[00:00] <erikdecker> its gnome btw
[00:00] <erikdecker> for ubuntu that is
[00:00] <erikdecker> :)
[00:00] <Unit193> Guest28958: Gnome with Unity shell
[00:00] <Guest28958> Ok thanks.
[00:00] <lcb> Guest28958: it depends the flavor. Ubuntu Desktop uses Unity, Kubuntu KDE
[00:01] <Guest28958> So why do you guys use Kubuntu , ive never really looked into it.
[00:01] <Guest28958> ?
[00:01] <lcb> !info hold
[00:01] <erikdecker> what should i use instead
[00:01] <erikdecker> i got rid of it and that didnt work
[00:01] <lcb> oops, apt-get hold
[00:01] <erikdecker> ?
[00:01] <Snooffy> Guest28958: I'm using it as KDE is for me more user friendly and much nicer imho
[00:02] <Guest28958> Ah
[00:02] <Guest28958> Ill have a look
[00:02] <erikdecker> its true KDE works beautifully
[00:02] <Unit193> erikdecker: I don't see that option in the man page
[00:02] <erikdecker> ok just wondering
[00:02] <Guest28958> The problem i often have with Ubuntu is, you spend hours trying to figure out a lot of things like installing packages from zips, using the terminal all the time ect...
[00:03] <Guest28958> i can get my head round it eventually, its just time consuming though
[00:03] <Guest28958> meh
[00:03] <erikdecker> im trying to enable ipod syncing and thats part of it...
[00:03] <erikdecker> thats what it said on the help page
[00:03] <Guest28958> does gtkpod not do the job ?
[00:03] <lcb> insteresting that option 'hold'. never used it
[00:04] <erikdecker> i dont even know the point
[00:04] <erikdecker> haha
[00:04] <lcb> from the 'man': --ignore-hold
[00:04] <lcb> Ignore package Holds; This causes apt-get to ignore a hold placed on a package. This may be useful in conjunction with dist-upgrade to override a large number of undesired holds. Configuration Item: APT::Ignore-Hold.
[00:05] <erikdecker> i should use that then?
[00:06] <Snooffy> guys, why when I have mount of my win partition (NTSF) in fstab it doesnt mount it after reboot, I cannot see it in the folder I'm mounting it to until I do sudo mount -a
[00:06] <lcb> erikdecker: check this -> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1697255.html
[00:07] <erikdecker> thats were i got the help from it doesnt work thought
[00:09] <lcb> erikdecker: http://goo.gl/5I6sJ
[00:09] <lcb> check the most up to date post
[00:10] <yofel> erikdecker: instead of apt-get hold I found this to work better http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-prevent-a-package-from-being-updated-in-ubuntu.html
[00:11] <lcb> Snooffy: following by the book?
[00:11] <erikdecker> YES!
[00:11] <erikdecker> thank you
[00:11] <lcb> Snooffy: good place. better understand from the source because it depends an each installation on how to configure it - > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab
[00:12] <lcb> erikdecker: see??? Mr and Ms Google are still the beast
[00:12] <lcb> i mean, best
[00:12] <erikdecker> well i never thought of that. i did try google.
[00:13] <Snooffy> lcb: thanks for a good tip... will need to read a bit :D
[00:13] <lcb> Snooffy: would be better. it's easy to understand from there
[00:15] <Snooffy> it is.. This is what i love on linux, the documentation is so complex, you can find your answers to almost any problem...
[00:17] <lcb> Snooffy: that one is basically what we all need to know for auto mounting
[00:18] <yofel> that page is at least easier to understand than the fstab manpage...
[00:18] <lcb> indeed
[00:19] <lcb> Snooffy: btw, don't play too much with GIRLS. that was only an aborted case scenario
[00:19] <lcb> :p
[00:24] <Snooffy> lcb: lol
[00:24] <lcb> :)
[00:26] <TimeLord_> can someone help me install java on kubuntu lol
[00:27] <lcb> TimeLord_: start by removing what you have and install the default jre
[00:28] <TimeLord_> whats the package names for defualt jre?
[00:28] <lcb> firefox and so on will tell you if you miss anything, in meantime
[00:28] <lcb> default-jre
[00:29] <TimeLord_> thanks
[00:29] <lcb> :)
[00:30] <lcb> most problems comes from over installing java runtimes
[00:32] <TimeLord_> yeah
[00:32] <TimeLord_> :P
[00:33] <lcb> TimeLord_: a tip: run Get and Remove Software and insert in the text box -> java
[00:39] <TimeLord_> thanks lcb
[00:39] <Guest61011> quick question, where do i extract icons in kde?
[00:39] <lcb> TimeLord_: welcome
[00:43] <lcb> Guest61011: /usr/share/icons but you could plave it anywhere
[00:43] <lcb> place it...
[02:15] <CLF1> I am having a problem configuring a usb hard drive for my network
[02:44] <default> k
[02:45] <Guest20826> can some dell me how to delete a directory in konsole. rmdir is not working n su.  the stupid command can't handle .hidden files.
[02:47] <valorie> you should use sudo
[02:48] <valorie> sudo rm -rf dir
[02:48] <valorie> but right-click > move to trash should work as well
[02:48] <valorie> unless you don't have the right permissions
[02:49] <valorie> is this in your ~ ?
[03:07] <Guest20826> thanks valorie.  the problem was teh rmdir not being sophisticated enough. rm worked.
[03:08] <valorie> cool
[03:20] <CLF1> I can't see the file sharing tab under sharing, anyone got the fix?
[05:14] <ubuntu____> hello guys
[05:14] <ubuntu____> testing out kubuntu
[06:40] <faLUCE>  hi. Is there an editor which allows to insert words only if the follow a user-defined grammar?
[06:57] <Kaleidoscope> Anyone here know anything about Computer clusters?
[07:17] <Borg^Queen> Hi people what's the best way to convert .sub to .srt using the command line?
