[00:00] <h00k> Try control+tab
[00:01] <h00k> It looks hot!
[00:01] <BUGabundo> h00k: -_-' OLD
[00:01] <h00k> BUGabundo: NO YOU ARE
[00:01] <h00k> BUGabundo: is that on the list to replace alt-tab?
[00:02] <BUGabundo> no
[00:02] <h00k> Huh, so, it's just duplicating that feature?
[00:02] <h00k> with nicer-looking icons?
[00:02] <h00k> That seems silly.
[00:31] <h00k> BUGabundo: can't be that new, I was just ctrl+tabbing chromium browser windows like...yesterday, I think
[00:31] <BUGabundo> ahh you said ctrl.. I read super
[00:31] <BUGabundo> sorry
[00:33] <h00k> BUGabundo: :) No, ctrl! Try it!
[00:33] <BUGabundo> I'm on lubuntu
[00:33] <h00k> ahha.
[00:34] <h00k> I bet it doesn't work ;)
[00:40] <h00k> Alt+tab: http://i.imgur.com/jhoPX.jpg, and Ctrl+tab: http://i.imgur.com/caxmR.jpg
[00:41] <BUGabundo> looks good
[00:42] <h00k> Yeah!
[00:42] <h00k> Also, I have that battery monitor
[00:46] <h00k> :(
[01:04] <BUGabundo> i share his enthusiasm! i better go to bed! https://plus.google.com/110546133384368429145/posts/QWbCBz8oi6u
[01:24] <strace> Anyone else having strange graphical problems with Unity and ATI? (both open source and closed source)
[03:24] <snadge> can anyone recommend a blog or something like that, with commentary about whats happening with oneirc dev at the moment?
[03:27] <snadge> i'd like to assist by doing some testing.. and i have been doing so on at least one machine, with some success.. until the past few days, there has been a significant amount of x.org updates, updates to compiz, nux etc
[03:28] <snadge> anyways.. fglrx is refusing to cooperate now, im getting black rectangles all over the screen
[03:28] <snadge> i tried the radeon driver, and cant get it to display anything at all
[03:32] <snadge> i understand im meant to have a higher competence level to be doing this, and im most likely annoying seasoned devs by "getting in the way" .. but i can figure out quite a lot on my own.. it would be nice to receive some advice, or have someone point out some information that might be able to assist me.. or i could just not do this, and only use natty
[03:38] <snadge> really? ubuntu dev channel is really this quiet? :p
[03:38] <bjsnider> it's night
[03:39] <bjsnider> people often engage in a little-known seldom-used activity called "sleep"
[03:39] <snadge> i guess so .. its lunch time here, i forget that the world is spherical, rotates upon its axis and revolves around a giant ball of hydrogen fusing into helium and other heavier atoms sometimes
[03:40] <bjsnider> this activity usually makes it hard to respond to irc messages
[03:41] <rww> !night
[03:41] <bjsnider> phoronix and webupd8 often have info about oneiric
[03:41] <rww> there's a factoid for everything :3
[03:42] <bjsnider> rww, did you write that one for the bot?
[03:42] <rww> !-night
[03:42] <bjsnider> who writes these things?
[03:42] <snadge> yeah.. phoronix is great actually.. if it wasn't for phoronix i'd have zero idea about whats happening with fglrx/radeon and vaapi support
[03:43] <bjsnider> hobbsee is australian. very strange
[03:43] <snadge> it makes sense to me.. im australian too
[03:43] <snadge> and i guess im the one that message was directed at ;)
[03:43] <bjsnider> i suspect a huge conspiracy
[03:43] <snadge> its only us aussies that are up and at them when the US and UK is asleep
[03:44] <bjsnider> i figgered
[03:44] <snadge> thats how come the english speaking world has been able to dominate the world.. we take it in turns whilst each other is sleeping.. j/k
[03:44] <rww> also, people in the US that don't sleep properly o/
[03:45] <snadge> it is a conspiracy, canonical was started by a south african who lives in the UK.. a conspiracy of english speaking nations
[03:45] <bjsnider> no, it's the cia
[03:46] <bjsnider> always the cia
[03:46] <snadge> hes a cia and mi5 agent.. double
[03:47] <snadge> who else here is actually brave enough to dedicate a physical machine to oneiric?
