[00:00] <maco> yofel: http://mackenzie.morgan.name/tmp/kwin_crash_handler.png
[00:00] <maco> jbicha:  my graphics card is irrelevant. its a vm. and there is no kdm involved in booting the live cd
[00:01] <BUGabundo> maco: what GPU?
[00:01] <maco> intel, as always
[00:01] <maco> but thats not whats inside the vm
[00:01] <BUGabundo> right
[00:02] <jbicha> maco: perhaps you'll need to install natty & then upgrade unless you want to report iso bugs
[00:02] <maco> jbicha: im working on ubiquity
[00:04] <jbicha> well you can do some ubiquity work on an already installed system
[00:04] <yofel> does kwin work at all after that? Or is that a fatal crash?
[00:05] <yofel> IIRC I did get a kwin crash once too when opengl didn't work right here, which would be the case too in KVM.
[00:05] <jbicha> it sometimes take the vm devs a while to support the latest kernel & graphics stacks
[00:06] <jo-erlend> uhm. I'm curious to have a look at what 11.10 looks like. Should I use the latest alpha, or the daily?
[00:06] <yofel> if you want to look at it use the daily. (if it boots)
[00:09] <jo-erlend> if I add persistence to the usb stick, then I can install software including drivers, yes?
[00:10] <yofel> yes
[00:12] <jo-erlend> guess it'll only be a quick peek now, but if it works well, I guess I'll test it more thoroughly on my boxes. I've usually waited a little longer before testing, so I'm not entirely sure what to expect :)
[00:16] <jo-erlend> will firefox get overlay scrollbars during this cycle, you think?
[00:21] <jo-erlend> one thing I don't understand, if why they always call the isos for ubuntu, xubuntu, kubuntu, etc by the exact same name. That's kinda annoying when you want to download any test several images.
[00:22] <yofel> I think they're just created in the same way by the same way.
[00:23] <jbicha> jo-erlend: you could use testdrive or dl-ubuntu-test-iso to automatically put the isos in separate folders
[00:23] <jo-erlend> oh. I didn't know that.
[00:23] <yofel> having the same names makes things easier to script too
[00:24] <jo-erlend> how is that?
[00:25] <yofel> simply switching subfolder is usally easier than parsing iso names, but don't ask me
[00:25] <maco> yofel: fatal
[00:26] <yofel> :(
[00:26] <maco> yofel: if i exit the crash thingy it just stays a black screen and X cursor. there's nothing else
[00:26] <jo-erlend> oneiric-*-desktop-arc.iso? :)
[00:26] <maco> no menus...no krunner
[00:27] <yofel> no idea, talk to mgraesslin. Perhaps its fixed in rc2
[00:49] <jo-erlend> I sure hope we'll be able to replace those sounds by 12.04....
[00:51]  * yofel passionately hates system sounds, no matter if it's gnome or kde
[00:55] <maco> yofel: hmm ya know, kwin must still be running because the crash handler has decorations
[00:55] <maco> or must have restarted at least
[00:55] <maco> but there's still no plasma
[00:56] <yofel> when I got the kwin crash the desktop didn't start either, had to restart X. After the crash kwin disabled the GL checks and the desktop came up fine
[00:57] <maco> how do you restart X? theres no kdm
[00:58] <jbicha> maco: can you get to a virtual terminal
[00:58] <maco> yes
[00:58] <yofel> well, kdm should be running, just with auto-login, so restarting kdm should work
[00:58] <maco> nope
[00:58] <maco> sudo service restart kdm      told me that kdm wasnt running
[00:58] <yofel> :S
[00:59] <maco> and its not ubiquity-dm either, which is the only result on    ps -ef | grep dm
[01:02] <BUGabundo> startx ?
[01:03] <maco> x is already running though, i think?
[01:03] <BUGabundo> ps it ?
[01:03] <rww> Alt-SysRq-K would kill X, wouldn't it?
[01:03] <maco> hmm maybe not
[01:03] <BUGabundo> not in a VM
[01:03] <rww> oh, true.