[07:28] <bazhang> gnome-subtitles for ubuntu, perhaps fatrat-opensubtitles for kde4
[07:28] <bazhang> whoops
[07:45] <excognac> hi all
[07:47] <excognac> what is the easiest way to use multiply distros with the SAME home directory? the situation is i have kubuntu now but wanna have both ubuntu and fedore with gnome3 environment too
[07:48] <valorie> oh, friend of mine made a blog post about that
[07:48] <valorie> let me dig it up
[07:48] <excognac> thanks
[07:50] <valorie> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1430397 <--- this is good because it's a whole discussion
[07:50] <valorie> basically, you should shared DATA, not home dirs
[07:50] <valorie> share
[07:51] <valorie> each ~/home will have their own settings, etc., and then you symlink to photos, music, docs, etc.
[07:52] <excognac> ok, thats what i exactly want thanks a loot
[07:52] <excognac> *lot
[07:52] <excognac> so reinstall:)
[07:52] <valorie> have fun!
[07:53] <excognac> for a few hours I deinetely will
[07:54] <excognac> the whole issu is cos kubuntu can't reboot, dies too many times even the machine is goo
[07:54] <excognac> d
[07:54] <valorie> hmmm
[07:54] <valorie> I've had no problems
[07:54] <valorie> I've been running kubuntu for years
[07:56] <excognac> well, I used ubuntu before and on my old rusty laptop 9.10 is more stable then 11.04 kubi on this. Even I only can tur it off pressing the power button, otherwise dims and freezes
[07:57] <excognac> neverthless amarok and a few other features are dman good
[07:57] <excognac> *damned
[08:02] <excognac> so to keep kubuntu and the data, i will just need to move the docs, etc. to a separate data partition and then install all the other distros on new separate partitions and use the same wap for all?
[08:02] <excognac> *swap
[08:04] <valorie> that will work -- but you will want to put symlinks into each /home for /Documents, /Music, etc.
[08:04] <valorie> or whatever you want
[08:05] <excognac> ok, how do i do that?
[08:08] <valorie> !symlink
[08:08] <valorie> it's one of the two basic ways of making a link
[08:09] <excognac> yes...
[08:09] <excognac> sure, i use terminal
[08:10] <valorie> I don't know of a GUI way to make symlinks
[08:10] <HerrZinfarkt> is this a multi language support chat?
[08:10] <valorie> if there is one
[08:11] <excognac> francais, portugues, magyar here
[08:16] <valorie> !fr | excognac
[08:17] <excognac> no, it's not for me, I understand english i just offered help
[08:17] <valorie> oops, sorry
[08:18] <valorie> and he left
[08:18] <valorie> :(
[08:19] <excognac> so how do i use symlink to reach the data partition?
[08:22] <valorie> http://ss64.com/bash/symlink.html for some more information
[08:33] <excognac> aye, that helps I appreciate your efforts valorie, ty
[08:34] <valorie> I hope it works well for you
[08:35] <valorie> I'm happy with kubuntu; don't even have windows anymore
[08:35] <valorie> so no need for your solutions
[09:05] <chen> hi !
[09:55] <Guest92308> hello, quick question, where do i install icons in kde?
[11:06] <engrjc> hey
[11:07] <almigi> hello engrjc
[11:07] <engrjc> hi almigi
[11:13] <hazamonzo> Who can recommend the best FTP client for kubuntu? Save me installing a couple to test them out
[11:14] <szal> !best | hazamonzo
[11:15] <hazamonzo> szal: Sure. Im just looking for a recommendation :)
[11:16] <szal> hazamonzo: srsly, ask 3 users and you get 4 opinions ;)
[11:16] <szal> especially when it comes to FTP servers
[11:17] <almigi> what about kftp?
[11:18] <hazamonzo> szal: :)
[11:20] <James147> hazamonzo: why not just dolphin?
[11:20] <hazamonzo> James147: Good thinking. I use fish://
[11:20] <hazamonzo> Never thought about ftp:// :D
[11:20] <hazamonzo> James147: Good call. Cheers!
[11:22] <James147> hazamonzo: also, why not use sftp instead of fish (assuming your server supports sftp... which most do)
[11:23] <hazamonzo> James147: Most of the time for my servers i like to use scp
[11:31]  * szal used to use Krusader for FTP, but nowadays it's mostly FileZilla due to it being able to limit transfer bandwidth
[11:32] <hazamonzo> szal: filezilla! Thats the one i used to use for windows
[11:32] <hazamonzo> can i get it for kubuntu?
[11:32] <szal> sure, it's in the package sources
[11:33] <hazamonzo> szal: Didn't realise that. Cheers
[12:10] <grobda24> Hello. I'm new to Kubuntu. What are "activities" ?
[12:24] <James147> grobda24: activities are a way of grouping tasks togeather... they behave similarly to vitrual desktop except you can have different wallpapers/widgets on different activities  and you are able to start/stop activities (along with the programs running on them)
[12:42] <faLUCE> hi, do you know if is there a text editor in which I can insert words in real time through a script ?
[12:43] <James147> faLUCE: I think kate can ^^ if not it has plugin support so shouldnt be to hard to make it
[12:44] <James147> faLUCE: if all else fails you can use vim in its server/client model :D
[12:59] <faLUCE> James147: let's try but I would have preferred a simpler editor ;-)
[13:00] <James147> faLUCE: you want a simple editor to do a complicated function?... think that defeats the point of it being simple...
[13:03] <vikapi> how do i logout a user from kdm from the command line?my need is to have a cronjob which will logout a user from kdm..any hint on this?
[13:04] <OerHeks> vikapi,  pkill -KILL -u {username}     >> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-logout-user-howto/
[13:05] <James147> OerHeks: ^^ though that isnt graceful :)
[13:06] <vikapi> OerHeks: but tat logout a user from kde?
[13:06] <OerHeks> James147, what do you suggest ?
[13:06] <vikapi> James147: yes..but im ok with it..
[13:07] <mokush> unity-like dock for kde?
[13:07] <James147> OerHeks: dbus should beable to
[13:08] <vikapi> James147: dbus throws a prompt window in the GUI?
[13:13] <James147> vikapi: didnt for me :)
[13:29] <coder2> Hello. When I enable some applications to minimize to tray icon I cannot restore those application back. Window flashes and disapperars. Please help
[13:30] <coder2> Bright example is transmission UI
[13:35] <grobda24> James147, thanks ... so it's a little like a layer that I can put over the desktop that represents the task I'm doing at that time ?
[13:38] <grobda24> oh wait, it determines what apps are running ? Is there a documentation page for this ?