[03:48] <bjsnider> you're talking to sleepers
[03:48] <snadge> and has installed updates in the past few days and uses x :p
[03:48] <nit-wit> it crashes x like natty
[03:48] <nit-wit> a reported bug
[03:48] <snadge> im just getting blotchy black rectangle with fglx, and nothing with radeon.. no crashing thankfully
[03:49] <snadge> radeon 6300m
[03:49] <bjsnider> fglrx rarely works for long during a dev cycle. they usually update it at the very end
[03:49] <nit-wit> I finally had to just install fedora xfce, I can't watch a vid
[03:49] <snadge> yeah thats kind of annoying bjsnider ... do canonical devs at least get preview versions of catalyst from amd?
[03:49] <snadge> or have access to an fglrx dev tree?
[03:50] <bjsnider> i think so
[03:50] <snadge> i'd sign an nda for that :P or slip somemone cash
[03:50] <bjsnider> but if you want working graphics during a dev cycle you have to go with intel or nvidia
[03:51] <snadge> given that all of my hardware except my netbook uses catalyst.. and i want my netbook to actually work, that makes things tough
[03:51] <bjsnider> catalyst is just a marketing word
[03:52] <snadge> fglrx then.. they're kind of interchangeable to me
[03:52] <bjsnider> ati/amd
[03:52] <snadge> fglrx is specific to linux.. catalyst encompasses the proprietary driver on all platforms
[03:52] <bjsnider> you did not choose hardware that is as linux friendly as some
[03:52] <snadge> amd are trying to make amends for what is actually ati's doing
[03:53] <snadge> and they have opened up a lot of stuff.. it must be hard work or something
[03:53] <bjsnider> opened up what? they haven't released any documentation in years
[03:54] <snadge> they really could be doing better, if nvidia has better support for in development code
[03:54] <snadge> especially if they want more than just a handful of people to test their driver before its released
[03:54] <snadge> to me.. that tells me that they just dont care
[03:54] <bjsnider> nvidia replaces mesa entirely, so in not depending on mesa they can quickly add support for new x-servers and kernels
[03:55] <snadge> the xvba sources just got opened up recently
[03:55] <snadge> too little.. too late
[03:56] <snadge> and hasn't some of their documentation assisted the radeon driver with new chipset support and limited 3d support improvements
[03:56] <bjsnider> yea, back in 2008 it did
[03:56] <bjsnider> my calendar says it isn't 2008 right now
[03:57] <snadge> im just kind of gutted at the moment
[03:57] <snadge> went out and bought an amd based zacate board for my htpc.. which works great under windows.. can get it to work reasonably with natty, with some minor problems
[03:58] <bjsnider> besides, it's really ahrd to code graphics drivers, and documentation alone ain't gonna git 'er done
[03:59] <snadge> upgraded it to oneiric thinking.. well why not, obviously before things are going to get better they're going to get worse.. i may as well follow along out of curiosity
[03:59] <snadge> and now it turns out i can't even help, or follow whats going on.. because i've got no display in X at all, even with the radeon driver.. sigh
[04:00] <bjsnider> did you buy the amd board because it was cheap or something?
[04:00] <snadge> both value for money, and features.. they're an excellent board
[04:00] <snadge> http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_CPU_on_Board/E35M1I_DELUXE/
[04:00] <snadge> on paper, its better than atom/ion2
[04:00] <bjsnider> the difficulty i have with it is that it's not intel
[04:01] <snadge> most of my stuff is amd
[04:01] <snadge> it may not be technically superior in all areas.. but compared to whatever the intel equivalent is, its usually a lot better value for money
[04:02] <bjsnider> that's like saying you wanted to run the 4-minute mile so you started your plan by intentionally breaking both your legs
[04:02] <snadge> i've never personally had a problem with amd cpus.. ati/radeon, is a completely different story
[04:02] <snadge> im sure i could quite happily use nvidia with amd, and enjoy far less problems
[04:02] <bjsnider> i mean i'm sure it's reasonably functional on windows, if that floats your boat
[04:03] <snadge> oh yeah.. i think i mentioned earlier this hardware is excellent under windows 7
[04:03] <snadge> and thankfully it dual boots.. its just unfortunate i didnt make it a triple boot for oneiric
[04:04] <snadge> instead i stupidly chose to upgrade my natty installation.. and part of me would rather wait for things to unbreak in oneiric, than reinstall natty
[04:04] <snadge> because i can still use windows in the meantime.. or console ;) *shrugs*
[04:12] <daurnimator> how stable is 3.0rc7?
[04:43] <snadge> linux 3 is very stable
[04:44] <snadge> xorg and friends is a completely different story
[04:44] <rww> daurnimator: about as stable as every other Linux RC. It's not really notable, despite the version bumb.
