[00:00] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> lol :P
[00:00] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> yeah he wanted me to go onto slackware
[00:00] <BarkingFish> TVM, Malta
[00:00] <SIR_Taco> yofel: well yes... but it's not general Linux fire.. but Gentoo lava....
[00:00] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> or gentoo cause that wat he was on
[00:01] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> well least i knew a bit when i installed ubuntu
[00:01] <yofel> well, setting something up you're familiar with is easy, so that was his reason probably
[00:01] <yofel> but we're getting offtopic here -> #kubuntu-offtopic
[00:01] <BarkingFish> I also need it to watch my birth country's parliament when it's in session.
[00:01] <SIR_Taco> true
[00:01] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> lol
[00:03] <Kaleidoscope> Judging by the sudden silence, There's nothing ontopic to talk about
[00:03] <snooffy> guys, i know this was asked and answered many times, but from your experience, will i gain a huge power if i install 64 bit kubuntu on my intel e6600 with 4GB RAM? Is there still lots of apps not supporting 64bit systems based on Linux?
[00:04] <Kaleidoscope> snooffy, I'm runnin 64bit And I've never had a problem yet
[00:04] <yofel> there's some chance of running into issues with flash, other than that 64bit will work fine
[00:04] <Kaleidoscope> Performance wise, It's nothing major, there's slight performance gain, but not that noteworthy
[00:04] <Kaleidoscope> yofel, there is?
[00:05] <Kaleidoscope> As far as I can tell, Flash is runnin beautifully
[00:05] <snooffy> yofel: read about the flash, but thats probably an obsolete worry right?
[00:05] <yofel> there are people with problems, I run the native 64bit pre-release of flash here so no issues here.
[00:05] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> yeah flash runs fine on 64bit
[00:05] <OerHeks> same here
[00:05] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> latest firefox watching youtubes
[00:05] <Kaleidoscope> It's worth a shot snooffy
[00:05] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> watched movie last night on native VLC
[00:06] <Kaleidoscope> Time for you to join us in the future that is 64bit
[00:06] <Kaleidoscope> :P
[00:06] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> im using amarok for audio and stuff so i had to download the amarok forbidden extras or wat ever and that got all the audio/video/flash stuff working
[00:06] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> ;)
[00:06] <Kaleidoscope> I use VLC for Audio and video =D
[00:07] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> i use foobar2000 on windows :p
[00:07] <Kaleidoscope> Did need the restricted extras also though
[00:07] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> used winamp for ages
[00:07] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> but yeah just using amarok for now
[00:07] <BarkingFish> anyway dudes, it's gone 1am here, and I'm tired, so I'm gonna pack up and switch off for the night.
[00:07] <Kaleidoscope> My god, I couldn't stand winamp, always had trouble with it. I've used Zune for ages now on Windows
[00:07] <BarkingFish> Take care all, see you in about 18 hours :)
[00:07] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> heh
[00:07] <Kaleidoscope> Laters BarkingFish
[00:07] <BarkingFish> bbfn
[00:07] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> foobar2000 is great
[00:08] <BarkingFish> night Kaleidoscope
[00:08] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> open source
[00:08] <snooffy> ok thats fine,. probably give it a shot during the weekend
[00:08] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> u can emulate some winamp stuff aswell on it
[00:08] <Kaleidoscope> I tried foobar2000 once, it seemed to empty
[00:08] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> its a light player
[00:08] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> its alot better now then wat it use to be
[00:08] <Kaleidoscope> Yea
[00:08] <yofel> o.O
[00:08] <yofel> flash 11 beta has a settings KCM
[00:09] <Kaleidoscope> What's that?
[00:09] <yofel> kde control module, plugin for system settings
[00:09] <Kaleidoscope> Ahh
[00:09] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> can someone help me get ventrillo or wrangler installed :D ?
[00:10] <Kaleidoscope> Maybe...
[00:10] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> i cant find a package and the sudo apt install isnt working
[00:10] <snooffy> last time when i was installing 11.04 had a few problems, had to burn 5cd before i managed to install it, and had to use alternate CD
[00:10] <Kaleidoscope> Using kpackagekit?
[00:10] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> yeah its not on there
[00:10] <snooffy> gonna give the 64bit a shot then
[00:10] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> i found teamspeak 2 on there installed that
[00:10] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> i want TS3 thow
[00:10] <yofel> I see a mangler package for oneiric here, but not for natty
[00:10] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> and ventrillo or wrangler that can connect to vent servers
[00:10] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> mangler
[00:11] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> aww :(
[00:11] <Kaleidoscope> snooffy, I wish ya the best of luck, Hopefully you get onto the 64bit platform with no trouble
[00:11] <yofel> !info mangler oneiric
[00:11] <snooffy> btw can i play CS source on Kubuntu? :D
[00:11] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> yea u can snoffy
[00:11] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> i did it ages ago
[00:11] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> on my old amd
[00:11] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> but not a proper native install
[00:11] <snooffy> i heard about steam on linux, but never get a proper info...
[00:11] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> through wubi duel boot inside windows
[00:12] <snooffy> ah
[00:12] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> still wasnt bad ey for a pentium 4 kind of amd system :P
[00:12] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> 2400xp TBRED
[00:12] <snooffy> thats pretty sh1t right?
[00:12] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> 2.5 gig of ram and 256 7600
[00:12] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> well that hardware is like wat 10+years old
[00:12] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> could still run the css engine :P
[00:13] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> im running a phenom 2 amd quad core now
[00:13] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> nforce 9
[00:13] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> 4 gig
[00:13] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> 460GTX
[00:13] <SIR_Taco> it's close to what runs my hockey pool website
[00:13] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> nforce amd builds run like solid rocks
[00:14] <snooffy> thats the only reason I'm still keeping my w7 partition - bloody games... why these mega gaming companies like EA doesn't make their software for linux as well as for win? the amount of potentional customers its pretty high now and i guess still more and more people switch to a nice distros based on linux
[00:14] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> yeah if they would make native linux games i wouldnt use windows really
[00:14] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> prob only for sound egineering
[00:14] <snooffy> exactly
[00:14] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> and could do most of that on linux
[00:14] <Kaleidoscope> lol, I barely play games anymore, So I'm probably gonna make a full switch to linux soon
[00:14] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> or duel boot osx on a pc
[00:15] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> was thinking bout doing that getting osx running on a pc
[00:15] <snooffy> i have dual boot right now.... w7 and kubuntu, but the w7 takes so much disk space for what it can do
[00:15] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> but meh
[00:15] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> yeah same im duel booting aswell with wubi inside windows install
[00:15] <Kaleidoscope> Why would ya want osx?
[00:16] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> for sound egineering
[00:16] <Kaleidoscope> Ahh
[00:16]  * OerHeks runs AMD Athlon II x2 - 4 gb ddr2 - GT430 fresh with Kubuntu
[00:16] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> most of the programs u can get on windows anyway
[00:16] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> or wine them
[00:16] <Kaleidoscope> Yea
[00:16] <snooffy> btw i was wandering how wubi works exactly?
[00:16] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> installs linux inside a windows file
[00:16] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> no partition needed
[00:16] <snooffy> it runs ubuntu like a program on w
[00:16] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> slight loss of disk performance
[00:16] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> but u hardly notice it
[00:17] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> must be like 5 percent not even
[00:17] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> :P
[00:17] <FloodBotK1> ]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:17] <Kaleidoscope> I noticed
[00:17] <Kaleidoscope> When I switched from Wubi to Partition, It was quite the gain
[00:17] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> if i was gonna properly use kubuntu and for gaming and stuff i would get a seprate drive and native install
[00:18] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> but its only really for normal use
[00:18] <snooffy> i guess for test it is quite convenient but when you want to use the system full time or at least 50/50 with win it is must be much faster to have proper partitions for linux
[00:18] <Kaleidoscope> Yea
[00:18] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> i use to stuff around with partitions alot with my old systems i cant be stuffed doing that with my new rig
[00:19] <Kaleidoscope> Why not?
[00:19] <Kaleidoscope> It's perfectly safe
[00:19] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> yeah just dont want 2 :P
[00:19] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> im more of a windows user
[00:19] <Kaleidoscope> ahh :P
[00:20] <Kaleidoscope> I was mainly a win user also, I got win7 atm, But I'm just having so many problems that It's driving me insane
[00:20] <snooffy> well partitioning in linux is a completely different story than win
[00:20] <Kaleidoscope> snooffy, it is?
[00:20] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> hmmm win7 is great for me :D
[00:20] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> best win os for sure
[00:20] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> :P
[00:20] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> besides XP
[00:20] <snooffy> Kaleidoscope: is it not :)
[00:21] <snooffy> gparted is just great..
[00:21] <Kaleidoscope> snooffy, Nah, I mess with partitions all the time with no trouble really
[00:21] <Kaleidoscope> Different Interface for it maybe
[00:21] <snooffy> probably...
