[04:25] <kbmonkey> laptop is toast nuvolari?
[04:25] <kbmonkey> i tried xubuntu on a neighbours laptop, it boots the setup but always hangs at random spots. this thing is ancient, cdrom drive doesnt work, its horrid lol
[05:59] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: there's a krrrr sound, an has random pauses without the activity light showing anything
[05:59] <kbmonkey> krrrr? is that the disk making noises?
[06:00] <kbmonkey> with old hw, it helps to reseat cables. they come loose after years of heating/cooling expanding/shrinking
[06:02] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: I'm not sure whether it's the disk :P I need to check, It was late and I was tired :P
[06:08] <nuvolari> morning nlsthzn 
[06:09] <kbmonkey> hi nlsthzn 
[06:09] <nlsthzn> Hey nuvolari :) What's up... (alo kbmonkey :D)
[06:09] <kbmonkey> sjoe, dont know why i woke up so early, 6am -.-
[06:10] <kbmonkey> how goes it with all?
[06:10]  * nlsthzn is awake but fuzzy... time for shower me thinks... bbl :)
[06:20] <superfly> kbmonkey: I walk out my front door at 6am
[06:21] <kbmonkey> lol
[06:21] <kbmonkey> used to waking 7am, 1 hour makes a difference when you go to bed between 00 and 01am 
[06:22] <kbmonkey> i have a problem going to bed early, i get stuck reading a book :p
[06:25] <superfly> hi milos
[06:26] <Guest9999> morning superfly kbmonkey and others
[06:26] <kbmonkey> hello Guest9999 
[06:26] <Guest9999> loll
[06:27] <kbmonkey> what happened to your nick?
[06:27] <Guest9999> dunno
[06:33] <Kilos> grrrr
[06:33] <kbmonkey> oh your nick was milos not kilos, it probably changed it for you 
[06:33] <Kilos> the bot open a pw to give a message and i couldnt get awawy from there
[06:33] <superfly> Kilos: yes, cause you had the wrong nick
[06:34] <kbmonkey> is this on jedirc?
[06:34] <Kilos> oh them you stick with maaz
[06:34] <Kilos> now on pc
[06:34] <Kilos> grrr
[06:34] <Kilos> me needs an xchat fo fones
[06:36] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[06:36]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[06:38] <Kilos> in the two profiles i did before i got jed working i made nick milos at one
[06:38] <Kilos> now if i go into profiles i can edit but not save changes
[06:38] <Kilos> grrr some more
[06:39] <kbmonkey> oh deaer
[06:39] <Kilos> lol
[06:40] <Kilos> and also get the option to create new profiles but not delete/remove old ones
[06:40] <Kilos> grrrr some more
[06:40] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[06:40] <Kilos> Maaz, dankie man
[06:40] <Maaz> Groot plesier my vriend
[06:41] <kbmonkey> hmm, i can't install jedirc, my scrolly pointer thingy on phone doesnt work, i cant click the install link :p
[06:41] <kbmonkey> grrrr
[06:42] <Kilos> eish
[06:43] <Kilos> murphy visiting all of us
[06:44] <kbmonkey> good old uncle murphy
[06:44] <Kilos> i see there is a .jar and a .jar file to download i took the top one. whats the diffs or should i get both for all functions
[06:45] <kbmonkey> i think they do the same
[06:45] <Kilos> murphy's law
[06:46] <Kilos> as jy kan sukkel , sal jy
[06:46] <kbmonkey> the jad is the application package, and the jar is like a manifest file
[06:46] <Kilos> and murphy is an optimist
[06:46] <Kilos> manifest?
[06:47] <kbmonkey> a manifest tells us extra info about an application, but in j2me (mobile java) apps a manifest isnt always needed
[06:47] <Kilos> make the save button appear?
[06:47] <Kilos> hehe
[06:47] <kbmonkey> i think some phones (liek symbian ones) need the manifest. im not sure. nuvolari is the java guy i think :)
[06:48] <kbmonkey> i only did a little bit of java. i prefer to drink it than write it
[06:48] <Kilos> this 9300i is symbian
[06:48] <Kilos> nuvolari, is the java specialist
[06:49] <Kilos> unless struggling withs dads pc debrained him
[06:50] <kbmonkey> grrrrr. let me los this phone now. he he
[06:52] <Kilos> hehe
[06:53] <Kilos> but one thing about them. they are very very data efficient
[06:53] <Kilos> would love this pc to be so thrifty
[07:05] <superfly> Kilos: actually, you're quoting the pessimistic law, murphy's law was slightly different
[07:05] <Kilos> lol
[07:05] <Kilos> ya
[07:06] <Kilos> that shows the odds of winning if murphy was an optimist
[07:08] <kbmonkey> murphy's law of Windows: any given program will expand to fill all available memory
[07:08] <Kilos> môre Langjan 
[07:09] <Langjan> hi kilos
[07:09] <kbmonkey> more Langjan 
[07:09] <kbmonkey> how do you get that accent o Kilos?
[07:09] <Langjan> and kbmonkey
[07:09] <Kilos> huh?
