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[05:24] <rww> Yeah, I've been keeping an eye out for more from them. Seems quiet thusfar, though.
[05:25] <bazhang> yep. just gave an @mark in case there is some doubt as to his/her intent
[05:28] <Dawid> cze
[05:29] <Dawid> #ubuntu.pl
[05:29] <bazhang> Dawid, /join #ubuntu-pl
[05:29] <bazhang> whoops
[05:31] <rww> They're ban-forwarded here from #ubuntu because they apparently think #ubuntu's topic is "attack random people with cusswords".
[05:32] <elky> I can understand that confusion. It's a common typo.
[05:33] <elky> they also appear to be using mobileternets.
[05:33] <rww> hence the banforward being on their ident and ISP
[05:33] <bazhang> rww, seems we had dual bans on that one, I had already removed mine
[05:42] <bazhang> mernilio
[06:44] <dobeFEguy> hello
[06:45] <dobeFEguy> I have friends that were helping me out with some pretty serious customization to get my company working towards some linux products (I work with adobe)
[06:45] <Tm_T> dobeFEguy: yes?
[06:46] <dobeFEguy> my friends (tech leads from HP and Google) most of them were banned apparently over ego issues of moderators here not liking being corrected
[06:46] <rww> dobeFEguy: Do you happen to have nicknames handy so I can look up the relevant logs?
[06:46] <dobeFEguy> HP switched to Mint already, and he wants me to go the same route, and it sounds like google is talking about the same thing
[06:46] <dobeFEguy> I cant get that approved, how can I get them on here to help me out
[06:47] <dobeFEguy> Im not sure
[06:47] <rww> I can't really discuss bans if I don't know what situation you're talking about, after all :)
[06:47] <dobeFEguy> let me ping the guy I was talking to tonight and see what his nick was
[06:47] <rww> alright. Hostname works too, though you might prefer to PM that.
[06:48] <Tm_T> dobeFEguy: and just to comment what you have provided thus far: it's very irrelevant for who people work at (:
[06:48] <dobeFEguy> i dont understand
[06:49] <dobeFEguy> oh, sorry, I wasn't trying to brag that I work at adobe, I'm just excited that we are putting effort into linux finally so I like to let people know
[06:49] <rww> dobeFEguy: I think Tm_T's saying that we only consider peoples' behavior in #ubuntu when removing them, not their employer ;)
[06:50] <Tm_T> that ^
[06:50] <Tm_T> anyway, there's nothing we can do until we have enough details, as rww stated (:
[06:51] <dobeFEguy> oh, I'm just saying that I think there are definitely people you don't want to drive away, especially when they were banned for no good reason, and both for the same thing, just seeing a pattern thats all and I was concerned
[06:52] <dobeFEguy> when you have the support of certain companies it is good for all
[06:52] <Tm_T> dobeFEguy: we don't know yet if they were banned for no good reason, or banned at all (:
[06:52] <dobeFEguy> noisewaterphd
[06:52] <Tm_T> ah, him
[06:52] <dobeFEguy> thats the guy I asked to help me tonight and he said he was still banned
[06:53] <dobeFEguy> i suppose we could communicate via other routes, but I'd like the thoughts of everyone here through the process
[06:54] <Tm_T> dobeFEguy: what really needs to happen is, if I recall correctly the situation with him, is that he comes here and discuss the situation with us
[06:55] <dobeFEguy> ok well i dont really know what to do
[06:55] <dobeFEguy> can you tell him that
[06:55] <Tm_T> unfortunately there's not much you can do (:
[06:55] <Tm_T> dobeFEguy: been told
[06:57] <rww> dobeFEguy: For what it's worth, the original discussion that got him forwarded here was between him and another non-operator, in which he insisted something rather obviously incorrect. There was no "moderator" involved in the discussion, so it's not a matter of "not liking being corrected".
[06:58] <Tm_T> dobeFEguy: I undestand if some people find our channel moderation a bit harsh at times, especially for bystanders who don't have all the details
[06:58] <rww> or, in other words, the person he was disagreeing with and the op that actioned him are different people.
[06:59] <dobeFEguy> i dont get it
[06:59] <dobeFEguy> they got banned for debating?
[06:59] <Tm_T> no
[06:59] <rww> No, they got banned for giving incorrect support in a support channel.
[07:00] <Tm_T> well, and continuing non-support debate in a support channel after being asked to discuss it elsewhere, I believe
[07:00] <dobeFEguy> that doesnt sound right, these guys I'm talking about are pretty brilliant, sounds like miscommunication to me
[07:01] <dobeFEguy> hes not answering me
[07:01] <dobeFEguy> If i can get him, who should I urge him to talk to?