[00:22] <Kaleidoscope> Though I'm not gonna mess with my partitions much more, Cause one of these times I'm gonna end up just messing up my Win7 install, And then it's gone for good
[00:23] <snooffy> for win I'm using EASUS partition master which is a free sw and makes partitioning almost as easy as in kde ;D
[00:23] <Kaleidoscope> I Totally tried that one once
[00:23] <Kaleidoscope> Was alright
[00:24] <Kaleidoscope> HA
[00:24] <Kaleidoscope> I loaded up a japanese MP3 in VLC, It went insane
[00:24] <Kaleidoscope> It couldn't figure out the duration of the song
[00:25] <snooffy> btw cannot get my audigy 4 running 7.1 on kubuntu and I'm bit confused from how is the sound managed in kubuntu... what is the basic layer? Alsa? and what about pulse, how that cooperates together (i have terrible sound distorsion in skype which is going through pulse)
[00:26] <snooffy> Kaleidoscope: hehe
[00:26] <Kaleidoscope> Alsa is the main layer for sound
[00:26] <Kaleidoscope> Pulse is like an extra layer
[00:27] <snooffy> like phonon right?
[00:27] <Kaleidoscope> You can mess around with the settings of both though, You might can find a good spot
[00:27] <snooffy> they work beside are are not depend on each other right?
[00:28] <Kaleidoscope> I don't believe so, Infact I think when I installed Kubuntu, Pulse didn't even install
[00:28] <snooffy> there is plenty settings, probably will have to spend one of the english rainy afternoons with it to have it playing right...
[00:28] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> lol
[00:28] <snooffy> Kaleidoscope: i dont know about pulse and kubuntu install, but when i installed the latest skype beta there is only pulse in its audio setting
[00:28] <Kaleidoscope> Oh really?
[00:29] <snooffy> yeah
[00:29] <Kaleidoscope> I don't use skype, So I'm not to sure bout it's setup, so ye
[00:29] <Kaleidoscope> there might be a way to make it go through Alsa, Though I'm not too sure bout it
[00:30] <Kaleidoscope> Is skype the only audio problems you have, or are other things messy as well?
[00:30] <snooffy> no only skype is distorted big time . Well and my 7.1 sound card can play 2.1 properly only
[00:30] <Kaleidoscope> Can or can't?
[00:31] <snooffy> but i'm sure it just needs bit of digging and googling
[00:31] <snooffy> it can play 2.1 but i cannot get the satelite speakers working at all
[00:31] <Kaleidoscope> Yea, just whip open Pulse Audio control, You should be able to get it goin smoothly
[00:32] <snooffy> in the sound setup there is a lots of options for 5.1, 7.1 but none of them work, only one which works is stereo digital
[00:32] <Kaleidoscope> You usin a laptop or desktop?
[00:32] <snooffy> none of the analog 7.1 or 5.1 work for me... also there is 1 weird thing i have sb audigy 4 and in output devices there is audigy 2 only (audigy 4 is all over input devices)... I have a desktop
[00:33] <snooffy> was searching for a different driver but crerative website supports i believe win only :\
[00:33] <snooffy> i would not mind to install a propriate driver if there will be one ..........
[00:34] <Kaleidoscope> Well, there is an extra thing you can add on to the Alsabse.conf file, if it has an option for your particular sound driver
[00:34] <snooffy> which is?
[00:34] <Kaleidoscope> one sec
[00:34] <snooffy> shame i cannot check on it right now... i'm at work for gs
[00:35] <Kaleidoscope> gs?
[00:36] <Kaleidoscope> cat /proc/asound/card0/codec* | grep Codec             <<Run that in the terminal and see what Codec it lists
[00:36] <snooffy> good sake ;DDDD
[00:36] <snooffy> god sake#
[00:36] <snooffy> lol
[00:36] <Kaleidoscope> lol
[00:36] <snooffy> wull do that in the morning when i get home...
[00:37] <snooffy> in my email box already...
[00:37] <snooffy> thx Kaleidoscope
[00:37] <Kaleidoscope> Well here, bookmark this link, It might help you out   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[00:37] <Kaleidoscope> And no problem
[00:39] <snooffy> Kaleidoscope: it will be fun to set it up prperly, i love it as always when i came to problems i learn a lots new thing around as well which is very good :D
[00:40] <snooffy> got to do some work now, users r complaining, it will be a disconnected mouse/keyboard or pwr cable from monitor again for sure LOL
[00:40] <Kaleidoscope> Yea, that's one of the best things bout Linux, Forces ya to learn
[00:41] <Kaleidoscope> lol, Then get to work, Ya bum :P
[00:55] <pepee> hi. I recently had this problem: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=920088#p920088
[00:56] <pepee> kded4, konqueror and knotify4 were all eating 100% of CPU
[00:57] <pepee> this happened after a recent update
[00:57] <Kaleidoscope> And you're not using a pentium 1?
[00:57] <Kaleidoscope> lol
[00:58] <pepee> very funny
[00:58] <Kaleidoscope> You try the ntrack downgrade?
[00:58] <pepee> nope
[00:58] <Kaleidoscope> Why not?
[00:59] <pepee> because this happened a couple minutes ago
[00:59] <Kaleidoscope> oh
[01:00] <Kaleidoscope> Try it then
[01:01] <Kaleidoscope> Or you could try removing and re-installing it
[01:02] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> be back later ;)
[01:02] <Kaleidoscope> Laters Hunter
[01:02] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> cya
[01:02] <pepee> do I have to reboot or something?
[01:02] <Kaleidoscope> You shouldn't
[01:02] <pepee> ok, done
[01:02] <pepee> gonna test it
[01:03] <Kaleidoscope> k
[01:03] <Kaleidoscope> If it didn't fix it, You may have to reboot
[01:03] <pepee> well, nothing happened, so I suppose it worked
[01:04] <Kaleidoscope> Awesome
[01:04] <pepee> yeah
[01:05] <Kaleidoscope> Any other problems you need help with?
[01:05] <pepee> no, thank you
[01:05] <Kaleidoscope> Anytime
[02:20] <snooffy> Kaleidoscope: ho often you hang around here m8?
[02:20] <Kaleidoscope> Kinda new, But I'm gonna try to hang out as much as I can so I can help if I can, and learn new stuff also
[02:21] <snooffy> I would try to sort the sound card prob I told you about earlier in the afternoon and might need an extra hand :D but pbbly will formated 1st and install 64bit....
[02:23] <snooffy> how long are you using a linux based system?
[02:30] <OerHeks> snooffy, maybe this page is any help > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DebuggingSoundProblems
[02:36] <Kaleidoscope> I've used linux off an on for nearly a year now
[02:36] <Kaleidoscope> OerHeks, I got him that to bookmark earlier this afternoon, So we're good
[02:36] <yanwen_> 哈哈
[02:37] <OerHeks> !cn | yanwen_
[02:38] <yanwen_> ok
[02:42] <Kaleidoscope> You sent him to another channel, and conidering you can barely find people online here, He's gonna get like no help :(
[02:46] <Kaleidoscope> Whoever owns this channel needs to add a new bot, One that kicks those that have been idle for like more than 6 hours, That way we can remove some of the clutter in the online list
[02:47] <Kaleidoscope> Course then the online users list would only have like 15-20 people on it =P
[02:49] <OerHeks>  i told him in chinese, we speak english only, and helped him to a chinese, free taiwanese or hongkong support channel.
[02:50] <Kaleidoscope> Yea, I know, Which was cool
[02:50] <Kaleidoscope> I'm kinda just ranting on all the dead people here
[02:50] <OerHeks> some chinese do speak better grammar than i do.
[02:51] <Kaleidoscope> I imagine your Chinese is minimal, So would make sense
[02:52] <OerHeks> true.
[02:52] <Kaleidoscope> But don't you agree we should clear out the dead from here?
[02:52] <Kaleidoscope> Gives off a false sense of hope
[02:53] <OerHeks> 04:53 now, sun is almost comming up.
[02:53] <Kaleidoscope> Been up all night, or early riser?
[02:54] <OerHeks> been up, couldn't rest before things got done.
[02:54] <Kaleidoscope> Ahh ok
[03:02] <razer> anyone around?
[03:02] <Kaleidoscope> Barely
[03:02] <Kaleidoscope> Whatcha need?
[03:03] <razer> i upgraded to the bleeding edge stuff and now compositing isnt working
[03:03] <razer> not much turns up on google
[03:04] <Kaleidoscope> Which program you using?
[03:04] <razer> trying to get kwin to composite
[03:05] <razer> system settings?
