=== orngjce223 is now known as Anyone === Anyone is now known as orngjce223 [04:11] hi i really need some help [04:11] Has anyone here tried compiling the new -rt kernel? (3.0.0-rc7-rt1) [04:12] naptastic: im still using the old one [04:12] i have a dual boot with windows xp/ubuntu studio and there was a graphics crash and i have no idea why and now when i run jackaudio and hydrogen drums it eats my cpu and has x-runs [04:12] the question is, how it the RT capabilities on the stock 3.0 kernel :) [04:12] even though it was fine before [04:12] how are the * [04:12] is their a ubuntu studio wubi? [04:13] ubuntudude: you can, i would suggest just doing the normal buntu [04:13] and adding what you want [04:13] open a package manager and search ubuntustudio, and read about the metapackages, or [04:13] !vanilla [04:13] To install Ubuntu Studio on top of a vanilla Ubuntu install, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/Installation [04:13] holstein, that's a good question; I've actually been using 2.6.37-bfs since Con patched it, and it performs basically as well as I could ask for... [04:13] naptastic: thats awesome... im ready for it :) [04:14] holstein, yeah, 3.0.0+bfs is gonna be friggin' awesome. [04:14] stephenthemartyr: i would make sure you are booting the same kernel [04:14] what dop you mean [04:14] stephenthemartyr: the kernel you are booting? [04:14] im a novice, [04:14] no im not booting [04:14] holstein, but for my audio stuff, I just compile the whole audio stack myself... (JACK, lv2, ardour...) [04:14] maybe you updated, and the kernel order got changed [04:14] i dont think haha [04:15] stephenthemartyr: dont think... make sure... in a terminal run [04:15] uname -a [04:15] ok sorry [04:16] stephenthemartyr: you did *not* do any upgrades? [04:16] Linux ubuntu 2.6.32-33-generic #70-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jul 7 21:09:46 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux [04:16] if i were you, i would run system upgrades, and reboot [04:16] then, i would consider trying an RT kernel, or relaxing the JACK settings [04:16] how do i do thaT?why do i need to reboot what abouit my music i have will i lose it? [04:17] stephenthemartyr: what music? [04:17] you mean files? [04:17] you dont lose any files from rebooting [04:17] but jack was working fine before the graphics thing went down [04:17] stephenthemartyr: im proposing this... [04:17] although only difference i see as far as graphics is the neato screen savers are not working [04:18] you upgraded the box... you were running an realtime kernel, and you got the latest -generic kernel which got put in front of the -RT one [04:18] yes files,i apologize [04:18] i think whatever graphics crash is irrelavant [04:18] ok [04:18] irrelevant* [04:19] can you explain what i should do? [04:19] sure... [04:19] if i were you, i would run the system upgrades [04:19] thanks your very nice [04:19] then, i would try a realtime kernel [04:19] OR try relaxing the JACK settings [04:20] and how do i that,yea but i dont understand why it was working perfect last nite and now its not [04:20] stephenthemartyr: thats the past [04:20] thats over now [04:20] hahah [04:20] you nor i have any idea what happened [04:20] so move on... [04:20] in a terminal [04:20] sudo apt-get update [04:20] then [04:20] sudo apt-get upgrade [04:20] should be no errors... [04:20] report if any [04:21] after that is finished, reboot, and test, then... [04:22] update went normal,upgrade says "ephen@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded." [04:22] isthat good? [04:22] if their is a Ubuntu Studio Wubi ca I have link? [04:23] what is a wubi? [04:23] ubuntudude: i'll look, but strongly consider the other route [04:23] ok [04:23] so i restart my comp? [04:24] ubuntudude: actually, i dont see one, so thats the deal [04:24] That stinks...... [04:24] if you want a wubi, you install vanilla, and upgrade [04:24] ubuntudude: ubuntu = ubuntustudio [04:24] SO, you can just add what you wan [04:24] want* [04:24] Link for vannilia please? [04:25] http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/windows-installer [04:25] stephenthemartyr: no need to restart [04:26] how do i reboot as you said [04:26] stephenthemartyr: no need to reboot [04:26] oh [04:26] um what was the next step? [04:26] if i were you , i would try a differnt kernel [04:26] stephenthemartyr: in the terminal [04:26] sudo apt-get install linux-rt [04:27] that wont mess my computer up right? [04:27] stephenthemartyr: feel free to research