[13:49] <AlexZion> hi guys , I was looking a tork package on the repos , but I can't find it , it is normal or maybe I have some problem with the official repos !?!
[14:11] <Oxymoron> Hi, I wondering. How do I get HDMI output working. It seems like my TV get some kind of signal, but its just black on the screen.
[14:23] <grobda24> Wow, got this running really nice now. I was last in KDE pre 2003. Faster now I've turned off desktop effects, and looks better without them (because faster maybe?)
[14:24] <grobda24> Only prob I have now is that I added a CPU widget to the panel. It gave a message about being unable to set transparency. but now I can't remove it. There is just a blank space next to the clock that I can't get rid of.
[15:33] <AlexZion> hi guys I need an help to set up a proxy on my Kubuntu 11.04 , someone can help me !?!
[15:36] <James147> AlexZion: a proxy for what?
[15:37] <AlexZion> to be anonymous in certain situation....
[15:42] <ashwin> how can i install windows media Audio 8 plugin for amarok?
[15:43] <howlymowly> hi poeple..  my computer has been assigned a static ip form our network administrator, I am using kubuntu 11.04  is there a way to make it automatically use this ip and so I do not always have to klick on the connection after every reboot in knetworkmanager?
[15:43] <BajK> I hope 4.7 will be in backports ppa for natty by july 29 :D I want to have it when going to the release party :D
[15:48] <DarthFrog> howlymowly: Yes, there is.  You can set your static details in /etc/network/interfaces.
[15:48] <yofel> BajK: we'll see, final just got tagged so we'll get to work now. It'll be much less work than rc1 at least
[15:49] <DarthFrog> howlymowly: You can get the details of that file using "man interfaces".
[15:49] <howlymowly> DarthFrog: DarthFrog thx I'll look into that
[15:49] <howlymowly> DarthFrog: do I haveto remove the network manager then?
[15:49] <howlymowly> or somehow stop it?
[15:50] <DarthFrog> howlymowly: I shouldn't think so.
[16:00] <BajK> yofel: nice to hear since there have been no pre-final 4.7 releases for kubuntu :)
[16:10] <Ab3l> a question. how is it possible to install a new theme in kubuntu natty?
[16:11] <Ab3l> i'm quite new to kubuntu.
[16:12] <Ab3l> #j kubuntu-it
[16:47] <what_if> On reboot... Kubuntu / Xorg forgets my multiple monitor setup. How can I save my configuration over reboots?
[16:54] <BluesKaj> hiyas
[16:55] <jtheuer> what_if: for that reason I made xrandr scripts and assigend them to hotkeys. Good for laptops.
[17:02] <what_if> jtheuer: Will try generating an Xorg.conf and see if that works. :) Will try xrandr scripts if that does not work
[17:02] <what_if> jtheuer: thanks for the help :0
[17:02] <what_if> :)
[17:26] <CLF1> why is chmod applied after the samba config file is writen instead of applying the chmod within the samba config when the share is  identified
[17:32] <Ab3l_> is it possible to have the k-menu plasma bigger?
[17:32] <Ab3l_> how?
[17:34] <Peace-> Ab3l_: ?
[17:34] <Peace-> you mean on the destkop or in the panel ?
[17:35] <Ab3l_> Peace-: well, when you click on the K, a kickoff menu opens. I would like to have it higher, so that to list more items
[17:36] <Ab3l_> i know i can scroll down, but i would like to see more items without need to scroll
[17:36] <Peace-> i see
[17:37] <Peace-> i guess there is not a change to get it
[17:37] <Peace-> i guess
[17:37] <Peace-> anyway
[17:37] <Peace-> there is a classical menu...
[17:37] <Peace-> right click on the K menu switch to classicmenu
[17:38] <Ab3l_> no way. the new one is much beautiful and powerfull.
[17:38] <Peace-> i see... i guess you have to give up
[17:39] <Peace-> :) i have ever seen what you want on the menu
[17:47] <Robert200> Hi, I need help for kubuntu 11.04
[17:48] <Peace-> Robert200: what's your problem man ?
[17:49] <Robert200> movil broadband tab is unavilitated
[17:50] <Peace-> usb pcmica pci ?
[17:52] <Robert200> not sure about what tha means, but yeah its a usb modem huawey e160 picture: http://www.rfwel.com/images/modem_usb_huawei_e160.jpg
[17:56] <Robert200> its not a pcmica pci
[17:56] <Peace-> Robert200: reading
[17:56] <Peace-> Robert200: it's usb
[17:56] <Peace-> it should be from the picutre
[17:56] <Peace-> -.-
[17:56] <Peace-> picture
[17:56] <Peace-> so lsusb
[17:57] <Peace-> on konsole
[17:57] <FloodBotK1> Peace-: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:57] <Robert200> lsusb wont list usb devices
[17:57] <Peace-> i need to undestand which device you have
[17:58] <Peace-> so or lspci
[17:58] <Robert200> its there a way to do that while in windows_??
[17:58] <Peace-> Robert200: sorry but know in italy it's time to eat something
[17:58] <Peace-> bye
[17:59] <Robert200> bye
[18:02] <BarkingFish> Robert200: Maybe I can help. What problem are you having?
[18:02] <Robert200> thanks barkingfish
[18:04] <Robert200> well i recently installed kubuntu by wubi inside win7, 11.04 release, and it has the movil bradband connection tab unavailable
[18:04] <CLF1> my kubuntu won't retain shared HD settings after reboot, any ideas?
[18:05] <Robert200> therefore i cant connect through my Huawei E160 modem
[18:05] <BarkingFish> Robert200: Your mobile broadband, it's connected through a USB stick?
[18:05] <Robert200> yes
[18:06] <BarkingFish> I notice you said you couldn't list your usb devices - you can't get lsusb to work?
[18:08] <BarkingFish> Try this, open a terminal program, Robert200, konsole is good for this - and type: lsusb
[18:08] <Robert200> thats also right, im quite new in linux, however i did a little research, but failed, one of the instruccions i read was to use the lsusb command, however it will not work, it should (as fas as i understand) list the usb divices but it will not
[18:08] <BarkingFish> if you hit enter, and nothing shows up, try: sudo lsusb   (and put in your password after you hit enter)
[18:09] <Robert200> please hold a minute, ill try booting it from virtualbox, right now im using windows so that i can connect to the internet
[18:09] <BarkingFish> ok
[18:10] <orys> hello
[18:12] <Robert200> sorry i have fail to open it in virtualbox, do you know of any program compatible with the virtualhdd format that kubuntu uses?