[01:03] <maco> libkexec was running drkonqi
[01:03] <maco> which i think is like using xinit
[01:04] <maco> startx didnt like that...probably because kexec's already got :0
[01:05] <maco> i cant figure out how to kill the currently running X session
[01:05] <maco> which is interesting since there are no X processes
[01:05] <maco> oh wait got it
[01:06] <maco> there was one, but sudo...
[01:06] <maco> now i have a black background again but this time with a folderview widget. slight improvement at least
[01:12] <maco> ...and then the whole thing crashed and went all i/o error on me. lovely.
[01:18] <BUGabundo> I had that 3 weeks ago
[01:18] <BUGabundo> then switched to lubuntu
[01:19] <BUGabundo> will reboot tonight for the 1st time in many days
[01:19] <BUGabundo> and retry Gnome again
[01:33] <jo-erlend> I have to say it's looking good. Unity2d is really impressive.
[01:33] <jo-erlend> is it intentional that you can no longer get a context menu on the desktop?
[01:34] <jo-erlend> ohh. It was just a nautilus crash :)
[01:35] <BUGabundo> ntie
[01:35] <jo-erlend> ntie?
[01:37] <jo-erlend> oh. Good night. :)
[01:38] <jo-erlend> I'm off myself. Very late.
[05:59] <jakubo> hi again... something is being weird with sound for me in  ubuntu... on my intel sound based laptop the login jingle from empathy and pidgin have become a mere click with yesterdays updates...
[08:10] <daniel__> hello i have been trying everything i can to get my wireless working and keep seem to get to no matter what i do i use a Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN [14e4:4311] (rev 01)
[08:10] <daniel__> would anyone have any suggestions?
[08:10] <daniel__> it worked before i updated to 11.04
[10:29] <om26er> after using arrow keys cursor does not move for a second or two whats the problem?
[10:30] <om26er> seems like happens with every key press :/
[10:44] <antihero> Hmm, just grabbed the latest kernel
[10:45] <antihero> nvidia drivers don't work, so I tried the ones downloaded and it claims I don't have the source
[10:45] <antihero> Which is untrue
[10:45] <antihero> as linux-source was also upgraded
[10:48] <antihero> Could nouveau be a an alternative?
[10:59] <antihero> any idea why Nouveau not working
[11:12] <gunni_> Hi. Is the number behind the kernel version in ubuntu consistent with the RC kernel? I.e. Is linux-image-3.0.0-6 = kernel 3.0 RC6 ?
[11:14] <dr_willis> hmm.  never noticed
[11:14] <dr_willis> ! info linux-image
[11:15] <gunni_> I ask because a fix i depend on seems to be in RC7 and the actual kernel in oneiric is 3.0.0-6 ... ok, i may try and see, but knowing would be nicer :)
[11:17] <dr_willis> the apt package info may state the actual source version
[11:18] <geser> gunni_: I'm not sure if this doesn't code the kernel-module ABI (but better ask in #ubuntu-kernel if you want to know for sure)
[11:18] <albert23> gunni_: there is no direct match. 3.0.0-5.6 was already based on rc7
[11:18] <albert23> changelog will tell
[11:18] <gunni_> albert23: Thanks, i will try it now, and hope the fix is in.
[11:19] <gunni_> albert23: How to find the changelog?
[11:19] <albert23> aptitude changelog linux-image-3.0.0-6-generic
[11:20] <albert23> or which kernel version you use
[11:20] <geser> or /usr/share/doc/$pkg/changelog.Debian.gz (if you have the package already installed)
[11:20] <gunni_> thx
[13:36] <seif> hey guys
[13:36] <seif> since today i cant login into my desktop anymore
[13:40] <nyuszika7h> seif: can you log in to a tty (Ctrl-Alt-F1, Ctrl-Alt-F2 etc.)?
[13:40] <seif> nyuszika7h, yeah i can
[13:40] <seif> :)
[13:41] <nyuszika7h> Try this:
[13:41] <nyuszika7h> $ sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart
[13:42] <nyuszika7h> Replace '?' with your desktop manager's first letter (e.g. 'g' for Gnome, 'k' for KDE, and so on.)
