| ubottu | twb called the ops in #ubuntu-server () | 03:16 |
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| bazhang | <Noah> Will ubuntu assist me in receiving a labotomy? trolling multiple channels | 05:23 |
| rww | Yeah, I've been keeping an eye out for more from them. Seems quiet thusfar, though. | 05:24 |
| bazhang | yep. just gave an @mark in case there is some doubt as to his/her intent | 05:25 |
| Dawid | cze | 05:28 |
| Dawid | #ubuntu.pl | 05:29 |
| bazhang | Dawid, /join #ubuntu-pl | 05:29 |
| bazhang | whoops | 05:29 |
| rww | They're ban-forwarded here from #ubuntu because they apparently think #ubuntu's topic is "attack random people with cusswords". | 05:31 |
| elky | I can understand that confusion. It's a common typo. | 05:32 |
| elky | they also appear to be using mobileternets. | 05:33 |
| rww | hence the banforward being on their ident and ISP | 05:33 |
| bazhang | rww, seems we had dual bans on that one, I had already removed mine | 05:33 |
| bazhang | mernilio | 05:42 |
| dobeFEguy | hello | 06:44 |
| dobeFEguy | I have friends that were helping me out with some pretty serious customization to get my company working towards some linux products (I work with adobe) | 06:45 |
| Tm_T | dobeFEguy: yes? | 06:45 |
| dobeFEguy | my friends (tech leads from HP and Google) most of them were banned apparently over ego issues of moderators here not liking being corrected | 06:46 |
| rww | dobeFEguy: Do you happen to have nicknames handy so I can look up the relevant logs? | 06:46 |
| dobeFEguy | HP switched to Mint already, and he wants me to go the same route, and it sounds like google is talking about the same thing | 06:46 |
| dobeFEguy | I cant get that approved, how can I get them on here to help me out | 06:46 |
| dobeFEguy | Im not sure | 06:47 |
| rww | I can't really discuss bans if I don't know what situation you're talking about, after all :) | 06:47 |
| dobeFEguy | let me ping the guy I was talking to tonight and see what his nick was | 06:47 |
| rww | alright. Hostname works too, though you might prefer to PM that. | 06:47 |
| Tm_T | dobeFEguy: and just to comment what you have provided thus far: it's very irrelevant for who people work at (: | 06:48 |
| dobeFEguy | i dont understand | 06:48 |
| dobeFEguy | oh, sorry, I wasn't trying to brag that I work at adobe, I'm just excited that we are putting effort into linux finally so I like to let people know | 06:49 |
| rww | dobeFEguy: I think Tm_T's saying that we only consider peoples' behavior in #ubuntu when removing them, not their employer ;) | 06:49 |
| Tm_T | that ^ | 06:50 |
| Tm_T | anyway, there's nothing we can do until we have enough details, as rww stated (: | 06:50 |
| dobeFEguy | oh, I'm just saying that I think there are definitely people you don't want to drive away, especially when they were banned for no good reason, and both for the same thing, just seeing a pattern thats all and I was concerned | 06:51 |
| dobeFEguy | when you have the support of certain companies it is good for all | 06:52 |
| Tm_T | dobeFEguy: we don't know yet if they were banned for no good reason, or banned at all (: | 06:52 |
| dobeFEguy | noisewaterphd | 06:52 |
| Tm_T | ah, him | 06:52 |
| dobeFEguy | thats the guy I asked to help me tonight and he said he was still banned | 06:52 |
| dobeFEguy | i suppose we could communicate via other routes, but I'd like the thoughts of everyone here through the process | 06:53 |
| Tm_T | dobeFEguy: what really needs to happen is, if I recall correctly the situation with him, is that he comes here and discuss the situation with us | 06:54 |
| dobeFEguy | ok well i dont really know what to do | 06:55 |
| dobeFEguy | can you tell him that | 06:55 |
