RedSingularityOk good.  Yes, the user has the xswat ppa installed so I am not surprised.  Could you give me the dependency tree if possible?  Here is the bug link again.  bug 79767304:55
ubot4Launchpad bug 797673 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "upgrade from Ubuntu 10.10 to 11.0.4 64bit is halted (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/79767304:55
RedSingularityjibel_: ^04:55
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evfoolping mvo11:04
mvohey evfool11:30
evfoolmvo: could you please check bug 410310's last comment, Manfred Hampl does have a good point there11:31
ubot4Launchpad bug 410310 in update-manager (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "update-manager inconsistent with download size (affects: 10) (dups: 3) (heat: 76)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41031011:31
mvothanks, let me check it out11:32
mvoevfool: indeed, he raises two good points11:43
mvoevfool: I think we need to change humanize_size to comply with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnitsPolicy11:43
mvoevfool: plus getting the decimal point thing from the locale11:44
evfoolmvo: then also apt strutl has to be changed, as the factor is 1000.0 there11:44
mvo1000.0 should be ok according to the unit policy 1kB = 1.000 bytes11:45
evfoolmvo: right, sorry for that... couldn't we use then apt's strutl function in u-m, as u-m already depends on apt (AFAIK)11:46
evfoolmvo: to avoid duplicating the code/writing the same thing in python ?11:47
mvoyeah, thats fine, if its doing the right thing, absolutely. loale.format(group=True) is the way to go with the locale11:47
mvoevfool: I haven't check if apt does the grouping as well, but I guess its not that important as the numbers are usually quite small11:48
mvoevfool: I'm all for using apt if it does all we need :)11:48
evfoolmvo: thanks, I'll take a look, see what I can do about that, also assigning this one to me11:49
mvogreat, thanks! let me know when its ready and I will merge or if you are getting stuck :)11:49
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LaibschCan somebody running multihead setup in oneiric please test whether bug 379382 is still an issue? If not, I'd like to get the SRU ball rolling.13:07
ubot4Launchpad bug 379382 in gnome-utils (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "gnome-screenshot (Alt-Printscreen) black/blanks out top of windows in multi monitor xinerama (affects: 16) (heat: 74)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37938213:07
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Ursinhapedro_: hola :)14:55
Ursinhapedro_: I've created this branch in launchpad: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-defect-analysts/+junk/reports-trunk14:55
Ursinhapedro_: you can put your scripts there, than I can put mine14:55
Ursinhawe can work together, together is nice :)14:55
pedro_Ursinha, bom dia, sure i'll propose a branch, thanks for creating it :-)14:58
Ursinhapedro_: buenos dias :) don't bother proposing a merge, I'll make that branch owned by the defect-analysts team and you'll have access to that14:59
Ursinhajust put your scripts there and let's call it the 0 point :)14:59
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* hggdh is curious about the closed cycle above15:04
bdmurraypedro_: do you remember some bug about system users showing up in the display manager user's list?  I just saw Samba guest account.15:24
pedro_Ursinha, i've added some code to the branch15:25
Ursinhapedro_: cool :)15:25
UrsinhaI'll take a look soon15:26
pedro_bdmurray, i don't recall something like that , will do some search and let you know15:26
bdmurraybug 69603815:27
ubot4Launchpad bug 696038 in gdm (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "system user appears in login list of users (affects: 4) (heat: 24)" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/69603815:27
pedro_bdmurray, is the same happening with ligthdm?15:28
bdmurraypedro_: don't know I'm using gdm at the moment15:29
pedro_well if its still there with gdm that'd be nice to fix too15:29
pedro_could you please open a bug?15:29
pedro_im sure upstream would be interesting on it15:30
bdmurraybug 81413915:34
ubot4Launchpad bug 814139 in gdm (Ubuntu) "samba guest user appears in list of users (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81413915:34
bdmurrayoh I didn't mention that other bug15:34
pedro_Folks remember that today is the Banshee bug day : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/2011072115:35
pedro_there's still a lot of bugs waiting to be squashed15:35
