[21:24] <krakrjak> So is Natty a bad Ubuntu release or the worst Ubuntu release?
[21:37] <kwadroke> not sure, I switched to Lubuntu
[21:38] <kwadroke> why? having problems?
[21:43] <krakrjak> Well there is at least one HUGE showstopper that cost me a couple of days.
[21:43] <krakrjak> Natty cannot boot (even though it's grub2) from a mirrored boot.
[21:43] <krakrjak> so if you want an mdadm raid1 for /boot to store kernels and boot loader you can do that.
[21:44] <krakrjak> You just can't actually get it to boot.
[21:44] <krakrjak> It's a bug in the version of grub they pulled post squeeze release from Debian.
[21:44] <krakrjak> when the debian tree is the most volatile.
[21:45] <kwadroke> ah
[21:45] <krakrjak> Unity is also crap.  Thankfully I'm a KDE SC user so no biggie there.
[21:45] <kwadroke> then hopefully there will be a patch soon
[21:45] <krakrjak> weyland is not as stable as the xorg servers.
[21:46] <krakrjak> The bug is marked as critical and has been since before the release and there is no patch yet.
[21:46] <kwadroke> I switched before unity came out
[21:46] <kwadroke> grab a deb from debian maybe?
[21:46] <krakrjak> Unity is nifty and I've heard that Unity+Compiz is actually quite nice to use.
[21:46] <krakrjak> maybe
[21:46] <krakrjak> not possible when you can't boot
[21:47] <krakrjak> I punted and made two partitions and instead of RAIDing them wrote some hook scripts to sync the partitions when new kernels are installed.
[21:48] <krakrjak> Also the version of arno-iptables that was sync'd from Debian post release is also broken and the ipv6 support just doesn't work.  Works in Debian squeeze just fine on dual-stacked hosts.
[21:48] <kwadroke> is it hardware or software raid?
[21:48] <krakrjak> software
[21:49] <kwadroke> oh, yeah mdadm
[21:49] <krakrjak> that really doesn't mean as much as it used to.  mdadm raid can be hardware raid now.
[21:49] <krakrjak> they added support for the integrated intel controllers to manage them under mdadm.
[21:49] <krakrjak> also many of the HP controllers can be managed with mdadm now.
[21:50] <kwadroke> cool
[21:50] <krakrjak> How's Lubuntu?
[21:51] <kwadroke> only times I messed with it was for software raid
[21:51] <kwadroke> works pretty well more me. the grub issue would still exist on it too since it's based off of ubuntu
[21:52] <kwadroke> I got tired of the gnome bloat
[21:52] <kwadroke> lxde is a lot lighter weight
[21:52] <krakrjak> oohh and one more bug.  Was fixed with an update last week.  haskell-platform wasn't installable.
[21:52] <krakrjak> I've heard that lxde is nice.
[21:52] <krakrjak> I'm just too hardcore KDE to go to anything else these days.
[21:53] <krakrjak> Clementine instead of Amarok.
[21:53] <kwadroke> I left kde back in the 3.5 days
[21:53] <kwadroke> when ubuntu 5.04 came out
[21:54] <krakrjak> 3.5...  that's too bad.  You got to miss out on the broken 4.0/4.1/4.2 releases.
[21:54] <krakrjak> 3.6,7,8,9 were all good solid releases and when I really fell in love with KDE.
[21:55] <kwadroke> only reason I used kde was that's what Knoppix used at the time
[21:55] <krakrjak> I switched to it from blackbox/afterstep/gnome 1.x
[21:56] <kwadroke> and there wasn't a whole lot of differences between kde & gnome at that time
[21:56] <krakrjak> I liked those, but they lacked the tweakability.
[21:56] <kwadroke> kde had tweakability
[21:56] <krakrjak> I hear that from a lot of people, but I find gnome to be limiting in that you can't change the behavior of the gnome-shell without modifying code in many cases.
[21:56] <kwadroke> but that eventually made me want to switch to something simplier
[21:57] <kwadroke> never used gnome shell
[21:57] <kwadroke> I got tired of customizing when I have several pcs, so gnome felt like a better fit
[21:58] <kwadroke> I can do a lot of customizing with lxde/openbox if I want
[21:59] <kwadroke> I got to the point of basically building my own lxde
[21:59] <kwadroke> but it started overlapping too much so I just converted it back
[22:00] <krakrjak> I have found that I just need to make the customizations and replicate my .kde directories that have configurations I want to the systems I'm using KDE on.
[22:00] <krakrjak> That works out well and fits the model I use for my skel
[22:01] <krakrjak> https://www.gitorious.org/krakrjak-skel
[22:01] <kwadroke> good idea
[22:01] <krakrjak> I just keep a git repo of program customizations and pick the parts I want for target systems.  So I can do the customizations once and have then anywhere I want.
[22:02] <krakrjak> Well, I'm going AFK for a bit.  Time to leave work.  TTYL
[22:02]  * krakrjak waves
[22:02] <kwadroke> most of my systems are for different things so that wouldn't work for me
[22:02] <kwadroke> yeah, I'm out too. gota go to LR
[22:02] <krakrjak> it might for just shell customizations.
[22:02] <krakrjak> have a safe trip
[22:02] <kwadroke> ?me waves back
[22:02]  * kwadroke waves back
[22:02] <kwadroke> cya later