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| stephenthemartyr | hi i really need some help | 04:11 |
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| naptastic | Has anyone here tried compiling the new -rt kernel? (3.0.0-rc7-rt1) | 04:11 |
| holstein | naptastic: im still using the old one | 04:12 |
| stephenthemartyr | i have a dual boot with windows xp/ubuntu studio and there was a graphics crash and i have no idea why and now when i run jackaudio and hydrogen drums it eats my cpu and has x-runs | 04:12 |
| holstein | the question is, how it the RT capabilities on the stock 3.0 kernel :) | 04:12 |
| stephenthemartyr | even though it was fine before | 04:12 |
| holstein | how are the * | 04:12 |
| ubuntudude | is their a ubuntu studio wubi? | 04:12 |
| holstein | ubuntudude: you can, i would suggest just doing the normal buntu | 04:13 |
| holstein | and adding what you want | 04:13 |
| holstein | open a package manager and search ubuntustudio, and read about the metapackages, or | 04:13 |
| holstein | !vanilla | 04:13 |
| ubottu | To install Ubuntu Studio on top of a vanilla Ubuntu install, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/Installation | 04:13 |
| naptastic | holstein, that's a good question; I've actually been using 2.6.37-bfs since Con patched it, and it performs basically as well as I could ask for... | 04:13 |
| holstein | naptastic: thats awesome... im ready for it :) | 04:13 |
| naptastic | holstein, yeah, 3.0.0+bfs is gonna be friggin' awesome. | 04:14 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: i would make sure you are booting the same kernel | 04:14 |
| stephenthemartyr | what dop you mean | 04:14 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: the kernel you are booting? | 04:14 |
| stephenthemartyr | im a novice, | 04:14 |
| stephenthemartyr | no im not booting | 04:14 |
| naptastic | holstein, but for my audio stuff, I just compile the whole audio stack myself... (JACK, lv2, ardour...) | 04:14 |
| holstein | maybe you updated, and the kernel order got changed | 04:14 |
| stephenthemartyr | i dont think haha | 04:14 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: dont think... make sure... in a terminal run | 04:15 |
| holstein | uname -a | 04:15 |
| stephenthemartyr | ok sorry | 04:15 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: you did *not* do any upgrades? | 04:16 |
| stephenthemartyr | Linux ubuntu 2.6.32-33-generic #70-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jul 7 21:09:46 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux <holstein> | 04:16 |
| holstein | if i were you, i would run system upgrades, and reboot | 04:16 |
| holstein | then, i would consider trying an RT kernel, or relaxing the JACK settings | 04:16 |
| stephenthemartyr | how do i do thaT?why do i need to reboot what abouit my music i have will i lose it? | 04:16 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: what music? | 04:17 |
| holstein | you mean files? | 04:17 |
| holstein | you dont lose any files from rebooting | 04:17 |
| stephenthemartyr | but jack was working fine before the graphics thing went down | 04:17 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: im proposing this... | 04:17 |
| stephenthemartyr | although only difference i see as far as graphics is the neato screen savers are not working | 04:17 |
| holstein | you upgraded the box... you were running an realtime kernel, and you got the latest -generic kernel which got put in front of the -RT one | 04:18 |
| stephenthemartyr | yes files,i apologize<holstein> | 04:18 |
| holstein | i think whatever graphics crash is irrelavant | 04:18 |
| stephenthemartyr | ok | 04:18 |
| holstein | irrelevant* | 04:18 |
| stephenthemartyr | can you explain what i should do? | 04:19 |
| holstein | sure... | 04:19 |
| holstein | if i were you, i would run the system upgrades | 04:19 |
| stephenthemartyr | thanks your very nice | 04:19 |
| holstein | then, i would try a realtime kernel | 04:19 |
| holstein | OR try relaxing the JACK settings | 04:19 |
| stephenthemartyr | and how do i that,yea but i dont understand why it was working perfect last nite and now its not | 04:20 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: thats the past | 04:20 |
| holstein | thats over now | 04:20 |
| stephenthemartyr | hahah | 04:20 |
| holstein | you nor i have any idea what happened | 04:20 |
| holstein | so move on... | 04:20 |
| holstein | in a terminal | 04:20 |
| holstein | sudo apt-get update | 04:20 |
| holstein | then | 04:20 |
| holstein | sudo apt-get upgrade | 04:20 |
| holstein | should be no errors... | 04:20 |
| holstein | report if any | 04:20 |
| holstein | after that is finished, reboot, and test, then... | 04:21 |
| stephenthemartyr | update went normal,upgrade says "ephen@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded." | 04:22 |
| stephenthemartyr | isthat good? | 04:22 |
| ubuntudude | if their is a Ubuntu Studio Wubi ca I have link? | 04:22 |
| stephenthemartyr | what is a wubi? | 04:23 |