bdmurraypedro_: update the topic?15:37
pedro_oh right15:37
pedro_i'll put at the organizing instructions so we don't forget15:37
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charlie-tcaIs this really going to help or make it harder to find the bugs that really need work?17:08
brendand_hmm, let's see17:10
greg-gcharlie-tca: hopefully easier. It should allow those who only want to help triage bugs that have been confirmed see all bugs that have actually been confirmed (by dupiclate/me too's)17:10
charlie-tcaI hope so. I see a lot of bugs marked confirmed that get ignored because they are confirmed already17:11
micahgwell, I would think there's 2 steps to triage, 1. can the bug be reproduced, 2. does this bug have enough information to dig for a fix17:13
charlie-tcaHow many bugs in "Confirmed" do you look at as needing triaged?17:13
hggdhthis is the problem with having so coarse granularity...17:13
micahgwell, 1 is confirmed, 2 is triaged17:14
hggdhif there are 'me too's and/or dupes, then the bug should be initially confirmed, I agree with it17:14
hggdhmay not have enough data to set it to triaged, though, and may be a red herring17:15
charlie-tcaso, we think it should help then17:15
hggdhI think so, Charlie, out of the depths of my ignorance17:15
charlie-tcaI just see a problem with too many bugs in "New" being moved to too many bugs in "Confirmed"17:16
hggdhthere is a potential problem, yes17:16
hggdhthis does not *solve* the issue of too many bugs needing triage, of course17:17
micahgwell, this could potentially affect teams that use confirmed as triaged though17:18
charlie-tcaagreed. Maybe my brain is working overtime again, seeing issues when they don't exist yet17:18
hggdhmicahg: this is only for Ubuntu and LP17:18
hggdhUbuntu should not use 'confirmed == triaged'17:18
charlie-tcaat this time, they are going to decide whether or not to make it apply to all projects in launchpad17:19
micahghggdh: ISTR X and kernel having confirmed meaning more than confirmed17:19
hggdhoh hell17:19
* hggdh goes on grumbling about not having more status and substatus17:20
charlie-tcaum, kernel does confirm without always being to reproduce, though, since so much is hardware specific there.17:20
micahghggdh: have you filled out the bug survey yet?17:20
hggdhI am not sure I want to, the questions are not quite there17:20
charlie-tcahggdh: +1 on needing more/finer tuned status17:20
yofelcharlie-tca: for kernel confirmed means the debug info is present, not that the bug is confirmed17:20
* micahg thinks both of you need to fill out the survey17:20
hggdhmicahg: you win ;-) I will do it17:21
micahghggdh: hopefully we all win :)17:21
hggdhjust got a bit unhappy with the questions, and decided to wait a bit to cool down17:21
charlie-tcayofel: that's what I meant to say.17:21
yofelk :)17:23
bdmurrayhggdh: I'd be interested to hear why you are unhappy with the questions if you could send me an email.17:24
bdmurraycharlie-tca: you too17:25
brendandbdmurray: i'd be happy to fill it out, if it applies to me. not sure where it is.17:26
brendandbdmurray - thanks , filling it now17:39
brendandbdmurray - my personal pet peeve is duplicate detection17:39
hggdhbdmurray: done18:08
hggdhso you can pretty much find which answer is mine ;-)18:08
bdmurrayI'm sure I'd be able to spot your lingo anywhere18:11
Ampelbeinhello there, bugsquad. I'm thinking about adding a pattern for bug #523896 in the bugpatterns file as there are loads of reports with the same installation problem (stale /etc/[passwd|group|shadow].lock). The pattern would look like http://paste.ubuntu.com/649356/ . Do you think this is a good idea?18:27
ubot4Launchpad bug 523896 in shadow (Ubuntu) "useradd: cannot lock /etc/passwd; try again later. (affects: 20) (dups: 7) (heat: 111)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52389618:27
AmpelbeinI'm a bit unsure if it is ok to just add such a pattern that would act on all (well, all apport-package) reports without discussing it first.18:28
bdmurrayAmpelbein: I'm on a call but will look at it soon18:48
Ampelbeinbdmurray: sure. Also, I would add the same pattern for DpkgTerminalLog (so that normal package installs are found as well). So the complete diff would be http://paste.ubuntu.com/649376/18:50
bdmurrayAmpelbein: thanks for writing all the patterns you have18:52
RedSingularitybdmurray: I recall a discussion about this, but are we still marking 'invalid' due to inactivity or are we allowing the janitor to 'expire' it?18:53
bdmurrayRedSingularity: just let the janitor do it18:54