[07:10] <kbmonkey> ek wil ook so o maak
[07:10] <Langjan> bobbejaantjies se huh...
[07:10] <Kilos> compose key then shift 6 then o
[07:10] <Kilos> hehe
[07:10] <Langjan> haha
[07:10] <kbmonkey> ô
[07:10] <kbmonkey> \o/
[07:10] <Kilos> gaan dit goed daar Langjan 
[07:11] <kbmonkey> dankie oom!
[07:11] <superfly> ô?
[07:11] <Kilos> w00t
[07:11] <superfly> \ô/
[07:11] <Kilos> hehe
[07:11] <superfly> ỏ
[07:11] <Langjan> guys can you help please, where do I find the application to force-quit a misbehaving application? 
[07:12] <Langjan> dit gaan goed met die ou toppie dankie
[07:12] <kbmonkey> Langjan, press Alt+F2 and type 'xkill'. 
[07:12] <superfly> Langjan: press ctrl+alt+esc and then click on the advert
[07:12] <kbmonkey> your mouse will turn into a black cross, click on the window you want to kill
[07:12] <Kilos> i just keep trying to close and the force quit comes up on its own
[07:13] <Langjan> I used to have an icon to click on - very easy but  dont know where I found it...
[07:15] <Kilos> http://www.ubuntu-news.net/2010/07/29/add-a-force-quit-button-to-ubuntu/
[07:15] <Kilos> hope thats it
[07:15] <Langjan> thanks, will check
[07:37] <Kilos> grrr
[07:38] <Kilos> m wonders why it does that
[07:38] <Kilos> maybe someone else has that nick
[07:39] <kbmonkey> have you registered that nick Kilos ?
[07:39] <kbmonkey> you can do a /msg nickserv info [name]
[07:40] <Langjan> thats it kilos, just right click on the panel, then add to panel and force quit. Thanks 
[07:46] <Kilos> layw
[07:46] <Kilos> lol
[07:46] <Kilos> whew
[07:46] <Kilos> will try that kbmonkey 
[07:49] <Kilos> oh my
[07:50] <Kilos> i find left right arrows moves differejnt channels
[07:51] <Kilos> it tells me nickserv- Milos has enabled nick protection
[07:51] <kbmonkey> ah, that would change you to guest### unless you identify with your irc password
[07:52] <Kilos> now i gotta work out how to register kilosm
[07:52] <Kilos> grrrt
[07:52] <kbmonkey> I just learned that /opt is for installing optional apps :)
[07:53] <Kilos> can one register from here?
[07:54] <kbmonkey> yes you register here. i see you already registered kilos
[07:54] <Kilos> methinks last time i actually went to freenode
[07:55] <kbmonkey> since you already registered, you dont need to register a second nick. you can simply link it to your existing account :)
[07:56] <kbmonkey> that way you log in only once, and can switch nicks at will
[07:56] <kbmonkey> but you can only link nicks that are not owned by anybody else
[07:57] <Kilos> ok can you see if kilosm is please?
[07:58] <Kilos> or how do i link nicks from here?
[07:58] <Kilos> lo morgs 
[07:58] <morgs> morning!
[08:00] <kbmonkey> okay lets check kilos
[08:01] <kbmonkey> kilosm is not registered
[08:01] <Kilos> yay
[08:01] <kbmonkey> so if you want it, you change to that nick (/nick kilosm)
[08:01] <Kilos> gotta go off fone first hay
[08:01] <kbmonkey> and then you group it into your current account (/msg nickserv group)
[08:02] <kbmonkey> no
[08:02] <Kilos> aw
[08:04] <Kilosm> what did it do
[08:04] <kbmonkey> hello Kilosm :)
[08:05] <Kilosm> hello kbmonkey 
[08:05] <kbmonkey> did you group?
[08:05] <Kilosm> i did the /msg nickserv geoup
[08:05] <Kilosm> group
[08:05] <Kilosm> and it said here nickserv: group
[08:05] <kbmonkey> those two nicks now belong to your account, you can use them both
[08:06] <Kilosm> oh my
[08:06] <Kilosm> ty so much
[08:07] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[08:07]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[08:09] <kbmonkey> Maaz, coffee asseblief!
[08:09] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Excuse me?
[08:09] <kbmonkey> Maaz, koffie please
[08:09] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Go get it yourself!
[08:11] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[08:12] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[08:12] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[08:12] <Kilos> hehe
[08:12] <Kilos> Maaz, nasty
[08:12] <Maaz> Kilos: Huh?
[08:15] <Kilos> lo |3o|3 
[08:20] <Kilos> nlsthzn, wb
[08:21] <nlsthzn> Thanks Uncle Kilos ... how goes the phone IRC'ing?
[08:21] <Kilos> hehe its working ty just tried to login on someone elses nick
[08:22] <Kilos> milos belongs to someone else
[08:22] <Kilos> like when i first came on here i was miles
[08:23] <Kilos> within a week someone had stolen it. then i only learned about the registering nicks bit
[08:24] <nlsthzn> yup... annoying that
[08:25] <kbmonkey> this mineola sure is tasty.