| holstein | ubuntudude: i'll look, but strongly consider the other route | 04:23 |
| ubuntudude | ok | 04:23 |
| stephenthemartyr | <holstein>so i restart my comp? | 04:23 |
| holstein | ubuntudude: actually, i dont see one, so thats the deal | 04:24 |
| ubuntudude | That stinks...... | 04:24 |
| holstein | if you want a wubi, you install vanilla, and upgrade | 04:24 |
| holstein | ubuntudude: ubuntu = ubuntustudio | 04:24 |
| holstein | SO, you can just add what you wan | 04:24 |
| holstein | want* | 04:24 |
| ubuntudude | Link for vannilia please? | 04:24 |
| holstein | http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/windows-installer | 04:25 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: no need to restart | 04:25 |
| stephenthemartyr | how do i reboot as you said | 04:26 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: no need to reboot | 04:26 |
| stephenthemartyr | oh | 04:26 |
| stephenthemartyr | um what was the next step? | 04:26 |
| holstein | if i were you , i would try a differnt kernel | 04:26 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: in the terminal | 04:26 |
| holstein | sudo apt-get install linux-rt | 04:26 |
| stephenthemartyr | that wont mess my computer up right? | 04:27 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: feel free to research any command anyone, including me, asks you to paste in | 04:27 |
| holstein | sudo, is to get root privlages | 04:27 |
| stephenthemartyr | i thought i read warnings ABOUT using it | 04:28 |
| holstein | apt-get is for package management | 04:28 |
| stephenthemartyr | sorry i meant no offense | 04:28 |
| holstein | install is just that | 04:28 |
| stephenthemartyr | if i was rude i apologize | 04:28 |
| holstein | linux-rt is the realtime kernel that *should* give you lowerlatency | 04:28 |
| holstein | its not trivial though | 04:28 |
| holstein | you dont just install it | 04:28 |
| holstein | you need to boot into that kernel | 04:28 |
| holstein | after installing it | 04:28 |
| stephenthemartyr | how does that happen | 04:29 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: no worries, im quite serious... dont just copy and paste, google the commands at least | 04:29 |
| holstein | you want to know whats going on before running the commands | 04:29 |
| stephenthemartyr | your right | 04:29 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: when you boot the machine, you see grub right? | 04:30 |
| holstein | you can choose windows or whatever? | 04:30 |
| holstein | several lines for ubuntu and windows right? | 04:30 |
| stephenthemartyr | what is the grub? | 04:31 |
| holstein | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 | 04:32 |
| holstein | the boot loader | 04:32 |
| holstein | you should see a black screen where you choose between ubuntu or windows right? | 04:32 |
| holstein | anyways... when you install that package | 04:34 |
| holstein | sudo apt-get install linux-rt | 04:34 |
| holstein | that *should* install a realtime kernel which would be the next thing to try | 04:34 |
| holstein | when you reboot the box, where you hopefully see a choice between linux and windows, you'll see something about a 2.6.31-11-rt kernel | 04:36 |
| holstein | you want to try booting it, and see if the xruns are better, and if anything else is negatively effected | 04:36 |
| stephenthemartyr | ok and what was the graphics x crash thing?ever heard of that | 04:37 |
| holstein | sure, but i dont have enough information to go on | 04:38 |
| holstein | that graphics crash, and the xruns seem unrelated to me | 04:38 |
| holstein | i think something else happened, and it just seems that way | 04:38 |
| stephenthemartyr | right yes black screen | 04:39 |
| stephenthemartyr | its instralling now | 04:40 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: you are up to date with upgrades, which means, you have upgraded recently | 04:41 |
| stephenthemartyr | i googled it but i came to a forum where people were talking about stuff i had no iodea what it meant,that happens alot sadsad | 04:41 |
| holstein | and that upgrade likely broke something | 04:41 |
| holstein | could have broken your graphics, and JACK | 04:41 |
| stephenthemartyr | aww crap | 04:41 |
| stephenthemartyr | how do i find out if it did | 04:41 |
| holstein | i know you did | 04:41 |
| holstein | you didnt have any packages to update just then | 04:42 |
| holstein | thats means you are up to date, and just upgraded | 04:42 |
| stephenthemartyr | when?the update manager earlier came up and i hit install | 04:42 |
| holstein | that would do it | 04:42 |
| stephenthemartyr | why would the updatemanager let me update and break somin? | 04:43 |
| holstein | ? | 04:43 |
| holstein | its an update | 04:43 |
| holstein | they sometimes break things | 04:43 |
| stephenthemartyr | ok | 04:43 |
| holstein | everyone has different hardware | 04:43 |
| holstein | this is the same for *any* OS | 04:43 |
| stephenthemartyr | so i should reboot into the realtime kernel yea? | 04:43 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: i would try that | 04:43 |