[07:01] <Tm_T> to join this channel
[07:01] <Tm_T> so the discussion is publicly logged and be judged by others (:
[07:03] <dobeFEguy> ok thanks, maybe ill be back I guess
[07:04] <Tm_T> dobeFEguy: I also would like to notify that when we will be discussing with him about this, we will not allow bystanders to be in this channel
[07:04] <Tm_T> !logs
[07:04] <Tm_T> dobeFEguy: ^
[07:05] <dobeFEguy> sorry, Ill go
[07:05] <Tm_T> dobeFEguy: if you have further questions about our policies, feel free to PM me or ask in this channel (:
[07:05] <Tm_T> bah
[07:17] <noisewaterphd> somebody wants to talk to me?
[07:18] <Tm_T> hi, depending on what you are looking for
[07:19] <noisewaterphd> I was asked for some help, a person I guess we both know said you wanted to talk to me
[07:19] <Tm_T> may I ask where you were asked for help?
[07:20] <noisewaterphd> aim
[07:20] <Tm_T> ok, was just wondering
[07:20] <noisewaterphd> he wanted me to join him on irc, I made an attempt but I am banned
[07:21] <noisewaterphd> I assume that is what this is all about
[07:21] <Tm_T> well, I doubt you did an attempt to join #ubuntu
[07:21] <noisewaterphd> i did
[07:21] <noisewaterphd> it dumped me here and told me i was still banned
[07:21] <Tm_T> when did you try join the channel?
[07:22] <noisewaterphd> not sure, maybe 30mins ago
[07:22] <Tm_T> ah, I see now, my bad
[07:24] <Tm_T> as you did try join #ubuntu, are you interested on trying to discuss the matter why you are directed to here?
[07:25] <noisewaterphd> sure thing
[07:25] <Tm_T> do you remember what it was about?
[07:26] <noisewaterphd> not exactly, I believe I was arguing about ssh with someone, and then hastily banned in my opinion
[07:28] <noisewaterphd> yep
[07:28] <noisewaterphd> i was arguing that ssh is a valid encryption mechanism for vpn
[07:29] <Tm_T> noisewaterphd: if I recall things correctly, and if I can gather enough from logs, that was one part of the discussion yes (:
[07:29] <jussi> Tm_T: and his crazy backwards smileys...
[07:29] <noisewaterphd> I was then provided a link as proof that i was wrong, however the link provided specifically listed ssh as a valid encryption mechanism for vpn
[07:29] <noisewaterphd> then i was banned with no notice
[07:30] <Tm_T> noisewaterphd: one moment
[07:30] <noisewaterphd> ya, i was just browsing the log as well
[07:30] <noisewaterphd> but again, i was not trying to attack the guy in anyway, but I can see how he could feel that way
[07:31] <jussi> noisewaterphd: I havent seen the log, but I'd say #ubuntu isnt really the place for arguing whats right and wrong, its a support channel. If you have a problem with what an op says, its best to join here and talk about it, get it cleared up and then go and support again in #ubuntu.
[07:31] <jussi> noisewaterphd: #ubuntu is too busy as it is.
[07:31] <Tm_T> what jussi says (:
[07:32] <noisewaterphd> my intention was not to cause a problem
[07:32] <Tm_T> if that doesn't happen voluntarily, sometimes banforward is used, like in this case
[07:32] <Tm_T> it might be a bit harsh, I admit that
[07:32] <jussi> I think thats probably the reason for the banforward to here, so ... yeah what Tm_T said :)
[07:33] <jussi> noisewaterphd: so do you think you could keep strictly to support in #ubuntu, and problems to PM/here?
[07:33] <noisewaterphd> I never had a problem in several years
[07:34] <noisewaterphd> and in the case where i was banned, I was really just trying to help
[07:34] <noisewaterphd> i think i just inadvertantly came off as combative
[07:34] <jussi> noisewaterphd: yeah, I hear you, just a matter of trying to keep things sane in there, its crazy enough as it is
[07:35] <noisewaterphd> so to directly answer your question: yes
[07:36] <jussi> noisewaterphd: no probs, Tm_T will get the ban removed for you then :)
[07:36] <jussi> thanks for understanding
[07:36] <noisewaterphd> np, thanks guys
[07:37] <Tm_T> noisewaterphd: ban is removed, you're free to join the support channel. Feel free to join this channel on any issue. (:
[07:37] <noisewaterphd> if there is anything else I'll lurk for a moment, otherwise have a good night gentlemen
[07:37] <noisewaterphd> thanks Tm_T
[07:38] <Tm_T> no need to lurk, you're free to part
[07:38] <noisewaterphd> of course now the guy asking me to come here is nowhere to be found :)
[07:38] <noisewaterphd> goodnight guys
[12:58] <bazhang> its not a pinguy question :(
[16:33] <Dawid> #Ubuntu.pl
[16:33] <Dawid> #ubuntu.pl
[16:36] <Myrtti> Dawid: trying to access #ubuntu?