[13:42] <seif> i did that with gdm and lightdm
[13:42] <seif> but both then don allow me to insert a password
[13:42] <seif> they restart
[13:42] <seif> however the kdm works
[16:24] <h00k> I'm waiting for my boot-time to go back down in Oneric ;) It was 7.8 something seconds in Natty, and it's back up to 22 in Oneric.
[16:26] <yofel> use bootchart and find out what's causing it
[16:27] <h00k> I have bootchart, that's why I know the differences, but I haven't gone through it yet to figure it out.
[16:27] <KM0201> h00k: ouch
[16:55] <BluesKaj> hiyas
[17:22] <antihero> Does nvidia-current work with the latest kernel yet
[17:27] <trism> antihero: I haven't tested it with 3.0.0-6 yet but it works with 3.0.0-5 (I imagine it will probably work with the latest as well though)
[17:32] <antihero> trism: Worked ine with -5
[17:32] <antihero> but has a problem with -6 it seems :(
[17:32] <antihero> "Module build for the currently running kernel was skipped since the
[17:32] <antihero> kernel source for this kernel does not seem to be installed.
[17:32] <antihero> "
[17:32] <antihero> Even though linux-source is installed
[17:32] <trism> antihero: ahh, alright, I'm gonna go test as soon as I finish upgrading
[17:33] <trism> antihero: you don't need the linux-source package for nvidia-current, you need the linux-headers package
[17:33] <antihero> trism:  ah, okay. I'll make sure i've got that
[17:35] <antihero> I can't wait 'till nouvaeu supports my 460
[17:35] <antihero> high res console is yummy
[17:39] <antihero> trism: linux-headers also installed
[17:39] <antihero> :C
[17:41] <antihero> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/444398/ <<<
[17:48] <trism> antihero: gonna reboot and see what happens with my system
[17:52] <antihero> don't expect a display
[17:52] <antihero> but you might be cool
[17:55] <trism> antihero: strangely, it didn't build here initially either, I forced a rebuild with: sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-headers-$(uname -r); (after booting into 3.0.0-6) then I could: sudo modprobe nvidia-current; and start lightdm
[17:55] <yofel> hm, true, 3.0.0-6 is installed here, but dkms status shows that none of the dkms modules were built with it
[17:55]  * yofel is still running 3.0.0-5
[17:57] <yofel> trism: 'sudo dkms autoinstall -k 3.0.0-6-generic' would've been shorter ^^
[17:57] <micahg> anyone else get a conffile prompt on the 3.0.0-6 upgrade?
[17:58] <micahg> *kernel
[17:58] <yofel> didn't get one here
[17:58] <trism> here either
[17:58] <charlie-tca> none here
[17:58] <micahg> k, will chalk it up to system weirdness
[17:58] <charlie-tca> micahg: locally modified, maybe?
[17:58] <micahg> not that I know of
[17:58] <trism> yofel: I will have to remember the for later
[18:06] <robin0800> any one else noticed this when wireless not connected from sys log every minuet NetworkManager[503]: nm_supplicant_config_get_pkcs11_engine_path: assertion `NM_IS_SUPPLICANT_CONFIG (self)' failed
[18:40] <jakubo> hi, i got a problem recovering from chroot, it says bin/bash has a false format....
[18:40] <jakubo> when chrooting
[18:42] <yofel> that happens if you run a 32bit kernel and try to chroot to a 64bit system
[18:43] <jakubo> you mean... ah fuck... so i need a different live cd version
[18:43] <jakubo> thx a lot ;)
[18:46] <BUGabundo> good afternoon folks! dead dead DEAD tired  but karting was great
[19:18] <antihero> trism: So nvidia-current works for you now?
[19:19] <trism> antihero: yes
[19:19] <antihero> Excellent
[19:19] <antihero> I'll give that a shot
[19:19] <antihero> And switch to lightdm for the hell of it
[19:23] <BUGabundo> I need to recall what's the safe procedure to go back to nouveua
[19:23] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: ^^^^^
[19:23] <BUGabundo> where's sarvat when I need him?