[03:05] <Kaleidoscope> Not likely, But you can look around there
[03:06] <Kaleidoscope> try to disable the functionality checks. You find it via alt+f3 in any opened window -> settings -> desktop effects -> advanced
[03:06] <Kaleidoscope> Try that\
[03:06] <Kaleidoscope> Hunter =)
[03:07] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> ey :)
[03:08] <razer> wonn't let me, just sayxs failed to activate
[03:09] <Kaleidoscope> hmm
[03:09] <Kaleidoscope> try this
[03:09] <Kaleidoscope> Try checking "Enable direct rendering" in Desktop Effects>advanced. Then if the compositing is still disabled force it on with Alt+Shift+F12
[03:09] <razer> nope
[03:10] <razer> tried compiz and it wouldnt even turn on :\
[03:11] <Kaleidoscope> change "Texture Filter:" to "Bilinear" in the Advanced section of Desktop Effects,
[03:11] <Kaleidoscope> If that don't work, You might have to re install your video card driver, sometimes new updates can corrupt it
[03:11] <snooffy> Kaleidoscope: for the dead people, cant you get op here?
[03:12] <Kaleidoscope> Far as I know, There's no OP's, Atleast, I've never seen any
[03:12] <snooffy> FloodBotK1 is an op
[03:12] <Kaleidoscope> He don't count
[03:12] <Kaleidoscope> Because he can't help here
[03:12] <snooffy> of cours he does;D
[03:12] <snooffy> he can give you op:D
[03:12] <Kaleidoscope> lol
[03:12] <razer> Kaleidoscope: sorry i dont have txtures filter option, but i'll try reinstalling
[03:13] <Kaleidoscope> @FloodbotK1, OP meh ^^
[03:13] <Kaleidoscope> Alright, Lemme know if it works
[03:15] <Unit193> There are ops here, they just only op when there is a reason to
[03:15] <Kaleidoscope> Well there's reason too
[03:15] <Kaleidoscope> to*
[03:15] <Kaleidoscope> We have a massive pile of dead people, A lil over 200 of em
[03:16] <Kaleidoscope> As I said, They could atleast add it to FloodBot's abilities, have him check Idles, And if it's over so many hours, Kick
[03:17] <Kaleidoscope> Like see, Debg just joined, And appearantly joined for no reason whatsoever
[03:18] <Unit193> Kaleidoscope: People sleep, go on vacation, get sick, etc. There is no need to kick them for that
[03:18] <Kaleidoscope> Any luck, Razer?
[03:18] <Kaleidoscope> Unit193, Well even then, There's no reason for them to be here
[03:18] <razer> Kaleidoscope: works wihtout the nvidia drivers
[03:19] <razer> Kaleidoscope: going to try reinstalling next :d
[03:19] <Kaleidoscope> Ok cool
[03:19] <Kaleidoscope> Cause I mean Seriously, If you go on Vacation, Why bother leaving the IRC connected, Not like you need to save a spot or anything
[03:20] <debg> Kaleidoscope: I am so sorry , I joined, I will disconnect since you are having an issue with dead people ..
[03:21] <Kaleidoscope> See, He needed nothing, Now we have one less falsie in here
[03:21] <Kaleidoscope> I think he took it wrong though >.>
[03:25] <snooffy> so what? shall he need something he can always join, he hasn't got a ban :D
[03:25] <Kaleidoscope> Exactly
[03:26] <snooffy> Kaleidoscope: but why would you care about the people hanging here anyway?
[03:26] <snooffy> it doesn't do anything wrong or does it?
[03:26] <Kaleidoscope> It's just because when I first got Linux and needed help, I joined IRC, and was like Wow 200 people, I should get help pretty quick, But it took me FOUR HOURS to get a response from someone
[03:27] <Kaleidoscope> I just feel if you're not in need of help, Or not here to offer help, You shouldn't be here
[03:27] <Unit193> Remember, just because it's a handy time for you, doesn't mean it's not the middle of the night for others
[03:28] <Kaleidoscope> Again, If it's the middle of the night, And they'r sleeping or something, They need not be here
[03:28] <snooffy> they might be storing logs for their top secret conspiracy work
[03:28] <Kaleidoscope> I got a general rule of thumb, If I'm gonna be afk for more than 30 minutes, I'll exit out of IRC
[03:29] <Unit193> This may be better for offtopic
[03:29] <snooffy> Unit193: u right
[03:29] <Kaleidoscope> That place is deader than here, If possible
[03:30] <Kaleidoscope> :P
[03:35] <razer> T_T now i can't start X with nvidia
[03:35] <Kaleidoscope> Oi
[03:35] <Kaleidoscope> Roll back your nvidia driver?
[03:35] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> anyome using pidgim IM
[03:35] <Kaleidoscope> Nope, I use Kopete
[03:36] <]-[uNTeR^Ki||eR> hmm
[03:36] <razer> i tried to install nvidia-174 but I'd have to uninstall kubuntu-desktop
[03:36] <Kaleidoscope> O.O
[03:36] <Kaleidoscope> Ok well, What if you just don't use an Nvidia driver, then you got Composite working atleast
[03:37] <szal> razer: how do you install the Nvidia driver?  and for what card?
[03:38] <razer> szal: added the x-wat ppa, nvidia 275.19 on a 9500 gt
[03:38] <szal> never heard of that PPA
[03:39]  * szal uses Roberto Ferramosca's LffL PPA
[03:39] <szal> anyhoo -> 'sudo apt-get install nvidia-current && sudo nvidia-xconfig', then reboot
[03:45] <Kaleidoscope> Any luck, Razer?
[03:45] <razer> Kaleidoscope: nope
[03:45] <razer> Kaleidoscope: i think my driver must be blacklisted
[03:46] <Kaleidoscope> Possibly
[03:46] <razer> Kaleidoscope: cant get opengl compositing to work with nvidia
[03:46] <razer> shucks
[03:50]  * szal shakes head at some ppl's problems w/ nVidia driver
[03:50] <szal> 2 machines w/ nVidia card here & not a single problem
[03:51] <razer> what's your driver?
[03:52] <szal> ii  nvidia-current                       275.09.07-1~lffl~natty~ppa                 NVIDIA binary Xorg driver, kernel module and VDPAU library
[03:52] <razer> what ppa did you get it from?
[03:53] <szal> https://launchpad.net/~ferramroberto/+archive/nvidia
[03:55] <razer> are you running twinview?
[03:55] <szal> no
[03:58] <abacaxi> ^^
[03:58] <Kaleidoscope> Hello Abacaxi
[03:59] <abacaxi> hello boys and girls
[03:59] <Kaleidoscope> Last I checked I was only one of those
[03:59] <abacaxi> I have a question
[03:59] <Kaleidoscope> Ask away
[04:00] <abacaxi> how to install the nvidia proprietary driver in kubuntu 11.04?
[04:00] <szal> [05:39:29] <szal> 'sudo apt-get install nvidia-current && sudo nvidia-xconfig', then reboot
[04:00] <abacaxi> the last driver
[04:00] <abacaxi> hum
[04:01] <abacaxi> more and the noveau?
[04:01] <szal> while this depends on the gfx card, of course
[04:01] <abacaxi> blacklist?
[04:01] <szal> the install procedure should do that automatically
[04:01] <Kaleidoscope> You could also click the KDE Button then look for Additional Drivers, That installs propietory drivers for you
[04:01] <abacaxi> yes
[04:02] <abacaxi> just not the most current driver
[04:02] <szal> define 'most current'
[04:03] <abacaxi> appears a message: most active driver is not in use
[04:03] <abacaxi> :(
[04:03] <szal> that's a bug in this graphical thingy
[04:04] <abacaxi> cry :*(
[04:04] <abacaxi> slackware does not happen with this
[04:04] <szal> and you still haven't answered 2 questions -> (1) your understanding of 'most current', (2) your gfx card
[04:04] <Kaleidoscope> szal, Most current of course means which driver allows the most voltage through
[04:05] <Kaleidoscope> :P
[04:05] <abacaxi> my card is nvidia 8400 gs
[04:05] <abacaxi> for notebook
[04:06] <szal> [x] driver applies
[04:06] <abacaxi> is active most current on additional drives
[04:06] <Kaleidoscope> Applications>System>Additional Drivers
[04:06] <Kaleidoscope> Try that?
[04:06] <abacaxi> yes
[04:06] <abacaxi> is active
[04:07] <abacaxi> only it is giving this message
[04:07] <abacaxi> not in use
[04:07] <abacaxi> appears more active
[04:08] <abacaxi> do I have to edit xorg?
[04:08] <abacaxi> for driver "nvidia-current"
[04:08] <abacaxi> ?
[04:09] <szal> abacaxi: 'lspci -k' -> paste the section w/ your gfx card
[04:09] <szal> !paste | abacaxi
[04:09] <abacaxi> ok
[04:10] <abacaxi> bing
[04:10] <abacaxi> VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G86 [GeForce 8400M GS] (rev a1)
[04:10] <abacaxi>         Subsystem: Dell Device 026f
[04:10] <abacaxi>         Kernel driver in use: nouveau
[04:10] <abacaxi>         Kernel modules: nvidia-current, nouveau, nvidiafb
[04:10] <FloodBotK1> abacaxi: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:10] <abacaxi> sorry man
[04:10] <Kaleidoscope> Ignore him Abacaxi
[04:10] <Kaleidoscope> :P
[04:11] <abacaxi> ok :D
[04:11] <abacaxi> ty man
[04:11] <szal> abacaxi: clean your glasses, I didn't point you to the pastebin for nothing
[04:11]  * Daskreech yawns
[04:11] <Daskreech> What's up everyone?