any command anyone, including me, asks you to paste in [04:27] sudo, is to get root privlages [04:28] i thought i read warnings ABOUT using it [04:28] apt-get is for package management [04:28] sorry i meant no offense [04:28] install is just that [04:28] if i was rude i apologize [04:28] linux-rt is the realtime kernel that *should* give you lowerlatency [04:28] its not trivial though [04:28] you dont just install it [04:28] you need to boot into that kernel [04:28] after installing it [04:29] how does that happen [04:29] stephenthemartyr: no worries, im quite serious... dont just copy and paste, google the commands at least [04:29] you want to know whats going on before running the commands [04:29] your right [04:30] stephenthemartyr: when you boot the machine, you see grub right? [04:30] you can choose windows or whatever? [04:30] several lines for ubuntu and windows right? [04:31] what is the grub? [04:32] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 [04:32] the boot loader [04:32] you should see a black screen where you choose between ubuntu or windows right? [04:34] anyways... when you install that package [04:34] sudo apt-get install linux-rt [04:34] that *should* install a realtime kernel which would be the next thing to try [04:36] when you reboot the box, where you hopefully see a choice between linux and windows, you'll see something about a 2.6.31-11-rt kernel [04:36] you want to try booting it, and see if the xruns are better, and if anything else is negatively effected [04:37] ok and what was the graphics x crash thing?ever heard of that [04:38] sure, but i dont have enough information to go on [04:38] that graphics crash, and the xruns seem unrelated to me [04:38] i think something else happened, and it just seems that way [04:39] right yes black screen [04:40] its instralling now [04:41] stephenthemartyr: you are up to date with upgrades, which means, you have upgraded recently [04:41] i googled it but i came to a forum where people were talking about stuff i had no iodea what it meant,that happens alot sadsad [04:41] and that upgrade likely broke something [04:41] could have broken your graphics, and JACK [04:41] aww crap [04:41] how do i find out if it did [04:41] i know you did [04:42] you didnt have any packages to update just then [04:42] thats means you are up to date, and just upgraded [04:42] when?the update manager earlier came up and i hit install [04:42] that would do it [04:43] why would the updatemanager let me update and break somin? [04:43] ? [04:43] its an update [04:43] they sometimes break things [04:43] ok [04:43] everyone has different hardware [04:43] this is the same for *any* OS [04:43] so i should reboot into the realtime kernel yea? [04:43] stephenthemartyr: i would try that [04:44] will you be here for a bit incase it doesnt work? [04:44] should be [04:44] and if it did go into "lowgraphics mode [04:44] "can i fix that [04:44] see, i think you broke a lot with an update [04:45] what graphics card? [04:45] nvidia? [04:45] dont know,what copmmand would tell me/ [04:45] ? [04:45] if you have an nvidia proprietary driver, that kernel wont work [04:45] stephenthemartyr: try in the GUI [04:45] i dont know [04:45] what kind [04:45] where ever you feel comfortable [04:45] system information? [04:45] something like that [04:45] i would run lspci in terminal... [04:47] 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS, 943/940GML and 945GT Express Memory Controller Hub (rev 03) 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) [04:47] stephenthemartyr: ah [04:47] so my graphics card is [04:47] we dont paste that here like that, you use http://paste.ubuntu.com/ [04:47] ... [04:48] you'll get droped for flooding by the server [04:48] sorry [04:48] no worries :) [04:48] thats intel, which is usually well supported [04:48] and you can try the RT kernel with it [04:49] will it just go back to "normal" graphics? [04:49] lets do that... and assume all the trouble is with the current kernel version [04:49] haha i know nothing [04:49] stephenthemartyr: you just mentioned that [04:49] i was not aware that you were in some safe graphics mode [04:49] it might though [04:50] i dont know if i am or not [04:50] im confused [04:50] IF the kernel version is the issue, and thats likely [04:50] stephenthemartyr: just reboot, and see if you see that kernel, and try it [04:50] ok ill go check,thanks sososososososo much! [04:50] and we [04:50] 'll go from there [04:50] thank you [04:50] sure [04:50] i owe yuou bigtime [04:50] nah... we