[19:23] <yofel> remove the package and xorg.conf?
[19:23] <Ian_Corne> just removing xorg.conf is enough methinks
[19:24] <Ian_Corne> It's what I always do at least
[19:24] <BUGabundo> yofel: I'm afraid even to try
[19:25] <BUGabundo> already spent 8 days without X this cycle
[19:25] <BUGabundo> must be a record
[19:25] <Ian_Corne> just remove you xorg
[19:25] <yofel> Ian_Corne: that works without problems? Because the nvidia package blacklists the module
[19:25] <Ian_Corne> oh
[19:25] <Ian_Corne> maybe vesa takes over then :)
[19:25] <BUGabundo> going on 3 weeks without gnome LOL
[19:25] <Ian_Corne> I don't know, but removing the conf allows me to log in graphically
[19:25] <BUGabundo> lubuntu user :\ and its not pretty
[19:26] <Ian_Corne> i'll check next time yofel :)
[19:26] <yofel> k
[19:26] <Ian_Corne> of to the bars now!
[19:26] <Ian_Corne> wooot
[19:26] <Ian_Corne> jockey fails to activate nvidia-current atm for me
[19:26] <BUGabundo> bars?
[19:29] <BUGabundo> dinner, bbl
[19:32] <antihero> Hmm, can't get lightdm working at all
[19:32] <antihero> It just is a blanscreen
[19:32] <antihero> damn lag
[19:35] <trism> antihero: did you install a greeter with lightdm? it only recommends one, so you might not have one (probably lightdm-greeter-example-gtk unless you want to edit /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf to choose another)
[19:35] <antihero> trism ah ok
[19:35] <antihero> what's the advantage of it over gdm
[19:40] <antihero> WHAT THE HELL UNITY?!
[19:40] <antihero> Why is it overriding Ctrl+Tab ?!?!
[19:41] <antihero> Who's insane idea was this
[20:05] <jo-erlend> wow... They're blowing up my home town. Oslo looks like a war zone and I walk past that exact area almost every day. I'm talking a few meters away and at that time. I'm really happy I've been programming at home today....
[20:20] <charlie-tca> jo-erlend: glad to hear you are safe today,then.
[20:20] <charlie-tca> That is a frightening experience all the same
[20:20] <jo-erlend> thank you, yes, so am I.
[20:25] <BUGabundo> glad you are all right jo-erlend
[20:25] <BUGabundo> hope no friends, family or acquaintance have been hurt
[20:26] <BUGabundo> anyone tracking http://opendedup.org/ ?
[20:27] <charlie-tca> That website is a mess
[20:27] <charlie-tca> apparently, 14pt fonts are too big for them
[20:27] <charlie-tca> most of the sentences are  cut off
[20:28] <BUGabundo> yeah, stuff goes over tables
[20:29] <BUGabundo> can't even read it in android browser
[20:45] <BUGabundo> I seem to have lost sound controls :\
[20:45] <BUGabundo> and no libnotify in lubuntu
[20:48] <charlie-tca> in lubuntu?
[20:48] <charlie-tca> you give gnome up now?
[20:56] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: its not working for me
[20:56] <BUGabundo> unity or gnome3 is missing the applet bars or what ever
[20:56] <BUGabundo> gnome classic says its not installed and logs me out
[21:12] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: any ideas what packages I would need to get Classic to work?
[21:12] <BUGabundo> I already made sure I had Ubuntu-desktop :\
[21:13] <BUGabundo> I'll try gnome-applets :D
[21:14] <charlie-tca> They removed classic from oneiric
[21:14] <charlie-tca> now got unity2d and unity3d
[21:15] <yofel> gnome 3 fallback should work though?
[21:15] <charlie-tca> 2d is the fallback
[21:15] <charlie-tca> it works for me here
[21:15] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: I can't use either
[21:15] <BUGabundo> where are MY options?
[21:15] <charlie-tca> xubuntu?