[04:11] <Kaleidoscope> Not much, You Daskreech?
[04:11] <szal> abacaxi: did you reboot or at least restart X after installing the driver?
[04:11] <Daskreech> Nothing much
[04:11] <Daskreech>  anyone needed helping?
[04:12] <Kaleidoscope> Abacaxi is tryin to get a video driver to work or somethin
[04:12] <Kaleidoscope> That's it for the moment
[04:12] <abacaxi> when I run modprobe -r noveau says that the drive is in use
[04:13] <szal> abacaxi: I thought you wanted to use the nVidia driver?
[04:13] <szal> abacaxi: other than that -> [06:10:28] <abacaxi>         Kernel driver in use: nouveau
[04:13] <abacaxi> yes
[04:14] <abacaxi> want to take
[04:14] <Daskreech> abacaxi: nvidia ?What version of KDE are you running?
[04:14] <abacaxi> o noveau e put proprietary
[04:14] <Daskreech> eh?
[04:14] <abacaxi> kde 4.6.5
[04:15] <abacaxi> kubuntu 11.04
[04:15] <abacaxi> kernel 2.6.38-10
[04:15] <Daskreech> worked before?
[04:16] <abacaxi> i dont know, I want to change now
[04:16] <szal> [06:11:48] <szal> abacaxi: did you reboot or at least restart X after installing the driver?
[04:17] <Daskreech> abacaxi: what are you trying to accomplish?
[04:17] <abacaxi> yes i restart
[04:18] <abacaxi> install the driver proprietary on nvidia
[04:18] <abacaxi> and remove noveau
[04:19] <Daskreech> So you are ok then
[04:19] <Daskreech> ?
[04:19] <abacaxi> yes
[04:19] <Daskreech> ok Great :)
[04:19] <abacaxi> :D
[04:19] <abacaxi> and you?
[04:20] <Kaleidoscope> lol
[04:21] <Daskreech> Umm Would be nice if I had Kmail2 doing some filtering
[04:21] <abacaxi> the driver proprietary at my system is installed just not working
[04:21] <Daskreech> but other  than that I'm fine
[04:21] <abacaxi> is not active
[04:22] <abacaxi> understand?
[04:22] <Daskreech> Activate it then?
[04:22] <abacaxi> yes
[04:22] <Daskreech> what's lsmod say?
[04:22] <Daskreech>  pastebin it
[04:22] <abacaxi> I'm thinking I have to edit xorg
[04:23] <abacaxi> for session driver "nvidia-current"
[04:23] <Daskreech> you can run nvidia-xconfig
[04:23] <abacaxi> I'm thinking I have to edit xorg
[04:23] <abacaxi> This command does not appear
[04:23] <abacaxi> em my konsole
[04:24] <abacaxi> on konsole*
[04:25] <abacaxi> I think I need a cigarette auhsuhsa
[04:25] <abacaxi> to relax
[04:25] <Kaleidoscope> lol
[04:25] <abacaxi> \O/
[04:26] <abacaxi> put on the blacklist nouveau only that it is active
[04:26] <abacaxi> what can be?
[04:27] <abacaxi> the command modprobe -r noveau no works
[04:28] <abacaxi> any ideas?
[04:30] <Kaleidoscope> Give your Laptop a Smoke, Tell it to be chill with ya
[04:30] <Kaleidoscope> :P
[04:31] <abacaxi> uhsaa
[04:31] <Kaleidoscope> That's not english...
[04:31] <abacaxi> good idea
[04:31] <Kaleidoscope> Totally
[04:32] <Daskreech> abacaxi: pastebin lsmod
[04:33] <abacaxi> i am brazilian, i'm turning here
[04:33] <abacaxi> ushausa
[04:33] <Daskreech> modprobe -r will not work if you are not using the nouveau driver
[04:33] <Daskreech>  !br
[04:33] <Daskreech> :)
[04:34] <abacaxi> how do i disable?
[04:34] <Kaleidoscope> Unloadin him to someone else, Daskreech? :P
[04:34] <abacaxi> the noveau driver
[04:34] <Daskreech> abacaxi: pastebin the output of lsmod
[04:35] <Daskreech> Oh you mean on boot? You said you blacklisted it
[04:35] <abacaxi> http://pastebin.com/sPBe6455
[04:36] <abacaxi> already on the blacklist
[04:36] <abacaxi> the driver
[04:36] <abacaxi> yet he seems to start
[04:40] <]-[K> got xfire logins working with ubuntu/pidgin :D
[04:42] <Daskreech> well it's still there. What's the error for the modprobe -r
[04:43] <abacaxi> FATAL: Module nouveau is in use.
[04:44] <Kaleidoscope> Maybe he didn't blacklist it properly?
[04:44] <]-[K> kale
[04:44] <]-[K> is there someway to check if a program has a newer version :D ?
[04:44] <]-[K> compitable with your distro
[04:44] <abacaxi> can be
[04:45] <Kaleidoscope> Go to the website?
[04:45] <Kaleidoscope> If it has a newer version, You can try manually adding it if it's not in the repository
[04:45] <]-[K> yeah i have but it doesnt tell u if the latest version is ubuntu :P
[04:45] <Kaleidoscope> If it has a linux version, It should run fine
[04:45] <abacaxi> I edited / etc / modprob.d / blacklist.conf
[04:45] <]-[K> latest release is like 2.9
[04:45] <]-[K> kpackagekit got 2.7 :(
[04:46] <Kaleidoscope> Yea, you should be able to run it fine
[04:46] <Kaleidoscope> So long as you know how to properly install it yourself
[04:46] <]-[K> should i uninstall this old version or use an sudo update command or ?
[04:46] <abacaxi> well put blacklist nouveau
[04:46] <Kaleidoscope> Uninstall the old
[04:47] <]-[K> i dunno how to use the file its giving me :D
[04:47] <Kaleidoscope> What file type is it?
[04:47] <]-[K> ppa package
[04:47] <Kaleidoscope> O.o
[04:48] <Kaleidoscope> Google it, I've no idea
[04:48] <]-[K> it says gdebi package installer can do it
[04:48] <]-[K> :d
[04:48] <Kaleidoscope> Run it with that then
[04:51] <]-[K> hmm
[04:59] <]-[K> getting latest version now using sudo apt-get :D
[05:01] <Daskreech> ]-[K: You want to install a ppa?
[05:01] <]-[K> yeah im all good
[05:01] <]-[K> i did it with console sudo apt-get
[05:01] <]-[K> :D
[05:02] <Kaleidoscope> :)
[05:02] <]-[K> now to add some plugins to it :D
[05:02] <]-[K> xfire and steam network
[05:02] <]-[K> :D
[05:07] <abacaxi> guys is now working
[05:07] <abacaxi> the driver proprietary on nvidia
[05:07] <abacaxi> \O/
[05:07] <abacaxi> finally
[05:08] <abacaxi> resolved with this command
[05:08] <abacaxi> echo options nouveau modeset=0 | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/nouveau-kms.conf
[05:08] <abacaxi> sudo update-initramfs -u
[05:09] <abacaxi> thanks for the help
[05:09] <abacaxi> hus _O_
[05:09] <abacaxi> hugs*
[05:15] <Daskreech> :-)
[05:22] <]-[K> is xmms a good music player ?
[05:22] <]-[K> xmms2
[05:24] <bazhang> ]-[K, its not xmms, if that is your question; xmms was replaced with audacious
[05:24] <]-[K> ah i see
[05:24] <]-[K> im using amarok atm
[05:24] <bazhang> !players
[05:24] <bazhang> audacious is *very* minimal
[05:24] <]-[K> hmm
[05:25] <Kaleidoscope> I Recommend VLC
[05:25] <]-[K> yeah i got vlc installed
[05:25] <]-[K> i mainly use it for video thow
[05:25] <]-[K> cause i use foobar2000 on windows
[05:25] <]-[K> and used winamp for ages :p
[05:26] <]-[K> gonna see if i can install the latest vlc
[05:29]  * Daskreech uses kaffeine for music
[05:42] <]-[K> any of u guys used telepathy befor ?
