[03:16] twb called the ops in #ubuntu-server () [05:23] Will ubuntu assist me in receiving a labotomy? trolling multiple channels [05:24] Yeah, I've been keeping an eye out for more from them. Seems quiet thusfar, though. [05:25] yep. just gave an @mark in case there is some doubt as to his/her intent [05:28] cze [05:29] #ubuntu.pl [05:29] Dawid, /join #ubuntu-pl [05:29] whoops [05:31] They're ban-forwarded here from #ubuntu because they apparently think #ubuntu's topic is "attack random people with cusswords". [05:32] I can understand that confusion. It's a common typo. [05:33] they also appear to be using mobileternets. [05:33] hence the banforward being on their ident and ISP [05:33] rww, seems we had dual bans on that one, I had already removed mine [05:42] mernilio [06:44] hello [06:45] I have friends that were helping me out with some pretty serious customization to get my company working towards some linux products (I work with adobe) [06:45] dobeFEguy: yes? [06:46] my friends (tech leads from HP and Google) most of them were banned apparently over ego issues of moderators here not liking being corrected [06:46] dobeFEguy: Do you happen to have nicknames handy so I can look up the relevant logs? [06:46] HP switched to Mint already, and he wants me to go the same route, and it sounds like google is talking about the same thing [06:46] I cant get that approved, how can I get them on here to help me out [06:47] Im not sure [06:47] I can't really discuss bans if I don't know what situation you're talking about, after all :) [06:47] let me ping the guy I was talking to tonight and see what his nick was [06:47] alright. Hostname works too, though you might prefer to PM that. [06:48] dobeFEguy: and just to comment what you have provided thus far: it's very irrelevant for who people work at (: [06:48] i dont understand [06:49] oh, sorry, I wasn't trying to brag that I work at adobe, I'm just excited that we are putting effort into linux finally so I like to let people know [06:49] dobeFEguy: I think Tm_T's saying that we only consider peoples' behavior in #ubuntu when removing them, not their employer ;) [06:50] that ^ [06:50] anyway, there's nothing we can do until we have enough details, as rww stated (: [06:51] oh, I'm just saying that I think there are definitely people you don't want to drive away, especially when they were banned for no good reason, and both for the same thing, just seeing a pattern thats all and I was concerned [06:52] when you have the support of certain companies it is good for all [06:52] dobeFEguy: we don't know yet if they were banned for no good reason, or banned at all (: [06:52] noisewaterphd [06:52] ah, him [06:52] thats the guy I asked to help me tonight and he said he was still banned [06:53] i suppose we could communicate via other routes, but I'd like the thoughts of everyone here through the process [06:54] dobeFEguy: what really needs to happen is, if I recall correctly the situation with him, is that he comes here and discuss the situation with us [06:55] ok well i dont really know what to do [06:55] can you tell him that [06:55] unfortunately there's not much you can do (: [06:55] dobeFEguy: been told [06:57] dobeFEguy: For what it's worth, the original discussion that got him forwarded here was between him and another non-operator, in which he insisted something rather obviously incorrect. There was no "moderator" involved in the discussion, so it's not a matter of "not liking being corrected". [06:58] dobeFEguy: I undestand if some people find our channel moderation a bit harsh at times, especially for bystanders who don't have all the details [06:58] or, in other words, the person he was disagreeing with and the op that actioned him are different people. [06:59] i dont get it [06:59] they got banned for debating? [06:59] no [06:59] No, they got banned for giving incorrect support in a support channel. [07:00] well, and continuing non-support debate in a support channel after being asked to discuss it elsewhere, I believe [07:00] that doesnt sound right, these guys I'm talking about are pretty brilliant, sounds like miscommunication to me [07:01] hes not answering me [07:01] If i can get him, who should I urge him to talk to? [07:01] to join this channel [07:01] so the discussion is publicly logged and be judged by others (: [07:03] ok thanks, maybe ill be back I guess [07:04] dobeFEguy: I also would like to notify that when we will be discussing with him about this, we will not allow bystanders to be in this channel [07:04] !logs [07:04] Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ . LoCo channels are now logged there too; for older LoCo channel logs, see http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ [07:04] dobeFEguy: ^ [07:05] sorry, Ill go [07:05] dobeFEguy: if you have further questions about our policies, feel free to PM me or ask in this channel (: [07:05] bah [07:17] somebody wants to talk to me? [07:18] hi, depending on what you are looking for [07:19] I was asked for some help, a person I guess we both