[08:25]  * kbmonkey apie like sy vrugte
[08:26] <Kilos> lol
[08:28] <Kilos> kbmonkey,  you sure just doing /msg nickserv group and nothing else knows what nick to group where?
[08:28] <Kilos> huh
[08:29] <Kilos> excuse my ignorance but how does it know to group kilosm to Kilos
[08:30] <kbmonkey> you need to change into the nick you want 
[08:30] <kbmonkey> then you run group
[08:30] <kbmonkey> it will know because you are logged into your Kilos irc account, right?
[08:30] <Kilos> oh and then it sees from where you changed
[08:30] <kbmonkey> yes :)
[08:30] <kbmonkey> it will know 
[08:30] <Kilos> ah gracias
[08:31] <kbmonkey> you do that from here
[08:31] <kbmonkey> its easier than on the phone
[08:31] <Kilos> i did ty but it didnt say anything but group in the reply
[08:32] <kbmonkey> it didnt? what command did you run?
[08:32] <kbmonkey> [as kilosm] /msg nickserv group
[08:33] <Kilos> that /msg nickserv group
[08:33] <Kilos> yes i did that
[08:33] <Kilos> and reply from nickserv was group
[08:35] <kbmonkey> and what did nickserv tell you after you ran that command the first time?
[08:35] <Kilos> group
[08:35] <Kilos> thats it
[08:35] <kbmonkey> just group?
[08:35] <kbmonkey> hmm. is there any messages on the "freenode" tab in xchat?
[08:36] <kbmonkey> ie messages from the server
[08:36] <Kilos>  You are now known as Kilosm
[08:36] <Kilos> * nickserve :No such nick/channel
[08:37] <kbmonkey> look around 10:02 - 10:05
[08:37] <kbmonkey> the time you ran that command
[08:38] <Kilos> thats waht it said at 1003
[08:39] <Kilosm> ok i try again
[08:39] <kbmonkey> well it must have given you the result somewhere
[08:39] <Kilosm> thats better
[08:40] <Kilosm> >nickserv< group
[08:40] <Kilosm> -NickServ- Nick Kilosm is now registered to your account.
[08:40] <kbmonkey> ah that's the one :)
[08:40] <Kilosm> last time it just said group
[08:40] <kbmonkey> maybe nickserv didnt hear you. might be a cousin off Maaz ;)
[08:40] <Kilosm> see murphy here full time
[08:40] <Kilosm> lol
[08:41] <kbmonkey> i got jedirc on my phone with some scrolling tricks.
[08:41] <Kilosm> tricks?
[08:41] <Kilosm> well done
[08:41] <kbmonkey> it doesnt run, i need to set app permissions for it, but the options cant work without a scroller :p
[08:42] <Kilosm> took me most of yesterday
[08:42] <kbmonkey> yes tricks. i scrolled the web page on the phone up/dn until the link was below my pointer. he he
[08:42] <Kilosm> lol
[08:42] <kbmonkey> ... if you cant bring mohammed to the mountain...
[08:42] <Kilosm> lo Tonberry 
[08:42] <Tonberry> lo
[08:43] <kbmonkey> o/
[08:43] <kbmonkey> o\
[08:46] <apie> ek wil ook nick names speel
[08:46] <Kilos-> lol
[08:47] <Kilos> was just grouping my tail one too
[08:47] <Kilos> hate to have my  tail stolen out under me
[08:48] <Kilos> lol
[08:48] <Kilos> het jy nou apie ge group
[08:48] <kbmonkey> he he. remember if you dont use those nicks, they will expire too
[08:49] <kbmonkey> after 90 days or something,someone else can claim them
[08:49] <kbmonkey> ja ek het die apie ook
[08:49] <Kilos> yeah but the tail comes everytime there is a connection cut
[08:50] <kbmonkey> it does?
[08:51] <Kilos> yes man havent you seen when someone is disconnected and comes back before timeout
[08:51] <Kilos> then they got tails
[08:51] <kbmonkey> ha ha!
[08:51] <Kilos> like scar[w]_ 
[08:53] <Kilos> now figure how to make tab complete work on fone
[08:53] <Kilos> or maybe its jedirc that cant do that
[08:54] <kbmonkey> that might be a xchat thing
[08:55] <Kilos> oh my
[08:55] <Kilos> no man
[08:55] <Kilos> quassel also does it im sure
[08:55] <Kilos> i dont see the fly and the pro not having tab complete
[08:56] <kbmonkey> hmm, jedirc based on jmirc. the docs dont have anything about tab or auto complete
[08:56] <kbmonkey> you'll have to experiment :D
[08:57] <Kilos> lol
[08:58] <Kilos> hehe
[08:58] <Kilos> hiya brollox 
[08:58] <kbmonkey> oh dear Kilos, you are stirring the channel now
[08:58] <kbmonkey> he he
[08:58] <Kilos> hee hee
[09:01] <brollox> hi Kilos
[09:01]  * brollox be trolling
[09:01] <Kilos> lol
[09:02] <Kilos> in disguise
[09:11] <Kilos> hi queery 
[09:12] <Kilos> i gotta go off. used 1.5m here
[09:12] <Kilos> grrr sure voda crooks
[09:12] <Kilos> later all
[09:12] <Kilos> or via fone
[09:16] <queery> hi oom kilos
[09:16] <queery> oh oops
[09:17] <kbmonkey> hi queery :)
[09:18] <queery> hi kbmonkey 
[09:18] <Kilosm> hehe @ the oops
[09:18] <Kilosm> gotcha
[09:21] <queery> hehe
[09:21] <queery> ok to the neelsie
[09:21] <queery> l8er
[09:25] <kbmonkey> gotta do some paperwork at the bank, be back later geeks!