[18:15] <BarkingFish> Anyone else available to assist Robert200 please? I don't know anything at all about virtualbox or dual booting kubuntu with something else.
[18:15] <ikonia> Robert200: the formats only used by virtualbox
[18:15] <ikonia> BarkingFish: if someone knows they will answer HIS question, you don't have to re-ask it for him
[18:15] <orys> hm
[18:15] <orys> so there is some live here tonight
[18:16] <ikonia> orys: normally if you ask a question, people respond
[18:16] <orys> ikonia: normally if you say "hello", people respond :-)
[18:17] <ikonia> orys: no, as people would just be saying "hello" all the time as people come and go as it's a reasonably high throughput channel
[18:17] <BarkingFish> ikonia: Sorry. I saw the other channel (#ubuntu) tell people off for having 4 or 5 assisting one person at the same time.  I asked for someone else to help because I started to, then realised I couldn't.
[18:17] <BarkingFish> I didn't re-ask his question.
[18:18] <orys> so there is my question: My system don't want to get up, I can't see grub or nothing, so I don't know why, I have no time, so wanted to do reinstall and I can't because intallator can't see my hdd where I have my system.
[18:18] <ikonia> orys: ok - so that sounds like your hard disk has a problem at a hardware level
[18:18] <orys> ikonia: been here before, and people were saying hello, but i guess this is not discussion for that one.
[18:18] <ikonia> orys: is this 1 hard disks, or any sort of raid system ?
[18:18] <orys> ikonia: no, as I now run live CD and I can work on that hard drive no propblem
[18:19] <orys> ikonia: I have two physical Sata discs, don't ask me complicated questions, as I don't know what's raid I am afraid ;-)
[18:19] <ikonia> orys: are you on the livecd now ?
[18:19] <Robert200> i had that problem to with ubuntu
[18:19] <orys> ikonia: yes.
[18:19] <orys> kubuntu, last one.
[18:19] <ikonia> orys: could you please pastebin the output of "sudo fdisk -l" into a pastebin please
[18:19] <Robert200> 10.04, the screen will blackout while inside the os
[18:20] <orys> ikonia: It will take a while, it's sooo bloody slow...
[18:20] <orys> ok, console is open... :P
[18:22] <orys> ikonia: http://paste.kde.org/100237/, lots is in Polish, but I guess you can see the most important
[18:23] <ikonia> orys: ok - so which of those hard disks is your machine set to boot from ?
[18:24] <orys> ikonia: sda usually, I can see it starts from sda1, where windows is installed
[18:24] <orys> usually there should be grub menu, but after last update I can't see it as my screen says "input out of range"
[18:24] <ikonia> orys: ok - so the issue is a video config issue
[18:24] <orys> I googled for the problem, asked here, did not managed to find solution so ignored as the system was starting up no problem and I don't use windows any more...
[18:25] <Robert200> your screen resolution goes out of the specs of your display
[18:25] <orys> Robert200: but if I run live CD and then shut it down, I can see text mode closing messages no problem.
[18:26] <orys> the screeen is pretty good.
[18:26] <ikonia> orys: the livecd is not your install, so it's config is different that your installs
[18:26] <Robert200> yeah couse livecd uses a failsafe resolution
[18:26] <ikonia> orys: he's not saying the screen is broke, the config goes out of range of the monitor
[18:27] <orys> ikonia: yeah, I know, but my old screen was saying that input is too high and was giving me the resolution, now I have new one, and this one should support the resolution which is given by the system according to the old screen, but now it seems too high for that one as well.
[18:27] <orys> As if the system just pick "one level too high for the current monitor"
[18:27] <Robert200> you need to find a way, to chane your resolution and refresing rate to one that your screen can handle,
[18:28] <orys> anyway, got any idea how to solve the problem? Then maybe I would be able to see what's wrong with my system that it does not starts
[18:28] <ikonia> orys: it's a bug - it's picking the wrong config, it doesn't mean it won't work with your monitor, it means it's selecting an unsupported version
[18:28] <orys> Robert200: yeah, I know, but I have no idea what's wrong.
[18:28] <ikonia> orys: you'll find it is starting, you just can't see it because the monitor is not syncing
[18:28] <ikonia> orys: there are two issues, one the plymouth configuration resolution, and the xorg resolution
[18:28] <orys> ikonia: yeah,  it used to be like that. It was starting "behind the scenes" then when X server was up I had my system running no problem
[18:29] <ikonia> orys: are you on the livecd now ?
[18:30] <ikonia> orys: can you mount your hard disk and look in the directory /etc for a file called xorg.conf - do this on your hard disk, NOT on the /etc directory of the livecd
[18:33] <ubuntu____> damn
[18:33] <orys_> I dropped out at 18:30:23, did I missed anything?
[18:34] <ikonia> orys: can you mount your hard disk and look in the directory /etc for a file called xorg.conf - do this on your hard disk, NOT on the /etc directory of the livecd
[18:34] <orys_> ikonia: ok
[18:34] <orys_> i am on my way :P
[18:37] <Robert200> hi there, im asking for help again, for my problem, movil broadbad tab is unavailable(configure-kde control module), while using kubuntu 11.04, fell free to see a screen shot: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/UzMYMg6Mp5K-O3DOnEX6-j2OJBqRfLRvci4Cc2gBcjg?feat=directlink
[18:38] <orys_> ikonia: there is none in /etc, but there is one in /etc/X11 and it looks like that http://paste.kde.org/100255/ so I guess not much in it really. AFAICR there was more
[18:39] <ikonia> orys_: sorry, that was my typo, I did mean /etc/X11
[18:39] <ikonia> orys_: what video card do you have ?
[18:39] <orys_> so I had good guess that it should be there, but I was thinking I was wrong.
[18:39] <orys_> ikonia: nvidia something :P
[18:40] <orys_> ikonia: my problem is that I don't really know much about my computer, as it was usually working no problem, or at least on acceptable level.
[18:40] <orys_> it's like with the car, as long as I don't need to open the bonnet I am happy.