| stephenthemartyr | will you be here for a bit incase it doesnt work? | 04:44 |
| holstein | should be | 04:44 |
| stephenthemartyr | and if it did go into "lowgraphics mode | 04:44 |
| stephenthemartyr | "can i fix that | 04:44 |
| holstein | see, i think you broke a lot with an update | 04:44 |
| holstein | what graphics card? | 04:45 |
| holstein | nvidia? | 04:45 |
| stephenthemartyr | dont know,what copmmand would tell me/ | 04:45 |
| stephenthemartyr | ? | 04:45 |
| holstein | if you have an nvidia proprietary driver, that kernel wont work | 04:45 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: try in the GUI | 04:45 |
| stephenthemartyr | i dont know | 04:45 |
| stephenthemartyr | what kind | 04:45 |
| holstein | where ever you feel comfortable | 04:45 |
| holstein | system information? | 04:45 |
| holstein | something like that | 04:45 |
| holstein | i would run lspci in terminal... | 04:45 |
| stephenthemartyr | 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS, 943/940GML and 945GT Express Memory Controller Hub (rev 03) 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) | 04:47 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: ah | 04:47 |
| stephenthemartyr | so my graphics card is | 04:47 |
| holstein | we dont paste that here like that, you use http://paste.ubuntu.com/ | 04:47 |
| stephenthemartyr | ... | 04:47 |
| holstein | you'll get droped for flooding by the server | 04:48 |
| stephenthemartyr | sorry | 04:48 |
| holstein | no worries :) | 04:48 |
| holstein | thats intel, which is usually well supported | 04:48 |
| holstein | and you can try the RT kernel with it | 04:48 |
| stephenthemartyr | will it just go back to "normal" graphics? | 04:49 |
| holstein | lets do that... and assume all the trouble is with the current kernel version | 04:49 |
| stephenthemartyr | haha i know nothing | 04:49 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: you just mentioned that | 04:49 |
| holstein | i was not aware that you were in some safe graphics mode | 04:49 |
| holstein | it might though | 04:49 |
| stephenthemartyr | i dont know if i am or not | 04:50 |
| stephenthemartyr | im confused | 04:50 |
| holstein | IF the kernel version is the issue, and thats likely | 04:50 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: just reboot, and see if you see that kernel, and try it | 04:50 |
| stephenthemartyr | ok ill go check,thanks sososososososo much! | 04:50 |
| holstein | and we | 04:50 |
| holstein | 'll go from there | 04:50 |
| stephenthemartyr | thank you | 04:50 |
| holstein | sure | 04:50 |
| stephenthemartyr | i owe yuou bigtime | 04:50 |
| holstein | nah... we havnet sorted it out yet | 04:50 |
| holstein | BUT we will | 04:51 |
| stephenthemartyr | cool ill be back | 04:51 |
| stephenthemartyr | thanks | 04:51 |
| stephenthemartyr | sadsad | 05:14 |
| stephenthemartyr | it said no device mounted when i picked the realtime kernel | 05:14 |
| holstein | it? | 05:15 |
| holstein | what said what? | 05:15 |
| stephenthemartyr | the comp went to a black screen that said that | 05:15 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: did you see another kernel? | 05:15 |
| stephenthemartyr | yes | 05:15 |
| holstein | another -generic one | 05:15 |
| stephenthemartyr | i picked it | 05:15 |
| holstein | OK... and? | 05:15 |
| stephenthemartyr | oh i thought i was to pick the rt one | 05:15 |
| stephenthemartyr | no? | 05:15 |
| holstein | right, but thats not the last one that worked | 05:16 |
| holstein | there should be another one in there that you used to use | 05:16 |
| holstein | is that what you are in now? | 05:16 |
| holstein | uname -a | 05:16 |
| stephenthemartyr | no regular one | 05:17 |
| stephenthemartyr | \same as before | 05:17 |
| holstein | OK | 05:17 |
| holstein | so when you reboot, you have windows, the RT kernel, and only the one -generic kernel? | 05:17 |
| holstein | no other -generic kernel option? | 05:17 |
| stephenthemartyr | there may have been another,i i just thought i was to pick the rt | 05:18 |
| stephenthemartyr | so pick the other generic | 05:18 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: try that real quick | 05:18 |
| stephenthemartyr | ok | 05:18 |
| holstein | you should see the current one you are using | 05:18 |
| holstein | and some older one | 05:18 |
| holstein | and the -rt one is probably near the bottom of the list | 05:18 |
| stephenthemartyr | so the older one i pick? | 05:18 |
| holstein | right | 05:18 |
| stephenthemartyr | ok | 05:18 |
| holstein | try that, see if all is well | 05:18 |
| stephenthemartyr | thanks | 05:18 |
| holstein | ? | 05:28 |
| stephenthemartyr | hey man,it looks like there are 2 other generics | 05:28 |
| holstein | cool, are you trying one now? | 05:28 |
| stephenthemartyr | i think so but same thiong with xruns | 05:28 |
| stephenthemartyr | 2.6.32-21-generic | 05:29 |
| holstein | how about the graphics? | 05:29 |
| holstein | seem better? | 05:29 |
