[00:38] which calendar? [00:40] Caribou [00:41] ah, right, suck, saw that tweet from rick_h_ :/ [00:44] Yeah, it's sorted now. :) [11:44] good morning [11:45] morning [11:48] morning morning [11:49] morning morning morning [11:49] another hot ass day, and this time, I don't get to work in the AC'd office. The chiller system that cools 5 buildings on campus broke yesterday. The undergrad library has been closed from 6pm last night and won't open until 10am saturday. [11:51] ouch [11:52] greg-g: time to work from a local 7-11. Slurpees and frige units for all! [11:53] woot [11:53] I could really go for a Slurpee right about now [11:53] greg-g: any thoughts/experience on roof rail vs trailer hitch for bike carrier? [11:54] rick_h_: HIGHLY recommend not using the roof rack [11:54] unless your car has one built-in [11:54] I do have a roof rack already [11:54] just would be adding the rail systems to the rack for the bikes [11:54] Do you have a trailer hitch already? [11:54] the sled or whatever you want to call it [11:54] yea, have a hitch as well [11:55] Go with the hitch, for one reason and one reason only: [11:55] I like the idea of the roof sleds, but I already have a top cargo box, so can't use both [11:55] "I wonder if I can clear that..." is generally a recpie for disaster. [11:55] but like the idea of trailer + bikes up top [11:55] lol, good point, hadn't thought of that one [11:58] rick_h_: I liked the roof idea at first but after crashing my bike into a parking ramp structure I decided I didn't like it anymore [11:58] rick_h_: since my receiver is a 1 1/4" and I have a 2" bike carrier, the added length of the converter makes it so I can open up the back hatch without moving the bike carrier [11:59] you can get bike hitches that also let you have a trailer [12:01] any idea how the spare-tire-mount works? (i.e. "great" or "horrible", no smartass comments about the physics of it :-p ) [12:01] greg-g: ok cool, thanks. I just needed to be talked out of the roof and I think that seems to be the general idea [12:01] greg-g: just don't like the ones with 1 1/4 hitch? [12:01] rick_h_: my parents gave me their old one which was a 2" [12:01] ah, ok [12:02] Wolfger: what spare tire mount? [12:02] so, no, would probably have rather had compatible one, but, this is a nice side-effect of the converter [12:02] http://decafbad.net/2011/07/21/official-business/ [12:02] the bike, car, trailer? [12:02] http://www.google.com/products/catalog?client=gmail&rls=gm&q=jeep+bike+rack+spare+tire&safe=active&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=18414148731131870363&sa=X&ei=TxUoToOILdCPsAL06aE7&ved=0CH4Q8wIwAQ [12:02] Wolfger: I've seen them used a lot, so I would imagine for 1-2 bikes they'd be fine [12:02] greg-g: yea, I had seen one that had a pivot pin I was going to hceck out [12:02] yeah, those are nice [12:03] Wolfger: ah, I get nervous with those things [12:03] I guess they work, but I like things that bolt vs strap [12:03] they're are straps that you tie it down with, no? [12:03] right [12:03] metal ftw [12:05] Oh, sweet. More expensive, but promising: http://www.quadratec.com/products/92034_20_07.htm?sgsc=QSHOPGBASE&utm_medium=compshop&utm_source=googlemerchant [12:05] bolted spare tire mount [12:05] I have a strappy tire rack that's still in the box [12:06] er, bike rack, rather [12:09] btw, re the Aaron Swartz/JSTOR/DOJ story: http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6554331 [12:10] Nice [12:10] I had fun yesterday explaining this story to my dad [12:10] He was under the impression that Aaron was going to sell the data [12:10] oh I bet [12:10] btw: that torrent is not aaron's doing [12:11] just for the record [12:11] Had a great discussion about intellectual property afterwards [12:11] awesome [12:12] What's interesting is how many people don't understand the journaled paper system and why it's a racket [12:12] freely delivered papers get locked up in paywalls [12:12] Makes no damn sense. [12:13] yeah, the whole fact that