[09:33] <inetpro> good morning
[09:34] <inetpro> Kilosm: I like your new way of connecting to the channel, nice!
[10:15] <Kilosm> lol hiya inetpro
[10:32] <Kilosm> maaz wat eet ons
[10:32] <Maaz> Rys vleis en aartapels
[10:34] <Kilosm> maaz koffie asb
[10:34] <Maaz> Kilosm: What?
[10:34] <Kilosm> maaz koffie please
[10:34] <Maaz> Kilosm: Go get it yourself!
[10:35] <Kilosm> maaz nasty
[10:35] <Maaz> Well, Kilosm There are times you guys need to be put in your place. :)
[13:58] <Langjan> Hi guys, howzit? I'm pretty much back to sq 1, my system is running well but is again logging me out if I leave it for a while. 
[13:59] <Langjan> Last time, it stopped doing it when I disabled compiz by trying to remove it, do you think I should try to remove it again?
[14:02] <Kilosm> Wait langjan
[14:03] <Kilos> Langjan, you see maaz in the right side of your xcah
[14:03] <Kilos> xchat
[14:04] <Langjan> Yes I do
[14:05] <Kilos> if you right click on him and open dialogue window
[14:05] <Kilos> you will be able to say google and your question
[14:05] <Kilos> and he comes up with links
[14:05] <Kilos> but lets try here first
[14:06] <Langjan> Say google?
[14:06] <Kilos> Maaz, google compiz keeps logging off
[14:06] <Maaz> Kilos: "[SOLVED] Ubuntu 11.04. keeps logging off while playing flash ..." http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1752854 :: "Enable/disable compiz from command line in F14 - FedoraForum.org" http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=259318 :: "Xmonad/Using xmonad in Gnome - HaskellWiki" http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Xmonad/Using_xmonad_in_Gnome :: "Mandriva Forum (en) • View topic - Shape Shifting but no Shadows..." http://for
[14:06] <Kilos> see then he gives links to similar probs
[14:08] <Kilos> Maaz, google compiz logs out consistantlu on ubuntu maverick
[14:08] <Maaz> Kilos: Wow! Google couldn't find anything
[14:08] <Kilos> i dont even know what compiz does
[14:09] <Kilos> maybe there is a gnome expert here that can help
[14:10] <Kilos> Maaz, google how to stop compiz logging out on maverick
[14:10] <Maaz> Kilos: "PPA! | be careful, he might break your display" http://smspillaz.wordpress.com/2010/11/11/ppa/ :: "Ubuntu Maverick Installation Guide - cchtml.com" http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Maverick_Installation_Guide :: "[SOLVED] Maverick Gnome Sort of Locks Up - Ubuntu Forums" http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613146 :: "11.04 - How do I install the latest version of GNOME 3? - Ask ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/22946/h
[14:10] <Kilos> eish
[14:11] <Kilos> confluency, do you have an idea on how to block compiz logging langjan out please?
[14:14] <Kilos> there must be settings or configuration somewhere
[14:16] <Kilos> when here jan you first have to type in maaz but in his dialogue window you start with google
[14:17] <Langjan> Meantime I have disabled all the compiz options, hope that helps! Like having a Porsche with no fuel...
[14:17] <Kilos> lol
[14:17] <Kilos> what does compiz do. i see it is installed here
[14:20] <Langjan> It has done nothing for me except to cause hassles
[14:20] <Kilos> maybe compiz got hurt with the last episode Langjan 
[14:21] <Kilos> try sudo aptitude reinstall compiz
[14:21] <Langjan> I was hoping but no luck - lamga
[14:21] <Kilos> lol
[14:21] <Langjan> Frankly I would rathr remove it
[14:22] <Kilos> does everything work without it
[14:22] <Kilos> then you can sudo aptitude purge compiz
[14:23] <Kilos> but i dont know what it will affect
[14:23] <Kilos> i go see in synaptic what compiz is
[14:24] <Langjan> yes, as I said it did nothing for me, i don't even know why I installed it - oh yes, it was when we were trying to get my desktop switcher to react to drag and drop, I now know that I need to go to basic graphics to do that. Crazy 
[14:24] <Kilos> oh visual affects
[14:25] <Kilos> my compiz installed with ubuntu. i didnt install
[14:26] <Kilos> 7 packages
[14:27] <Langjan> to purge or to reinstall, that is the question (soos Willie Wikkelspies gese het) 
[14:27] <Kilos> but if your system worked without it then do sudo aptitude purge compiz
[14:27] <Kilos> lmga
[14:27] <Kilos> well purge it and if not happy the sudo aptitude install compiz
[14:28] <Kilos> reinstall works only if the package is already there
[14:28] <Langjan> ok will do, thanx
[14:28] <Kilos> good luck
[14:29] <Kilos> hey Langjan 
[14:30] <Kilos> there is a compiz channel
[14:30] <Kilos> they should know how to help you
[14:30] <Kilos> type in here /j #compiz
[14:30] <Langjan> mine is already washing down that channel
[14:31] <Kilos> lol
[14:31] <Langjan> lmga
[14:31] <Kilos> i dunno where all the gnome guys are
[14:32] <Kilos> kbmonkey, is jy op gnome
[14:32] <confluency> Kilos, Langjan: I don't use Compiz; sorry.