| stephenthemartyr | thats not the same right | 05:29 |
| stephenthemartyr | no | 05:29 |
| holstein | hmmm | 05:29 |
| stephenthemartyr | same jackaudio problem | 05:29 |
| stephenthemartyr | man its sad cuz ive been having problems for a few weeks,this is actually a new faster computer | 05:29 |
| stephenthemartyr | i used to have lucid on an old one and this one worked great | 05:30 |
| stephenthemartyr | now | 05:30 |
| holstein | this is lucid | 05:30 |
| holstein | right? | 05:30 |
| stephenthemartyr | should i try the other generic one? | 05:30 |
| holstein | thats the lucid kernel | 05:30 |
| stephenthemartyr | but not ubuntu studio before i mean | 05:30 |
| stephenthemartyr | oh | 05:30 |
| holstein | ubuntu = ubuntustudio | 05:31 |
| holstein | thats lucid ubuntustudio | 05:31 |
| holstein | 10.04 | 05:31 |
| stephenthemartyr | can i unupdate it | 05:31 |
| stephenthemartyr | right im saying on my old computer | 05:31 |
| stephenthemartyr | any thoughts on next steps? | 05:31 |
| holstein | theres a history | 05:31 |
| holstein | if you open synatpic pacakge manager | 05:32 |
| holstein | go to file - history | 05:32 |
| holstein | there you can see what got upgraded last | 05:32 |
| holstein | probably something got broken | 05:32 |
| holstein | i use 10.04 with KXstudio ppa's added | 05:33 |
| holstein | http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/KXStudio:Repositories | 05:33 |
| stephenthemartyr | yea i have that as well so i could get the .9.5 version of hydrogen | 05:33 |
| stephenthemartyr | yea im there in synaptic | 05:34 |
| holstein | hydrogen wont have broken JACK though | 05:34 |
| stephenthemartyr | i know the last update was a bunch of studd should i list them? | 05:34 |
| holstein | i wont be able to tell | 05:35 |
| holstein | you can literally go in and step each one down | 05:35 |
| holstein | OR, go for the likely ones | 05:35 |
| holstein | if i were you, i would try live CD's and try and pinpoint what the issue is | 05:35 |
| stephenthemartyr | what is live cd and how do i do that | 05:36 |
| holstein | nevermind | 05:36 |
| holstein | choose something within the scope of your comfort level | 05:36 |
| stephenthemartyr | you mean reboot the whole thing? | 05:36 |
| holstein | if thats reisntalling, do that | 05:36 |
| stephenthemartyr | i dont have a comfort level,i want to fix it so i can record | 05:37 |
| holstein | if you say lucid worked great, install that | 05:37 |
| stephenthemartyr | i like studio better tho | 05:37 |
| holstein | KXstudio has a live CD | 05:37 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: ubuntu = ubuntustudio | 05:37 |
| stephenthemartyr | yea but ubuntustudio is different then lucid it serems | 05:38 |
| holstein | you would think so | 05:38 |
| holstein | but actually, its not | 05:38 |
| holstein | lucid is just the release # | 05:38 |
| holstein | 10.04 is code named lucid | 05:38 |
| stephenthemartyr | id rather not reinstall,if i downgrade the things in synaptic should i go back to the original kernel? | 05:38 |
| holstein | ubuntustudio 10.04 = ubuntu 10.04 | 05:38 |
| holstein | with just a few tweaks here and there, and extra pacakges | 05:38 |
| holstein | but the same repositories | 05:38 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: you've already tried kernels | 05:39 |
| holstein | so, you can stop with that | 05:39 |
| holstein | its going to be a JACK update maybe | 05:39 |
| holstein | im not sure... i thought this was a box that had worked well for a long time | 05:39 |
| stephenthemartyr | yes but you said i could downgrade the items from my last upgrade | 05:39 |
| stephenthemartyr | ok | 05:39 |
| holstein | i would try running JACK as root for troubleshooting purposes | 05:40 |
| holstein | also, try something other than hydrogen | 05:40 |
| holstein | try any other JACK application | 05:40 |
| holstein | something like ardour | 05:40 |
| holstein | ardour has great JACK support | 05:40 |
| holstein | H2, not so much... | 05:40 |
| stephenthemartyr | ok so i should stay in whatever kerne;l iam in? | 05:40 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: yes | 05:41 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: has JACK *ever* been stable on this box? | 05:41 |
| stephenthemartyr | yesd | 05:41 |
| holstein | when? and how? | 05:41 |
| holstein | what verion of JACK? | 05:41 |
| holstein | these are the questions you'll need to answer | 05:41 |
| stephenthemartyr | last night and earlier today | 05:41 |
| stephenthemartyr | jack1 | 05:42 |
| holstein | OK | 05:42 |
| stephenthemartyr | it was working fine | 05:42 |
| holstein | you can get JACK from that PPA i listed | 05:42 |
| holstein | JACK2 | 05:42 |
| stephenthemartyr | what good will that do? | 05:42 |
| holstein | http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/KXStudio:Repositories | 05:42 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: well, it could potentially give you non-broken pacakges | 05:43 |
| holstein | assuming thats whats up | 05:43 |