universities pay twice, sometimes thrice, for the same article because of a middle-man [12:13] "The universe is full of middlemen, and they don't take kindly to being cut out." [12:13] Just another way that education gets abused. [12:14] Wolfger: ++ [12:14] JoDee and I have this idea kicking around about doing a documentary on the abuses in the education system [12:14] Leave it to Firefly to give me an obscure quote for just about any occasion. :-) [12:14] mostly from an adjunct faculty perspective, but could include things like bookstores, papers, etc. [12:15] Wolfger: Funny thing is I read that as "University" [12:15] oh god.... book stores are the worst [12:15] Wolfger: Oh yeah [12:15] Saw one charging full price for Redhat 7.3 Unleashed at a time when Microcenter couldn't give them away. [12:18] My favorite trick at OU is that you have to have your schedule when purchasing books, and you can't browse the books. Someone brings them to you. [12:18] because those little ISBN numbers could mean the difference between them making a sale or not. [12:23] snap-l: welcome back to the days of closed library stacks [12:31] This seems like greg-g's wet dream http://www.mlive.com/business/west-michigan/index.ssf/2011/07/doorganics_produce_service_bri.html [13:02] brousch: looks ok. basically a CSA with delivery, right? [13:04] what's a CSA? [13:04] greg-g: Yeah, I know. We can't be trusted to find books without getting our grubby hands all over everything [13:08] brousch: Community Supported Ag: aka, a farm that has members and gives it's produce out every week to those members. The members pay a fee each year [13:09] I think this is just an organic farm, and delivery is by a startup company [13:09] pay by the week [13:10] * greg-g nods [13:13] i signed up [13:14] hopefully the ants won't eat my veg before i get home [13:35] >_> [13:39] QOTD: https://twitter.com/#!/sdw/status/93779323475066880 [13:40] rick_h_: JoDee saw a job yesterday that was looking for rock stars [13:40] hey, my son and i were flying around the house just last night [13:40] some clerical job or something. [13:42] brousch: nothing wrong with flying around like air planes [13:42] especially if nerf guns are involved in the dog fights [13:42] usually foam swords [13:42] but yea, the ninja/rock star "I'm a geek behind a desk and thus need a cool remake" has gone far enough [13:43] ooh, up close and personal, looking into the eyes of your enemy, I like it! [13:46] I don't know about you, but some days I feel like I've been ambushed by several men in a dark alley. [13:46] happy birthday to me. [13:46] and it's too darn hot [13:46] Were it not for my debugging shuriken, I'd never have survived. [13:46] Happy birthday! \o/ [13:46] :) [13:46] thank you. [13:46] gamerchick02: I got you some heat for your birthday. [13:46] LOL [13:46] our AC isn't working right. :( [13:47] gee thanks, snap-l [13:47] :-P [13:47] since you said you wanted some in winter [13:47] <- Thoughtful [13:47] i did? [13:47] Yep [13:48] <_stink_> snap-l: i could get on board with that (the documentary idea) [13:48] heya gamerchick02 ! have you had a chance to go through the email list archive and look for announcements of events and add them to the Team Reports (or at least a list)? [13:49] I think just about anyone that has done adjunt teaching could. ;) [13:49] oh hey, happy birthday, gamerchick02 ! :) [13:49] _stink_: ^ [13:49] i've had a chance to look through. i've been dealing with a bunch of stuff for Nile. [13:49] thanks for checking up on my greg-g [13:49] <_stink_> snap-l: yeah, said interest could have been assumed. :) [13:49] gamerchick02: :) no worries, let me know if you need help or want to pass it off [13:49] i'll get a list together today or tomorrow. is that ok? [13:50] and thanks for the b-day wishes [13:51] yeah, today/tomorrow is totally good [13:51] http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-michigan/1090/detail/ [13:51] We decided on 12-5p didn't we? [13:52] snap-l: I think so, sure [13:53] the week before OLF [13:54] sounds good [13:54] anybody doing OLF this year? [13:54] Yep [13:55] Event contact: Craig Maloney (not greg-g) :'( [13:56] Yeah, not sure who to put there. :( [13:56] you're good, just no greg is sad [13:59] that's my wedding anniversary weekend, so i cannot commit at this time [14:00] http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-michigan/80/detail/ [14:00] Anything else we need to cover? [14:04] departure of jcastro? [14:06] the meeting is monday aug 8th? [14:06] i can do that. [14:07] that's the monthly meeting [14:08] where we sit in irc and talk about stuff [14:11] that's actually on Sunday [14:11] because it's UTC, it shows up as Monday. [14:12] jcastro's departure is only for a year [14:12] also bringing up greg-g's departure because it affects the loco [14:14] Also, just sent in a sponsorship request for UDS. Hoping I can make the cut and head down to help make 12.04 awesome. [14:15] nice [14:15] Man, it's over Halloween, though [14:15] i'm so lame i've dropped back to 10.04 on my laptop [14:16] <_stink_> heh, i have this machine on hardy, work machine and laptop on 10.04 [14:16] <_stink_> i don't even try anymore. [14:17] it's nice to have second monitor working again, and consistent movement of windows between them. i do miss a few shortcuts from unity though [14:18] good luck, snap-l. Where is UDS 12.04 being held? [14:18] Florida [14:19] which is part of the reason I'm hot on getting to this one. [14:19] ie: It's in the USA, and I can drive there [14:19] or take a train or ... [14:19] flight would probably be cheapest, really [14:20] Understood, but I'm not much of a fan of flying [14:20] * greg-g nods [14:20] fair [14:22] airtran flies direct from GRR to orlando [14:23] nice drive down 75 [14:27] Ugh. Massive fail. Microsoft Excel will open a .ods file, but all the formulas are gone, replaced by the values they derived. [14:28] anybody know a way around that? (other than "install Libre Office on your work laptop") [14:28] so, open it in libreoffice, save as xls, open it in excel :P [14:28] doh [14:28] google docs maybe? [14:29] blocked by work firewall for some indecipherable reason [14:29] oh well. nothing critical. I can convert it to .xls when I get home... or just work on it in Libre Office at home. [14:30] Wolfger: send it to me and I'll send you back an .xls [14:30] email it to someone to convert? [14:30] i am just a few seconds too slow today [14:30] :) [14:35] * greg-g grumbles about last minute event cancelations when I make an effort to get there in 90 degree heat when my office is closed because the AC is broken and I even confirmed that we were still on for today yesterday at 3pm [14:36] <_stink_> just a grumble? [14:36] <_stink_> i would be muttering [14:37] Loudly [14:37] sorry to hear about that greg-g [14:37] Go the bedroom AC unit running with the door open in the hopes that it can keep the house cooled. [14:38] Already the fight is being lost, I can tell [14:38] <_stink_> :( [14:39] greg-g: https://twitter.com/#!/mpirnat/status/94053581828784128 [14:39] seems to be a theme [14:40] thanks, greg-g [14:41] http://paste.mitechie.com/show/pF73syU6qmmaKEkGZKZF/ *sigh* sums up my day so far [14:45] rick_h_: wtf? [14:48] snap-l: we did that (the one window AC unit in the bedroom working really hard to cool the rest of the place) and yeah, didn't work :) [14:49] our house is quad level, with each level being about 440sqft. a window AC worked to cool the upstairs level [14:49] we hung a heavy curtain in front of the stairs to help keep the cool up there [14:52] yeah, we were thinking of doing that to separate the kitchen from the rest, too keep the heat in the kitchen [15:00] rick_h_: Niiice. [15:08] "How critizism can help us all" [15:10] last night i discovered that i can watch streaming netflix on my nook color [15:11] best tablet evar [15:11] Anyone want a kobo, cheep? [15:12] $5 [15:36] kobo? [15:36] ebook thingY/ [15:41] is that the Border's ebook? [15:49] Yeah, that's the