[16:46] <Dawid> #Chat-World
[16:48] <h00k> Dawid: What is your goal?
[16:48] <Pici> *!~dawid@*cdma.centertel.pl$#ubuntu-ops in #ubuntu
[16:49] <h00k> I saw that, yeah.
[16:49] <Dawid> #soulseek polska
[16:50] <ikonia> Dawid: do you speak English ?
[16:51] <Dawid> Icon-NoT. I know how Polish, and now with gogol korzytam interpreter
[17:27] <IdleOne> why not forward them to -pl instead of here
[17:28] <rww> because they're banned for cussing out users in #ubuntu, not for trying to access #ubuntu-pl
[17:42] <Pici> h00k: What was in that video?
[17:42] <h00k> Pici: It was Rebecca Black's new video :|
[17:43] <Pici> oh
[17:43] <Pici> I'm not clicking it.
[17:43] <h00k> Don't :(
[17:43] <Pici> I haven't seen or heard her other one...
[17:43] <h00k> ...
[17:43] <h00k> how?
[17:43] <h00k> You have skillz.
[17:43] <h00k> I applaud you.
[17:43] <Pici> I willfully avoided it.
[17:43] <h00k> although, I think it's an experience everyone should have once.
[17:44] <Pici> I've seen many other horrible internet things, I think I've had enough.
[18:01] <jussi> I saw about 10 seconds... was enough for me
[18:30] <popey> lightweights
[18:30] <popey> real men watch revbecca black all the way through
[18:30] <popey> then nyan cat
[18:30] <popey> GRRRR!
[18:30] <jpds> popey: s/black/brooke/
[18:30] <Pici> Then Tunak Tunak Tun?
[18:30] <popey> *shudder*
[18:32] <h00k> I forgot about that song.
[18:32] <h00k> Tunak Tunak Tun
[18:32] <h00k> DA DA DA!
[18:32] <knome> rebecca black? who is that altogether??
[18:41] <Jordan_U> Grr, autobleh failed me again.
[18:42] <oCean> my +q did not work?
[18:44] <Pici> oCean: you can't +q people who have a +e.
[18:44] <Pici> Which webchat people get.
[18:45] <oCean> oh right, I forgot
[18:45] <oCean> again :(
[18:45] <Pici> I wonder if that fellow connected using irc.ubuntu.com and thinks that #ubuntu is where they should be.
[18:45]  * h00k takes notes
[18:46] <Jordan_U> Pici: To get close to the same effect with webchat users does it make sense to ban then (without removing them)?
[18:46] <Jordan_U> s/then/them/
[18:46] <Pici> Jordan_U: no, the +e affects +b as well.
[18:46] <Jordan_U> :(
[18:47] <Pici> The bot takes care of it if you just kick.
[18:47] <oCean> a kick is sufficient to remove the exempt
[18:47] <Jordan_U> In that situation it would have been really nice to be able to quiet then talk in PM though :(
[18:47] <oCean> yes, that's what I intended
[18:48] <Pici> Well, they can still join #ubuntu with the current system, but the bots wont went an excempt for them.
[18:49] <Pici> Maybe I should just re-explain how webchat users are treated.. would that be helpful?
[18:49] <knome> wikipage?
[18:49] <Pici> There is one somewhere.
[18:49] <knome> link that to a factoid, THAT would be helpful :)
[18:50] <Pici> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Floodbots#Ban_Evasion_using_Webchat
[18:50] <Jordan_U> I understand it, I just find it unfortunate.
[18:51] <h00k> I should revisit these floodbots wikis
[18:52] <h00k> just to remember
[18:52] <Pici> I added it to the topic in -ops-monitor
[18:53] <h00k> bah.
[18:53] <h00k> wrong channel. I'm going to take a break for a while.
[19:43] <Dawid> #ubuntu.pl
[19:45] <h00k> @login
[19:45] <h00k> @btlogin
[19:46] <Corey> #ubuntu.pl is invite only.  #ubuntu-pl is likely where you want to go.
[19:48] <Dawid> Cześć
[19:49] <oCean> Dawid: do you understand that you have been forwarded here for your bahaviour in #ubuntu?
[19:51] <oCean> Dawid: please respond
[19:52] <Dawid> Ocean- No
[19:53] <oCean> Dawid: your bahaviour and language in #ubuntu are unacceptable
[19:53] <Dawid> oCean- Okay, sorry
[19:54] <oCean> Dawid: because of that you are banned from that channel, do you understand?