| holstein | i dont think you want to move backwards | 05:43 |
| stephenthemartyr | oh so which rep. should i add to my software sources? | 05:43 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: i would carefully read all of http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/KXStudio:Repositories | 05:43 |
| holstein | maybe a few times | 05:43 |
| holstein | then, if you still dont know, ask me, or the folks in #opensourcemusicians | 05:44 |
| holstein | OR #kxstudio | 05:44 |
| stephenthemartyr | would a hydrogen update with a "fixed 1" break things? | 05:44 |
| holstein | i can tell you the ones i use | 05:44 |
| stephenthemartyr | ok | 05:44 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: sure | 05:44 |
| holstein | where did you get it? | 05:44 |
| stephenthemartyr | from my last update | 05:44 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: if i were you, i would check out how to remove and purge PPA's just in case, and i would try the kxstudio PPA's | 05:45 |
| stephenthemartyr | i have their music one | 05:45 |
| holstein | i use the main repo and the kernel one | 05:46 |
| stephenthemartyr | aahhh the ppa puge thing ,i tried that for like a week and got no where c`uz it made no sense | 05:46 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: purge? | 05:46 |
| stephenthemartyr | im not trying to be difficult | 05:46 |
| holstein | what made no sense? | 05:47 |
| stephenthemartyr | purge ppa thing | 05:47 |
| stephenthemartyr | how to do it | 05:47 |
| holstein | what thing? | 05:47 |
| stephenthemartyr | purge a ppa | 05:47 |
| stephenthemartyr | that | 05:47 |
| holstein | http://bigbrovar.aoizora.org/index.php/2010/01/10/how-to-safely-remove-ppa-repository-from-ubuntu/ | 05:47 |
| stephenthemartyr | i have to download some software called ppa purge right? | 05:47 |
| holstein | you should have it | 05:48 |
| stephenthemartyr | ok yea thats the site,ill try it from the terminal | 05:49 |
| stephenthemartyr | how do i ion synaptic downgrade hydrogen to the last version i had | 05:49 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: you can do that in synaptic | 05:50 |
| stephenthemartyr | how | 05:50 |
| holstein | open synaptic | 05:50 |
| holstein | search for hydrogen | 05:50 |
| holstein | you should be able to click on hydrogen and hit control+E | 05:52 |
| stephenthemartyr | it only shows .9.4 but it was just upgraded from .9.5.2 to .9.5.3?? | 05:52 |
| holstein | it? | 05:52 |
| stephenthemartyr | where is the old one its not listed | 05:52 |
| stephenthemartyr | the version that i had right before the last update | 05:52 |
| holstein | you should see a drop down where you can choose to force an older version | 05:52 |
| holstein | if control+E doesnt work, you can find 'force' under the 'package' menu | 05:53 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: alright... im out | 05:53 |
| holstein | its going to get quiet | 05:53 |
| stephenthemartyr | yea i went there but it had only the two versions,yet my history | 05:53 |
| stephenthemartyr | ok | 05:53 |
| holstein | feel free to try #opensourcemusicians | 05:54 |
| stephenthemartyr | ok | 05:54 |
| stephenthemartyr | this sucls | 05:54 |
| stephenthemartyr | thanks | 05:54 |
| stephenthemartyr | have a good one | 05:54 |
| holstein | try kxstudio live | 05:54 |
| stephenthemartyr | ok | 05:54 |
| stephenthemartyr | thanks | 05:54 |
| holstein | maybe you would benifit from a more 'out of the box' system | 05:54 |
| stephenthemartyr | i dont know what that is | 05:54 |
| holstein | like, everything works out of the box | 05:54 |
| holstein | you might have tricky hardware though | 05:55 |
| stephenthemartyr | where would that be cuz it seems like ubuntu always breaks | 05:55 |
| holstein | well, your hardware support breaks* | 05:55 |
| holstein | ubuntu is just fine | 05:55 |
| holstein | its just broken for you on your hardware | 05:55 |
| holstein | and im not sure why | 05:56 |
| holstein | anyways... check out #kxstudio and kxstudio live | 05:56 |
| stephenthemartyr | hmmmmm | 05:57 |
| holstein | we | 05:57 |
| holstein | 're not sure you have a graphics problem | 05:57 |
| holstein | you had some sort of crash | 05:57 |
| holstein | this is an internal sound card, so you should expect stellar performance | 05:58 |
| holstein | anyways... im out... we'll get you sorted somehow or other... GN | 05:58 |
| stephenthemartyr | yea | 05:59 |
| stephenthemartyr | thanks dude | 05:59 |
| Jordi_ | Can someone help me with a problem with JACK? | 08:59 |
| Jordi_ | 10:59:31.732 Patchbay deactivated. 10:59:31.738 Statistics reset. 10:59:31.772 ALSA connection change. Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory Cannot connect to server socket jack server is not running or cannot be started 10:59:31.779 ALSA connection graph change. | 09:00 |
| AutoStatic | Hello Jordi_ | 09:00 |
| Jordi_ | hello | 09:00 |
| AutoStatic | Jordi_: that's a default QjackCtl message afaik | 09:01 |
| Jordi_ | yes i've got a new message now i've connected my usb interface | 09:02 |
