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| Chat8379 | hi | 02:46 |
| RedSingularity | Ok good. Yes, the user has the xswat ppa installed so I am not surprised. Could you give me the dependency tree if possible? Here is the bug link again. bug 797673 | 04:55 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 797673 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "upgrade from Ubuntu 10.10 to 11.0.4 64bit is halted (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/797673 | 04:55 |
| RedSingularity | jibel_: ^ | 04:55 |
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| evfool | ping mvo | 11:04 |
| mvo | hey evfool | 11:30 |
| evfool | mvo: could you please check bug 410310's last comment, Manfred Hampl does have a good point there | 11:31 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 410310 in update-manager (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "update-manager inconsistent with download size (affects: 10) (dups: 3) (heat: 76)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/410310 | 11:31 |
| mvo | thanks, let me check it out | 11:32 |
| mvo | evfool: indeed, he raises two good points | 11:43 |
| mvo | evfool: I think we need to change humanize_size to comply with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnitsPolicy | 11:43 |
| mvo | evfool: plus getting the decimal point thing from the locale | 11:44 |
| evfool | mvo: then also apt strutl has to be changed, as the factor is 1000.0 there | 11:44 |
| mvo | 1000.0 should be ok according to the unit policy 1kB = 1.000 bytes | 11:45 |
| evfool | mvo: right, sorry for that... couldn't we use then apt's strutl function in u-m, as u-m already depends on apt (AFAIK) | 11:46 |
| evfool | mvo: to avoid duplicating the code/writing the same thing in python ? | 11:47 |
| mvo | yeah, thats fine, if its doing the right thing, absolutely. loale.format(group=True) is the way to go with the locale | 11:47 |
| mvo | evfool: I haven't check if apt does the grouping as well, but I guess its not that important as the numbers are usually quite small | 11:48 |
| mvo | evfool: I'm all for using apt if it does all we need :) | 11:48 |
| evfool | mvo: thanks, I'll take a look, see what I can do about that, also assigning this one to me | 11:49 |
| mvo | great, thanks! let me know when its ready and I will merge or if you are getting stuck :) | 11:49 |
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| Laibsch | Can somebody running multihead setup in oneiric please test whether bug 379382 is still an issue? If not, I'd like to get the SRU ball rolling. | 13:07 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 379382 in gnome-utils (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "gnome-screenshot (Alt-Printscreen) black/blanks out top of windows in multi monitor xinerama (affects: 16) (heat: 74)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/379382 | 13:07 |
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| Ursinha | pedro_: hola :) | 14:55 |
| Ursinha | pedro_: I've created this branch in launchpad: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-defect-analysts/+junk/reports-trunk | 14:55 |
| Ursinha | pedro_: you can put your scripts there, than I can put mine | 14:55 |
| Ursinha | we can work together, together is nice :) | 14:55 |
| pedro_ | Ursinha, bom dia, sure i'll propose a branch, thanks for creating it :-) | 14:58 |
| Ursinha | pedro_: buenos dias :) don't bother proposing a merge, I'll make that branch owned by the defect-analysts team and you'll have access to that | 14:59 |
| Ursinha | just put your scripts there and let's call it the 0 point :) | 14:59 |
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| * hggdh is curious about the closed cycle above | 15:04 | |
| bdmurray | pedro_: do you remember some bug about system users showing up in the display manager user's list? I just saw Samba guest account. | 15:24 |
| pedro_ | Ursinha, i've added some code to the branch | 15:25 |