havnet sorted it out yet [04:51] BUT we will [04:51] cool ill be back [04:51] thanks [05:14] sadsad [05:14] it said no device mounted when i picked the realtime kernel [05:15] it? [05:15] what said what? [05:15] the comp went to a black screen that said that [05:15] stephenthemartyr: did you see another kernel? [05:15] yes [05:15] another -generic one [05:15] i picked it [05:15] OK... and? [05:15] oh i thought i was to pick the rt one [05:15] no? [05:16] right, but thats not the last one that worked [05:16] there should be another one in there that you used to use [05:16] is that what you are in now? [05:16] uname -a [05:17] no regular one [05:17] \same as before [05:17] OK [05:17] so when you reboot, you have windows, the RT kernel, and only the one -generic kernel? [05:17] no other -generic kernel option? [05:18] there may have been another,i i just thought i was to pick the rt [05:18] so pick the other generic [05:18] stephenthemartyr: try that real quick [05:18] ok [05:18] you should see the current one you are using [05:18] and some older one [05:18] and the -rt one is probably near the bottom of the list [05:18] so the older one i pick? [05:18] right [05:18] ok [05:18] try that, see if all is well [05:18] thanks [05:28] ? [05:28] hey man,it looks like there are 2 other generics [05:28] cool, are you trying one now? [05:28] i think so but same thiong with xruns [05:29] 2.6.32-21-generic [05:29] how about the graphics? [05:29] seem better? [05:29] thats not the same right [05:29] no [05:29] hmmm [05:29] same jackaudio problem [05:29] man its sad cuz ive been having problems for a few weeks,this is actually a new faster computer [05:30] i used to have lucid on an old one and this one worked great [05:30] now [05:30] this is lucid [05:30] right? [05:30] should i try the other generic one? [05:30] thats the lucid kernel [05:30] but not ubuntu studio before i mean [05:30] oh [05:31] ubuntu = ubuntustudio [05:31] thats lucid ubuntustudio [05:31] 10.04 [05:31] can i unupdate it [05:31] right im saying on my old computer [05:31] any thoughts on next steps? [05:31] theres a history [05:32] if you open synatpic pacakge manager [05:32] go to file - history [05:32] there you can see what got upgraded last [05:32] probably something got broken [05:33] i use 10.04 with KXstudio ppa's added [05:33] http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/KXStudio:Repositories [05:33] yea i have that as well so i could get the .9.5 version of hydrogen [05:34] yea im there in synaptic [05:34] hydrogen wont have broken JACK though [05:34] i know the last update was a bunch of studd should i list them? [05:35] i wont be able to tell [05:35] you can literally go in and step each one down [05:35] OR, go for the likely ones [05:35] if i were you, i would try live CD's and try and pinpoint what the issue is [05:36] what is live cd and how do i do that [05:36] nevermind [05:36] choose something within the scope of your comfort level [05:36] you mean reboot the whole thing? [05:36] if thats reisntalling, do that [05:37] i dont have a comfort level,i want to fix it so i can record [05:37] if you say lucid worked great, install that [05:37] i like studio better tho [05:37] KXstudio has a live CD [05:37] stephenthemartyr: ubuntu = ubuntustudio [05:38] yea but ubuntustudio is different then lucid it serems [05:38] you would think so [05:38] but actually, its not [05:38] lucid is just the release # [05:38] 10.04 is code named lucid [05:38] id rather not reinstall,if i downgrade the things in synaptic should i go back to the original kernel? [05:38] ubuntustudio 10.04 = ubuntu 10.04 [05:38] with just a few tweaks here and there, and extra pacakges [05:38] but the same repositories [05:39] stephenthemartyr: you've already tried kernels [05:39] so, you can stop with that [05:39] its going to be a JACK update maybe [05:39] im not sure... i thought this was a box that had worked well for a long time [05:39] yes but you said i could downgrade the items from my last upgrade [05:39] ok [05:40] i would try running JACK as root for troubleshooting purposes [05:40] also, try something other than hydrogen [05:40] try any other JACK application [05:40] something like ardour [05:40] ardour has great JACK support [05:40] H2, not so much... [05:40] ok so i should stay in whatever kerne;l iam in? [05:41] stephenthemartyr: yes [05:41] stephenthemartyr: has JACK *ever* been stable on this box? [05:41] yesd [05:41] when? and how? [05:41] what verion of JACK? [05:41] these are the questions you'll