[19:55] <Dawid> oCean- I understand
[19:55] <oCean> Dawid: the channel is English only. So you cannot start speaking in Polish.
[19:56] <oCean> !guidelines
[19:56] <oCean> Dawid: please read those carefully ^
[19:56] <Dawid> oCean- And you know any Polish, but not # ubuntu.pl
[19:56] <oCean> Dawid: the channel is #ubuntu-pl
[19:57] <oCean> not .pl
[19:57] <Pici> oCean: it forwards to #ubuntu-pl
[19:57] <oCean> Pici: oh, Corey pointed out it's invite only
[19:58] <Dawid> oCean- OK, but something else, because there are not people to be nice. If bad writing, I apologize, but kozytam with google translator.
[19:58] <Corey> There may be a forward on that, I didn't check. :-)
[19:59] <oCean> Dawid: ok, I understand. But you really have to try not to get upset.
[19:59] <Dawid> oCean- I did not want to offend anyone
[20:00] <oCean> Dawid: but you did, obviously.
[20:00] <oCean> I don't have to repeat those words, right?
[20:01] <Dawid> oCean- And you know some Polish IRC is just not what podawałeś before?
[20:01] <oCean> sorry? Can you rephrase that?
[20:02] <Dawid> oCean- Do you know any Polish IRC, but not this, then what You gave
[20:02] <oCean> oh, sorry - no I don't know any other polish channel.
[20:03] <oCean> #ubuntu-pl cannot help you?
[20:03] <Dawid> oCena- On that channel is not too interesting: /
[20:04] <oCean> Ok, sorry, but I cannot help you with that.
[20:05] <Dawid> oCean- It's a shame something can look for in google
[20:06] <oCean> So, if you think you can control yourself and like to use the #ubuntu channel again, I really need you to read those guidelines
[20:06] <oCean> !guidelines
[20:07] <Dawid> I do not understand too much
[20:08] <oCean> Ok, the English might be difficult to grasp. What you do have to understand that we need you to respect the others in the channel
[20:08] <oCean> And that, when others point out some of the rules of the channel. you listen to them
[20:09] <Dawid> No longer can I behave normally, ie not to experience, etc.
[20:09] <oCean> Sorry, but I don't fully understand your last sentence
[20:10] <Dawid> I will not live and no one will be controlled
[20:10] <oCean> You don't want to follow the guidelines?
[20:11] <oCean> You don't want people to tell you how to behave?
[20:12] <Dawid> I'll have to behave well, apparently badly translated google
[20:12] <oCean> :)
[20:12] <oCean> ah ok, then. I understood that as "I don't want to be controlled"
[20:12] <Dawid> And you're the administrator here?
[20:13] <oCean> Operator, yes
[20:13] <oCean> I can remove your ban, so you can enter the #ubuntu channel again
[20:13] <Dawid> That I'm sorry for everything
[20:14] <Dawid> All right. thank you
[20:14] <oCean> that's a good start :)
[20:14] <oCean> But please remember that, when you get banned again, a second ban is much harder to get removed
[20:15] <oCean> Dawid: can you please try to join #ubuntu channel?
[20:15] <Dawid> Well, I remember. I'm new here, I have some Linux 2-3 days
[20:16] <oCean> Sure, we all started once...
[20:16] <Dawid> I can join the ubuntu channel?
[20:17] <oCean> please try
[20:17] <Dawid> And how do I get there?
[20:17] <oCean> type
[20:17] <oCean> /join #ubunt
[20:17] <oCean> err
[20:17] <oCean> /join #ubuntu
[20:18] <oCean> Dawid: it seems you joined!
[20:18] <Dawid> Well, I went. Once again thanks for everything and sorry
[20:18] <oCean> Sure, glad we worked it out.
[20:19] <oCean> Dawid: if there is nothing more we can do for you, can you leave this channel?
[20:19] <Dawid> And as I always turn on the IRC this channel I turn on ubuntu, how can I set myself to my two should join?
[20:20] <Dawid> Well, no problem. See you
[20:22] <Myrtti> smallfoot-
[20:24] <h00k> where?
[20:24] <Myrtti> #ubuntu
[20:24] <h00k> there.
[20:24] <h00k> I believe I still had a ban
[20:25] <oCean> yes, BT 37145
[20:26] <h00k> So, that'd be ban evading, yes?
[20:26] <oCean> exactly
[20:27] <h00k> taken care of.
[20:27] <h00k> Oh, I had one in #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:29] <h00k> Myrtti: good eye, thank you