[18:40] <ikonia> orys_: ok so lets put you to a failsafe state
[18:40] <ikonia> orys_: if you edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and add the line "driver "vesa" "
[18:40] <orys_> and if I have to open, I can only tell you "well, there is SOME engine here". So that's me with computers as well.
[18:40] <ikonia> so it's driver <space> "vesa"
[18:40] <orys_> ikonia: just anywhere?
[18:41] <ikonia> under the "nologo" line
[18:41] <orys_> ok
[18:42] <orys_> ikonia: what next? Just to start boot it from hdd now?
[18:43] <ikonia> orys_: give it a go, that should fix your X11 issue
[18:43] <orys_> ok, so see you later
[18:43] <orys_> I mean after reboot
[18:52] <Robert200> hi, i have a problem, movil broadband tab is disabled in kubuntu 11.04 please help... pic: hi there, im asking for help again, for my problem, movil broadbad tab is unavailable(configure-kde control module), while using kubuntu 11.04, fell free to see a screen shot: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/UzMYMg6Mp5K-O3DOnEX6-j2OJBqRfLRvci4Cc2gBcjg?feat=directlink
[18:58] <chilledscorpion> hi
[19:02] <Linkmaster> [14:58:10] <chilledscorpion> hi
[19:02] <Linkmaster> [14:58:23] <-- chilledscorpion (~quassel@182.178.113.246) has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[19:02] <Linkmaster> -.-
[19:04] <jor> hellou
[19:05] <jor>  necesito un buen explorador
[19:06] <orys> yeah, c'est moi again.
[19:06] <orys> No result.
[19:06] <orys> Also tried just to install new grub
[19:07] <orys> no result as well.
[19:07] <orys> I have to say I am fed up with that
[19:07] <ikonia> re-installing grub won't do anything
[19:07] <orys> Do you think I can just install new system over the old one
[19:07] <ikonia> I can't see that doing anything
[19:07] <orys> without formatting the partition
[19:07] <ikonia> no
[19:07] <orys> to save my /home settings?
[19:07] <orys> all important stuff I got on the other one.
[19:07] <ikonia> you can put /home on a different partition if you want to save it
[19:08] <orys> ok, that's the thought
[19:08] <orys> now, I need explanation./
[19:08] <orys> what went wrong with that kubuntu
[19:08] <orys> I use it for years and it was always working, except from one case my internet connection broke during dist upgrade
[19:08] <orys> but I patched it up somehow and it was fine
[19:08] <orys> now every new one is worse
[19:08] <orys> It was all working week ago
[19:09] <orys> then I've been to Norway
[19:09] <ikonia> updates can do that
[19:09] <orys> then I am back and it don't want to start
[19:09] <orys> ikonia: there was no update
[19:09] <orys> noone was turning the computer on for the week.
[19:09] <orys> So unless it was during last update and somehow it started before and now it don't
[19:09] <ikonia> orys: so what's happened to change this ?
[19:09] <orys> I have no idea.
[19:09] <orys> ikonia: that's my question.
[19:10] <orys> David Copperfield was messing something around?
[19:10] <orys> I don't know :D
[19:10] <orys> But I am fed up.
[19:10] <orys> in good old times even if update broke someithin
[19:10] <ikonia> orys: so even with xorg.conf in place you don't get anything ?
[19:10] <orys> next couple of days (or hours) there was another one and problem was fixed
[19:10] <orys> that was brilliant system for someone like me who did not liked to do anything
[19:10] <orys> and now it's crap :(
[19:11] <orys> i am even starting to think about buying Windows, all that after 11 years on Linux :(
[19:11] <ikonia> ok - is there any chance you could stop with the self pity complaining
[19:11] <ikonia> go back to windows any more
[19:11] <ikonia> I'm trying to help you and you are more interested in moaning
[19:11] <orys> ikonia: I don't know if it changed anything as I can't see anything, it's out of range.
[19:11] <orys> :-)
[19:11] <ikonia> good luck
[19:12] <orys> ouch, touchy...
[19:12] <ikonia> not really, just don't take kindly to self pity ranting when I'm giving my time to help you
[19:12] <Linkmaster> orys: he's not being touchy. everyone here is donating their time, and complaining doesn't help anything
[19:13] <Linkmaster> ^Case in point
[19:13] <orys> ikonia: I get carried too much, but my point was that I tried to solve the problem before with help of people from that channel and they failed, so I wonder if it's the point to fight ith that (and waste your time) or if I shoudl just reinstall system,
[19:13] <ikonia> well, good luck
[19:13] <orys> as I can reinstall it myself, but then the problem will might be there again
[19:13] <orys> so I ask your advice if you think there is a point in reinstalling
[19:14] <Linkmaster> orys: if you can boot from a LiveCD or whatnot, then you can backup your /home. Once you've done that, you can boot up a GParted, and completely reformat the drives
[19:14] <orys> or if there is something more to be done.
[19:14] <orys> Linkmaster: hm, that what I thinking, I got all important stuff on the other hard drive
[19:14] <orys> but question is: is there any chance, that after reinstall the problem will be gone, or it will just reinstall the syustem exactly the same way?
[19:15] <Linkmaster> You can probably get away with just reformatting  /  and not /home as well
[19:15] <Linkmaster> Its an X11 issue, correct?
[19:15] <orys> Linkmaster: have no idea, the problem was only during the system coming up, what used to be in text mode was invisible due to "out of range"
[19:15] <orys> the KDE was running no problem
[19:16] <orys> but now it don't want to start KDE
[19:16] <orys> so I guess it might be
[19:16] <orys> but I can't see what's wrong, as text mode is out of range for my screen.
[19:16] <Linkmaster> does the LiveCD boot right?
[19:16] <Linkmaster> *correctly that is
[19:17] <orys> Linkmaster: well, I don't check everything like sounds etc, but what I need works ok, I got network, my drives mounts themselves etc.
[19:17] <Linkmaster> Alright, and you made sure that your BIOS is pointing to a bootable drive, correct?
[19:18] <orys> Linkmaster: I haven't touched the bios at all, so I guess it should be all right
[19:18] <orys> or
[19:18] <orys> wait
[19:18] <orys> I was messing around with the sound cards, maybe I did something by mistake
[19:18] <orys> Linkmaster: gotta check it. Better check twice and be sure.