[14:33] <Kilos> ty confluency 
[14:33] <Langjan> something else, since 10.10 my open office is taking forever to open, in spite of all the tweaks that used to work. Any suggestions?  
[14:33] <confluency> Langjan: if you don't mind removing it entirely, have you just tried disabling it?
[14:33]  * confluency scrolls up
[14:33] <Langjan> confluency, neither do I (from now on)...thanks
[14:34] <confluency> Compiz is a compositing manager; it's just there for prettiness.  You can disable it without breaking anything; whenever I use Gnome I usually do.
[14:34] <confluency> If you go to the appearance configuration, the last tab is something like "desktop effects".
[14:35] <Langjan> kilos, I have run the purge command but compiz still shows on my system? 
[14:35] <confluency> You can choose "none", "some" or "lots".  Choosing none will disable compiz.
[14:35] <confluency> You shouldn't need to uninstall stuff!
[14:36] <confluency> Langjan: I think in Maverick Compiz is what makes the workspace switcher drag and drop stop working (unless you set up something in compiz).
[14:36] <Kilos> oh my. purge normally cleans up
[14:36] <confluency> Langjan: what do you mean by "shows on your system"?
[14:36] <confluency> What exactly did you do?
[14:36] <Langjan> OK so I have unticked all the options in compiz and I have run the purge command (it does not seem to like going away!) so I will see what happens 
[14:37] <confluency> Where did you untick the options?
[14:37] <confluency> Did you try just disabling compiz?
[14:39] <Langjan> By shows on the system I mean if I go system/preferences compiz settings manager shows, that is where I unticked the options 
[14:39] <confluency> And what was the purge command you tried?
[14:40] <confluency> And what does dpkg -l | grep compiz say?
[14:40] <confluency> Like I said; you shouldn't need to uninstall anything.  You can disable compiz completely in the appearance dialog.
[14:40] <confluency> Did you try doing that?
[14:41] <Langjan> I ran sudo aptitude purge compiz
[14:43] <Langjan> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[14:43] <Langjan> | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
[14:43] <Langjan> |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[14:43] <Langjan> ||/ Name           Version        Description
[14:43] <Langjan> +++-[14:43] <Langjan> un  compiz         <none>         (no description available)
[14:43] <confluency> OK, so you probably uninstalled some part of compiz and not the rest.  There are several compiz packages.
[14:43] <Langjan> ii  grep           2.6.3-3        GNU grep, egrep and fgrep
[14:43] <Langjan> No packages found matching /.
[14:43] <confluency> I think you forgot the | there.
[14:43] <confluency> Did you try disabling compiz?
[14:45] <Langjan> I did /, where do I find the vertical stripe? 
[14:45] <Langjan> How do I disable compiz?
[14:45] <Kilos> Langjan, just copy and paste the commands
 If you go to the appearance configuration, the last tab is something like "desktop effects".
 You can choose "none", "some" or "lots".  Choosing none will disable compiz.
[14:46] <Langjan> For some reason it will not copy and paste...
[14:46] <confluency> The pipe (|) should be on the same key as \.  So hold down shift.
[14:46] <Kilos> control c will copy
[14:47] <confluency> Forget the dpkg command; you uninstalled the compiz package and not the handful of compiz-related packages, which id probably why you still have random bits of compiz.
[14:47] <confluency> I suggest selecting to copy and middle-clicking to paste; ctrl-c means "cancel" in some terminals so ctrl-c and ctrl-v don't always work.
[14:49] <confluency> I suggest that you either reinstall the compiz package or find all the compiz-related packages too and uninstall all of them, so you don't have *half* a compiz install.
[14:49] <confluency> You shouldn't need to uninstall compiz; you can just disable it.
[14:49]  * nuvolari learned not to mess around with X too much
[14:50] <Langjan> ok thanks, I will see what happens now, hopefully the problem is solved 
[14:50] <Kilos> whew
[14:51] <Kilos> my synaqptic shows compiz installed but i dont see compiz anything in system preferences
[14:51] <Langjan> http://pastebin.com/bhWzmekn
[14:52] <Langjan> you probably need to install the settings manager from the options
[14:52] <Kilos> nuvolari, do you use compiz?
[14:53] <Langjan> which is what I need to reverse to not see the settings...
