[00:00] yofel: http://mackenzie.morgan.name/tmp/kwin_crash_handler.png [00:00] jbicha: my graphics card is irrelevant. its a vm. and there is no kdm involved in booting the live cd [00:01] maco: what GPU? [00:01] intel, as always [00:01] but thats not whats inside the vm [00:01] right [00:02] maco: perhaps you'll need to install natty & then upgrade unless you want to report iso bugs [00:02] jbicha: im working on ubiquity [00:04] well you can do some ubiquity work on an already installed system [00:04] does kwin work at all after that? Or is that a fatal crash? [00:05] IIRC I did get a kwin crash once too when opengl didn't work right here, which would be the case too in KVM. [00:05] it sometimes take the vm devs a while to support the latest kernel & graphics stacks [00:06] uhm. I'm curious to have a look at what 11.10 looks like. Should I use the latest alpha, or the daily? [00:06] if you want to look at it use the daily. (if it boots) [00:09] if I add persistence to the usb stick, then I can install software including drivers, yes? [00:10] yes [00:12] guess it'll only be a quick peek now, but if it works well, I guess I'll test it more thoroughly on my boxes. I've usually waited a little longer before testing, so I'm not entirely sure what to expect :) [00:16] will firefox get overlay scrollbars during this cycle, you think? [00:21] one thing I don't understand, if why they always call the isos for ubuntu, xubuntu, kubuntu, etc by the exact same name. That's kinda annoying when you want to download any test several images. [00:22] I think they're just created in the same way by the same way. [00:23] jo-erlend: you could use testdrive or dl-ubuntu-test-iso to automatically put the isos in separate folders [00:23] oh. I didn't know that. [00:23] having the same names makes things easier to script too [00:24] how is that? [00:25] simply switching subfolder is usally easier than parsing iso names, but don't ask me [00:25] yofel: fatal [00:26] :( [00:26] yofel: if i exit the crash thingy it just stays a black screen and X cursor. there's nothing else [00:26] oneiric-*-desktop-arc.iso? :) [00:26] no menus...no krunner [00:27] no idea, talk to mgraesslin. Perhaps its fixed in rc2 [00:49] I sure hope we'll be able to replace those sounds by 12.04.... [00:51] * yofel passionately hates system sounds, no matter if it's gnome or kde [00:55] yofel: hmm ya know, kwin must still be running because the crash handler has decorations [00:55] or must have restarted at least [00:55] but there's still no plasma [00:56] when I got the kwin crash the desktop didn't start either, had to restart X. After the crash kwin disabled the GL checks and the desktop came up fine [00:57] how do you restart X? theres no kdm [00:58] maco: can you get to a virtual terminal [00:58] yes [00:58] well, kdm should be running, just with auto-login, so restarting kdm should work [00:58] nope [00:58] sudo service restart kdm told me that kdm wasnt running [00:58] :S [00:59] and its not ubiquity-dm either, which is the only result on ps -ef | grep dm [01:02] startx ? [01:03] x is already running though, i think? [01:03] ps it ? [01:03] Alt-SysRq-K would kill X, wouldn't it? [01:03] hmm maybe not [01:03] not in a VM [01:03] oh, true. [01:03] libkexec was running drkonqi [01:03] which i think is like using xinit [01:04] startx didnt like that...probably because kexec's already got :0 [01:05] i cant figure out how to kill the currently running X session [01:05] which is interesting since there are no X processes [01:05] oh wait got it [01:06] there was one, but sudo... [01:06] now i have a black background again but this time with a folderview widget. slight improvement at least [01:12] ...and then the whole thing crashed and went all i/o error on me. lovely. [01:18] I had that 3 weeks ago [01:18] then switched to lubuntu [01:19] will reboot tonight for the 1st time in many days [01:19] and retry Gnome again [01:33] I have to say it's looking good. Unity2d is really impressive. [01:33] is it intentional that you can no longer get a context menu on the desktop? [01:34] ohh. It was just a nautilus crash :) [01:35] ntie [01:35] ntie? [01:37] oh. Good night. :) [01:38] I'm off myself. Very late. === vDubG is now known as vDubG__Gone [05:59] hi again... something is being weird with sound for me in ubuntu... on my intel sound based laptop the login jingle from empathy and pidgin have become a mere click with yesterdays updates... [08:10] hello i have been trying everything i can to get my wireless working and keep seem to get