| Tm_T | unfortunately there's not much you can do (: | 06:55 |
| Tm_T | dobeFEguy: been told | 06:55 |
| rww | dobeFEguy: For what it's worth, the original discussion that got him forwarded here was between him and another non-operator, in which he insisted something rather obviously incorrect. There was no "moderator" involved in the discussion, so it's not a matter of "not liking being corrected". | 06:57 |
| Tm_T | dobeFEguy: I undestand if some people find our channel moderation a bit harsh at times, especially for bystanders who don't have all the details | 06:58 |
| rww | or, in other words, the person he was disagreeing with and the op that actioned him are different people. | 06:58 |
| dobeFEguy | i dont get it | 06:59 |
| dobeFEguy | they got banned for debating? | 06:59 |
| Tm_T | no | 06:59 |
| rww | No, they got banned for giving incorrect support in a support channel. | 06:59 |
| Tm_T | well, and continuing non-support debate in a support channel after being asked to discuss it elsewhere, I believe | 07:00 |
| dobeFEguy | that doesnt sound right, these guys I'm talking about are pretty brilliant, sounds like miscommunication to me | 07:00 |
| dobeFEguy | hes not answering me | 07:01 |
| dobeFEguy | If i can get him, who should I urge him to talk to? | 07:01 |
| Tm_T | to join this channel | 07:01 |
| Tm_T | so the discussion is publicly logged and be judged by others (: | 07:01 |
| dobeFEguy | ok thanks, maybe ill be back I guess | 07:03 |
| Tm_T | dobeFEguy: I also would like to notify that when we will be discussing with him about this, we will not allow bystanders to be in this channel | 07:04 |
| Tm_T | !logs | 07:04 |
| ubottu | Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ . LoCo channels are now logged there too; for older LoCo channel logs, see http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ | 07:04 |
| Tm_T | dobeFEguy: ^ | 07:04 |
| dobeFEguy | sorry, Ill go | 07:05 |
| Tm_T | dobeFEguy: if you have further questions about our policies, feel free to PM me or ask in this channel (: | 07:05 |
| Tm_T | bah | 07:05 |
| noisewaterphd | somebody wants to talk to me? | 07:17 |
| Tm_T | hi, depending on what you are looking for | 07:18 |
| noisewaterphd | I was asked for some help, a person I guess we both know said you wanted to talk to me | 07:19 |
| Tm_T | may I ask where you were asked for help? | 07:19 |
| noisewaterphd | aim | 07:20 |
| Tm_T | ok, was just wondering | 07:20 |
| noisewaterphd | he wanted me to join him on irc, I made an attempt but I am banned | 07:20 |
| noisewaterphd | I assume that is what this is all about | 07:21 |
| Tm_T | well, I doubt you did an attempt to join #ubuntu | 07:21 |
| noisewaterphd | i did | 07:21 |
| noisewaterphd | it dumped me here and told me i was still banned | 07:21 |
| Tm_T | when did you try join the channel? | 07:21 |
| noisewaterphd | not sure, maybe 30mins ago | 07:22 |
| Tm_T | ah, I see now, my bad | 07:22 |
| Tm_T | as you did try join #ubuntu, are you interested on trying to discuss the matter why you are directed to here? | 07:24 |
| noisewaterphd | sure thing | 07:25 |
| Tm_T | do you remember what it was about? | 07:25 |
| noisewaterphd | not exactly, I believe I was arguing about ssh with someone, and then hastily banned in my opinion | 07:26 |
| noisewaterphd | yep | 07:28 |
| noisewaterphd | i was arguing that ssh is a valid encryption mechanism for vpn | 07:28 |
| Tm_T | noisewaterphd: if I recall things correctly, and if I can gather enough from logs, that was one part of the discussion yes (: | 07:29 |
| jussi | Tm_T: and his crazy backwards smileys... | 07:29 |
| noisewaterphd | I was then provided a link as proof that i was wrong, however the link provided specifically listed ssh as a valid encryption mechanism for vpn | 07:29 |