[14:53] <Kilos> lol. mine is working so i leave well enough alone
[14:54] <Kilos> well display works fine without seeing compiz in prefs
[14:54] <Kilos> old saying. dont fix what isnt broken
[14:54] <Langjan> leave well enough alone
[14:55] <Kilos> yeah
[14:55] <Kilos> but you dont have the choice
[14:56] <Kilos> it must be a little thing if it worked before
[14:56] <Kilos> oh no. you installed it to fix the desktop thing hey
[14:58] <nuvolari> Kilos: I do oom, well, I think I do
[14:58] <nuvolari> I use what's default
[14:58] <kbmonkey> hi Kilos, no i'm not on gnome
[14:58] <nuvolari> and whatever openbox runs
[14:58] <nuvolari> (xcompizmr?)
[14:58] <Kilos> yeah my default added compiz without the settings option
[14:59] <Kilos> ty kbmonkey 
[14:59] <Langjan> kilos, you get the settings option by selecting it in main menu
[15:01] <Kilos> i not gonna fiddle. mine is working without settings visible
[15:01] <Kilos> ek bangjan
[15:01] <nuvolari> heh
[15:01] <nuvolari> eerder as dooie jan of jammerjan
[15:01] <Kilos> lmga
[15:02] <Kilos> is you system working with it killed now Langjan 
[15:02] <Langjan> ok but you have the settings option you are just not showing it - gogga maak vir baba bang!
[15:02] <kbmonkey> i suspect if you try remove compiz, it will also try remove ubuntu-desktop, that wont be too good
[15:02] <Kilos> ha ha
[15:03] <Kilos> eina ja kbmonkey 
[15:03] <kbmonkey> best to leave it turned off for now, get to know the system first :)
[15:03] <Langjan> veryting is working normally kilos, except that hopefully it will not log me out when I go to dinner
[15:03] <Kilos> good lets hope
[15:04] <Kilos> otherwise we go beg the compiz peeps for help
[15:05] <Langjan> the only thing not working is desktop extra effects, which I don't need
[15:06] <Kilos> Langjan, the other office prob you can try sudo aptitude reinstall those packages
[15:06] <Langjan> what packages?
[15:06] <Kilos> most likely will download a few k to get things right again
[15:07] <kbmonkey> say that just ticked something in my head -- if compiz logs you off randomly, you should check the log ving a Porsche with no fuel... i think?
[15:07] <Kilos> methinks openoffice but i not sure
[15:07] <Langjan> lmga
[15:07] <Kilos> lol kbmonkey 
[15:07] <kbmonkey> i say this because compiz uses your graphics. that uses more power, and makes more heat. my gfx card starts humming core if its in use
[15:08] <kbmonkey> so that said, it may be an overheating or underpowering issue too
[15:08] <Kilos> Langjan, open system admin synaptic package manager
[15:08] <Kilos> in the top little window type in
[15:08] <kbmonkey> i seen some crazy strange problems from underpowered machine, stuff you would never ever expect
[15:08] <nuvolari> bah. anyone with a google music account?
[15:09] <kbmonkey> google...music?
[15:09] <kbmonkey> wow hulle mors nie tyd nie
[15:09] <Kilos> office
[15:10] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: since may
[15:10] <nuvolari> only available on linux now
[15:10] <nuvolari> and only in the US :'(
[15:10] <Kilos> Langjan, openoffice
[15:10] <Kilos> then you can see if the packages got - in or not
[15:11] <kbmonkey> ooO is known to take a while some times ;P
[15:11] <Langjan> ok am running oo reinstall
[15:12] <kbmonkey> Abiword is tiny, but only word processor. opens all the files open office writer does
[15:15] <Kilos> hehe i have only used office to open a ppview file\otherwise i dunno what its here for
[15:16]  * nuvolari suffers from withdrawal fsymptoms
[15:16] <kbmonkey> he he. if I want to write, I use text files :p
[15:16] <Kilos> lol from what nuvolari 
[15:16] <nuvolari> rgh. lag.
[15:16]  * nuvolari gets a dictionary
[15:16] <Kilos> rgh?
[15:17] <nuvolari> (withdrawal symptom) any physical or psychological disturbance (as sweating or depression) experienced by a drug addict when deprived of the drug. 
[15:17] <kbmonkey> oh dear
[15:17] <kbmonkey> Maaz, administer medicine
[15:17] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Excuse me?
[15:17] <Kilos> ah you a druggy with no merchant near
[15:18] <kbmonkey> hmm, what's this duel mode in Maaz
[15:18] <nuvolari> Kilos:I need a drug I never had before
[15:18] <kbmonkey> Maaz, define Maaz 
[15:18] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Maaz, wood; wooden
[15:18] <kbmonkey> :p
[15:19] <nuvolari> Maaz: define llama
[15:19] <Maaz> nuvolari: Llama \Lla"ma\, n. [Peruv.] 1. (Zool.) A South American ruminant ({Auchenia llama}), allied to the camels, but much smaller and without a hump. It is supposed to be a domesticated variety of the guanaco. It was formerly much used as a beast of burden in the Andes, and is also kept on some ranches in the United States. [1913 Webster]  2. The fleece of the llama[1], a fine, soft wool-like hair. [PJC], llama n 1: wild or domesticated
[15:19] <nuvolari> o.O
[15:19] <nuvolari> one line?