[21:15] <yofel> not unity2d, I meant the gnome 3 panel
[21:15] <BUGabundo> LOL
[21:15] <BUGabundo> :D
[21:15] <charlie-tca> :)
[21:15] <BUGabundo> I don't like unity, really
[21:16] <yofel> kubuntu?
[21:16] <BUGabundo> I need my app applet
[21:16] <charlie-tca> kubuntu?
[21:16] <BUGabundo> yofel: :D
[21:16] <yofel> charlie-tca: let's start a match who gets BUGabundo as user :P
[21:16] <BUGabundo> been there, done that for a cicle
[21:16] <charlie-tca> heh
[21:16] <BUGabundo> xubuntu to light and cof ugly cof
[21:16] <charlie-tca> Kubuntu is really nice, if you can figure out to make it do anything
[21:17] <BUGabundo> Lubuntu is nice, but the UI is very outdated compared to Gnome
[21:17] <charlie-tca> ugly?
[21:17] <yofel> lubuntu is too simple for me, my fallback if KDE's broken is xubuntu currently
[21:17] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: last time I picked it up we were in the mist of 9.04 :(
[21:17] <BUGabundo> :)
[21:17] <BUGabundo> yofel: simple but its working
[21:17] <BUGabundo> and I need a working WM
[21:18] <BUGabundo> if at least I could start a Guest Session *from* inside lubuntu I would see if I could login to Gnome
[21:18] <BUGabundo> but all priors attempts forced me to reisub it :\
[21:18] <BUGabundo> its *that* bad
[21:19] <BUGabundo> how does one log out of Unity ???
[21:19] <BUGabundo> can you believe I couldn't find the button?
[21:19] <BUGabundo> at least CAD worked
[21:19] <charlie-tca> don't you just click your name?
[21:19] <BUGabundo> didn't see it
[21:20]  * yofel needs a new oneiric VM to look at unity these days
[21:21] <BUGabundo> I need a new distro :)
[21:21] <yofel> :(
[21:21] <BUGabundo> if I could get ChromiumOS 14 to boot
[21:22] <BUGabundo> and install pidgin there, I would leave Ubuntu behind faster then a light bolt
[21:22] <charlie-tca> hm, I guess kubuntu, lubuntu, xubuntu are all waiting for you?
[21:22] <BUGabundo> I need some vacations from all this testing and mess
[21:22] <BUGabundo> I won't go to k or x
[21:22] <BUGabundo> trying L now
[21:22] <BUGabundo> but its not of my taste
[21:22] <BUGabundo> I just want classic
[21:22] <BUGabundo> at least until gnome3 supports gnome-do properly and have a better notification bar
[21:23] <charlie-tca> yup, sounds like it is time for a break, it has been a long run already
[21:24] <BUGabundo> "Graceful exit if physical disk capacity is reached. ETA : Will be implemented shortly" LOL
[21:24] <BUGabundo> been a full time K/Ubuntu user since 2006
[21:25] <charlie-tca> heh
[21:25] <charlie-tca> yeah, you been testing for a long time, now
[21:25] <BUGabundo> sure, I could just run _stable_
[21:25] <yofel> that doesn't sound like you :P
[21:25] <BUGabundo> but my other laptop with 10.10 and 11.04 seem as imperfect as this
[21:25] <BUGabundo> and don't have the cutting edge goodness
[21:26] <BUGabundo> you know what I miss most now?
[21:26] <charlie-tca> Maybe this hardware is not so good?
[21:26] <BUGabundo> I bet NONE of you will guess
[21:26] <charlie-tca> stability?
[21:26] <BUGabundo> nope
[21:26] <BUGabundo> not even close
[21:26] <BUGabundo> hint: gnome feature related
[21:27] <charlie-tca> I give up
[21:29] <BUGabundo> eheh
[21:29] <BUGabundo> alt-tab grab and drop
[21:29] <yofel> what did that do again?