| Ursinha | pedro_: cool :) | 15:25 |
| Ursinha | I'll take a look soon | 15:26 |
| pedro_ | bdmurray, i don't recall something like that , will do some search and let you know | 15:26 |
| bdmurray | bug 696038 | 15:27 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 696038 in gdm (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "system user appears in login list of users (affects: 4) (heat: 24)" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/696038 | 15:27 |
| pedro_ | bdmurray, is the same happening with ligthdm? | 15:28 |
| bdmurray | pedro_: don't know I'm using gdm at the moment | 15:29 |
| pedro_ | well if its still there with gdm that'd be nice to fix too | 15:29 |
| pedro_ | could you please open a bug? | 15:29 |
| pedro_ | im sure upstream would be interesting on it | 15:30 |
| bdmurray | bug 814139 | 15:34 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 814139 in gdm (Ubuntu) "samba guest user appears in list of users (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/814139 | 15:34 |
| pedro_ | thanks | 15:34 |
| bdmurray | oh I didn't mention that other bug | 15:34 |
| pedro_ | Folks remember that today is the Banshee bug day : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20110721 | 15:35 |
| pedro_ | there's still a lot of bugs waiting to be squashed | 15:35 |
| bdmurray | pedro_: update the topic? | 15:37 |
| pedro_ | oh right | 15:37 |
| pedro_ | i'll put at the organizing instructions so we don't forget | 15:37 |
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| charlie-tca | Is this really going to help or make it harder to find the bugs that really need work? | 17:08 |
| charlie-tca | http://blog.launchpad.net/bug-tracking/automatic-confirmation | 17:08 |
| brendand_ | hmm, let's see | 17:10 |
| greg-g | charlie-tca: hopefully easier. It should allow those who only want to help triage bugs that have been confirmed see all bugs that have actually been confirmed (by dupiclate/me too's) | 17:10 |
| charlie-tca | I hope so. I see a lot of bugs marked confirmed that get ignored because they are confirmed already | 17:11 |
| micahg | well, I would think there's 2 steps to triage, 1. can the bug be reproduced, 2. does this bug have enough information to dig for a fix | 17:13 |
| charlie-tca | How many bugs in "Confirmed" do you look at as needing triaged? | 17:13 |
| hggdh | this is the problem with having so coarse granularity... | 17:13 |
| micahg | well, 1 is confirmed, 2 is triaged | 17:14 |
| hggdh | if there are 'me too's and/or dupes, then the bug should be initially confirmed, I agree with it | 17:14 |
| micahg | right | 17:15 |
| hggdh | may not have enough data to set it to triaged, though, and may be a red herring | 17:15 |
| charlie-tca | so, we think it should help then | 17:15 |
| hggdh | I think so, Charlie, out of the depths of my ignorance | 17:15 |
| charlie-tca | I just see a problem with too many bugs in "New" being moved to too many bugs in "Confirmed" | 17:16 |
| hggdh | there is a potential problem, yes | 17:16 |
| hggdh | this does not *solve* the issue of too many bugs needing triage, of course | 17:17 |
| micahg | well, this could potentially affect teams that use confirmed as triaged though | 17:18 |
| charlie-tca | agreed. Maybe my brain is working overtime again, seeing issues when they don't exist yet | 17:18 |
| hggdh | micahg: this is only for Ubuntu and LP | 17:18 |
| hggdh | Ubuntu should not use 'confirmed == triaged' | 17:18 |
| charlie-tca | at this time, they are going to decide whether or not to make it apply to all projects in launchpad | 17:19 |
| micahg | hggdh: ISTR X and kernel having confirmed meaning more than confirmed | 17:19 |
| hggdh | oh hell | 17:19 |
| * hggdh goes on grumbling about not having more status and substatus | 17:20 | |
| charlie-tca | um, kernel does confirm without always being to reproduce, though, since so much is hardware specific there. | 17:20 |
| micahg | hggdh: have you filled out the bug survey yet? | 17:20 |