Borders eBook reader partner [15:50] yeah, thanks, I'll pass. :-) [15:50] It's still supported. [16:39] hah, love this: [16:39] access_log = sa.Table("access_log", meta.metadata, [16:39] oops [16:39] and live within the unfortunate 16 terabyte volume limitation of ext4 [16:39] sorry, just getting around to reading about the updated storage pods http://blog.backblaze.com/2011/07/20/petabytes-on-a-budget-v2-0revealing-more-secrets/ [16:41] wow, detroit in the tech news: http://techcrunch.com/2011/07/21/earvin-magic-johnson-joins-detroit-vc-firm-to-invest-in-tech-startups/ [16:41] <_stink_> dang [16:46] those backblaze storage pods are cool, but my understanding is that the scalable informatics products are priced similar and far far faster. [16:49] just seeing them with 72TB in a 4U [16:49] 5U goes up to 144TB on their site [16:49] hah, i like how it takes a sports star to get something that in the news [16:50] Yeah [16:51] like I was saying a day or two ago... Michael Vick might be the best thing that ever happened to pit bulls in America [16:51] because now anti-animal-fighting legislation is getting national headlines on a fairly regular basis [16:52] And every one of those headlines has "Vick" as either the first or second word [16:54] Too bad he's pairing up with a bag of assholes [16:54] (Magic Johnson) [16:57] I feel so bad [16:57] I can't help but read these things http://blog.launchpad.net/bug-tracking/automatic-confirmation [16:57] as "we've finally gotten around to trying to un-f@#$#@ launchpad after these years" [16:58] Yeah, I never understood why confirmation was a separate event [16:58] Since confirmation is like a milestone event [17:01] bag of assholes? [17:01] they're coming in bags now, got too bruised when shipped in boxes [17:05] sounds like a good name for a band [17:05] bag of assholes? [17:08] I'm flattered that I'm the person to bring the colorful language to IRC. [17:08] HEY THIS IS BAG OF ASSHOLES FROM DETROIT, MICHIGAN, AND WE'RE GONNA ROCK YOU 'TIL YOUR SPHINCTER BLEEDS! [17:08] LOL, brousch [17:12] 13:03 <@Steempy> Q. How did the hipster burn his mouth? [17:12] 13:03 <@Steempy> A. He ate the pizza before it was cool. [17:12] my dentist just told me I burned my mouth from pizza the other day [17:12] I must be hipster! [17:12] rick_h_: hipster [17:13] absolutely [17:13] so if I'm hipster, does that put me in with greg-g? [17:13] No, greg-g is a hippie [17:13] It means you need to trade that Thinkpad in for a Mac. [17:13] oooh, hippie, my mistake. Crap [17:13] * rick_h_ pats his thinkpad protectively [17:13] * rick_h_ murmurs "they won't hurt you baby, they can never split us apart" [17:14] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oRI1-PznQw [17:14] rick_h_: ^^ [17:15] lol [17:15] It's the branding. built like a tank. [17:17] I spilled earl grey with honey on her and she's still cranking for me [17:17] <3 [17:17] <_stink_> probably drank it up with an air of sophistication. [17:18] bah, 45min until town hall meeting, lost all motivation [17:18] town hall meeting? [17:19] yea, we have quarterly "get everyone in a big room and talk about how much $$ we are/aren't making" [17:19] http://askmurdoch.co.uk/ [17:20] ah, we call that our quarterly meeting [17:20] Yeah, we're going to have one of those soon [17:20] right, but you're supposed to ask good questions of the big boss figureheads and all that. So they go "town hall" with it [17:21] rick_h_: So you get one emplyee with brass ones asking tough questions, and all of the leaders saying "let me get back to you on that" [17:21] i see. ours is basically a one way flow of info [17:21] brousch: The outhouse if information? [17:21] <_stink_> brass ones or ambitions of middle management. [17:22] yes, they dump it on us [17:22] Suddenly the skies grow dark. The people gather in amazement. "What could it be?" they clamour. [17:23] A groan... a sigh... [17:23] PLOOP [17:25] transformers 3? [17:33] heh [18:24] ugh, heat headache [18:25] <_stink_> hope it's not worse than