[19:18] <orys> brb
[19:19] <Linkmaster> Boot the computer up, and enter the BIOS. Enter the section, and make sure its pointed to the right drive
[19:19] <orys> ikonia: sorry for moaning again, and thanks for your time to help me in case you are leaving in meantime ;-)
[19:19] <orys> Linkmaster: yeah, I am going to do it.
[19:26] <Linkmaster> ikonia: sorry if it looked like I intervened. His moaning was bothering me as well
[19:26] <ikonia> not at all
[19:26] <ikonia> I switched off as I can't be bothered
[19:27] <Linkmaster> Very true..I don't know how much I can do though, since I don't have much experience with variable hardware/etc
[19:27] <Linkmaster> I haven't installed Kubuntu on enough systems to really collect the experience I need, my netbook isn't enough really
[19:36] <orys> Linkmaster: nope, everything seems to be all right in BIOS>
[19:37] <Linkmaster> alright...
[19:46] <orys> hm
[19:47] <orys> ok, I think I gonna to reinstall the system now, I copied /home and fstab (as it usually do not sees my hdds by default) any ideas what might be worth saving as well?
[19:49] <Linkmaster> It depends on what you do with your system. If you just did a few tweaks to the UI, and installed things only from repos/.deb files, then you can redo all that upon installation[especially the tweaks, .kde is in /home] but if you do a bunch of installing from source, you'll want to copy a few things from  /  as well
[19:51] <orys> ah, so I guess I can just go ahead.
[19:52] <orys> Linkmaster: thanks for your help and sorry for moaning, but I really have the feeling that with every new dist I have more and more issues. But maybe it's just my computer going out of date...
[19:52] <Linkmaster> How old is your computer?
[19:53] <orys> over 3 years, but I added some ram to it
[19:53] <orys> and graphic card is second hand, as mine went burned.
[19:53] <orys> and I have sound card in it, some antient sound blaster from my previous one ;-)
[19:54] <Linkmaster> Hmm, thats possibly why. Not that it can't be done, but installing new software on older hardware isn't the best way to go, mainly due to compatability issues
[19:56] <orys> but apart of the sound blaster, which never caused any problems (my only problem with sound is that i have to disable the only one, as system finds both), the stuff is not so old
[19:56] <orys> the card is second hand, but it's from the gamer, so it's in fact younger then the rest of my computer ;-)
[19:56] <Linkmaster> Well, in the world of hardware, the term 'old' is subjective
[19:57] <orys> yeah, especially for him. :-)
[19:57] <Linkmaster> On KFN, I saw GreyGeek give a good example about how a computer worked for his friend, but not for him, yet a year later it worked for him and not his friend. And thats because some of the devices were "a", and the others "b". In only a years span of time, on the exact same computer
[19:58] <orys> what's KFN?
[20:00] <Linkmaster> www.kubuntuforums.net
[20:02] <orys> ah, off course ;-)
[20:05] <SpamapS> So, I just logged into a KDE session by installing kubuntu-desktop on oneiric .. I'm wondering why I don't have an SSH agent..
[20:07] <CLF1> when I click aplications>settings>samba, nothing happens?  Why?
[20:10] <orys> ok, it asked me if I want to unmount the partitions. It said I can still install system on them, I just can't change their sizes. I am happy with them, so said "no unmount" And now it says: "ubi-partman failed with exit code 141. Further information may be found in /var/log/syslog. Do you want to try running this step again before continuing? If you do not, your installation may fail entirely or may be broken."
[20:10] <orys> can I just ignore it?
[20:22] <Linkmaster> orys: one thing about Linux you should never ignore is an error message. If you ignore that, I can pretty much guarantee that you'll bork your drive
[20:22] <SteveThePirate_> hey
[20:22] <Linkmaster> orys: I don'tk now exactly what the error means though, give me a second
[20:22] <SteveThePirate_>  jut downloaded kubuntu iso and it came out to around 148 MB.
[20:22] <SteveThePirate_> is this correct?
[20:23] <Linkmaster> SteveThePirate_: no, it should be around 698MB
[20:23] <orys> Linkmaster: I think it's an error saying that partition tool got crashed, as I not allowed it to unmount my partitions.
[20:23] <SteveThePirate_> Linkmaster: why can't I seem to get above 148 MB? from the kubuntu download website
[20:23] <Linkmaster> SteveThePirate_: I suggest you delete the small one, and redownload it. You might be having a faulty connection. If that still doesn't work, use a torrent, its usually faster that way anyways
[20:24] <SteveThePirate_> Linkmaster: the torrent says 10 hours    the dl says 22 minutes to an hour O.o lol
[20:24] <Linkmaster> SteveThePirate_: whats your DL speed?
[20:25] <SteveThePirate_> the torrent, I don't know, I would have to pull it up. the dl direct from the website is around 1 MB/sec
[20:25] <Linkmaster> Fast speeds...try the download one last time. what are you using as your browser?
[20:28] <Linkmaster> orys: did you attempt this installation from the desktop? Such as "try without installing" ?
[20:30] <orys> hm? I don't get what you ask me for
[20:30] <orys> I am now running live cd
[20:30] <orys> and try to install in background
[20:30] <orys> but just getting confused as it pretends to be installing but nothing going on.
[20:30] <Linkmaster> Thats what I asked
[20:31] <orys> I was expecting it will ask me where I want it to be installed...
[20:31] <Linkmaster> Try to install it without clicking 'try without installing'. Instead, when it first loads up, click "install now"
[20:31] <Linkmaster> ^When you reboot
[20:32] <orys> Linkmaster: hm so now it just do not install really, but it is only a simulation then?
[20:32] <Linkmaster> I wouldn't call it a simulation..here, look at this:
[20:32] <Linkmaster> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/527848
[20:33] <Linkmaster> orys: this as well: http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg2811246.html
[20:33] <Linkmaster> As you can see, starting the Live environment might be the cause, so try installing without the live environment
[20:35] <digitig> How do I configure the kubuntu boot options? The documentation I can find says it should be in /boot/grub/menu.lst, but I have no such file. I want to change the default boot on a dual-boot system.
[20:44]  * Linkmaster and I just literally found the answer
[20:47] <Unit193> /etc/default/grub
[20:51] <digitig> Sorry, I rebooted to try to solve my boot problem, but no success. Did I miss any responses?