[04:44] <rww> bump **
[05:16] <daurnimator> rww: I want to use va-api with amd fusion (zacate); its apparently only in 39+ with optimisations in 3.0.
[05:32] <snadge> daurnimator: i love you
[05:33] <snadge> i think we're the only two people in the universe who owns an amd zacate platform and want to use it with linux ;)
[05:35] <snadge> i had vaapi working fine.. until a few days ago, when something exploded in x.org
[05:35] <snadge> and now i have black rectangles all over my display
[05:36] <snadge> if you have access to pre-release fglrx 11.7 for linux.. now is the time to say so :p
[08:55] <Squall5668> Hello, anyone care to give me a hand with an Ubuntu 11.10 box that boots in BusyBox right after the upgrade? At least how i can see what's wrong so i can do reinstalls with chrooting. I can't understand anything in dmesg
[09:01] <Squall5668> at least a guide on how to understand the output of dmesg?
[09:02] <bazhang> !dmesg
[09:03] <Squall5668> eh, can i output it to a file then? since i can't see anything on the lines i can read, nothing like "Error" or "Warning" :/
[09:27] <antihero> How would I switch the new unity switcher to be on Alt+Tab not Ctrl+tab?
[09:28] <antihero> Surely the convention would be to have put it on Super+Tab instead of messing with everyone's in-app tabbing?
[12:04] <dr_willis> Hmm.. cant seem to get the nvidia drivers working.. broke about 2 days ago.
[12:06] <coz_> dr_willis,  and I was about to install :(
[12:06] <dr_willis> it was working.. then broke about 2 days ago.  tried removing it.. cant seem to get the nv driver going either
[12:09] <coz_> dr_willis,  oh man,, always n vidia  but its not unusual at this stage
[12:11] <dr_willis> yea. but just seems odd its been broke for 3 days straight now. :) luckly i can irc/znc from the con sole.
[12:11] <dr_willis> One odd bug i noticed.. lightdm kept starting/crashing soo fast it looked like the console was flickering...
[12:11] <dr_willis> it never did error out like 'we crashed 100 times in 20 sec.... aborting...' :)
[12:14] <jamesbond2> Hi I have question about unity. I don't see any button for reboot/shutdown etc
[12:16] <coz_> jamesbond2,  see if  ctrl+delete  brings up the shutdown dialog UI
[12:17] <jamesbond2> coz_: that doesn
[12:17] <coz_> mm
[12:17] <jamesbond2> coz_: that doesn't work for me
[12:18] <coz_> jamesbond2,  I was just about to install oneiric  until I heard about nvidia issues,,  unless they changed that keybinding it should have brought the shutdown     dialog UI  up
[12:18] <coz_> jamesbond2,  sorry i is crl+alt+delete
[12:18] <coz_> jamesbond2,  try that ^^^
[12:19] <jamesbond2> i get popup with logout option :)
[12:19] <coz_> jamesbond2,  oh darn,  it was changed then,, that's what happens on gnome3  also
[12:20] <jamesbond2> ok
[12:21] <coz_> jamesbond2,  I havent had anyone give me the command for the shutdown dialog UI  on gnome3  which apparenlty is also on 11.10 now
[12:21] <coz_> jamesbond2,  if I find it,, I will let you know :)
[12:21] <jamesbond2> thnx coz_
[12:21] <coz_> jamesbond2,  this is a partiularly important one for me,, I use easystroke and need to associate that command with a gesture
[12:22] <jamesbond2> it's bad that they have removed the button on the panel
[12:23] <coz_> jamesbond2,  yeah,, I know
[12:31] <jamesbond2> coz_
[12:31] <jamesbond2> i have the solution
[12:31] <coz_> ooo cool
[12:31] <coz_> jamesbond2,  what is it?
[12:31] <jamesbond2> indicator-messages-gtk2
[12:31] <jamesbond2> indicator-session-gtk2
[12:31] <jamesbond2> those packages are needed
[12:31] <coz_> jamesbond2,  those are the commands?
[12:32] <coz_> jamesbond2,  ah
[12:32] <coz_> jamesbond2,  interesting they are not already installed
[12:32] <jamesbond2> indeed
[12:32] <coz_> jamesbond2,  perhaps at release they will be
[12:34] <jamesbond2> coz_: i hope so
[12:34] <coz_> jamesbond2,  did you install them, yet?
[12:35] <jamesbond2> coz_: Yes and it's working
[12:35] <coz_> jamesbond2, with the same keybinding?