that [18:25] I'm a wuss this year. I'm usually not debilitated by heat like this. Yeah, I sweat and such but it doesn't normally give me headaches [18:26] it is mother nature warning you about the global warming [18:26] she knows you care [18:27] <_stink_> i think that warning the guy who is part of a co-op farm is a waste of her effort [18:29] brousch: you're probably right :) [18:29] i think greg-g is one of the Planeteers [18:30] we *were* just talking about the planeteers yesterday at work :) [18:30] <_stink_> Wind! Fire! Headache! [18:30] lol [18:32] greg-g is earth. his headache means an earthquake is imminent [18:32] <_stink_> hah [18:37] Temperature: 99.0 F (37.2 C) [18:37] ugh [18:38] There was one in alaska at 2:01 our time. when did the headache start? [19:28] brousch: you know, around then, actually :) [19:29] greg-g maybe hanging out w/ this guy:http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_looym0Ny7l1qck4tco1_500.jpg can help you with your heat headache [19:31] jjesse: oh, my, lord. That guy looks so freaking happy. I do want to join him! [19:31] simple joys in life [19:37] just got asked to look at a pthon app... its using springpython. w.t.f. [19:38] i thought greg-g was the heart planeteer of #ubuntu-us-mi [19:44] i've heard of springpython, but didn't know anyone actually used it [20:01] Proof that just because you can doesn't mean you should (mix Spring and Python) [20:05] new phone activated. [20:06] eff yeah technology [20:11] gamerchick02: cool, what phone? [20:11] LG Optimus V [20:11] on Virgin Mobile [20:11] i'm going from a flip LG to an android [20:12] my wfie made the same jump [20:13] it's crazy [20:14] i just connected my gmail account but now i'm trying to delete all the people i don't, uhm, have numbers for. [20:26] why? [20:26] you gmail contacts and android contacts are intertwined [20:26] just leave them [20:30] ok, seeing how the optimus v can't tether, how can I make sure that the phone I get does (whether or not my service provider likes it) [20:30] gamerchick02: I'm looking for a new phone, my first smart phone, right now as well, so I'm going crazy with all the research [20:31] I think I want tethering given I'll be driving out west for a few weeks when I also need to do work, and when I get to SF I'll be commuting for a bit on a train [20:31] yeah [20:31] i did that too [20:33] i'm not sure if the LG from virgin mobile will allow tethering [20:34] greg-g: You might just want to get a separate MyFi [20:34] snap-l ++ [20:34] providers are cracking down on "illegal" tethering [20:34] Or MiFi [20:34] mifi [20:34] unauthorized is a better word [20:35] brousch: Better word would be "service degrading without proper renumeration" [20:36] just set up mustard [20:37] whoot! [20:37] twitdroyd no way. [20:38] :) [20:39] hootsuite ftw [20:40] mustard ftw. works with my status.net account [20:47] with whowhat? [20:47] your friendster account? [20:52] blog announcement that I'm moving: http://blog.grossmeier.net/2011/07/21/moving-to-sf-working-with-cc/ [20:56] friendster? [20:56] no. [20:56] status.net. like identica [21:02] sorry, i get my dead social sites mixed up sometimes [21:02] muahahahahahah [21:03] what? [21:03] identica isn't dead. i'd say it's quite alive [21:03] i get far less spam there than i do on twitter [21:08] springpython looks interesting. [21:09] it will inject instances of objects that are deserialized. makes it very nice for configing default states of types [21:42] greg-g: you're also part of the Americas Membership Board? [21:42] Sheesh [21:42] What aren't you doing now? [23:04] snap-l: well, I guess I'll be no longer the de-facto leader of -us-mi :) [23:08] i nominate snap-l as your successor [23:21] <_stink_> quick, elect him while he's not around [23:28] Sheesh [23:28] ;) [23:30] hey, congrats snap-l! :p [23:33] thanks? :) [23:43] where's the crown? [23:54] brousch: did you not get the memo? we're showing up at snap-l's house with the crown at 8pm. [23:57] crap, webcast it for me