[21:24] So is Natty a bad Ubuntu release or the worst Ubuntu release? [21:37] not sure, I switched to Lubuntu [21:38] why? having problems? [21:43] Well there is at least one HUGE showstopper that cost me a couple of days. [21:43] Natty cannot boot (even though it's grub2) from a mirrored boot. [21:43] so if you want an mdadm raid1 for /boot to store kernels and boot loader you can do that. [21:44] You just can't actually get it to boot. [21:44] It's a bug in the version of grub they pulled post squeeze release from Debian. [21:44] when the debian tree is the most volatile. [21:45] ah [21:45] Unity is also crap. Thankfully I'm a KDE SC user so no biggie there. [21:45] then hopefully there will be a patch soon [21:45] weyland is not as stable as the xorg servers. [21:46] The bug is marked as critical and has been since before the release and there is no patch yet. [21:46] I switched before unity came out [21:46] grab a deb from debian maybe? [21:46] Unity is nifty and I've heard that Unity+Compiz is actually quite nice to use. [21:46] maybe [21:46] not possible when you can't boot [21:47] I punted and made two partitions and instead of RAIDing them wrote some hook scripts to sync the partitions when new kernels are installed. [21:48] Also the version of arno-iptables that was sync'd from Debian post release is also broken and the ipv6 support just doesn't work. Works in Debian squeeze just fine on dual-stacked hosts. [21:48] is it hardware or software raid? [21:48] software [21:49] oh, yeah mdadm [21:49] that really doesn't mean as much as it used to. mdadm raid can be hardware raid now. [21:49] they added support for the integrated intel controllers to manage them under mdadm. [21:49] also many of the HP controllers can be managed with mdadm now. [21:50] cool [21:50] How's Lubuntu? [21:51] only times I messed with it was for software raid [21:51] works pretty well more me. the grub issue would still exist on it too since it's based off of ubuntu [21:52] I got tired of the gnome bloat [21:52] lxde is a lot lighter weight [21:52] oohh and one more bug. Was fixed with an update last week. haskell-platform wasn't installable. [21:52] I've heard that lxde is nice. [21:52] I'm just too hardcore KDE to go to anything else these days. [21:53] Clementine instead of Amarok. [21:53] I left kde back in the 3.5 days [21:53] when ubuntu 5.04 came out [21:54] 3.5... that's too bad. You got to miss out on the broken 4.0/4.1/4.2 releases. [21:54] 3.6,7,8,9 were all good solid releases and when I really fell in love with KDE. [21:55] only reason I used kde was that's what Knoppix used at the time [21:55] I switched to it from blackbox/afterstep/gnome 1.x [21:56] and there wasn't a whole lot of differences between kde & gnome at that time [21:56] I liked those, but they lacked the tweakability. [21:56] kde had tweakability [21:56] I hear that from a lot of people, but I find gnome to be limiting in that you can't change the behavior of the gnome-shell without modifying code in many cases. [21:56] but that eventually made me want to switch to something simplier [21:57] never used gnome shell [21:57] I got tired of customizing when I have several pcs, so gnome felt like a better fit [21:58] I can do a lot of customizing with lxde/openbox if I want [21:59] I got to the point of basically building my own lxde [21:59] but it started overlapping too much so I just converted it back [22:00] I have found that I just need to make the customizations and replicate my .kde directories that have configurations I want to the systems I'm using KDE on. [22:00] That works out well and fits the model I use for my skel [22:01] https://www.gitorious.org/krakrjak-skel [22:01] good idea [22:01] I just keep a git repo of program customizations and pick the parts I want for target systems. So I can do the customizations once and have then anywhere I want. [22:02] Well, I'm going AFK for a bit. Time to leave work. TTYL [22:02] * krakrjak waves [22:02] most of my systems are for different things so that wouldn't work for me [22:02] yeah, I'm out too. gota go to LR [22:02] it might for just shell customizations. [22:02] have a safe trip [22:02] ?me waves back [22:02] * kwadroke waves back [22:02] cya later