know said you wanted to talk to me [07:19] may I ask where you were asked for help? [07:20] aim [07:20] ok, was just wondering [07:20] he wanted me to join him on irc, I made an attempt but I am banned [07:21] I assume that is what this is all about [07:21] well, I doubt you did an attempt to join #ubuntu [07:21] i did [07:21] it dumped me here and told me i was still banned [07:21] when did you try join the channel? [07:22] not sure, maybe 30mins ago [07:22] ah, I see now, my bad [07:24] as you did try join #ubuntu, are you interested on trying to discuss the matter why you are directed to here? [07:25] sure thing [07:25] do you remember what it was about? [07:26] not exactly, I believe I was arguing about ssh with someone, and then hastily banned in my opinion [07:28] yep [07:28] i was arguing that ssh is a valid encryption mechanism for vpn [07:29] noisewaterphd: if I recall things correctly, and if I can gather enough from logs, that was one part of the discussion yes (: [07:29] Tm_T: and his crazy backwards smileys... [07:29] I was then provided a link as proof that i was wrong, however the link provided specifically listed ssh as a valid encryption mechanism for vpn [07:29] then i was banned with no notice [07:30] noisewaterphd: one moment [07:30] ya, i was just browsing the log as well [07:30] but again, i was not trying to attack the guy in anyway, but I can see how he could feel that way [07:31] noisewaterphd: I havent seen the log, but I'd say #ubuntu isnt really the place for arguing whats right and wrong, its a support channel. If you have a problem with what an op says, its best to join here and talk about it, get it cleared up and then go and support again in #ubuntu. [07:31] noisewaterphd: #ubuntu is too busy as it is. [07:31] what jussi says (: [07:32] my intention was not to cause a problem [07:32] if that doesn't happen voluntarily, sometimes banforward is used, like in this case [07:32] it might be a bit harsh, I admit that [07:32] I think thats probably the reason for the banforward to here, so ... yeah what Tm_T said :) [07:33] noisewaterphd: so do you think you could keep strictly to support in #ubuntu, and problems to PM/here? [07:33] I never had a problem in several years [07:34] and in the case where i was banned, I was really just trying to help [07:34] i think i just inadvertantly came off as combative [07:34] noisewaterphd: yeah, I hear you, just a matter of trying to keep things sane in there, its crazy enough as it is [07:35] so to directly answer your question: yes [07:36] noisewaterphd: no probs, Tm_T will get the ban removed for you then :) [07:36] thanks for understanding [07:36] np, thanks guys [07:37] noisewaterphd: ban is removed, you're free to join the support channel. Feel free to join this channel on any issue. (: [07:37] if there is anything else I'll lurk for a moment, otherwise have a good night gentlemen [07:37] thanks Tm_T [07:38] no need to lurk, you're free to part [07:38] of course now the guy asking me to come here is nowhere to be found :) [07:38] goodnight guys === ldunn__ is now known as ldunn [12:58] its not a pinguy question :( [16:33] #Ubuntu.pl [16:33] #ubuntu.pl [16:36] Dawid: trying to access #ubuntu? [16:46] #Chat-World [16:48] Dawid: What is your goal? [16:48] *!~dawid@*cdma.centertel.pl$#ubuntu-ops in #ubuntu [16:49] I saw that, yeah. [16:49] #soulseek polska [16:50] Dawid: do you speak English ? [16:51] Icon-NoT. I know how Polish, and now with gogol korzytam interpreter [17:27] why not forward them to -pl instead of here [17:28] because they're banned for cussing out users in #ubuntu, not for trying to access #ubuntu-pl [17:42] h00k: What was in that video? [17:42] Pici: It was Rebecca Black's new video :| [17:43] oh [17:43] I'm not clicking it. [17:43] Don't :( [17:43] I haven't seen or heard her other one... [17:43] ... [17:43] how? [17:43] You have skillz. [17:43] I applaud you. [17:43] I willfully avoided it. [17:43] although, I think it's an experience everyone should have once. [17:44] I've seen many other horrible internet things, I think I've had enough. [18:01] I saw about 10 seconds... was enough for me [18:30] lightweights [18:30] real men watch revbecca black all the way through [18:30] then nyan cat [18:30] GRRRR! [18:30] popey: s/black/brooke/ [18:30] Then Tunak Tunak Tun? [18:30] *shudder* [18:32] I forgot about that song. [18:32] Tunak Tunak Tun [18:32] DA DA DA! [18:32] rebecca black? who is that altogether?? [18:41] Grr, autobleh failed me again. [18:42] my +q did not work? [18:44] oCean: you can't +q people who have a +e. [18:44] Which webchat people get. [18:45] oh right, I forgot [18:45] again :( [18:45] I wonder if that fellow connected using irc.ubuntu.com and thinks that #ubuntu is where they should be. [18:45] * h00k takes notes [18:46] Pici: To get close to the same effect with webchat users does it make sense to ban then (without removing them)? [18:46] s/then/them/ [18:46] Jordan_U: no, the +e affects +b as well. [18:46] :( [18:47] The bot takes care of it if you just kick. [18:47] a kick