| Jordi_ | but it's so long it's probably hard to read it here so I'm selecting a couple of importet lines | 09:02 |
| Jordi_ | important* | 09:02 |
| Jordi_ | ALSA: Cannot open PCM device alsa_pcm for playback. Falling back to capture-only mode Cannot initialize driver | 09:03 |
| Jordi_ | I installed the ALSA driver for my external soundcard (Tascam US-122L) | 09:04 |
| AutoStatic | Something else has your soundcard | 09:04 |
| AutoStatic | locked | 09:04 |
| Jordi_ | I am in the audio group | 09:04 |
| AutoStatic | What are your JACK settings? Are you using QjackCtl? | 09:04 |
| Jordi_ | yes | 09:04 |
| Jordi_ | I can't send a screenshot here, can I? | 09:04 |
| AutoStatic | No, but you could patebin it | 09:05 |
| AutoStatic | pastebin | 09:05 |
| AutoStatic | http://paste.ubuntu.com/ | 09:05 |
| AutoStatic | for example | 09:05 |
| AutoStatic | Ah that one doesn't accept images, my bad | 09:06 |
| Jordi_ | ok, here it comes then: | 09:06 |
| Jordi_ | realtime turned on | 09:06 |
| Jordi_ | priority default | 09:06 |
| Jordi_ | no memory lock | 09:06 |
| Jordi_ | frames/period 512 | 09:06 |
| Jordi_ | unlock memory turned off as well | 09:07 |
| Jordi_ | sample rate 44100 | 09:07 |
| Jordi_ | soft mode turned off, periods/buffer 2 | 09:07 |
| Jordi_ | monitor turned off | 09:07 |
| Jordi_ | force 16bit turned off | 09:07 |
| Jordi_ | h/w monitor unticked | 09:07 |
| Jordi_ | h/w meter unchecked as well | 09:08 |
| Jordi_ | ignore h/w unchecked | 09:08 |
| Jordi_ | port maximum 512 | 09:08 |
| Jordi_ | verbose messages off | 09:08 |
| Jordi_ | timeout 500 msec | 09:08 |
| AutoStatic | That's all well | 09:08 |
| Jordi_ | interface hw:1 (which is my Tascam) | 09:08 |
| Jordi_ | dither none | 09:08 |
| AutoStatic | Except for the periods setting, that shoudl be 3 | 09:08 |
| Jordi_ | audio duplex | 09:08 |
| Jordi_ | frames/period = 3? | 09:09 |
| AutoStatic | The Tascam US122L is kinda finicky to set up | 09:09 |
| AutoStatic | Yup | 09:09 |
| AutoStatic | No periods/buffer 3 | 09:09 |
| Jordi_ | ok | 09:09 |
| AutoStatic | frames/periods 512 is ok | 09:09 |
| Jordi_ | ok i'll continue | 09:10 |
| Jordi_ | audio duplex | 09:10 |
| Jordi_ | rest on that side = default | 09:10 |
| AutoStatic | Yeah, should be ok. | 09:10 |
| AutoStatic | What's the output of the terminal command 'cat /proc/asound/cards' (without the quotes) ? | 09:11 |
| Jordi_ | i once did that | 09:11 |
| Jordi_ | 0 was the internal soundcard | 09:11 |
| Jordi_ | 1 was my tascam | 09:11 |
| Jordi_ | but i'll try again | 09:11 |
| Jordi_ | 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel HDA Intel at 0xb4400000 irq 43 1 [US122L ]: USB US-122L - TASCAM US-122L TASCAM US-122L (644:800e if 0 at 002/003) | 09:12 |
| AutoStatic | Good, so LASA has named it US122L | 09:12 |
| AutoStatic | ALSA | 09:12 |
| AutoStatic | So in the interfaces field of QjackCtl you could also enter 'hw:US122L' manually, this way Jack will always use the correct card, just FYI ;) | 09:13 |
| Jordi_ | ok, i've just done that | 09:14 |
| AutoStatic | Everything else (application wise) that could generate sound is turned off | 09:14 |
| AutoStatic | ? | 09:14 |
| Jordi_ | no firefox is still on and can generate sound, but there's no sound coming from it right now | 09:14 |
| Jordi_ | haven't started youtube or anything like that | 09:14 |
| AutoStatic | Ah, then could you also close FF? | 09:14 |
| Jordi_ | yes but i'll login to this forum on my cell phone | 09:15 |
| AutoStatic | You're not using an IRC client? | 09:15 |
| Jordi_ | no not that I'm aware of | 09:15 |
| AutoStatic | How did you login this channel? Through a webpage? | 09:16 |
| Jordi_ | yes | 09:16 |
| AutoStatic | Ah ok | 09:16 |
| Jordi_ | should it work with pidgin? | 09:16 |
| AutoStatic | just a sec, let's check first if something is blocking your sound | 09:17 |
| Jordi_ | ok but it doesn't work on my phone and i have to stay on the chat I think | 09:18 |
| Jordi_ | i can install an IRC client | 09:18 |
| AutoStatic | Just check first what is blocking your sound with 'lsof | grep /dev/snd/pcm' | 09:19 |
| AutoStatic | What is the output of that terminal command? | 09:19 |
| Jordi_ | that's very weird | 09:19 |
| Jordi_ | no output | 09:19 |
| Jordi_ | does that mean everything should be fine? | 09:20 |
| AutoStatic | And 'lsof | grep /dev/snd' ? | 09:20 |
| Jordi_ | pulseaudi 1658 jordi 22u CHR 116,7 0t0 5963 /dev/snd/controlC0 pulseaudi 1658 jordi 29u CHR 116,7 0t0 5963 /dev/snd/controlC0 ^C | 09:20 |
| AutoStatic | Ok, so nothing is blocking it | 09:21 |
| AutoStatic | thanks | 09:21 |
| jordi__ | I'm back on an IRC client | 09:22 |
| AutoStatic | :) | 09:22 |
| AutoStatic | But FF is not blocking your soundcard | 09:22 |
| AutoStatic | Could you try starting JACK again? | 09:23 |
| jordi__ | just did | 09:23 |
| jordi__ | should i paste the output in pastebin? | 09:23 |
| AutoStatic | Yeah, that's ok | 09:23 |
| jordi__ | http://pastebin.com/jc3zJ5vq | 09:24 |