RedSingularitybdmurray: very good.  Thanks.18:54
Ampelbeinbdmurray: no problem. The more patterns we have the less time we spend on triaging known bugs.18:55
Ampelbein(And package installation are easy targets for patterns)18:56
bdmurrayAmpelbein: indeed19:02
Ampelbeinbdmurray: so, about the pattern. I think it will do the right thing, redirect issues of locked passwd/groups/shadow files to 523896 - they are not bugs in the package that cause the failure report.19:04
bdmurraybug 52389619:15
ubot4Launchpad bug 523896 in shadow (Ubuntu) "useradd: cannot lock /etc/passwd; try again later. (affects: 20) (dups: 7) (heat: 108)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52389619:15
bdmurrayAmpelbein: looking now19:15
bdmurrayAmpelbein: did you test it on any packages using search-bugs?19:17
Ampelbeinbdmurray: I did try with ./test-local 813914 (a rtkit issue)19:20
bdmurrayright, but search-bugs can also be useful for finding false positives19:21
bdmurrayso think of a package that adds a user, postfix?, and check its bugs too19:22
bdmurray ./search-bugs --package postfix --tags apport-package19:22
Ampelbeinoh, right. False positive testing is important although I can't imagine a false match.19:23
AmpelbeinHmm, there is no option to search all bugs tagged apport-package?19:23
bdmurrayno, it'd probably time out anyway ;-)19:24
bdmurrayor maybe I did write that19:24
* bdmurray looks19:24
AmpelbeinI'll do some tests against postfix, vsftp, courier and others I can think of that add users.19:26
bdmurrayLooking at all my local DpkgTerminalLog.txt files there are only 25 matches19:27
bdmurrayso I wouldn't worry too much19:27
Ampelbeinsay what? You have all DpkgTerminalLog.txt files from Launchpad on your computer? Wow, that's dedication ;-)19:28
bdmurrayonly from the open bugs ;-)19:28
bdmurrayI think the pattern looks good though19:41
AmpelbeinOk, my testing didn't reveal any problem with the pattern and I think the explanation in 523896 is good enough to give people a hint what to do next.19:44
AmpelbeinSo I'll commit/push the changes.19:44
AmpelbeinThanks for your input, bdmurray.19:44
nerd_blokehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/292203 has been marked as invalid against ppp, which project should it be assigned to for user creation with a usergroup membership?19:53
ubot4Launchpad bug 292203 in ppp (Ubuntu) "/usr/bin/pppd has group owner dip, not dialout (affects: 6) (dups: 2) (heat: 48)" [Undecided,Invalid]19:53
bdmurrayAmpelbein: I think updating the description with the stuff from comment 12 could help us track it down too19:54
AmpelbeinI agree, I will update the description19:55
AmpelbeinBut I will do that tomorrow, Bed is calling ;-)19:56
Laibschbdmurray: from comment 12?19:58
Laibschnerd_bloke: are you evgeniy20:00
Laibschthat guy needs a chill pill (although I agree progress has been slow on that one, but that's no different from many other tickets)20:01
Laibschnerd_bloke is also subscribed to the ticket apart from the OP, so I guess nerd_bloke is not evgeniy20:02
LaibschI think it's probably best to open a new ticket and dupe 292203 to that one20:03
Laibschbdmurray, Ampelbein: I now realize you were talking about something else entirely.20:05
bdmurraypedro_: what package tells me I have num lock on when logging in a locked system?20:08
nerd_blokeLaibsch: there are a few tickets floating around for modems on ubuntu/gnome, i'd prefer not to create more dupes20:09
nerd_blokeLaibsch: he has a point, it should be a group membership for the default member...20:09
LaibschI'm not creating a dupe, at least that's not my intention.  But I want to start from a clean slate20:09
LaibschI agree about the problem20:10
nerd_blokeLaibsch: but i don't know which team handles that side of things20:10
Laibschbut I want a fresh ticket so devs understand immediately what needs to be done and don't have to wade through the rant20:10
LaibschI'm trying to figure out what package creates the first account on the system20:10
LaibschI think I'll try my luck with "live-installer", seems like the most likely candidate20:12
Laibschnerd_bloke: bug 814270 it is now20:17
ubot4Launchpad bug 814270 in live-installer (Ubuntu) "first user created on the system needs to be in dip group (affects: 7) (dups: 3) (heat: 44)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81427020:17
Laibschoh, duping now does transfer the "affects X users", cool!20:18
nerd_blokeLaibsch: thanks20:21
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bdmurraywoot dpkg bugs under 10023:43
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