[21:29] <BUGabundo> you drag something and press alt+tab to change windows
[21:30] <yofel> aaah
[21:30] <BUGabundo> FINALLY it was implemented in Gnome this cycle
[21:30] <BUGabundo> like.... ANY WM does that in.... 20 years
[21:30] <BUGabundo> even windows 3.x had that
[21:30] <BUGabundo> LOL
[21:30] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, your unbroken streak of misspelling nouveau is intact
[21:30] <BUGabundo> stupid OSs/WMs mouse orientes
[21:30] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: I NEVER get it
[21:30] <BUGabundo> I *really* try it
[21:31] <bjsnider> 65835 times in a row and counting!
[21:31] <yofel> ^^
[21:31] <BUGabundo> I excuse them! no one ever gets my nick right without auto complete
[21:31] <bjsnider> french ain't your cup of java
[21:31] <BUGabundo> its soooo funny to google for variations of my nick
[21:31] <BUGabundo> nouveau
[21:31] <BUGabundo> damn ti
[21:31] <BUGabundo> nouveau
[21:31] <BUGabundo> YAY
[21:31] <BUGabundo> got it
[21:32]  * BUGabundo tries to memorize
[21:33] <bjsnider> the correct procedure to go back to nouveau from the blob is to deactivate the nvidia driver in jockey
[21:34] <BUGabundo> ok
[21:34] <BUGabundo> but... it doesn't show any of them activated
[21:35] <bjsnider> are you using the blob at the moment?
[21:35] <BUGabundo> I _think_ so
[21:35] <BUGabundo> it was the last I installed when nouveua borked
[21:35] <yofel> lsmod has nouveau or nvidia?
[21:35]  * BUGabundo and missses again
[21:36] <bjsnider> ok, to do it manually: uninstall nvidia-current, remove xorg.conf, reboot
[21:36] <BUGabundo> drm                   236089  4 nouveau,ttm,drm_kms_helper
[21:36] <bjsnider> is nvidia drunning?
[21:36] <bjsnider> is nvidia-current instaled?
[21:36] <BUGabundo> nvidia-current:  Installed: 275.09.07-0ubuntu4
[21:37] <BUGabundo> ~$ nvidia-detector
[21:37] <BUGabundo> none
[21:37] <bjsnider> your system seems a bit borked to me
[21:37] <BUGabundo> "You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver.  Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root), and restart the X server."
[21:37] <BUGabundo> LOL
[21:37] <bjsnider> what does xorg.conf say?
[21:37] <BUGabundo> looking at it as we speak
[21:37] <BUGabundo> $ cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | pastebinit
[21:37] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/650256/
[21:38] <BUGabundo> no nvidia ther
[21:38] <BUGabundo> meh... total system borked
[21:38] <bjsnider> just uninstall nvidia-current, remove that xorg.conf fragment and reboot
[21:38] <bjsnider> but you really seem to be using nouveau now
[21:38] <BUGabundo> weird
[21:38] <bjsnider> so maybe if you're having graphics issues it is to blame and not the blob
[21:38] <BUGabundo> since I never went back to it , after installing nvidia
[21:39] <yofel> maybe jockey screwed up creating xorg.conf
[21:41] <bjsnider> if nvidia-current is installed you really should be uing nvidia's glx, which means it would be paired with nouveau's ddx driver
[21:41] <bjsnider> that's a mess
[21:51] <BUGabundo> tell me about it bjsnider
[22:02] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, you really shouldn't be submitting any bug reports until you sort this out because everything could be caused by this misconfiguration
[22:03] <BUGabundo> ok
[22:03] <BUGabundo> I haven't done any this month
[22:03] <BUGabundo> :)
[22:08] <aroman> hi, what's the Mac version about? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/alpha-2/
[22:11] <charlie-tca> specific to mac 64bit with the intel chip
[22:11] <aroman> how is that different than for PC?
[22:12] <charlie-tca> something with the EFI in mac
[22:12] <aroman> ah probably 64bit EFI
[22:12] <charlie-tca> it is optimized to take advantage of it
[22:12] <aroman> that's what I suspected
[23:59] <h00k> WOAH
[23:59] <h00k> I just found something
[23:59] <h00k> you know how alt-tab is...well, alt-tab