| AutoStatic | Ah: ALSA: Cannot open PCM device alsa_pcm for playback. Falling back to capture-only mode | 09:24 |
| AutoStatic | What is the output of lspci | grep USB ? | 09:25 |
| jordi__ | yes that's what i pasted earlier this conversation:P | 09:25 |
| jordi__ | let's see | 09:25 |
| AutoStatic | Yeah, I didn't read it correctly | 09:25 |
| AutoStatic | Oversaw it | 09:25 |
| jordi__ | 00:1a.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset USB2 Enhanced Host Controller (rev 05) | 09:25 |
| jordi__ | 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset USB2 Enhanced Host Controller (rev 05) | 09:25 |
| AutoStatic | Ouch | 09:25 |
| AutoStatic | This is a problematic USB controller | 09:26 |
| AutoStatic | You probably can't use full-duplex with it | 09:26 |
| AutoStatic | (so capture and playback at once) | 09:26 |
| jordi__ | ok | 09:26 |
| AutoStatic | Are you on a desktop or a notebook? | 09:26 |
| jordi__ | it does work on windows | 09:27 |
| jordi__ | notebook | 09:27 |
| AutoStatic | That's probably because the Windows driver works around this issue | 09:27 |
| jordi__ | same error lines as far as i can see | 09:27 |
| AutoStatic | What is the output of lsusb ? | 09:28 |
| jordi__ | Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0644:800e TEAC Corp. TASCAM US-122L | 09:28 |
| jordi__ | Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0020 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub | 09:28 |
| jordi__ | Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub | 09:28 |
| jordi__ | Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0bda:5801 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. | 09:28 |
| jordi__ | Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0020 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub | 09:28 |
| jordi__ | Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub | 09:28 |
| AutoStatic | Yeah, that Integrated Rate Matchin hub thing | 09:28 |
| AutoStatic | that could be the bottleneck too | 09:28 |
| jordi__ | is it very hard to fix? | 09:29 |
| AutoStatic | Afaik the only fix is to get yourself a USB2 PCIe ExpressCard | 09:29 |
| AutoStatic | But could you try to run JACK with capture or playback only? | 09:30 |
| jordi__ | 11:27:22.025 JACK is starting... | 09:31 |
| jordi__ | 11:27:22.026 /usr/bin/jackd -p512 -dalsa -dhw:US122L -r44100 -p512 -n3 -P | 09:31 |
| jordi__ | Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory | 09:31 |
| jordi__ | Cannot connect to server socket | 09:31 |
| jordi__ | jack server is not running or cannot be started | 09:31 |
| jordi__ | 11:27:22.046 JACK was started with PID=4805. | 09:31 |
| jordi__ | no message buffer overruns | 09:31 |
| jordi__ | no message buffer overruns | 09:31 |
| jordi__ | jackdmp 1.9.7 | 09:31 |
| jordi__ | Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. | 09:31 |
| jordi__ | Copyright 2004-2010 Grame. | 09:31 |
| jordi__ | jackdmp comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY | 09:31 |
| jordi__ | This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it | 09:31 |
| jordi__ | under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details | 09:31 |
| jordi__ | JACK server starting in realtime mode with priority 10 | 09:31 |
| jordi__ | audio_reservation_init | 09:31 |
| jordi__ | Acquire audio card Audio1 | 09:31 |
| jordi__ | creating alsa driver ... hw:US122L|-|512|3|44100|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit | 09:31 |
| jordi__ | Using ALSA driver USB US-122L running on card 1 - TASCAM US-122L (644:800e if 0 at 002/003) | 09:31 |
| jordi__ | ALSA: Cannot open PCM device alsa_pcm for playback. Falling back to capture-only mode | 09:31 |
| jordi__ | Cannot initialize driver | 09:31 |
| jordi__ | JackServer::Open() failed with -1 | 09:31 |
| jordi__ | Failed to start server | 09:31 |
| jordi__ | 11:27:22.184 JACK was stopped with exit status=255. | 09:31 |
| jordi__ | 11:27:24.196 Could not connect to JACK server as client. - Overall operation failed. - Unable to connect to server. Please check the messages window for more info. | 09:31 |
| jordi__ | Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory | 09:32 |
| jordi__ | Cannot connect to server socket | 09:32 |
| jordi__ | jack server is not running or cannot be started | 09:32 |
| jordi__ | what does the ExpressCard cost | 09:32 |
| AutoStatic | Less than €20,-: http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/161615/sweex-2-port-usb-20-pc-card.html | 09:34 |
| AutoStatic | Do you have access to another USB soundcard? Just to make sure that it'sthe USB hub/host controller and not the Tascam soundcard | 09:35 |
| jordi__ | are you dutch as well? | 09:36 |
| jordi__ | no i don't | 09:36 |
| AutoStatic | Jazeker :) | 09:36 |
| jordi__ | oh :P | 09:36 |
| AutoStatic | Or is it possible to try your Tascam on a different system, maybe with a LiveCD? | 09:36 |
| jordi__ | windows | 09:37 |
| jordi__ | 7 | 09:37 |
| jordi__ | live cd zou ik kunnen proberen | 09:37 |
| jordi__ | als ik m nog ergens kan vinden | 09:37 |
| AutoStatic | He he :) | 09:37 |