to no matter what i do i use a Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN [14e4:4311] (rev 01) [08:10] would anyone have any suggestions? [08:10] it worked before i updated to 11.04 [10:29] after using arrow keys cursor does not move for a second or two whats the problem? [10:30] seems like happens with every key press :/ [10:44] Hmm, just grabbed the latest kernel [10:45] nvidia drivers don't work, so I tried the ones downloaded and it claims I don't have the source [10:45] Which is untrue [10:45] as linux-source was also upgraded [10:48] Could nouveau be a an alternative? [10:59] any idea why Nouveau not working [11:12] Hi. Is the number behind the kernel version in ubuntu consistent with the RC kernel? I.e. Is linux-image-3.0.0-6 = kernel 3.0 RC6 ? [11:14] hmm. never noticed [11:14] ! info linux-image [11:15] I ask because a fix i depend on seems to be in RC7 and the actual kernel in oneiric is 3.0.0-6 ... ok, i may try and see, but knowing would be nicer :) [11:17] the apt package info may state the actual source version [11:18] gunni_: I'm not sure if this doesn't code the kernel-module ABI (but better ask in #ubuntu-kernel if you want to know for sure) [11:18] gunni_: there is no direct match. 3.0.0-5.6 was already based on rc7 [11:18] changelog will tell [11:18] albert23: Thanks, i will try it now, and hope the fix is in. [11:19] albert23: How to find the changelog? [11:19] aptitude changelog linux-image-3.0.0-6-generic [11:20] or which kernel version you use [11:20] or /usr/share/doc/$pkg/changelog.Debian.gz (if you have the package already installed) [11:20] thx [13:36] hey guys [13:36] since today i cant login into my desktop anymore [13:40] seif: can you log in to a tty (Ctrl-Alt-F1, Ctrl-Alt-F2 etc.)? [13:40] nyuszika7h, yeah i can [13:40] :) [13:41] Try this: [13:41] $ sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart [13:42] Replace '?' with your desktop manager's first letter (e.g. 'g' for Gnome, 'k' for KDE, and so on.) [13:42] i did that with gdm and lightdm [13:42] but both then don allow me to insert a password [13:42] they restart [13:42] however the kdm works === bambee_ is now known as bambee [16:24] I'm waiting for my boot-time to go back down in Oneric ;) It was 7.8 something seconds in Natty, and it's back up to 22 in Oneric. [16:26] use bootchart and find out what's causing it [16:27] I have bootchart, that's why I know the differences, but I haven't gone through it yet to figure it out. [16:27] h00k: ouch [16:55] hiyas [17:22] Does nvidia-current work with the latest kernel yet [17:27] antihero: I haven't tested it with 3.0.0-6 yet but it works with 3.0.0-5 (I imagine it will probably work with the latest as well though) [17:32] trism: Worked ine with -5 [17:32] but has a problem with -6 it seems :( [17:32] "Module build for the currently running kernel was skipped since the [17:32] kernel source for this kernel does not seem to be installed. [17:32] " [17:32] Even though linux-source is installed [17:32] antihero: ahh, alright, I'm gonna go test as soon as I finish upgrading [17:33] antihero: you don't need the linux-source package for nvidia-current, you need the linux-headers package [17:33] trism: ah, okay. I'll make sure i've got that [17:35] I can't wait 'till nouvaeu supports my 460 [17:35] high res console is yummy [17:39] trism: linux-headers also installed [17:39] :C [17:41] http://paste.pocoo.org/show/444398/ <<< === Andre_Go` is now known as Andre_Gondim [17:48] antihero: gonna reboot and see what happens with my system [17:52] don't expect a display [17:52] but you might be cool [17:55] antihero: strangely, it didn't build here initially either, I forced a rebuild with: sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-headers-$(uname -r); (after booting into 3.0.0-6) then I could: sudo modprobe nvidia-current; and start lightdm [17:55] hm, true, 3.0.0-6 is installed here, but dkms status shows that none of the dkms modules were built with it [17:55] * yofel is still running 3.0.0-5 [17:57] trism: 'sudo dkms autoinstall -k 3.0.0-6-generic' would've been shorter ^^ [17:57] anyone else get a conffile prompt on the 3.0.0-6 upgrade? [17:58] *kernel [17:58] didn't get one here [17:58] here either [17:58] none here [17:58] k, will chalk it up to system weirdness [17:58] micahg: locally modified, maybe? [17:58] not that I know of [17:58] yofel: I will have to remember the for later [18:06] any one else noticed this when wireless not connected from sys log every minuet NetworkManager[503]: nm_supplicant_config_get_pkcs11_engine_path: assertion `NM_IS_SUPPLICANT_CONFIG (self)' failed [18:40] hi, i got a problem recovering from chroot, it says bin/bash has a false format.... [18:40] when chrooting [18:42] that happens if you run a 32bit kernel and try to chroot to a 64bit system [18:43] you mean... ah fuck... so i need a different live cd version [18:43] thx a lot ;) [18:46] good afternoon folks! dead dead DEAD tired but karting was great [19:18] trism: So nvidia-current works for you now? [19:19] antihero: yes [19:19] Excellent [19:19] I'll give that a shot [19:19] And switch to lightdm for the hell of it [19:23] I need to recall what's the safe procedure to go back to nouveua [19:23] bjsnider: ^^^^^ [19:23] where's sarvat when I need him? [19:23] remove the package and xorg.conf? [19:23] just removing xorg.conf is enough methinks [19:24] It's what I always do at least [19:24] yofel: I'm afraid even to try [19:25] already spent 8 days without X this cycle [19:25] must be a record [19:25] just remove you xorg [19:25] Ian_Corne: that works without problems? Because the nvidia package blacklists the module [19:25] oh [19:25] maybe vesa takes over then :) [19:25] going on 3 weeks without gnome LOL [19:25] I don't know, but removing the conf allows me to log in graphically [19:25] lubuntu user :\ and its not pretty [19:26] i'll check next time yofel :) [19:26] k [19:26] of to the bars now! [19:26] wooot [19:26] jockey fails to activate nvidia-current atm for me [19:26] bars? [19:29] dinner, bbl [19:32] Hmm, can't get lightdm working at all [19:32] It just is a blanscreen [19:32] damn lag [19:35] antihero: did you install a greeter with lightdm? it only recommends one, so you might not have one (probably lightdm-greeter-example-gtk unless you want to edit /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf to choose another) [19:35] trism ah ok [19:35] what's the advantage of it over gdm [19:40] WHAT THE HELL UNITY?! [19:40] Why is it overriding Ctrl+Tab ?!?! [19:41] Who's insane idea was this [20:05] wow... They're blowing up my home town. Oslo looks like a war zone and I walk past that exact area almost every day. I'm talking a few meters away and at that time. I'm really happy I've been programming at home today.... [20:20] jo-erlend: glad to hear you are safe today,then. [20:20] That is a frightening experience all the same [20:20] thank you, yes, so am I. [20:25] glad you are all right jo-erlend [20:25] hope no friends, family or acquaintance have been hurt [20:26] anyone tracking http://opendedup.org/ ? [20:27] That website is a mess [20:27] apparently, 14pt fonts are too big for them [20:27] most of the sentences are cut off [20:28] yeah, stuff goes over tables [20:29] can't even read it in android browser === rcmaehl is now known as rcmaehl-senpai [20:45] I seem to have lost sound controls :\ [20:45] and no libnotify in lubuntu [20:48] in lubuntu? [20:48] you give gnome up now? [20:56] charlie-tca: its not working for me [20:56] unity or gnome3 is missing the applet bars or what ever [20:56] gnome classic says its not installed and logs me out === yofel_ is now known as yofel [21:12] charlie-tca: any ideas what packages I would need to get Classic to work? [21:12] I already made sure I had Ubuntu-desktop :\ [21:13] I'll try gnome-applets :D [21:14] They removed classic from oneiric [21:14] now got unity2d and unity3d [21:15] gnome 3 fallback should work though? [21:15] 2d is the fallback [21:15] it works for me here [21:15] charlie-tca: I can't use either [21:15] where are MY options? [21:15] xubuntu? [21:15] not unity2d, I meant the gnome 3 panel [21:15] LOL [21:15] :D [21:15] :) [21:15] I don't like unity, really [21:16] kubuntu? [21:16] I need my app applet [21:16] kubuntu? [21:16] yofel: :D [21:16] charlie-tca: let's start a match who gets BUGabundo as user :P [21:16] been there, done that for a cicle [21:16] heh [21:16] xubuntu to light and cof ugly cof [21:16] Kubuntu is really nice, if you can figure out to make it do anything [21:17] Lubuntu is nice, but the UI is very outdated compared to Gnome [21:17] ugly? [21:17] lubuntu is too simple for me, my fallback if KDE's broken is xubuntu currently [21:17] charlie-tca: last time I picked it up we were in the mist of 9.04 :( [21:17] :) [21:17] yofel: simple but its working [21:17] and I need a working WM [21:18] if at least I could start a Guest Session *from* inside lubuntu I would see if I could login to Gnome [21:18] but all priors attempts forced me to reisub it :\ [21:18] its *that* bad [21:19] how does one log out of Unity ??? [21:19] can you believe I couldn't find the button? [21:19] at least CAD worked [21:19] don't you just click your name? [21:19] didn't see it [21:20] * yofel needs a new oneiric VM to look at unity these days [21:21] I need a new distro :) [21:21] :( [21:21] if I could get ChromiumOS 14 to boot [21:22] and install pidgin there, I would leave Ubuntu behind faster then a light bolt [21:22] hm, I guess kubuntu, lubuntu, xubuntu are all waiting for you? [21:22] I need some vacations from all this testing and mess [21:22] I won't go to k or x [21:22] trying L now [21:22] but its not of my taste [21:22] I just want classic [21:22] at least until gnome3 supports gnome-do properly and have a better notification bar [21:23] yup, sounds like it is time for a break, it has been a long run already [21:24] "Graceful exit if physical disk capacity is reached. ETA : Will be implemented shortly" LOL [21:24] been a full time K/Ubuntu user since 2006 [21:25] heh [21:25] yeah, you been testing for a long time, now [21:25] sure, I could just run _stable_ [21:25] that doesn't sound like you :P [21:25] but my other laptop with 10.10 and 11.04 seem as imperfect as this [21:25] and don't have the cutting edge goodness [21:26] you know what I miss most now? [21:26] Maybe this hardware is not so good? [21:26] I bet NONE of you will guess [21:26] stability? [21:26] nope [21:26] not even close [21:26] hint: gnome feature related [21:27] I give up [21:29] eheh [21:29] alt-tab grab and drop [21:29] what did that do again? [21:29] you drag something and press alt+tab to change windows [21:30] aaah [21:30] FINALLY it was implemented in Gnome this cycle [21:30] like.... ANY WM does that in.... 20 years [21:30] even windows 3.x had that [21:30] LOL [21:30] BUGabundo, your unbroken streak of misspelling nouveau is intact [21:30] stupid OSs/WMs mouse orientes [21:30] bjsnider: I NEVER get it [21:30] I *really* try it [21:31] 65835 times in a row and counting! [21:31] ^^ [21:31] I excuse them! no one ever gets my nick right without auto complete [21:31] french ain't your cup of java [21:31] its soooo funny to google for variations of my nick [21:31] nouveau [21:31] damn ti [21:31] nouveau [21:31] YAY [21:31] got it [21:32] * BUGabundo tries to memorize [21:33] the correct procedure to go back to nouveau from the blob is to deactivate the nvidia driver in jockey [21:34] ok [21:34] but... it doesn't show any of them activated [21:35] are you using the blob at the moment? [21:35] I _think_ so [21:35] it was the last I installed when nouveua borked [21:35] lsmod has nouveau or nvidia? [21:35] * BUGabundo and missses again [21:36] ok, to do it manually: uninstall nvidia-current, remove xorg.conf, reboot [21:36] drm 236089 4 nouveau,ttm,drm_kms_helper [21:36] is nvidia drunning? [21:36] is nvidia-current instaled? [21:36] nvidia-current: Installed: 275.09.07-0ubuntu4 [21:37] ~$ nvidia-detector [21:37] none [21:37] your system seems a bit borked to me [21:37] "You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver. Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root), and restart the X server." [21:37] LOL [21:37] what does xorg.conf say? [21:37] looking at it as we speak [21:37] $ cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | pastebinit [21:37] http://paste.ubuntu.com/650256/ [21:38] no nvidia ther [21:38] meh... total system borked [21:38] just uninstall nvidia-current, remove that xorg.conf fragment and reboot [21:38] but you really seem to be using nouveau now [21:38] weird [21:38] so maybe if you're having graphics issues it is to blame and not the blob [21:38] since I never went back to it , after installing nvidia [21:39] maybe jockey screwed up creating xorg.conf [21:41] if nvidia-current is installed you really should be uing nvidia's glx, which means it would be paired with nouveau's ddx driver [21:41] that's a mess [21:51] tell me about it bjsnider [22:02] BUGabundo, you really shouldn't be submitting any bug reports until you sort this out because everything could be caused by this misconfiguration [22:03] ok [22:03] I haven't done any this month [22:03] :) [22:08] hi, what's the Mac version about? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/alpha-2/ [22:11] specific to mac 64bit with the intel chip [22:11] how is that different than for PC? [22:12] something with the EFI in mac [22:12] ah probably 64bit EFI [22:12] it is optimized to take advantage of it [22:12] that's what I suspected [23:59] WOAH [23:59] I just found something [23:59] you know how alt-tab is...well, alt-tab