[15:19] <nuvolari> ok, I'm off
[15:20] <nuvolari> cheerz
[15:20] <kbmonkey> ciao nuvolari 
[15:20] <kbmonkey> o/
[15:20] <kbmonkey> \o
[15:22] <Kilos> cheers nuvolari 
[15:22] <Kilos> lo nlsthzn 
[15:23] <Kilos> kbmonkey,  you dunno
[15:23] <Kilos> you can fight a duel with maaz
[15:23] <Kilos> i dunno how but watched others before
[15:25] <nlsthzn> Hey uncle Kilos :)
[15:25] <kbmonkey> ah, should we try?
[15:25] <kbmonkey> Maaz, I duel kilos to a duel
[15:25] <Maaz> kbmonkey: What?
[15:25] <kbmonkey> oops
[15:25] <Kilos> lol
[15:25] <Kilos> challenge
[15:26] <kbmonkey> Maaz, I challenge kilos to a duel
[15:26] <Maaz> kilos: The gauntlet has been thrown at your feet. Do you accept?
[15:26] <Kilos> Maaz, accept
[15:26] <Maaz> kbmonkey, Kilos: The duel shall begin on the stroke of 17:27:00 SAST (in 47 seconds). You may clean your pistols.
[15:26] <kbmonkey> lol
[15:26] <Kilos> no fair i dunno what to do man
[15:26] <kbmonkey> Maaz, draw my sword
[15:26] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Did I say go yet?
[15:26] <kbmonkey> jpffft
[15:26] <Kilos> hehe
[15:26]  * kbmonkey cleans gibs of sword
[15:27] <Maaz> kbmonkey, Kilos: ready ... aim ... fire!
[15:27] <kbmonkey> Maaz, shoot
[15:27] <Maaz> kbmonkey: *blink*
[15:27] <kbmonkey> err
[15:27] <Kilos> Maaz, fire
[15:27] <Maaz> TRAGEDY: Kilos shoots before drawing his weapon. Luckily, it was only a flesh wound
[15:27] <Maaz> VICTORY: Kilos bleeds to death
[15:27] <kbmonkey> haha
[15:27] <Kilos> hehe
[15:27] <kbmonkey> oh my!
[15:27] <Kilos> Maaz, draw
[15:27] <Maaz> Kilos: You may only draw a weapon on the field of honour
[15:27] <kbmonkey> so that's what duel does. 
[15:28] <Kilos> Maaz, announce invites to kilos funeral
[15:28] <Maaz> Hear ye, hear ye! invites to kilos funeral
[15:29] <kbmonkey> I'll bring the sugar, Maaz you have the koffie
[15:29] <kbmonkey> Maaz, announce and bring your own cups!
[15:29] <Maaz> Hear ye, hear ye! and bring your own cups
[15:30] <Kilos> lol
[15:33] <Kilos> doesnt aptitude purge remove all dependancies as well
[15:36] <kbmonkey> im not sure
[15:36] <kbmonkey> no, it removes config and data too
[15:36] <Langjan> kilos, before you drift off, I have re-run open office from synapticpmgr and checked the "run faster" tweaks, but it still takes about 20 seconds to open a document...
[15:37] <Kilos> oh my
[15:37] <kbmonkey> are these just word documents Langjan ?
[15:37] <Langjan> correct
[15:37] <kbmonkey> try abiword, see if that is faster.
[15:38] <Langjan> what is abiword? Find in applications?
[15:38] <kbmonkey> its a light weight word processor that can do whatever OO writer does
[15:39] <Kilos> my documents open with gedit
[15:39] <Langjan> thanks will try abiword
[15:39] <Kilos> oh thats not installed by default anymore
[15:39] <kbmonkey> you will have to install abiword. by itself its 1.5 megabyte, its pretty tiny.
[15:39] <Kilos> Langjan, are they fancy documents
[15:40] <Kilos> or just text
[15:40] <Langjan> no kilos, just text
[15:40] <Kilos> then sudo aptitude install gedit
[15:41] <Kilos> then you can right click and open with gedit
[15:41] <Kilos> or set then to open with gedit with a double click
[15:42] <Langjan> I do use gedit but it is very basic
[15:42] <Kilos> text is basic
[15:42] <Kilos> i not an office person so dunjno
[15:42] <Kilos> dunno either
[15:43] <Langjan> will try abiword, but cannot understand why Open Office has to be slow on 10.10 when it ran perfectly on 10.04.