| hggdh | nope | 17:20 |
| hggdh | I am not sure I want to, the questions are not quite there | 17:20 |
| charlie-tca | hggdh: +1 on needing more/finer tuned status | 17:20 |
| yofel | charlie-tca: for kernel confirmed means the debug info is present, not that the bug is confirmed | 17:20 |
| * micahg thinks both of you need to fill out the survey | 17:20 | |
| hggdh | micahg: you win ;-) I will do it | 17:21 |
| micahg | hggdh: hopefully we all win :) | 17:21 |
| hggdh | just got a bit unhappy with the questions, and decided to wait a bit to cool down | 17:21 |
| charlie-tca | yofel: that's what I meant to say. | 17:21 |
| yofel | k :) | 17:23 |
| bdmurray | hggdh: I'd be interested to hear why you are unhappy with the questions if you could send me an email. | 17:24 |
| bdmurray | charlie-tca: you too | 17:25 |
| brendand | bdmurray: i'd be happy to fill it out, if it applies to me. not sure where it is. | 17:26 |
| bdmurray | https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dGZqcm9YS083V19XT1RSMmV1RFJ2U3c6MQ | 17:30 |
| brendand | bdmurray - thanks , filling it now | 17:39 |
| brendand | bdmurray - my personal pet peeve is duplicate detection | 17:39 |
| hggdh | bdmurray: done | 18:08 |
| hggdh | so you can pretty much find which answer is mine ;-) | 18:08 |
| bdmurray | I'm sure I'd be able to spot your lingo anywhere | 18:11 |
| hggdh | LOL | 18:12 |
| Ampelbein | hello there, bugsquad. I'm thinking about adding a pattern for bug #523896 in the bugpatterns file as there are loads of reports with the same installation problem (stale /etc/[passwd|group|shadow].lock). The pattern would look like http://paste.ubuntu.com/649356/ . Do you think this is a good idea? | 18:27 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 523896 in shadow (Ubuntu) "useradd: cannot lock /etc/passwd; try again later. (affects: 20) (dups: 7) (heat: 111)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/523896 | 18:27 |
| Ampelbein | I'm a bit unsure if it is ok to just add such a pattern that would act on all (well, all apport-package) reports without discussing it first. | 18:28 |
| bdmurray | Ampelbein: I'm on a call but will look at it soon | 18:48 |
| Pici | w/22 | 18:49 |
| Ampelbein | bdmurray: sure. Also, I would add the same pattern for DpkgTerminalLog (so that normal package installs are found as well). So the complete diff would be http://paste.ubuntu.com/649376/ | 18:50 |
| bdmurray | Ampelbein: thanks for writing all the patterns you have | 18:52 |
| RedSingularity | bdmurray: I recall a discussion about this, but are we still marking 'invalid' due to inactivity or are we allowing the janitor to 'expire' it? | 18:53 |
| bdmurray | RedSingularity: just let the janitor do it | 18:54 |
| RedSingularity | bdmurray: very good. Thanks. | 18:54 |
| Ampelbein | bdmurray: no problem. The more patterns we have the less time we spend on triaging known bugs. | 18:55 |
| Ampelbein | (And package installation are easy targets for patterns) | 18:56 |
| bdmurray | Ampelbein: indeed | 19:02 |
| Ampelbein | bdmurray: so, about the pattern. I think it will do the right thing, redirect issues of locked passwd/groups/shadow files to 523896 - they are not bugs in the package that cause the failure report. | 19:04 |
| bdmurray | bug 523896 | 19:15 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 523896 in shadow (Ubuntu) "useradd: cannot lock /etc/passwd; try again later. (affects: 20) (dups: 7) (heat: 108)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/523896 | 19:15 |
| bdmurray | Ampelbein: looking now | 19:15 |
| bdmurray | Ampelbein: did you test it on any packages using search-bugs? | 19:17 |
| Ampelbein | bdmurray: I did try with ./test-local 813914 (a rtkit issue) | 19:20 |
| bdmurray | right, but search-bugs can also be useful for finding false positives | 19:21 |
| bdmurray | so think of a package that adds a user, postfix?, and check its bugs too | 19:22 |
| bdmurray | ./search-bugs --package postfix --tags apport-package | 19:22 |