is sufficient to remove the exempt [18:47] In that situation it would have been really nice to be able to quiet then talk in PM though :( [18:47] yes, that's what I intended [18:48] Well, they can still join #ubuntu with the current system, but the bots wont went an excempt for them. [18:49] Maybe I should just re-explain how webchat users are treated.. would that be helpful? [18:49] wikipage? [18:49] There is one somewhere. [18:49] link that to a factoid, THAT would be helpful :) [18:50] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Floodbots#Ban_Evasion_using_Webchat [18:50] I understand it, I just find it unfortunate. [18:51] I should revisit these floodbots wikis [18:52] just to remember [18:52] I added it to the topic in -ops-monitor [18:53] bah. [18:53] wrong channel. I'm going to take a break for a while. [19:43] #ubuntu.pl [19:45] @login [19:45] The operation succeeded. [19:45] @btlogin [19:46] #ubuntu.pl is invite only. #ubuntu-pl is likely where you want to go. [19:48] Cześć [19:49] Dawid: do you understand that you have been forwarded here for your bahaviour in #ubuntu? [19:51] Dawid: please respond [19:52] Ocean- No [19:53] Dawid: your bahaviour and language in #ubuntu are unacceptable [19:53] oCean- Okay, sorry [19:54] Dawid: because of that you are banned from that channel, do you understand? [19:55] oCean- I understand [19:55] Dawid: the channel is English only. So you cannot start speaking in Polish. [19:56] !guidelines [19:56] The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines [19:56] Dawid: please read those carefully ^ [19:56] oCean- And you know any Polish, but not # ubuntu.pl [19:56] Dawid: the channel is #ubuntu-pl [19:57] not .pl [19:57] oCean: it forwards to #ubuntu-pl [19:57] Pici: oh, Corey pointed out it's invite only [19:58] oCean- OK, but something else, because there are not people to be nice. If bad writing, I apologize, but kozytam with google translator. [19:58] There may be a forward on that, I didn't check. :-) [19:59] Dawid: ok, I understand. But you really have to try not to get upset. [19:59] oCean- I did not want to offend anyone [20:00] Dawid: but you did, obviously. [20:00] I don't have to repeat those words, right? [20:01] oCean- And you know some Polish IRC is just not what podawałeś before? [20:01] sorry? Can you rephrase that? [20:02] oCean- Do you know any Polish IRC, but not this, then what You gave [20:02] oh, sorry - no I don't know any other polish channel. [20:03] #ubuntu-pl cannot help you? [20:03] oCena- On that channel is not too interesting: / [20:04] Ok, sorry, but I cannot help you with that. [20:05] oCean- It's a shame something can look for in google [20:06] So, if you think you can control yourself and like to use the #ubuntu channel again, I really need you to read those guidelines [20:06] !guidelines [20:06] The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines [20:07] I do not understand too much [20:08] Ok, the English might be difficult to grasp. What you do have to understand that we need you to respect the others in the channel [20:08] And that, when others point out some of the rules of the channel. you listen to them [20:09] No longer can I behave normally, ie not to experience, etc. [20:09] Sorry, but I don't fully understand your last sentence [20:10] I will not live and no one will be controlled [20:10] You don't want to follow the guidelines? [20:11] You don't want people to tell you how to behave? [20:12] I'll have to behave well, apparently badly translated google [20:12] :) [20:12] ah ok, then. I understood that as "I don't want to be controlled" [20:12] And you're the administrator here? [20:13] Operator, yes [20:13] I can remove your ban, so you can enter the #ubuntu channel again [20:13] That I'm sorry for everything [20:14] All right. thank you [20:14] that's a good start :) [20:14] But please remember that, when you get banned again, a second ban is much harder to get removed [20:15] Dawid: can you please try to join #ubuntu channel? [20:15] Well, I remember. I'm new here, I have some Linux 2-3 days [20:16] Sure, we all started once... [20:16] I can join the ubuntu channel? [20:17] please try [20:17] And how do I get there? [20:17] type [20:17] /join #ubunt [20:17] err [20:17] /join #ubuntu [20:18] Dawid: it seems you joined! [20:18] Well, I went. Once again thanks for everything and sorry [20:18] Sure, glad we worked it out. [20:19] Dawid: if there is nothing more we can do for you, can you leave this channel? [20:19] And as I always turn on the IRC this channel I turn on ubuntu, how can I set myself to my two should join? [20:20] Well, no problem. See you [20:22] smallfoot- [20:24] where? [20:24] #ubuntu [20:24] there. [20:24] I believe I still had a ban [20:25] yes, BT 37145 [20:26] So, that'd be ban evading, yes? [20:26] exactly [20:27] taken care of. [20:27] Oh, I had one in #ubuntu-offtopic [20:29] Myrtti: good eye, thank you [22:14] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (msmist appears to be abusive and has been muted, will need to be UNMUTED MANUALLY)