| noisewaterphd | then i was banned with no notice | 07:29 |
| Tm_T | noisewaterphd: one moment | 07:30 |
| noisewaterphd | ya, i was just browsing the log as well | 07:30 |
| noisewaterphd | but again, i was not trying to attack the guy in anyway, but I can see how he could feel that way | 07:30 |
| jussi | noisewaterphd: I havent seen the log, but I'd say #ubuntu isnt really the place for arguing whats right and wrong, its a support channel. If you have a problem with what an op says, its best to join here and talk about it, get it cleared up and then go and support again in #ubuntu. | 07:31 |
| jussi | noisewaterphd: #ubuntu is too busy as it is. | 07:31 |
| Tm_T | what jussi says (: | 07:31 |
| noisewaterphd | my intention was not to cause a problem | 07:32 |
| Tm_T | if that doesn't happen voluntarily, sometimes banforward is used, like in this case | 07:32 |
| Tm_T | it might be a bit harsh, I admit that | 07:32 |
| jussi | I think thats probably the reason for the banforward to here, so ... yeah what Tm_T said :) | 07:32 |
| jussi | noisewaterphd: so do you think you could keep strictly to support in #ubuntu, and problems to PM/here? | 07:33 |
| noisewaterphd | I never had a problem in several years | 07:33 |
| noisewaterphd | and in the case where i was banned, I was really just trying to help | 07:34 |
| noisewaterphd | i think i just inadvertantly came off as combative | 07:34 |
| jussi | noisewaterphd: yeah, I hear you, just a matter of trying to keep things sane in there, its crazy enough as it is | 07:34 |
| noisewaterphd | so to directly answer your question: yes | 07:35 |
| jussi | noisewaterphd: no probs, Tm_T will get the ban removed for you then :) | 07:36 |
| jussi | thanks for understanding | 07:36 |
| noisewaterphd | np, thanks guys | 07:36 |
| Tm_T | noisewaterphd: ban is removed, you're free to join the support channel. Feel free to join this channel on any issue. (: | 07:37 |
| noisewaterphd | if there is anything else I'll lurk for a moment, otherwise have a good night gentlemen | 07:37 |
| noisewaterphd | thanks Tm_T | 07:37 |
| Tm_T | no need to lurk, you're free to part | 07:38 |
| noisewaterphd | of course now the guy asking me to come here is nowhere to be found :) | 07:38 |
| noisewaterphd | goodnight guys | 07:38 |
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| bazhang | its not a pinguy question :( | 12:58 |
| Dawid | #Ubuntu.pl | 16:33 |
| Dawid | #ubuntu.pl | 16:33 |
| Myrtti | Dawid: trying to access #ubuntu? | 16:36 |
| Dawid | #Chat-World | 16:46 |
| h00k | Dawid: What is your goal? | 16:48 |
| Pici | *!~dawid@*cdma.centertel.pl$#ubuntu-ops in #ubuntu | 16:48 |
| h00k | I saw that, yeah. | 16:49 |
| Dawid | #soulseek polska | 16:49 |
| ikonia | Dawid: do you speak English ? | 16:50 |
| Dawid | Icon-NoT. I know how Polish, and now with gogol korzytam interpreter | 16:51 |
| IdleOne | why not forward them to -pl instead of here | 17:27 |
| rww | because they're banned for cussing out users in #ubuntu, not for trying to access #ubuntu-pl | 17:28 |
| Pici | h00k: What was in that video? | 17:42 |
| h00k | Pici: It was Rebecca Black's new video :| | 17:42 |
| Pici | oh | 17:43 |
| Pici | I'm not clicking it. | 17:43 |
| h00k | Don't :( | 17:43 |
| Pici | I haven't seen or heard her other one... | 17:43 |
| h00k | ... | 17:43 |
| h00k | how? | 17:43 |
| h00k | You have skillz. | 17:43 |
| h00k | I applaud you. | 17:43 |
| Pici | I willfully avoided it. | 17:43 |
| h00k | although, I think it's an experience everyone should have once. | 17:43 |
| Pici | I've seen many other horrible internet things, I think I've had enough. | 17:44 |
| jussi | I saw about 10 seconds... was enough for me | 18:01 |
| popey | lightweights | 18:30 |