[05:43] <Kaleidoscope> Never got it to work, Could almost, but guess my psychic skillz are weak
[05:43] <]-[K> lol
[05:44] <]-[K> i mean the stuff for linux
[05:44] <Kaleidoscope> yea, I know
[05:44] <]-[K> :|~
[05:44] <Kaleidoscope> Nah, I've never used it :P
[05:44] <]-[K> hmm
[05:44] <]-[K> seems like a good apporach to get music status messages working
[05:44] <]-[K> on vlc and that
[05:44] <]-[K> video status
[05:45] <Kaleidoscope> possibly
[05:45] <]-[K> ive got amarok submitting songs to lastfm
[05:45] <Kaleidoscope> Either way I'm off to bed, Night all
[05:45] <]-[K> later
[05:49] <Daskreech>  ]-[K: It's not really actually usable
[05:49] <]-[K> aww :(
[05:50] <]-[K> there still working on it :P ?
[05:50] <Daskreech> Well yeah :)
[05:50] <]-[K> hmmk
[05:50] <Daskreech> but more on the we are building it side than the oooooooooooh you know what would be a good thing to add
[05:51] <]-[K> u got vlc on kubuntu ?
[05:51] <Daskreech> Me ? no it's there though
[05:51] <]-[K> hmm
[05:51] <]-[K> so your a dev of telepathy ?
[05:51] <Daskreech> Not directly :)
[05:52] <]-[K> i always wanted to learn programming
[05:52] <]-[K> wouldnt know wat language to start with :P
[05:52] <Daskreech> English!
[05:52] <Daskreech> Program brains
[05:52] <Daskreech> start with 4chan they are easy to manipulate
[05:52] <]-[K> lol
[06:05]  * szal seconds the suggestion of English
[06:31] <Jane1> is there a featurefull too to fix all types of disk and table errors of ext4 or ntfs ?
[06:33] <ct529> hi! What is the best way to show RSS rolling on the screen , so that when you see one of them it is taken off the list?
[06:40] <Daskreech> Jane1: fsck ?
[06:40] <Daskreech> ct529: Akregator?
[06:40] <Jane1> Daskreech no use
[06:41] <Daskreech> Jane1: well not for ntfs obviously
[06:41] <Daskreech> You need windows for that
[06:43] <Jane1> ya but its not working for ext4 either
[06:43] <Jane1> where are the mountpoints written and seved in linux. its not booting coz i mounted ntfs. i want to unmount it by a live cd
[06:44] <ct529> Daskreech: Akgregator does not offer the rolling feture i am afriad
[06:47] <Daskreech> ct529: What's that?
[06:48] <Daskreech> Jane1: /etc/fstab
[06:48] <Jane1> how to mount something one home?
[06:57] <ct529> Daskreech: It was in my original question. I need a tool or a widget that shows RSS feeds rolling on the screen, and that makes one item disappear once you have clicked read it.
[06:57] <Daskreech> ct529: I've never tried it but I heard there is a akregator plasmoid
[06:57] <Daskreech> I know there is a RSS data engine so there are probably 3 or 4 plasmoids that do RSS
[06:58] <Daskreech> Jane1: you mean on home?
[06:58] <ct529> Did not find it
[06:58] <Daskreech> ct529: I guess you looked on kde-look and kde-apps ?
[07:00] <ct529> I used the get new widget .... isn't that linked with kde-look and kde-apps?
[07:00] <Daskreech> Yes
[07:00] <Daskreech> Well KDe look
[07:00] <Daskreech> not apps as far as I know
[07:01] <ct529> nothing there
[07:04] <Daskreech> hmm :-/
[07:05] <Daskreech> Jane1: What are you trying to do?
[07:07] <Jane1> Daskreech on /home
[07:07] <Daskreech> mount  /path/to/file/system /home
[07:08] <Jane1> whats path to file sys
[07:11] <ct529> Daskreech: I looked in kde-apps.org now, but nothing on akgregator
[07:12] <Daskreech> Jane1: I don't know. What are you mounting there?
[07:12] <Daskreech> ct529: just look up rss
[07:12] <Daskreech> if akregator is there it will pop up if not you will catch the other RSS stuff
[07:13] <ct529> Daskreech: of course I am doing that .... :-D .... I meant there is no widget for akgregator
[07:13] <Daskreech> Jane1: You can mount any Formatted file system to any directory. Just depends on where you are keeping the filesystem
[07:13] <Daskreech> ct529: Ah shame. look to see if any others have a rolling interface
[07:14] <Daskreech> I personally wouldn't be able to stand that but I normally have somewhere around 7,000 to 15,000 unread in the RSS
[07:16] <Jane1> how to unmount sda6
[07:16] <Jane1> ?
[07:17] <Daskreech> Jane1: Where is it mounted to?
[07:22] <home> Hello, I would like to put one more language for the keyboard, how do I do that?
[07:25] <Daskreech> home: alt+f2 -> language
[07:25] <Daskreech> Jane1: if it's mounted to / or /home then you will need a live CD
[07:25] <Daskreech> if you want something else mounted over those though you can simply mount it without unmounting sda6
[07:27] <home> I just want to add one more language to my keyboard. Why is it difficult to do in kubuntu ?
[07:36] <home> I pressed Shift +Control and + to make the web page bigger. Now how to I go back to the custom size?
[07:42] <Daskreech> home: ctrl+0
[07:42] <home> thanks
[07:43] <home> I like kubuntu so far for desktop use
[07:56] <kristoff> hi !
[07:57] <Daskreech> kristoff: Hi
[07:57] <kristoff> someone knows how to regroup all apps in one window automatically (like in move window to group)
[07:57] <kristoff> ?
[07:58] <Daskreech> Make a rule in advanced options for Kwin
[07:59] <Daskreech> Special application settings
[07:59] <kristoff> thanks
[08:04] <ct529> flah plugin on the last kubuntu release is a pain in the butt
[08:06] <ct529> anyone else with the same experience
[08:06] <ct529> ?
[08:07] <Tm_T> ct529: not really, but then again we cannot affect how adobe flash plugin acts very much
[08:09] <ct529> Tm_T: I am using 64 bit, and I tell you .... it is probably leaking .... anyway, xorg and kwin resource usage goes through the roof, it often freezes (both with firefox and chrome)
[08:10] <ct529> your have sometime to restart the browser if you watch long videos, and it seems to interact with some applications .... possibly at memory level, because it is leaking
[08:10] <Tm_T> unfortunately as it's closed source app, only Adobe can help with it I think
[08:11] <valorie> ct529: FlashAid addon helps
[08:11] <valorie> a lot
[08:11] <valorie> I have to use it every few days
[08:11] <valorie> they keep messing with flash
[08:12] <ct529> Tm_T: I was wondering if it was possible to "Roojail" and hard limit the resource usage
[08:12] <ct529> valorie: I have it installed as well
[08:16] <valorie> it's only failed me once
[08:17] <valorie> and flash worked the next day
[08:17] <szal> ct529: what Flash version?
[08:18] <ct529> szal: 10.3.181.34ubuntu0.11.04.1
[08:19] <ct529> valorie:sorry, I thought you meant flash block !
[08:19] <szal> prolly w/ ndiswrapper..  *shudder*
[08:19] <valorie> heh
[08:19] <valorie> can't do without that either
[08:19] <szal> *nspluginwrapper
[08:19] <valorie> :-)
[08:20] <ct529> szal: prolly? :-)
[08:20] <szal> ct529: lazy man's slang for 'probably'
[08:20] <ct529> valorie I am trying it now
[08:20] <ct529> szal: that's great, will use it more
[08:22]  * szal uses the native 64bit 11.0 beta Flash plugin, and used the native 64bit 10.2 beta before that
[08:22] <ct529> szal: can you point me to it?
[08:22] <ct529> szal: valorie: that is what flashaid is downloading now!
[08:22] <szal> ct529: https://launchpad.net/~sevenmachines/+archive/flash
[08:22] <valorie> it makes it simple
[08:26] <ct529> calorie: szal: Tm_T: thanks a lot, it seems to use much less kwin and xorg
[08:27] <ct529> valorie: szal: Tm_T: still a lot, but much less
[09:13] <gwibber> Problem mit Auflösungseinstellungen: Ich habe ein Notebook, an das ich im stationären Betrieb einen Monitor anschließe. Wenn der Monitor angeschlossen ist, will ich dass das Bild nur auf dem Monitor in nativer Auflösung angezeigt wird. Wenn nicht, dann auf dem Notebookbildschirm in nativer Auflösung. Wie kann ich das einstellen?
[09:14] <gwibber> Momentan ist es so: ist der Monitor angeschlossen, und das Notebook aufgeklappt, zeigen beide Monitore das Bild in nativer Auflösung des Notebooks an. Klappe ich das Notebook zu, zeigt nur der externe Monitor das Bild _in der Auflösung des Notebooks_ an
[09:15] <gwibber> Wenn ich in den Einstellungen den externen Monitor als einzigen Standardmonitor festlege (nötig, um die native Auflösung zu bekommen) , zeigt KDE auf dem Notebookdisplay auch dann nichts an, wenn ich den externen Monitor trenne
[09:17] <gwibber> Das Problem ist leider extrem nervig, da es um den Unterschied 1920x1080 zu 1280x800 geht. Die native Auflösung für den externen Monitor wird auch nur bis zum nächsten neustart gespeichert
[09:19] <bazhang> !de | gwibber
[09:31] <millun> hi, can i ask an ADSL router + Router thing?