need to answer [05:41] last night and earlier today [05:42] jack1 [05:42] OK [05:42] it was working fine [05:42] you can get JACK from that PPA i listed [05:42] JACK2 [05:42] what good will that do? [05:42] http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/KXStudio:Repositories [05:43] stephenthemartyr: well, it could potentially give you non-broken pacakges [05:43] assuming thats whats up [05:43] i dont think you want to move backwards [05:43] oh so which rep. should i add to my software sources? [05:43] stephenthemartyr: i would carefully read all of http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/KXStudio:Repositories [05:43] maybe a few times [05:44] then, if you still dont know, ask me, or the folks in #opensourcemusicians [05:44] OR #kxstudio [05:44] would a hydrogen update with a "fixed 1" break things? [05:44] i can tell you the ones i use [05:44] ok [05:44] stephenthemartyr: sure [05:44] where did you get it? [05:44] from my last update [05:45] stephenthemartyr: if i were you, i would check out how to remove and purge PPA's just in case, and i would try the kxstudio PPA's [05:45] i have their music one [05:46] i use the main repo and the kernel one [05:46] aahhh the ppa puge thing ,i tried that for like a week and got no where c`uz it made no sense [05:46] stephenthemartyr: purge? [05:46] im not trying to be difficult [05:47] what made no sense? [05:47] purge ppa thing [05:47] how to do it [05:47] what thing? [05:47] purge a ppa [05:47] that [05:47] http://bigbrovar.aoizora.org/index.php/2010/01/10/how-to-safely-remove-ppa-repository-from-ubuntu/ [05:47] i have to download some software called ppa purge right? [05:48] you should have it [05:49] ok yea thats the site,ill try it from the terminal [05:49] how do i ion synaptic downgrade hydrogen to the last version i had [05:50] stephenthemartyr: you can do that in synaptic [05:50] how [05:50] open synaptic [05:50] search for hydrogen [05:52] you should be able to click on hydrogen and hit control+E [05:52] it only shows .9.4 but it was just upgraded from .9.5.2 to .9.5.3?? [05:52] it? [05:52] where is the old one its not listed [05:52] the version that i had right before the last update [05:52] you should see a drop down where you can choose to force an older version [05:53] if control+E doesnt work, you can find 'force' under the 'package' menu [05:53] stephenthemartyr: alright... im out [05:53] its going to get quiet [05:53] yea i went there but it had only the two versions,yet my history [05:53] ok [05:54] feel free to try #opensourcemusicians [05:54] ok [05:54] this sucls [05:54] thanks [05:54] have a good one [05:54] try kxstudio live [05:54] ok [05:54] thanks [05:54] maybe you would benifit from a more 'out of the box' system [05:54] i dont know what that is [05:54] like, everything works out of the box [05:55] you might have tricky hardware though [05:55] where would that be cuz it seems like ubuntu always breaks [05:55] well, your hardware support breaks* [05:55] ubuntu is just fine [05:55] its just broken for you on your hardware [05:56] and im not sure why [05:56] anyways... check out #kxstudio and kxstudio live [05:57] hmmmmm [05:57] we [05:57] 're not sure you have a graphics problem [05:57] you had some sort of crash [05:58] this is an internal sound card, so you should expect stellar performance [05:58] anyways... im out... we'll get you sorted somehow or other... GN [05:59] yea [05:59] thanks dude [08:59] Can someone help me with a problem with JACK? [09:00] 10:59:31.732 Patchbay deactivated. 10:59:31.738 Statistics reset. 10:59:31.772 ALSA connection change. Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory Cannot connect to server socket jack server is not running or cannot be started 10:59:31.779 ALSA connection graph change. [09:00] Hello Jordi_ [09:00] hello [09:01] Jordi_: that's a default QjackCtl message afaik [09:02] yes i've got a new message now i've connected my usb interface [09:02] but it's so long it's probably hard to read it here so I'm selecting a couple of importet lines [09:02] important* [09:03] ALSA: Cannot open PCM device alsa_pcm for playback. Falling back to capture-only mode Cannot initialize driver [09:04] I installed the ALSA driver for my external soundcard (Tascam US-122L) [09:04] Something else has your soundcard [09:04] locked [09:04] I am in the audio group [09:04] What are your JACK settings? Are you using QjackCtl? [09:04] yes [09:04] I can't send a screenshot here, can I? [09:05] No, but you could patebin it [09:05] pastebin [09:05]