| krakrjak | So is Natty a bad Ubuntu release or the worst Ubuntu release? | 21:24 |
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| kwadroke | not sure, I switched to Lubuntu | 21:37 |
| kwadroke | why? having problems? | 21:38 |
| krakrjak | Well there is at least one HUGE showstopper that cost me a couple of days. | 21:43 |
| krakrjak | Natty cannot boot (even though it's grub2) from a mirrored boot. | 21:43 |
| krakrjak | so if you want an mdadm raid1 for /boot to store kernels and boot loader you can do that. | 21:43 |
| krakrjak | You just can't actually get it to boot. | 21:44 |
| krakrjak | It's a bug in the version of grub they pulled post squeeze release from Debian. | 21:44 |
| krakrjak | when the debian tree is the most volatile. | 21:44 |
| kwadroke | ah | 21:45 |
| krakrjak | Unity is also crap. Thankfully I'm a KDE SC user so no biggie there. | 21:45 |
| kwadroke | then hopefully there will be a patch soon | 21:45 |
| krakrjak | weyland is not as stable as the xorg servers. | 21:45 |
| krakrjak | The bug is marked as critical and has been since before the release and there is no patch yet. | 21:46 |
| kwadroke | I switched before unity came out | 21:46 |
| kwadroke | grab a deb from debian maybe? | 21:46 |
| krakrjak | Unity is nifty and I've heard that Unity+Compiz is actually quite nice to use. | 21:46 |
| krakrjak | maybe | 21:46 |
| krakrjak | not possible when you can't boot | 21:46 |
| krakrjak | I punted and made two partitions and instead of RAIDing them wrote some hook scripts to sync the partitions when new kernels are installed. | 21:47 |
| krakrjak | Also the version of arno-iptables that was sync'd from Debian post release is also broken and the ipv6 support just doesn't work. Works in Debian squeeze just fine on dual-stacked hosts. | 21:48 |
| kwadroke | is it hardware or software raid? | 21:48 |
| krakrjak | software | 21:48 |
| kwadroke | oh, yeah mdadm | 21:49 |
| krakrjak | that really doesn't mean as much as it used to. mdadm raid can be hardware raid now. | 21:49 |
| krakrjak | they added support for the integrated intel controllers to manage them under mdadm. | 21:49 |
| krakrjak | also many of the HP controllers can be managed with mdadm now. | 21:49 |
| kwadroke | cool | 21:50 |
| krakrjak | How's Lubuntu? | 21:50 |
| kwadroke | only times I messed with it was for software raid | 21:51 |
| kwadroke | works pretty well more me. the grub issue would still exist on it too since it's based off of ubuntu | 21:51 |
| kwadroke | I got tired of the gnome bloat | 21:52 |
| kwadroke | lxde is a lot lighter weight | 21:52 |
| krakrjak | oohh and one more bug. Was fixed with an update last week. haskell-platform wasn't installable. | 21:52 |
| krakrjak | I've heard that lxde is nice. | 21:52 |
| krakrjak | I'm just too hardcore KDE to go to anything else these days. | 21:52 |
| krakrjak | Clementine instead of Amarok. | 21:53 |
| kwadroke | I left kde back in the 3.5 days | 21:53 |
| kwadroke | when ubuntu 5.04 came out | 21:53 |
| krakrjak | 3.5... that's too bad. You got to miss out on the broken 4.0/4.1/4.2 releases. | 21:54 |
| krakrjak | 3.6,7,8,9 were all good solid releases and when I really fell in love with KDE. | 21:54 |
| kwadroke | only reason I used kde was that's what Knoppix used at the time | 21:55 |
| krakrjak | I switched to it from blackbox/afterstep/gnome 1.x | 21:55 |
| kwadroke | and there wasn't a whole lot of differences between kde & gnome at that time | 21:56 |
| krakrjak | I liked those, but they lacked the tweakability. | 21:56 |
| kwadroke | kde had tweakability | 21:56 |
| krakrjak | I hear that from a lot of people, but I find gnome to be limiting in that you can't change the behavior of the gnome-shell without modifying code in many cases. | 21:56 |
| kwadroke | but that eventually made me want to switch to something simplier | 21:56 |
| kwadroke | never used gnome shell | 21:57 |
| kwadroke | I got tired of customizing when I have several pcs, so gnome felt like a better fit | 21:57 |
| kwadroke | I can do a lot of customizing with lxde/openbox if I want | 21:58 |
| kwadroke | I got to the point of basically building my own lxde | 21:59 |
| kwadroke | but it started overlapping too much so I just converted it back | 21:59 |
| krakrjak | I have found that I just need to make the customizations and replicate my .kde directories that have configurations I want to the systems I'm using KDE on. | 22:00 |
| krakrjak | That works out well and fits the model I use for my skel | 22:00 |
| krakrjak | https://www.gitorious.org/krakrjak-skel | 22:01 |
| kwadroke | good idea | 22:01 |
| krakrjak | I just keep a git repo of program customizations and pick the parts I want for target systems. So I can do the customizations once and have then anywhere I want. | 22:01 |
| krakrjak | Well, I'm going AFK for a bit. Time to leave work. TTYL | 22:02 |
| * krakrjak waves | 22:02 | |
| kwadroke | most of my systems are for different things so that wouldn't work for me | 22:02 |
| kwadroke | yeah, I'm out too. gota go to LR | 22:02 |
| krakrjak | it might for just shell customizations. | 22:02 |
| krakrjak | have a safe trip | 22:02 |
| kwadroke | ?me waves back | 22:02 |
| * kwadroke waves back | 22:02 | |
| kwadroke | cya later | 22:02 |
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