[12:35] <coz_> ctrl+alt+delete?
[12:37] <jamesbond2> that is still only log out option. But the desktop show now the shutdown button
[12:37] <coz_> jamesbond2,  then there has to be a keybinding / command to bring it up
[12:42] <jamesbond2> ok
[12:59] <BUGabundo> bRoas
[13:00] <BUGabundo> wow
[13:00] <BUGabundo> h00k was right
[13:00] <BUGabundo> ctrl tab is over writing every other app
[13:00] <BUGabundo> I can't use Pidgin anymore or Chormium
[13:32] <BUGabundo> if anyone has *any* idea on how to remove ctrl+tab shortcut in unity/gnome3 PLEASE let me know! its USELESS like this
[13:33] <dr_willis> that would be a ccsm setting/plugin i think
[13:33] <dr_willis> I cant even get to X right now.. :)
[13:34] <BUGabundo> let me check so
[13:35] <dr_willis> I recall compiz having like 4 differnt 'plugins' that could do that alt-tab stuff..
[13:35] <dr_willis> differnt eyecaney/look was the main feature of them i recall.
[13:36] <BUGabundo> thanks
[13:36] <BUGabundo> THANK YOU
[13:36] <BUGabundo> its the Unity plugin shortcut
[13:36] <BUGabundo> h00k: ^^^^^^^
[13:38] <BUGabundo> wait
[13:38] <BUGabundo> not its not
[13:38] <BUGabundo> its disabled and still doesn't change it
[13:38] <BUGabundo> fuuuuuuuuuu
[13:53] <dr_willis> disable all of them? :) disable compiz?   Reconfigure the warp drive!
[13:53] <dr_willis> (watching startrek right now....)
[13:55] <BUGabundo> :D
[13:59] <coz_> :)
[14:01] <daurnimator> snadge: sadly I do not; any progres on your end?
[14:26] <sudipta> can anyone share some desktop-screenshots of gnome shell with me?
[14:27] <dr_willis> I cant even get 11.10 to boot to X at the moment. :)
[14:28] <sudipta> natural...still in alpha :)
[14:32] <snadge> daurnimator: i gave up and have been trying to fix an unrelated performance issue in xbmc
[14:32] <snadge> i was going to try out unity-2d with fglrx.. to see if that worked
[14:32] <snadge> to see if its just a problem with compiz/nux
[14:35] <daurnimator> snadge: I tried to give up but i seem to have lost all my windows discs+isos >.<
[14:38] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[14:41] <dr_willis> moo!
[14:50] <BluesKaj> How now brown cow , what's new with you ?
[14:50] <BluesKaj> dr_willis, :)
[14:50] <snadge> i've nearly cracked this xbmc issue though.. so i have renewed enthusiasm, this could be my first useful patch :p
[14:53] <BluesKaj> snadge,  which xbmc , the stand alone or the build ?
[14:55] <dr_willis> Playing with my 'boxee' box today.
[14:56] <BluesKaj> there's more than 2 xbmc versions , now when I think about it
[14:56] <dr_willis> then the boxee spinoff.
[14:57] <dr_willis> got boxee and xbmc both on the PC in the front room. wife tends to perfer xbmc.
[14:58] <BluesKaj> tried it for a while..found it too cluttered , and the menus are clunky , went back to vlc
[14:58] <BluesKaj> xbmc that is
[14:59] <dr_willis> it has themes.. it also does 100x things then vlc does. :)
[15:00] <dr_willis> boxee seems to do more things then xbmc does even.
[15:02] <dr_willis> Coolest trick i learned for VLC, boxee, and xbmc is to use my android phone as a remote. :)
[15:04] <bjsnider> there's no shortage of media center apps for linux
[15:05] <BluesKaj> we just wanted a player that plays the media without too much fuss
[15:09] <snadge> BluesKaj: its a mysql database performance issue with any version of xbmc
[15:09] <snadge> well i think only 11.0-pre which is latest git version has mysql support
[15:09] <snadge> most people dont use the mysql database option
[15:10] <snadge> but it becomes of use if you wish to share the same media collection amongst multiple clients
[15:10] <onca> hi. how can I install gnome as it is in the oneiric-desktop-amd64.iso liveCD
[15:11] <BluesKaj> yeah, I tried the git version, but it had too many undefeatable default options like subtitles in foreign languges that couldn't be turned off
[15:11] <snadge> you press t to turn subtitles off :p
[15:11] <BluesKaj> snadge, ^
[15:11] <dr_willis> onca:  it should be that way by default. If your 3d drivers are set to work with Unity.