[09:32] <millun> i bought a Dlink router to connect with an existing ADSL router
[09:33] <millun> ..for internet sharing. but it won't share. ADSL is DHCP and there is one ETH cable connected to Dlink router. i even tried MAC cloning so everything should work as before but it won't connect.
[09:34] <millun> the other option (but i do NOT know if correct, but advised somewhere) is to set Dlink as PPPoE
[09:35] <millun> do you think it might be that? because normal DHCP won't work on Dlink.... if i set it to PPPoE, the internet icon blinks green a few times... i am kind of confused
[09:35] <moetunes> millun:  turn off dhcp in the second router
[09:37] <millun> oh
[09:38] <millun> so i should set my clients on Dlink as statically-assigned?
[09:44] <faLUCE> hi. Is there a good program with GUI that allows me to perform actions on certain conditions?   something like a GUI where I enter " when date is "12-12-2013" execute script1, execute script2" Briefly, something like an editor for scripts, but user friendly
[09:48] <millun> by second router you meant - disable DHCP on ADSL router OR disable DHCP on Dlink router? sorry for confusion
[09:48] <James147> faLUCE: kcron is a gui frontend to the systems schedular... and kate is a gui frontend to writing scripts in any language :D
[09:49] <moetunes> millun:  use the router that connects to the net for dhcp not the second one
[09:49] <moetunes> only one router should do dhcp
[09:50] <millun> oic, thanks a lot moetunes
[09:51] <moetunes> np :)
[09:51] <millun> i appreciate it, don't know much about networking..
[09:56] <faLUCE> James147: thanks
[09:59] <millun> but if i do it that way - will i be able to connect to the second router with notebooks, mobile phones etc? (with DHCP off)
[10:00] <millun> maybe i could turn off DHCP on the first router, then?
[11:01] <m_tadeu> hi there...when I wake up my kubuntu after putting it in sleep mode, xorg takes me 100% cpu. is this normal?
[11:01] <Tm_T> wouldn't call it normal, no
[11:06] <m_tadeu> how can I check what xorg is doing?
[11:32] <dirty-green> bonjour ??
[12:15] <gulzar> what is the alternative of 'disk-utility' in KDE?
[12:29] <steliosas> hello, I have webcam lifecam cinema and I am using kubuntu 11.04
[12:29] <steliosas> I was wondering if someone has the same camera and how they managed to work with skype. Video is fine but I have no microphone funtion and the camera has a built in microphone which works in windows 7.
[12:32] <steliosas> and with kubuntu how do I update any updates that I might have for my system ?
[12:35] <James147> steliosas: kpackagekit can update your system, or via a terminal run: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[12:36] <steliosas> James147: thanks
[12:37] <steliosas> any good messenger to bring my hotmail messages to my kubuntu desktop ?
[12:39] <James147> steliosas: kopete?
[12:41] <steliosas> ok thanks James147
[12:47] <steliosas> can someone tell me where to download the latest drivers for UVC linx ?
[12:47] <steliosas> linux*
[12:48] <James147> steliosas: as far as I know its included in the kernel
[12:50] <steliosas> ok , the thing is that everyone brags about the fact that lifecam cinema works in linux but it won't work in my 11.04 kubuntu. Just the video works.
[12:50] <steliosas> no microphone. Am I missing something ?
[12:51] <Kduby> Hello guys i would like some help with KDE
[12:51] <James147> steliosas: then its more likly a problem with alsa then uvc... run "alsamixer" in a terminal and make sure teh capture channels arnt muted or turned down
[12:51] <James147> !help | Kduby
[12:52] <Kduby> Ok... Well i am running normal ubuntu and i would like to install KDE so here it comes..
[12:52] <Kduby> Can i install KDE with the features i wan
[12:52] <Kduby> want*
[12:52] <bazhang> kubuntu-desktop package Kduby
[12:53] <James147> Kduby: kubuntu-desktop will install kde with all the default programs that come with kubuntu... or you can install the indivdual packages for the parts you want
[12:53] <steliosas> James147:  is there any chance that you tell me how to do that? I don't know how to run alsamixer though the teriminal
[12:54] <Kduby> Is there any way to download the Desktop Layouts and install them separetely?
[12:54] <James147> steliosas: open konsole -> type "alsamixer" in ther window that appears -> press enter -> press  F4 to switch to capture devices, use the arrow keys to move back and forth and change teh volume and "m" to toggle mute
[12:55] <James147> Kduby: you mean "folder view", "desktop", "Search and launch" etc?
[12:56] <Kduby> search and launch only
[12:56] <Kduby> It is the only extra i want
[12:56] <James147> Kduby: possibally... not sure how they are packaged though... but dose it matter if you have an extra one installed?
[12:57] <Kduby> well no if it 1 to 10
[12:57] <Kduby> but not like before about 50+ apps
[12:58] <James147> Kduby: well, if you install the minimal needed kde packages see what it contains then install anything else you need
[13:00] <Kduby> OK thanx for your time :)
[13:00] <James147> Kduby: kdebase-workspace is probally a good one to start with
[13:02] <steliosas> James147: this is what I see here, this is a screenshot http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/830/snapshot2nw.jpg/
[13:06] <James147> steliosas: try http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1666396
[13:20] <steliosas> kmix does not load.
[13:21] <James147> steliosas: what happens when you try to run it in a terminal?
[13:21] <steliosas> I will try it now
[13:21] <James147> !pastebin | steliosas
[13:22] <steliosas> James147:  there is nothing to pastebin. Through the terminal I get nothing.
[13:22] <James147> steliosas: is it already running?
[13:22] <BluesKaj> hey folks
[13:22] <steliosas> I can't access it James147
[13:23] <steliosas> oh I am so sorry. it's running James147
[13:25] <steliosas> James147:  I am going to restart to check if there will be any effect on all these changes
[13:44] <ubuntu____> hi
[13:46] <BluesKaj> hi
[13:59] <armin_> hi guys.. does anyone have an idea what might cause me not being able to share any directories as user? when going in dolphin directory->share->configure file sharing does not seem to work
[13:59] <armin_> I first had to sudo to root, but then nothing appears.. and now.. later the button just greys out for a second and does nothing
[14:05] <BluesKaj> armin_, whats the option when you click on share?
[14:09] <armin_> nevermind I was missing kdenetwork-filesharing..
[14:19] <jimmy51_> BluesKaj: heatwave here in the midwest US.  When I woke up it was already 28.5 C and muggy out, expected to rise to 38 - 40 C.  this makes me glad i'm in a lab in front of a linux machines and not installing roofing.
[14:20] <jimmy51_> oh wow.  sorry.. i hadn't scrolled.  you wrote that to me yesterday :/
[14:22] <BluesKaj> jimmy51_, no kidding , even here in Northern Ontario it's 28C/84F here already , going up to 32C/91F ...we're used to the cold here , but not the heat and humidity
[14:23] <BluesKaj> we do have an A/C, since the summers here have become so much warmer in the last 10 yrs or so
[14:26] <BluesKaj> so jimmy51_ , you got your boot prob fixed ok ?
[14:30] <jimmy51_> BluesKaj: yeah.  it was caused by either lilo, virtuabox, or something else.  the 11.04 upgrade failed on initramfs, the system wasn't bootable.
[14:31] <jimmy51_> i booted to the livecd, chrooted in, and yofel walked me through getting my packages back in line.
[14:31] <jimmy51_> i removed vbox 3.0, lilo, ubox, and some other things i don't even remember intsalling.
[14:32] <jimmy51_> yofel thinks it was lilo that caused it.  i had installed it to mess with bootloaders on flash media a while back and didn't need it anymore.
[14:32] <jimmy51_> then i reinstalled grub2 in the chroot'd environment.
[14:32] <jimmy51_> now i've got 11.04 it all of its goodness running.
[14:33] <BluesKaj> yofel, is a good person , he has knowledge and patiencs and he uses kde , as opposed to those "others" :)
[14:33] <jimmy51_> hehe.
[14:33] <BluesKaj> er patience
[14:36] <BluesKaj>  ran into a doozie character this morning over at #ubuntu... making blanket statements and being rude to ppl , just another geekoid showing off his linux chops , lacking in any social graces
[14:37] <BluesKaj> thank goodness they're becoming fewer these days
[14:42] <jimmy51_> BluesKaj: ug.  i remember hitting those guys when i started dabbling in it.  the "LOL! M$ idiot" blah blah dudes.
[14:43] <jimmy51_> BluesKaj: not quite as bad are the google/man pages suggestors.  as if you haven't already looked!
[14:45] <OerHeks> it did not help me at all, anti-ms-attitude.