| Ampelbein | oh, right. False positive testing is important although I can't imagine a false match. | 19:23 |
| Ampelbein | Hmm, there is no option to search all bugs tagged apport-package? | 19:23 |
| bdmurray | no, it'd probably time out anyway ;-) | 19:24 |
| bdmurray | or maybe I did write that | 19:24 |
| * bdmurray looks | 19:24 | |
| bdmurray | nope | 19:24 |
| Ampelbein | I'll do some tests against postfix, vsftp, courier and others I can think of that add users. | 19:26 |
| bdmurray | Looking at all my local DpkgTerminalLog.txt files there are only 25 matches | 19:27 |
| bdmurray | so I wouldn't worry too much | 19:27 |
| Ampelbein | say what? You have all DpkgTerminalLog.txt files from Launchpad on your computer? Wow, that's dedication ;-) | 19:28 |
| bdmurray | only from the open bugs ;-) | 19:28 |
| Ampelbein | nice | 19:30 |
| bdmurray | I think the pattern looks good though | 19:41 |
| Ampelbein | Ok, my testing didn't reveal any problem with the pattern and I think the explanation in 523896 is good enough to give people a hint what to do next. | 19:44 |
| Ampelbein | So I'll commit/push the changes. | 19:44 |
| Ampelbein | Thanks for your input, bdmurray. | 19:44 |
| nerd_bloke | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/292203 has been marked as invalid against ppp, which project should it be assigned to for user creation with a usergroup membership? | 19:53 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 292203 in ppp (Ubuntu) "/usr/bin/pppd has group owner dip, not dialout (affects: 6) (dups: 2) (heat: 48)" [Undecided,Invalid] | 19:53 |
| bdmurray | Ampelbein: I think updating the description with the stuff from comment 12 could help us track it down too | 19:54 |
| Ampelbein | I agree, I will update the description | 19:55 |
| Ampelbein | But I will do that tomorrow, Bed is calling ;-) | 19:56 |
| Laibsch | bdmurray: from comment 12? | 19:58 |
| Laibsch | nerd_bloke: are you evgeniy | 20:00 |
| Laibsch | ? | 20:00 |
| Laibsch | that guy needs a chill pill (although I agree progress has been slow on that one, but that's no different from many other tickets) | 20:01 |
| Laibsch | nerd_bloke is also subscribed to the ticket apart from the OP, so I guess nerd_bloke is not evgeniy | 20:02 |
| Laibsch | I think it's probably best to open a new ticket and dupe 292203 to that one | 20:03 |
| Laibsch | bdmurray, Ampelbein: I now realize you were talking about something else entirely. | 20:05 |
| bdmurray | pedro_: what package tells me I have num lock on when logging in a locked system? | 20:08 |
| nerd_bloke | Laibsch: there are a few tickets floating around for modems on ubuntu/gnome, i'd prefer not to create more dupes | 20:09 |
| nerd_bloke | Laibsch: he has a point, it should be a group membership for the default member... | 20:09 |
| Laibsch | I'm not creating a dupe, at least that's not my intention. But I want to start from a clean slate | 20:09 |
| Laibsch | I agree about the problem | 20:10 |
| nerd_bloke | Laibsch: but i don't know which team handles that side of things | 20:10 |
| Laibsch | but I want a fresh ticket so devs understand immediately what needs to be done and don't have to wade through the rant | 20:10 |
| Laibsch | I'm trying to figure out what package creates the first account on the system | 20:10 |
| Laibsch | I think I'll try my luck with "live-installer", seems like the most likely candidate | 20:12 |
| Laibsch | nerd_bloke: bug 814270 it is now | 20:17 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 814270 in live-installer (Ubuntu) "first user created on the system needs to be in dip group (affects: 7) (dups: 3) (heat: 44)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/814270 | 20:17 |
| Laibsch | oh, duping now does transfer the "affects X users", cool! | 20:18 |
| nerd_bloke | Laibsch: thanks | 20:21 |
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| bdmurray | woot dpkg bugs under 100 | 23:43 |
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