| AutoStatic | Waar is die LiveCD als je 'm nodig hebt | 09:37 |
| jordi__ | maar ik denk niet dat het wel met de livecd werkt | 09:38 |
| AutoStatic | Waar zit je ergens in NL? | 09:38 |
| jordi__ | breda | 09:38 |
| AutoStatic | Bedoel andere computer | 09:39 |
| AutoStatic | Je zou het op een andere computer kunnen proberen | 09:39 |
| AutoStatic | Met een LiveCD eventueel | 09:39 |
| jordi__ | ja maar er zijn sowieso mensen die dat ding werkend hebben met jack | 09:39 |
| AutoStatic | De Tascam US-122L wel | 09:40 |
| AutoStatic | Maar niet met die host controller / hub | 09:40 |
| AutoStatic | Heb hier pc's staan met die combi en dat werkt gewoon niet | 09:40 |
| jordi__ | maar dan zou het in principe wel op een andere pc werken | 09:40 |
| AutoStatic | Yup | 09:40 |
| jordi__ | ok | 09:40 |
| AutoStatic | En met een USB PCIe ExpressCard ook | 09:40 |
| jordi__ | maar dat zou voor mij niks uitmaken want mijn versterker, microfoon etc staan op mijn slaapkamer | 09:41 |
| jordi__ | dus als ik dan op een andere pc ga | 09:41 |
| jordi__ | desktop beneden bvb | 09:41 |
| jordi__ | dan heb ik niks om op te nemen in de buurt | 09:41 |
| AutoStatic | Nou, wil graag weten of die Tascam het doet onder Ubuntu | 09:41 |
| AutoStatic | Als je 'm op een andere PC aan de gang krijgt met Jack | 09:42 |
| AutoStatic | Dan ligt het écht aan die controller/hub combi | 09:42 |
| AutoStatic | En jaag je jezelf niet onnodig op kosten door zo'n ExpressCard aan te schaffen | 09:42 |
| jordi__ | ja | 09:42 |
| jordi__ | past dat wel in een laptop? | 09:43 |
| jordi__ | is dat een hub dan ofzo? | 09:43 |
| jordi__ | onee | 09:43 |
| AutoStatic | Heb je een PCIe ExpressCard slot op je notebook? | 09:43 |
| AutoStatic | Wat voor notebook heb je? | 09:43 |
| jordi__ | hp g62 | 09:43 |
| AutoStatic | oei, er zijn nagal wat verschillende G62's | 09:44 |
| AutoStatic | nogal | 09:45 |
| jordi__ | ik heb volgens mij de | 09:45 |
| jordi__ | e14 | 09:45 |
| jordi__ | nog iets | 09:45 |
| jordi__ | haha ik zal zelf eens zoeken | 09:45 |
| jordi__ | wow dat ding is 170 goedkoper geworden binnen een jaar | 09:46 |
| AutoStatic | g62-140us? | 09:47 |
| jordi__ | nee | 09:47 |
| jordi__ | er staat geen stikker op mijn laptop | 09:47 |
| jordi__ | maar er zat een 4 in | 09:47 |
| jordi__ | dat weet ik nog | 09:47 |
| jordi__ | en ed | 09:47 |
| AutoStatic | Staat onderop | 09:47 |
| AutoStatic | Onderop staat ergens het model/typenummer | 09:48 |
| jordi__ | nee volgens mij niet | 09:48 |
| jordi__ | op een sticker? | 09:48 |
| jordi__ | http://www.kieskeurig.nl/laptop/hp/g62-a14ed_ww008ea/949223/ | 09:51 |
| jordi__ | dat is m geloof i | 09:51 |
| jordi__ | k | 09:51 |
| AutoStatic | Bedankt. Geen slot voor PC cards :( | 09:51 |
| AutoStatic | Dus je kan er geen extra kaartje inschuiven | 09:52 |
| AutoStatic | Dus onder Ubuntu gaat de Tascam waarschijnlijk niet werken op je notebook, ja alleen playback of capture, maar niet full-duplex | 09:52 |
| jordi__ | oh daar was die platte open ruimte voor op mijn oude laptop? | 09:52 |
| AutoStatic | Ja | 09:52 |
| jordi__ | ok | 09:53 |
| jordi__ | dan ga ik wel op windows icm cubase | 09:53 |
| jordi__ | bedankt! | 09:53 |
| AutoStatic | Graag gedaan, wel jammer dat het waarschijnlijk niet gaat werken | 09:53 |
| jordi__ | is er misschien nog hoop voor een toekomstige versie van ubuntu die dit probleem omzeilt? | 09:53 |
| jordi__ | net als windows | 09:54 |
| AutoStatic | Geen idee eigenlijk, zal ik de mailwisselingen eens op na moeten slaan hierover | 09:54 |
| AutoStatic | Staat nl. los van Ubuntu, geluidsdrivers => ALSA | 09:55 |
| AutoStatic | (tenzij je FireWire gebruikt) | 09:55 |
| jordi__ | nee | 09:56 |
| jordi__ | maar wat was de naam van het onderdeel dat het probleem veroorzaakte? | 09:58 |
| AutoStatic | Je USB host controller: 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset USB2 Enhanced | 09:59 |
| AutoStatic | En de hub die tussen de controller en je USB poorten zit: Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0020 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub | 09:59 |
| AutoStatic | Vooral die laatste is de bottleneck waarschijnlijk | 10:00 |
| jordi__ | ok | 10:00 |
| jordi__ | bedankt | 10:00 |
| AutoStatic | Intel heeft buggy host controllers uitgebracht van de 5 Series/3400 Series | 10:00 |
| AutoStatic | Maar kans is klein denk ik dat die in je notebook zit | 10:01 |
| jordi__ | ok | 10:02 |
| jordi__ | ik ga weer | 10:02 |
| jordi__ | bedankt voor je hulp | 10:02 |
| AutoStatic | Graag gedaan :) | 10:02 |
| jordi__ | houdoe ;p | 10:02 |
| stephenthemartyr | i am having x-runs in jack audio even tho the latency is set at 1024 frames and i have the rt kernel,can anyoine help me? | 23:59 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: what audio device? | 23:59 |
| stephenthemartyr | also i had to boot into a different kernel because of some graphics crash | 23:59 |
| stephenthemartyr | intel | 23:59 |
| stephenthemartyr | ? | 23:59 |
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