[20:53] <digitig> I tried installing kde-config-grub2 and using it, but even though that says the default boot is the system I want, when I boot that still isn't the default.
[20:54] <yofel> !grub2 | digitig
[20:54] <yofel> menu.lst is from grub1
[20:57] <Linkmaster> Ah, digitig came back. Its located in  /etc/default/grub  and from there you can change the boot order
[20:58] <orys> ok
[20:58] <orys> so if I install it from under live CD, there is that bug
[20:59] <orys> but if I try to install it from "install kubuntu" in a first menu, I cannot do it, as it can't see sda
[20:59] <orys> and I want it on sda,  not sdb.
[20:59] <orys> ideas?
[21:01] <digitig> Thanks.
[21:21] <digitig> Another newbie question. How do I place an icon on the desktop that will run a program when clicked? I'm running Plasma if that makes any difference. Further, where do I find documentation on using the kubuntu desktop? Whenever I follow the documentation trail it takes me to gnome documentation, not KDE.
[21:21] <Linkmaster> digitig: you can place any file on the desktop for it to auto-execute[if you are using the one-click usage, which is the Kubuntu default I believe]
[21:22] <Linkmaster> orys: You can try using the alternate installer, that tends to pick up things better then ubiquity
[21:23] <digitig> Linkmaster: Thanks. In this case I need to run the program via mono, so I need to execute a command. Auto-execute won't know about that, will it?
[21:24] <Linkmaster> digitig: I'm slightly confused now as to what you mean..you can drag an application's icon to the desktop, and once clicked on, it'll start the program
[21:26] <orys> Linkmaster: what alternate installer?
[21:26] <orys> where?
[21:26] <orys> Is it somewhere in options or what?
[21:27] <Linkmaster> You have to download it from kubuntu, its called the alternateCD
[21:27] <digitig> linkmaster: In this case the program is a MS Windows program -- KeePass. If I drop KeePass.exe onto the desktop then when I click on it Kubuntu doesn't know how to open it. That's presumably because Kubuntu is executing "KeePass.exe" and I need it to execute "mono KeePass.exe"
[21:28] <orys> Linkmaster: ah.
[21:28] <Linkmaster> digitig: I know a somewhat backwords way you can do this, it is pretty simple in the end though
[21:29] <Linkmaster> digitig: what you can do is create a new entry in the kmenu[tell me if you don't know how to do that] and one the section of 'command' do 'mono /path/to/.exe' and then once the entry is created[it should work, IIRC] then you drag that entry onto the desktop, and it should, in theory, work
[21:31] <digitig> Linkmaster: Thanks -- how do I create a new entry in the kmenu?
[21:33] <Linkmaster> digitig: right-click on the kmenu -> new item -> give the name, description[optional], comment[optional], and command[the place where it launches, this is where you type 'mono /path/to/.exe'] and then you click save on the top
[21:34] <faLUCE>  hi, is there a simple calendar gui for linux that prints on the console the date when it's picked?
[21:41] <digitig> Linkmaster: Great, that works, thanks. How do I change the icon?
[21:47] <digitig> Linkmaster: More to the point, where do I start in the documentation to find all this stuff out for myself?
[21:55] <Linkmaster> digitig: to change the icon, go to the menu editor again, and there will be a grey square on the right, click that to select a thumbnail. I found most of this out by various searching on the internet, or from what others have told me
[21:57] <digitig> Linkmaster: Thanks again. Well, I suppose that's pretty much how I learned The Operating System That Shall Not Be Named, so it looks as if that's how I'm going to learn this one too.
[21:58] <Linkmaster> digitig: Don't worry, Linux is really different to begin with, then everything starts to make sense with each other, and the longer you spend learning it, the more everything makes sense
[22:01] <Linkmaster> digitig: once you really start using it, you'll realize that its superior in almost every aspect, and the OS itself makes sense
[22:03] <digitig> Linkmaster; Well, I've tried before, quite a few times, and have never managed to get productive with it. But I keep trying...
[22:05] <Linkmaster> My first times using it were like that. I installed Kubuntu alongside Windows, and used it every so often, mainly whenever I forgot to tell grub to boot into Windows. One day, I got several viri[?] on my windows computer, and I really couldn't be darned to fix it, so I booted into Kubuntu, and since then, I haven't looked back. I always have a windows beside my kubuntu, but only for my ZuneHD. In fact, the latest installation
[22:05] <Linkmaster>  of windows hasn't even been finished, because I never bothered to finish it. If you simply immerse yourself in it, and forget about windows the best you can, it gets REALLY easy
[22:07] <Oxymoron> Linkmaster: Only problem in my opinion is that Kubuntu or any Linux distro for that matter that I have tried works by default. In most cases, for Bank ID, Java, Flash, Mediastreamers, iPod/iPhone etc to work, require quirking in config settings, or in ome cases its hopeless.
[22:08] <Oxymoron> For instance, Sonos Desktop COntroller is not for Linux and Windows binary is not working with Wine. Nothing to do.
[22:08] <IEatKawFish> Can anyone here help with zfs, or know a place where I can get zfs + *ubuntu help?
[22:09] <Oxymoron> Multiple Screens, Tv-out, HDMI and grpahics general doesnt work on ubuntu. Sure you have COmpiz and fancy effects, but nothing really stable for general use.
[22:09] <IEatKawFish> Trying to mount a zfs volume if your wondering.
[22:10] <Linkmaster> Oxymoron: I've never had a problem with Java, or Flash[I use IcedTea for Java, and either Flash or Gnash for Flash, I haven't yet had to tweak a config file] and the thing about the multiple screens, I see almost as much windows and mac issues for this as I do for linux, and KWin has been shown to handle things better then Compiz :P
[22:10] <digitig> Linkmaster: Like my latest frustration. I keep my password database in the cloud, on Dropbox, so I can access it anywhere. I've got Dropbox working fine, and can browse it with Dolphin, but when I try to open the KeePass file from within Keepass I can see the Dropbox directory but can't open it. Grr...
[22:11] <Linkmaster> I dont' really know what KeePass is, so I can't provide help in that sense..