| popey | real men watch revbecca black all the way through | 18:30 |
| popey | then nyan cat | 18:30 |
| popey | GRRRR! | 18:30 |
| jpds | popey: s/black/brooke/ | 18:30 |
| Pici | Then Tunak Tunak Tun? | 18:30 |
| popey | *shudder* | 18:30 |
| h00k | I forgot about that song. | 18:32 |
| h00k | Tunak Tunak Tun | 18:32 |
| h00k | DA DA DA! | 18:32 |
| knome | rebecca black? who is that altogether?? | 18:32 |
| Jordan_U | Grr, autobleh failed me again. | 18:41 |
| oCean | my +q did not work? | 18:42 |
| Pici | oCean: you can't +q people who have a +e. | 18:44 |
| Pici | Which webchat people get. | 18:44 |
| oCean | oh right, I forgot | 18:45 |
| oCean | again :( | 18:45 |
| Pici | I wonder if that fellow connected using irc.ubuntu.com and thinks that #ubuntu is where they should be. | 18:45 |
| * h00k takes notes | 18:45 | |
| Jordan_U | Pici: To get close to the same effect with webchat users does it make sense to ban then (without removing them)? | 18:46 |
| Jordan_U | s/then/them/ | 18:46 |
| Pici | Jordan_U: no, the +e affects +b as well. | 18:46 |
| Jordan_U | :( | 18:46 |
| Pici | The bot takes care of it if you just kick. | 18:47 |
| oCean | a kick is sufficient to remove the exempt | 18:47 |
| Jordan_U | In that situation it would have been really nice to be able to quiet then talk in PM though :( | 18:47 |
| oCean | yes, that's what I intended | 18:47 |
| Pici | Well, they can still join #ubuntu with the current system, but the bots wont went an excempt for them. | 18:48 |
| Pici | Maybe I should just re-explain how webchat users are treated.. would that be helpful? | 18:49 |
| knome | wikipage? | 18:49 |
| Pici | There is one somewhere. | 18:49 |
| knome | link that to a factoid, THAT would be helpful :) | 18:49 |
| Pici | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Floodbots#Ban_Evasion_using_Webchat | 18:50 |
| Jordan_U | I understand it, I just find it unfortunate. | 18:50 |
| h00k | I should revisit these floodbots wikis | 18:51 |
| h00k | just to remember | 18:52 |
| Pici | I added it to the topic in -ops-monitor | 18:52 |
| h00k | bah. | 18:53 |
| h00k | wrong channel. I'm going to take a break for a while. | 18:53 |
| Dawid | #ubuntu.pl | 19:43 |
| h00k | @login | 19:45 |
| ubottu | The operation succeeded. | 19:45 |
| h00k | @btlogin | 19:45 |
| Corey | #ubuntu.pl is invite only. #ubuntu-pl is likely where you want to go. | 19:46 |
| Dawid | Cześć | 19:48 |
| oCean | Dawid: do you understand that you have been forwarded here for your bahaviour in #ubuntu? | 19:49 |
| oCean | Dawid: please respond | 19:51 |
| Dawid | Ocean- No | 19:52 |
| oCean | Dawid: your bahaviour and language in #ubuntu are unacceptable | 19:53 |
| Dawid | oCean- Okay, sorry | 19:53 |
| oCean | Dawid: because of that you are banned from that channel, do you understand? | 19:54 |
| Dawid | oCean- I understand | 19:55 |
| oCean | Dawid: the channel is English only. So you cannot start speaking in Polish. | 19:55 |
| oCean | !guidelines | 19:56 |
| ubottu | The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines | 19:56 |
| oCean | Dawid: please read those carefully ^ | 19:56 |
| Dawid | oCean- And you know any Polish, but not # ubuntu.pl | 19:56 |
| oCean | Dawid: the channel is #ubuntu-pl | 19:56 |
| oCean | not .pl | 19:57 |
| Pici | oCean: it forwards to #ubuntu-pl | 19:57 |
| oCean | Pici: oh, Corey pointed out it's invite only | 19:57 |
| Dawid | oCean- OK, but something else, because there are not people to be nice. If bad writing, I apologize, but kozytam with google translator. | 19:58 |
| Corey | There may be a forward on that, I didn't check. :-) | 19:58 |
| oCean | Dawid: ok, I understand. But you really have to try not to get upset. | 19:59 |