[14:46] <BluesKaj> yeah,, I recall going into a debian chat aroun 6-7 yrs ago , the fav respons to questions in the so called support chat was "RTFM NOOB"
[14:46] <ohga> how do I correct the situation where a newly created user, with an always valid password, none the less have to enter a new password when logging in through ssh or nomachine?
[14:48] <BluesKaj> hoppyite_, do you mean you want password-less access in ssh ?
[14:48] <BluesKaj> oops ohga^
[14:48] <BluesKaj> soryy hoppyite_ ...wrong nick
[14:48] <ohga> no, I am setting up a password in the KDE user management, but I have to pick a new password according to the shell login..
[14:49] <ohga> I should mention I'm doing this through a nomachine (NX) session, but I'm typing my sudo password so it should be in order...
[14:50] <ohga> the testing of the new account I'm doing through a ssh client
[14:52] <BluesKaj> nomachine (NX) session is not familiar to me , ohga ..sorry..but ssh is and afaik unless you setup pw=less access in ssh for a particular user or group , the default will always be a pw query
[14:53] <ohga> yes yes, I want the password there, but it's the requirement to change it that's spooky..
[14:54] <ohga> in KDE I pick a password and have it set to "valid, always", but it seems it's not so..
[14:54] <ohga> when I log in with that user I'm asked to change the password....
[14:56] <ohga> I'm a bit perplexed over what I could have changed to make this happen. I have my ordinary sudo user and one other user created before which behaves normaly
[14:57] <BluesKaj> did you change to enabled in modify user acct and not enter a pw , perhaps ?
[14:58] <OerHeks> is it a first-time-pass you setup, wich have to be changed the first time a user logs in ?
[14:59] <ohga> I have entered a password both when creating and modifying, nothing seem to work. and I've been sure that the validity is set to always, no requirement to change is set
[15:05] <Daskreech> jimmy51_: Most people don't look at man pages
[15:07] <BluesKaj> ohga, perhaps a reboot ?
[15:07] <Daskreech> ohga: You can set the password to be changed in certain time periods. I think
[15:07] <ohga> I find it strange if that's required.. but I'll give it a try
[15:08] <ohga> Daskreech: yes, but I don't want it to change..
[15:08] <BluesKaj> yeah, agreed, but sometimes when it comes identities and passwords ....
[15:09] <ohga> BluesKaj: right, how inconvenient..
[15:09] <jimmy51_> Daskreech: hehe, most likely.  they're pretty hard to read.
[15:09] <Daskreech> ohga: What happens if you change it then reconnect does it require a change again?
[15:09] <ohga> easy now, the system is geting back up now..
[15:10] <ohga> still asking for password change after I rebooted
[15:10] <ohga> ok, so you want me to try a dummy password and then reconnect.. I'm on it
[15:13] <ohga> ok.. I changed it, got disconnected (I guess that's by the protocol..). logging in again with new password worked..
[15:13] <ohga> but..... why does it work this way?
[15:13] <Daskreech> Hmm
[15:13] <Daskreech> some policy is set somewhere
[15:14] <ohga> hm.. where could this "somewhere" be then...
[15:16] <ohga> beginners question perhaps, but a "Real Name" is not required, is it?
[15:19] <James147> ohga: shouldn't be
[15:20] <ohga> hm... I'll try to create the user through the shell instead..
[15:26] <ohga> missed the default shell.. how do I set it after I created the user?
[15:27] <James147> ohga: sudo chsh -s /bin/bash user   ^^ though normally /bin/bash is the default one for new users if you dont tell it one
[15:27] <James147> (that is when you create a new user it should default to /bin/bash)
[15:28] <ohga> hm.. defaults to sh on my comp..
[15:30] <ohga> anyway, using the shell to create the users is working much better..
[15:32]  * James147 finds the shell better for allot of things :D
[15:33] <ohga> you're not the first one to mention that..
[15:33] <ohga> the fact I'm interacting with KDE remotely through NX only adds to it I guess
[15:42] <ohga> ok so, thanks for the help with helping myself :-P
[16:20] <digitig> Newbie having trouble setting up print sharing on network. I've found https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkPrintingWithUbuntu but it seems that refers to a different  version of CUPS so I can't follow the instructions. Where can I find instructions that work for CUPS 1.4.4?
[16:22] <James147> digitig: dont see why it would ahve changed that much since 10.04... what problems are you ahving when following it?
[16:26] <digitig> James147: Well, "Select Server in the menu bar, and then Settings." -- there is no "Server" in the menu bar. "Right click on the printer you want to share and select properties" -- I right click on the printer and there's no entry "properties" in the popup menu I get...
[16:28] <James147> digitig: ^^ its describing ubuntu not kubuntu... though http://localhost:631/ should be the same on both
[16:30] <digitig> james147: I used http://localhost:631 to open the window I'm using, but it doesn't match those instructions. I don't see how it can -- right clicks are intercepted by the browser so right clicking /can't/ give me a CUPS menu.
[16:33] <BluesKaj> James147, what about an install --reinstall of cups , would that bring it up to date including the version and config files ?
[16:33] <James147> BluesKaj: why would that be needed? he needs to configure it to do what he wants
[16:34] <BluesKaj> well, if the version wrong or out of date ...
[16:35] <James147> BluesKaj: the link describes howto do it for gnome... so it wont really matter what version of cups he has
[16:36] <James147> digitig: on http://localhost:631/ go to administration > add printers and mess aroudn with that... I cant really test it as I dont ahve a printer attached to this computer
[16:37] <BluesKaj> James147, IC...I misunderstood
[16:37] <digitig> Ok, I think I've got it. The problem is that http://localhost:631 takes me to a completely different interface to the one described. K |  Computer |  System Settings | Printers takes me to the interface described.
[17:05] <ashkan> just say hi!
[17:07] <Peace-> hi
[17:11] <Daskreech> hi
[17:12] <N3RD> hi
[17:13] <Ab3l> hi
[17:23] <mauri_> how  can  I know which are the packages do not update with apt-get?
[17:26] <OerHeks> all packages will update, unless you installed the deb manually
[17:28] <yofel> mauri_: please don't crosspost :/
[17:30] <mauri_> yofel: please may you tell me the irc for kubuntu italian
[17:30] <BluesKaj> !it
[18:01] <LogicallyDashing> I would like a way to reposition the cursor in the terminal using the mouse, similar to Terminal.app in OSX: http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=2002031023473071
[18:17] <BluesKaj> LogicallyDashing, I've often wished for that capability as well, but I havent found out how in the terminal...yet..maybe the ppl at #ubuntu may know , the terminal works the same for all desktops afaik
[18:20] <Daskreech> LogicallyDashing: Emacs shortcutkeys work
[18:21] <LogicallyDashing> Daskreech: yeah, I figured that out. That's not the feature I'm looking for.
[18:21] <Daskreech> I generally find it faster than the mouse most of the time
[18:53] <LogicallyDashing> BluesKaj: I eventually solved the problem by changing my shell. Not my terminal emulator--my shell. I'm using zsh and this thing: http://stchaz.free.fr/mouse.zsh
[18:59] <ashwin> how can i change text color inside lancelot?
[19:04] <interestedindivi> Quick question if I may... I've just been trying to copy a 14gb directory full of video files from my kubuntu machine to an external hard drive connected to a mac via samba. I use this drive all the time with no issues. The only problem is that my kubuntu machine goes to sleep during the copy. Of course I can change my power settings but surely things like playing mp3s or copying files should stop sleep from happening? Can anyone
[19:04] <interestedindivi>  suggest why this might not be the case for me?
[19:06] <interestedindivi> anyone got a clue?
[19:08] <well_laid_lawn> it will probably be based on user activity not running processes
[19:08] <well_laid_lawn> I don't do sleep/hibernate tho - just guessing
[19:09] <interestedindivi> I feel sure that certain processes should stop sleep from happening ordinarily
[19:10] <well_laid_lawn> the amount of variables then could possibly be endless
[19:11] <well_laid_lawn> who wants what and when
[19:11] <interestedindivi> I see what you are saying. I know that my mac doesn't sleep in these situations. I've never noticed this on my linux machine before but I haven't copied this much stuff and walked away before. Does seem strange.
[19:12] <well_laid_lawn> I think having a computer left on but doing nothing is strange
[19:13] <well_laid_lawn> depends on your point of view
[19:13] <well_laid_lawn> ...
[19:13] <well_laid_lawn> I'm off to work
[19:13] <interestedindivi> I see it's just I'm not doing nothing I'm copying 14gb of videos to a samba server... Thanks for your ideas
[19:14] <interestedindivi> wonder if anyone else has an idea?
[19:51] <faLUCE> Hi, I'm searching for a text editor (or something similar) which allows me to compose sentences by defined rules. For example: it allows only words "one" "two" "three" and if I type "one" then I must type "two". it has to be simpler than emacs... any idea?