[22:11] <Oxymoron> Linkmaster: For me I always have problem with Java websites require Bank ID, Flash is not stable and is not native, or was not. Except for all this, sure Linux Kernel and *buntu frontend is nice.
[22:12] <Oxymoron> digitig: Thats more a Dropbox matter I would suppose.
[22:12] <Linkmaster> I laugh about the Linux Kernel, because the kernel alone can do 10x as many things as an installed windows/mac with hundreds of dollars of cool extra features as well
[22:14] <Oxymoron> I want a stable, reliable system that is compatible with all external devices, cameras, smart phones, video ddevices like webcam, have support for Flash, Java, Mp3 and so on, no matter if its closed source or not. Then I do not want to quirk things. One example, every time I upgrade Kubuntu from one version to another things get incompatible with each oter. Always end up with clean install of it.
[22:14] <digitig> Linkmaster: Yes, it must be a Dropbox issue. It seems it doesn't appear as a normal directory as it's supposed to. But that's the problem: an operating system isn't productive at all, it's the applications that are productive.
[22:15] <Oxymoron> Then we have conflicts in adept, relation problems and dev programmers which is to fast adding souces pointing wrong. Someimtes I end up with fucked up apt system which I could not fix in any way at all, noteven with adept team help.
[22:15] <tsimpson> Oxymoron: language...
[22:16] <Linkmaster> Oxymoron: blame Microsith and the corporate business world for that, Linux has done amazing concerning where its standing
[22:16] <yofel> IEatKawFish: if nobody here knows the answer you could ask in #ubuntu too. Or #ubuntu-beginners would be a good place too
[22:16] <Oxymoron> If programmers on Linux distros one day could understand people not want to config all day long as they do, then the percentage of Linux quote will take over Microsoft, Google and Apple ;)
[22:16] <Oxymoron> tsimpson: Sorry :P
[22:17] <Oxymoron> I though like Linux GNU Kernel, thank you Linus :D
[22:17] <Linkmaster> Oxymoron: I once saw a quote by dibl on KFN relating to this...."The devels spend so much in the guts of the operating system, that they don't even realize what the users see/need. To them, fixing a config file is a walk through the park" or soemthing similar
[22:18] <yofel> that sounds not too far of from reality actually...
[22:18] <Linkmaster> Not to mention, if you think about it, its the config files, the terminal, all the littler quirks that make Linux Linux. Do we really want it to look or feel like a mac or windows?
[22:18] <Linkmaster> yofel: is a devel, he'd know :P
[22:18] <yofel> :P
[22:19] <Oxymoron> Linkmaster: Hehe :P What Kubuntu needs is a nice GUI, more polished than Apples logo ... and interface in Mac OS and iOS. Then support for external devices people use daily, and some nice backup utility, which I havent be ale to found yet.
[22:19] <tsimpson> so, we have this lovely quiet little channel called #kubuntu-offtopic
[22:19] <Linkmaster> Well, if Kubuntu's GUI were to be like Mac OS X and iOS, it'd be downgrading
[22:19] <tsimpson> maybe you can visit it?
[22:20] <Linkmaster> oh, derp. Sorry tsimpson D:
[22:22] <faLUCE> is it possible to disable for a gui program all the keys of keyboard and allow only the arrow keys?
[22:22] <Linkmaster> faLUCE: go to the keybindings, and turn them all off
[22:23] <faLUCE> Linkmaster: where?
[22:24] <digitig> Linkmaster: Ok, I can open the database file by right-clicking the file, selecting "Open with" and entering the mono command to open KeePass. On the Other OS I would have selected "Always do this for files of this type", but I don't see that under KDE. Is there a way to associate .kbdx files with a command?
[22:25] <Linkmaster> find a .kbdx file, right-click, properties, select the program
[22:28] <faLUCE> Linkmaster: where is that file located?
[22:28] <faLUCE> I use gnome
[22:29] <digitig> Linkmaster: Select the program where? Properties only gives me "General", "Permissions" and "Information" tabs, none of which seems to have anywhere to enter a command.
[22:29] <faLUCE> Linkmaster: anyway, I understood your tip. thanks
[22:29] <faLUCE> it's a good solution
[22:29] <faLUCE> I'm searching for gnome key-bindings
[22:29] <Linkmaster> I don't know gnome very well, I tend to shy away from it
[22:30] <faLUCE> thanks again, bye
[22:30] <yofel> digitig: right click -> open with -> other... - there you have your 'use always' setting
[22:30] <yofel> digitig: or on the general page there's a small wrench beside the file type
[22:39] <digitig> yofel: It doesn't work. I click the wrench, add the application, change the icon, click apply (and it tells me that it's updating the system settings) and click ok -- and it has forgotten all of the settings. Click the wrench again and they've all gone back to the default empty states.
[22:39] <yofel> o.O
[22:39] <yofel> never happend here, does the other way work
[22:40] <yofel> ?
[22:44] <digitig> yofel: Is the other way via System Settings | File Associations? Yes, I've just discovered that, and it works.
[22:46] <yofel> that's rather odd...
[22:46] <Linkmaster> I recall seeing that somewhere
[22:58] <Oxymoron> I want to know how to make HDMI putput work? For the meoment my TV is black ..
[23:40] <amichair> how do I see the list of supported devices for a given driver? or list of supported usb devices and respective driver/module?
[23:43] <digitig> Ok, next problem. How do I share files between Kubuntu and MS Windows files on my home network. The documentation I've found (http://kubuntu101.blogspot.com/2009/07/kubuntu-810-and-samba-part-1.html) suggests that as soon as I've installed Samba it will all be obvious, but I'm pretty much clueless about networking. I've installed Samba but can't see the linux computer from the Windows machines or any workgroups in my local network from my Linux machine.
[23:43] <digitig> I've opened GADMIN-SAMBA which looks promising but I have no idea what I'm looking at. What next?
[23:45] <yofel> digitig: if you're on natty there should be a share button after you install kdenetwork-filesharing
[23:45] <yofel> I don't know more personally
[23:51] <digitig> yofel: Where is the share button?
[23:54] <sithlord48> does anyone know how to add RTM as a "provider" under system settings->aboutme->social desktop
[23:55] <yofel> digitig: there's a share tab in the folder preferences here
[23:55] <yofel> (after I installed samba)
[23:55] <yofel> I'm a bit clueless since I never used that