[15:43] <Kilos> ok we ask maaz
[15:43] <Langjan> I need some extras like fonts, Afrikaans symbols etc
[15:44] <Kilos> Maaz, google why openoffice opens files so slow on maverick
[15:44] <Maaz> Kilos: "[ubuntu] OpenOffice Open/Save extrmely slow - Page 5 - Ubuntu Forums" http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1512422&page=5 :: "How to install Oracle's OpenOffice.org 3.3.0 RC in ubuntu ..." http://www.unixmen.com/linux-tutorials/1263-oracles-openofficeorg-330-is-released-with-installation-instructions-for-ubuntu-fedora-centos-debian-linuxmint :: "Bug 112546 – Long load/save times in Ubuntu 10.04 - OpenOffice.org" http://openoff
[15:44] <Kilos> thats the prob then. you need kantoor
[15:45] <Kilos> oop kantoor
[15:45] <Kilos> lmga skuus man
[15:49] <kbmonkey> OO got acquired by oracle, I think all new distros using LibreOffice now instead
[15:51] <tumbleweed> the distros "forked" (maintained a patchset for) OO ages ago. When LO arrived, they switched to that
[15:51] <tumbleweed> it would be nice if LO could merge back into OO, but licencing incompatibilities may make that impossible
[15:52] <kbmonkey> Snowflake's chance in hell LO would merge back into OO. Oracle is a devil amongst FOSS now
[15:52] <kbmonkey> strange to see it, but people miss Sun :)
[15:56] <tumbleweed> OO is moving to apache.org. I think oracle couldn't care less about it any more
[16:00] <kbmonkey> so they just jumped in to cause a stir, and then f****ed off again. wow, talk about tactless
[16:00] <kbmonkey> sorry. they upset me >_>
[16:01] <Kilos> lol
[16:03] <tumbleweed> well, they bought sun, and that included openoffice. I don't know if they wanted it (and were upset by LO) or not, but AFAIK most of the people the had working on it have been laid off.
[16:04] <kbmonkey> I guess in the big business, there will always be casualties :)
[16:04] <kbmonkey> glad I got out of the big business environment, I wouldn't want to live like that. 
[16:05] <kbmonkey> gimme a farm to grow my own electrons and shell scripts and I'm happy
[16:14] <Kilos> uh oh jan crashed
[16:15] <Kilos> hi Kerbero 
[16:49] <tumbleweed> 18:48 < jono> folks, Mark Shuttleworth is doing a quick Q+A in #ubuntu-classroom on Freenode - ask questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat - go and ask him your questions!
[16:54] <Kilos> you arent there tumbleweed 
[16:54] <Kilos> is mark - jono
[16:55] <nlsthzn> ?
[16:56] <marcog> Kilos: mark is sabdfl
[16:56] <Kilos> ah ty marcog 
[16:56] <Kilos> nlsthzn, ^^
[16:56] <marcog> self-appointed benevolent dictator for life
[16:57] <nlsthzn> Jono is the community manager and Mark is the top dog :)
[16:58] <Kilos> can one ask there if the nexy release can be more 3g modem friendly
[16:58] <Kilos> or if usb-modeswitch can be incorporated on the cd
[16:58] <tumbleweed> that's not the kind of question that he could usefully answer
[16:59] <Kilos> oh ty
[16:59] <tumbleweed> talk to Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre if you are interested in such things
[17:01] <marcog> that was pretty short and he didn't really say much
[17:01] <tumbleweed> yup
[17:02] <nlsthzn> sucks I missed it...
[17:02] <Kilos> lol
[17:04] <tumbleweed> there are logs
[17:04] <tumbleweed> he's also talking at debconf next week, if you want to catch the live video
[17:06] <Kilos> tumbleweed, where do i contact Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre
[17:06] <Kilos> im sure we lost quite a few peeps because of 3g not working
[17:07] <tumbleweed> it works beautifully, just not out the box :/
[17:07] <tumbleweed> (I'm on 3g now)
[17:07] <tumbleweed> Kilos: some googling should turn up his e-mail address / irc nick
[17:07] <Kilos> yes so am i but a newbie gives up if he cant get connected
[17:08] <tumbleweed> as I understand it, usb-modeswitch is expected to go away at some point
[17:09] <tumbleweed> (superseded by something else, just can't remember what)
[17:10] <Kilos> as long as it is installed with the basic ubuntu then its fine
[17:10] <tumbleweed> cheers
[17:11] <Kilos> cheers
[17:33] <Kilos> eish voda sucking again tonight
[17:34] <Kilos> 1 bar connection
[17:50] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[17:50]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[17:54] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[17:54] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[17:54] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[18:24] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight. see ya morrow
[19:02] <Langjan> Seems like the way to go is to accept and adapt to libre office or to use abiword. No use kicking against the spines ((is dit reg vir skop teen die dorings?) 
[20:43] <Symmetria> lol
[20:43] <Symmetria> someone found a bug in apple batteries that could potentially let a hacker remotely blow them up
[20:43] <Symmetria> thats pretty funny
[20:44] <Symmetria> and it could be more than just apple notebooks
[20:44] <highvoltage> Symmetria: link pls!
[20:46] <Symmetria> http://blogs.forbes.com/andygreenberg/2011/07/22/apple-laptops-vulnerable-to-hack-that-kills-or-corrupts-batteries/
[20:46] <Symmetria> heh basically you can take over the firmware of the chip that controls the battery
[20:47] <Symmetria> and once you have that, lol, you could do some interesting crap
[20:48] <Symmetria> you gotta wonder though if they can do that to apples how many others can they do it to, my bet, a lot of them