[19:59] <Daskreech> faLUCE: umm
[19:59] <Daskreech> somethign that can be scripted. (which would make it about as complex as a Emacs since it's just using scripts)
[21:42] <patty_> hallo
[22:23] <DeathRipping155> hello>
[22:23] <DeathRipping155> ?
[22:26] <Linkmaster> Hello
[22:36] <almigi> a hoy hoy
[22:39] <Linkmaster> almigi: ?
[22:42] <almigi> Linkmaster: hello :)
[22:43] <almigi> Linkmaster: what's up?
[22:43] <Linkmaster> Just hanging around
[22:44] <lcb> hanging where?
[22:48] <Linkmaster> lcb: in your tty4
[22:49] <lcb> oops, forgot closing it
[22:49] <Linkmaster> "*connection closed by host*" darn it!
[22:50] <lcb> ouch, your finger stayed on this side. nailed it!
[22:51]  * Linkmaster sneaks to lcb 's tty2
[22:51] <lcb> haha forget it, no ttys available now.
[22:52] <Linkmaster> darn darn
[22:52] <Linkmaster> So close too
[22:55]  * lcb sticks a $1 bill into the only open whole in the machine, the cd tray, and sends it to Linkmaster to buy a tty to test his skills. ***** Burning....
[22:55] <Linkmaster> xD
[22:56] <lcb> oops, offtopic. lets go back to TTYs
[22:56] <Linkmaster> Uhm...uhm....tty's are good for system restoration!
[22:56] <lcb> indeed, 7 ttys
[22:57] <Linkmaster> 7 times the power! One for the GUI, the other 6 for fixing whatever you did to mess up the GUI xD
[22:57] <lcb> Who's the GUI?
[22:57] <Linkmaster> him!
[22:57] <lcb> ah. HIM: Human In Machine
[22:57] <Linkmaster> Exactly
[22:58] <Linkmaster> Caps lock failed me on that one
[22:58] <Linkmaster> whoops, offtopic, back to the amazingness of tty's
[22:58] <lcb> unlock it/HIM
[22:59] <lcb> Cops Lack Caps Lock?
[23:00] <lcb> oops, day changed here and still half day of work before bed
[23:02] <Linkmaster> You're going to be up real late :/
[23:02] <lcb> or early (in the morning)
[23:06] <lcb> Linkmaster: where's your inspiration? You didn't answer that one.
[23:08] <lcb> Linkmaster; Why Cops Lack Caps Lock?  Answer: because capital sentences are not used in lower cases
[23:08] <lcb> for example...
[23:08] <Linkmaster> hahah
[23:08] <lcb> lol
[23:08] <lcb> back to work
[23:08]  * Linkmaster is stressed due to lots of external pressures, hence his lack of enthusiasm
[23:10] <lcb> Linkmaster: exercise: 1 day at a time, 1 hr every 60 minutes and take advantage of each second as if it were the first.
[23:10] <lcb> *if it is*
[23:11] <lcb> better
[23:11] <Linkmaster> even doing that I'm getting a little stressed :P but if I had forgetton about that...I don't want to know actually xD
[23:11] <lcb> i have to compile this deep spasms and get some mone from it
[23:11] <lcb> money, either
[23:20] <lcb> for some unknown  reason i lost Games > from menus
[23:21] <lcb> don't use it too often so i have no clue when/why happened
[23:24] <lcb> Linkmaster: any of the LibreOffice apps edits PDFs?
[23:25] <Linkmaster> lcb: Okular might...I'm not sure though, I don't usually use LibreOffice[just now getting used to it], and if you uninstalled any games, and it was the only one, that'd be why
[23:25] <lcb> i need to fill some fields with info. i'm an PDF editor but i wonder if that is possible
[23:25] <lcb> *i'm using a PDF ediror*
[23:25] <lcb> grrr editor
[23:26] <lcb> Linkmaster: about the games, in fact no, didn't install - the other way, i installed a couple last week, but didn't use it yet
[23:27] <lcb> interesting thing though. installing one or more should go to the menu, but doesn't
[23:28] <lcb> so.... no playing games while driving Internet
[23:28] <Linkmaster> Interesting...
[23:29] <lcb> these menus needs some work, btw. some probs when customizing it.
[23:30] <Linkmaster> I don't use kmenu :P
[23:32] <lcb> for example i had one submenu with GIRLS. i decided to move it for CLASSIFIED. then, I lost all GIRLS and every time i want to create a new place for them/it, i got ghost folders whi a number in front. I gave up when I got GIRLS68
[23:32] <lcb> whi/whit
[23:32] <lcb> with
[23:33] <lcb> i didn't want to go so far as 69
[23:33] <lcb> now i wonder if kmenu don't like GIRLS
[23:33]  * Linkmaster tries not to laugh
[23:34] <lcb> I mean, moving GIRLS
[23:34] <lcb> i mean, folders/meaning sub-menus
[23:34] <lcb> try try
[23:35] <lcb> Linkmaster: what are you using for it?
[23:40] <lcb> yooopiii LibreOff  Draw edits PDFs very easily
[23:40] <Linkmaster> lcb: I use lancelot, its a little interesting at first, but its amazing after a bit
[23:40] <lcb> ahh ok. i have some menus with it too
[23:41] <Linkmaster> You ever use lancelot?
[23:42] <lcb> Linkmaster: yes, i have several virtual desks and i use it on two
[23:42] <lcb> smal menus though, specifically for those desktops themes/purposes
[23:42] <lcb> small too
[23:42] <Linkmaster> Ah, seperate widgets for all?
[23:43] <lcb> yes
[23:43] <Linkmaster> I wish I could do the same on my computer, but with only 1gig of RAM, and running full desktop effects + indexing, I'm a little worried about system allocation[though its performed beautifully the whole time, so no complaints]
[23:44] <lcb> for instance, i have one for all Internet apps, other for virtual machines, other for work, other for System (playing/tweaking/infos/etc)
[23:44] <lcb> one for work
[23:44] <lcb> oops, only one for work, not two. i can't buy another job
[23:45] <Linkmaster> Haha xD
[23:45] <lcb> Linkmaster: don't you have computer repair shops near by?
[23:45] <Snooffy> lcb what's GIRLS?
[23:47] <lcb> Snooffy: playing with words. the situation i mentioned is referred in launchpad as bug. but i didn't have time yet to check what's going on with the creation of ghost folders when moving some sub-menus
[23:47] <lcb> not with GIRLS though :p
[23:48] <lcb> Linkmaster: i asked that because i miss the times in the states when/where i could get spare parts for computers for less than money and build machines
[23:50] <lcb> hey... Snooffy, you are using  http://webchat . i forgot that exists. i used it a very long time ago
[23:50] <lcb> and i mean, probably 10 or 15 yrs ago, don't know
[23:51] <Snooffy> hehe lcb is the only client which i can use with our stupid proxy at work
[23:51] <lcb> Snooffy: yes, that's one of the advantages of it. it's cool
[23:52] <Snooffy> it is quite cool, simple and working, nothing complicated...
[23:53] <lcb> i'm using Internet since / before being officially named Internet, the times of BBS (bulletin system systems) - i think that's the designation- when we chat and play over  analog telephone lines with 28 bps modems
[23:54] <lcb> bulletin board systems, i guess
[23:54] <Snooffy> when i started i've used 56modems... jeez the phone bills were amazing, my mom wanted to kill me :P
[23:55] <lcb> hehehe
[23:56] <lcb> i'm getting old.... geeez. i just discovered a white hair under my right arm
[23:56] <lcb> Linkmaster makes me older, with his tricks on my TTYs
[23:56] <Guest28958> hmm
[23:57] <lcb> hi Guest28958. be our guest.
[23:57] <Guest28958> Is anyone knowledgble about creating gnome icon packages ?
[23:57] <Guest28958> lol
[23:57] <lcb> Guest28958: this is #Kubuntu :o
[23:57] <Guest28958> different engine
[23:57] <erikdecker> hi guys im having a problem trying to use the "hold" command in Kubuntu 11.04
[23:57] <Guest28958> damn i see
[23:57] <Guest28958> I run ubuntu
[23:58] <erikdecker> i know it works in that but in K it doesnt
[23:58] <Guest28958> ok
[23:58] <lcb> #ubuntu , GuestTwoEightNineFiveEight
[23:58] <lcb> or #gnome ...
[23:59] <erikdecker> do any know it says invalid operation
[23:59] <Guest28958> Doesn't Ubuntu utilise Gnome ?
[23:59] <lcb> erikdecker: 'hold' where?
[23:59] <lcb> Guest28958: it could
[23:59] <erikdecker> this is the exact line:
[23:59] <erikdecker> sudo apt-get hold libmtp8 libmtp-dev libusb-dev libusb-0.1-4
[23:59] <Guest28958> lcb , what is the default gui engine for ubuntu ( im a bit confused ) " newbie "