| Dawid | oCean- I did not want to offend anyone | 19:59 |
| oCean | Dawid: but you did, obviously. | 20:00 |
| oCean | I don't have to repeat those words, right? | 20:00 |
| Dawid | oCean- And you know some Polish IRC is just not what podawałeś before? | 20:01 |
| oCean | sorry? Can you rephrase that? | 20:01 |
| Dawid | oCean- Do you know any Polish IRC, but not this, then what You gave | 20:02 |
| oCean | oh, sorry - no I don't know any other polish channel. | 20:02 |
| oCean | #ubuntu-pl cannot help you? | 20:03 |
| Dawid | oCena- On that channel is not too interesting: / | 20:03 |
| oCean | Ok, sorry, but I cannot help you with that. | 20:04 |
| Dawid | oCean- It's a shame something can look for in google | 20:05 |
| oCean | So, if you think you can control yourself and like to use the #ubuntu channel again, I really need you to read those guidelines | 20:06 |
| oCean | !guidelines | 20:06 |
| ubottu | The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines | 20:06 |
| Dawid | I do not understand too much | 20:07 |
| oCean | Ok, the English might be difficult to grasp. What you do have to understand that we need you to respect the others in the channel | 20:08 |
| oCean | And that, when others point out some of the rules of the channel. you listen to them | 20:08 |
| Dawid | No longer can I behave normally, ie not to experience, etc. | 20:09 |
| oCean | Sorry, but I don't fully understand your last sentence | 20:09 |
| Dawid | I will not live and no one will be controlled | 20:10 |
| oCean | You don't want to follow the guidelines? | 20:10 |
| oCean | You don't want people to tell you how to behave? | 20:11 |
| Dawid | I'll have to behave well, apparently badly translated google | 20:12 |
| oCean | :) | 20:12 |
| oCean | ah ok, then. I understood that as "I don't want to be controlled" | 20:12 |
| Dawid | And you're the administrator here? | 20:12 |
| oCean | Operator, yes | 20:13 |
| oCean | I can remove your ban, so you can enter the #ubuntu channel again | 20:13 |
| Dawid | That I'm sorry for everything | 20:13 |
| Dawid | All right. thank you | 20:14 |
| oCean | that's a good start :) | 20:14 |
| oCean | But please remember that, when you get banned again, a second ban is much harder to get removed | 20:14 |
| oCean | Dawid: can you please try to join #ubuntu channel? | 20:15 |
| Dawid | Well, I remember. I'm new here, I have some Linux 2-3 days | 20:15 |
| oCean | Sure, we all started once... | 20:16 |
| Dawid | I can join the ubuntu channel? | 20:16 |
| oCean | please try | 20:17 |
| Dawid | And how do I get there? | 20:17 |
| oCean | type | 20:17 |
| oCean | /join #ubunt | 20:17 |
| oCean | err | 20:17 |
| oCean | /join #ubuntu | 20:17 |
| oCean | Dawid: it seems you joined! | 20:18 |
| Dawid | Well, I went. Once again thanks for everything and sorry | 20:18 |
| oCean | Sure, glad we worked it out. | 20:18 |
| oCean | Dawid: if there is nothing more we can do for you, can you leave this channel? | 20:19 |
| Dawid | And as I always turn on the IRC this channel I turn on ubuntu, how can I set myself to my two should join? | 20:19 |
| Dawid | Well, no problem. See you | 20:20 |
| Myrtti | smallfoot- | 20:22 |
| h00k | where? | 20:24 |
| Myrtti | #ubuntu | 20:24 |
| h00k | there. | 20:24 |
| h00k | I believe I still had a ban | 20:24 |
| oCean | yes, BT 37145 | 20:25 |
| h00k | So, that'd be ban evading, yes? | 20:26 |
| oCean | exactly | 20:26 |
| h00k | taken care of. | 20:27 |
| h00k | Oh, I had one in #ubuntu-offtopic | 20:27 |
| h00k | Myrtti: good eye, thank you | 20:29 |
| ubottu | FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (msmist appears to be abusive and has been muted, will need to be UNMUTED MANUALLY) | 22:14 |
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