'll upgrade [17:56] shadeslayer: you're not booting with a iusb-key .... :P [17:56] with a what [17:56] a iusb key, it's just a usb key with the apple logo :P [17:56] heh [17:56] [17:56] :D [17:56] i wrapped my naked usb key in a iCloth, that makes it a iUsb key [17:57] bambee: the best thing is, i've tethered my phone to my laptop so that i can connect to the wifi network xD [17:59] xD [17:59] * yofel would've preferred not learning what that wifi workaround was... [17:59] hahahaha [17:59] ndiswrapper makes everything crap out [17:59] so that was my only other choice [18:00] to connect my ac100 on my home network, I need to plug my phone to my smartbook too, because the internal wifi card does not work well :( [18:01] yeah, one of the reasons i'm upgrading [18:01] new kernel brings in new hope ;) [18:02] bbiab [18:02] !hope [18:02] Sorry, I don't know anything about hope [18:02] bah, no hope factoid? I think that needs fixing.. [18:09] No hope sounds about right. [18:12] hehe [18:36] sheytan: ping [18:40] apachelogger pong [18:41] sheytan: do you have time to mock up more interaction scenarios for a video player? [18:41] like how to open a file? is there file browsing at all or a collection? ... [18:43] http://i.imgur.com/GAr0H.png [18:43] I reckon that is the fullscreen mode? [18:43] what should the non-fullscreen version look like? [18:46] apachelogger i have some ideas, but can't mock them up today [18:46] mayne tomorrow :) [18:46] good enough for me :) [18:50] * yofel wonders if dirk forgot to tag 4.7.0 or if they'll postpone the release. [18:51] oh, and we still have kdevelop packages that need to be tested === yofel changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu: Friendly Computing | 4.6.95 Packaging: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging | Merges: https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html | TODO: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-kubuntu.html [18:51] 4.6.5 is long out.. [19:03] Isn't 4.6.5 in the PPA? [19:04] it is, but it's not on the packaging page anymore, so the topic was wrong [19:04] Oh. === timblechmann is now known as tim [20:55] Kubuntu packageset updated again: http://paste.ubuntu.com/649464/ [20:55] debfx: Can you review the set/exceptions and see if we need to do any manual tweaking? [20:59] ScottK: svgpart is missing, gwenview probably doesn't recommend it yet [21:00] It's seeded in kdegraphics though. [21:00] errr part of kdegraphics which is seeded [21:01] ah true, then I don't know why it's missing [21:03] Let me know if you find anything else and I'll send cjwatson a mail. [21:03] Quintasan: ^^^ you too. [21:05] ScottK: pykde4 [21:06] sheytan: I can watch videos rather well with the player :D [21:08] apachelogger cool. It would be cool, to transfer it someday to kubuntu :) [21:08] as default [21:09] more like KDE [21:21] afiestas: your comment is so.... beautiful :D [21:22] bambee: comment? [21:22] afiestas: on my blog [21:24] it is a good summary of what I wanted to say xD [21:24] Link please? [21:32] ScottK: http://blog.romainperier.org/?p=53 [21:32] mhh ovh is slow this evening :\ [21:32] Thanks. [21:32] btw , please applaud sheytan for his great work! it has created a kubuntu wordpress theme :D [21:39] afiestas: you're just frustrated about the subtitles feature in pgst :P [21:39] or about my english... [21:39] or both [21:40] :D [21:44] actually it was intented to cheer you up [21:44] kinda "Go subtitles go!" xd [21:45] I was kidding :) [21:56] * apachelogger hugs bambee [21:56] kubotu: order cookies for bambee [21:56] * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to bambee. [22:00] apachelogger: what did I do ? :) [22:00] apachelogger: is it for my theme ? :p === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [22:03] bambee: https://launchpad.net/~project-neon [22:03] bambee: setCurrentSubtitle(QUrl) [22:03] Please link to https://launchpad.net/~neon instead [22:03] bambee: or perhaps QString [22:08] Quintasan: ok [22:08] apachelogger: did you test it? [22:08] bambee: what, subtitles? [22:08] yes [22:08] bambee: Thanks, since the other link yields: Project Neon does not seem to be using Launchpad :D [22:08] bambee: no, it doesnt work with my new player :P [22:08] apachelogger: tsss :p [22:09] by the way it's setCurrentSubtitle(SubtitleDescription &) :D [22:09] :P [22:09] yeah, BUT [22:09] doing files that is the uber suck [22:09] totally java that is [22:10] so we need a new interface that is easy to use, just throw a file path at it and it takes care of the rest [22:14] apachelogger: what did you smoke ? you like java... using java you will be bald :'( [22:15] oh right, java <3 [22:15] java \o/ [22:15] bambee: what I meant to say is "totally pyth0rn that is" [22:16] lol [22:26] apachelogger: joke of the day http://ftp.romainperier.org/screen1.png :D [22:27] That's a nice memleak there [22:27] bambee: I think you and tdfischer are memleaking [22:28] apachelogger: tdfischer has the same problem? [22:28] FWIW I am leaking textures, but nothing too serious :P [22:28] lol [22:28] bambee: no, I just suppose it must have to do with playbin2 [22:28] cause I am not getting that on master or qml [22:28] mhhh [22:28] well [22:30] I will try to fix it tomorrow (after some kde 4.6.95 packaging) [22:32] night [23:32] apachelogger: how do i get to oem config mode in the kubuntu cd? [23:33] or Riddell? [23:33] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/438221 [23:33] Ubuntu bug 438221 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "user setup page has warning symbols at start" [High,Incomplete] [23:33] im going to try to reproduce, but there seems to be a lack of reproduction steps [23:33] also, when i tried to boot the live cd, kwin crashed [23:33] maco: suppose there is a ubiquity cmdline option? the preinstalled image goes you there in any case [23:33] preinstalled image? [23:34] oh, we only ahve those for omap [23:34] * maco retries booting the live cd, in hopes of getting more than a black screen and an X cursor [23:35] I guess that also needs some testing with new KDE :S [23:52] apachelogger: are you running oneiric? [23:52] nope === yofel_ is now known as yofel