[15:11] <snadge> im compiling xbmc from source for what i want to do.. packages are a bit useless
[15:12] <snadge> im contributing to upstream.. ubuntu can wait :p
[15:12] <BluesKaj> snadge, odd , that was my first try ...didn't turn anything on or off
[15:12] <BluesKaj> T that is
[15:12] <snadge> i havn't seen that myself.. perhaps its a bug with a specific video or subtitle format i dont know
[15:13] <onca> dr_willis, I understand, but say I'm trying to mimic on another instillation ?
[15:13] <snadge> it might be encoded into the video itself
[15:13] <snadge> play it with mplayer or something else ;)
[15:13] <BluesKaj> maybe the version had too many flaws , I was running natty bets at the time ..integration was obviouslt iffy
[15:14] <onca> vlc ftw
[15:14] <snadge> ahh things have changed since then.. if you tried it again, it would probably work
[15:14] <dr_willis> onca:  on a differnet ubuntu version?
[15:14] <snadge> it compiled on natty without issues for me.. and oneiric as well, when it wasnt broken that is
[15:15] <BluesKaj> ok
[15:16] <onca> dr_willis, uhm, naw, gentoo.
[15:16]  * onca *squirms*
[15:16] <onca> please.
[15:16] <dr_willis> onca:  good luck with getting unity on gentoo.
[15:16] <onca> unity ..
[15:16] <dr_willis> !unity
[15:16] <BluesKaj> well, I'm sticking with VLC anyway ...it passes the digital audio like I set it up , relatively simple and direct
[15:16] <onca> that's a new one to me
[15:17] <onca> documentation here I come.
[15:17] <onca> thank you dr_willis.
[15:17] <onca> alright if I stick around?
[15:34] <BluesKaj> how's the state of nvidia drivers on X with the new 3.0 kernel release ?
[15:35] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Ther earen't any big changes in 3.0 (except the number)
[15:37] <BluesKaj> penguin42, let me rephrase that..how's the kernel source support for nvidia ?
[15:38] <Ian_Corne> atm I can't install nvidia current via jockey
[15:38] <dr_willis> Ian_Corne:  dont work here either...
[15:38] <BluesKaj> penguin42, I'm on natty and thinking of upgrading , but my last try broke X
[15:38] <dr_willis> No nvidia for me.. for now. been patently waiting. :)
[15:39]  * yofel has nvidia working, but installed by apt-get
[15:39] <penguin42> Intel works fine :-)
[15:39] <yofel> 275 *does* support kernel 3.0 in any case
[15:39] <yofel> my last issue with nvidia was udev/initrd related
[15:41] <BluesKaj> yofel, how did yo fix that
[15:41] <yofel> I worked around it by forcing nouveau out of the initrd, but the bug is fixed by now
[16:02] <penguin42> hmm - not exactly stable at the moment :-(
[16:02] <Ian_Corne> had to apt-get install nvidia-current --reinstall
[16:02] <Ian_Corne> but it works now
[16:03] <snadge> im testing this xbmc database performance patch :p
[16:03] <snadge> if it works and gets accepted that will be a defining moment hehe
[16:05] <antihero> How do I redefine the new Ctrl+Tab behaviour in Unity to be on Alt+Tab?
[16:12] <dr_willis> antihero:  that would be a compiz plugin setting i imagine
[16:13] <antihero> dr_willis: cool
[16:13] <dr_willis> I dont even see a nvidia 275 version yofel  :) I was using nvidia-current a few days ago.. then broke about 2 days back
[16:15] <antihero> dr_willis: Hmm, changed the logical options, has made no difference. I'll try reinit
[16:16] <dr_willis> ive seen compiz quirks in the past where changes in ccsm dont take affect till you relogin/out
[16:17] <Ian_Corne> dr_willis: I'vegot 275.09.07-0ubuntu4 installed atm
[16:17] <Ian_Corne> and it works
[16:18] <dr_willis> Hmm
[16:18] <antihero> dr_willis: Nope, just done that, even restarted GDM
[16:18] <dr_willis> I dont even see that version # Ian_Corne . just 96 and 173
[16:18] <antihero> I do like the new switcher, just wish it replaced alt tab
[16:19] <antihero> ah, got it now
[16:20] <dr_willis> Had to use a biger hammer?
[16:22] <antihero> It just worked this time, when I had the old switcher enabled it asked to steal the hotkey and I said OK
[16:22] <antihero> this switcher is much faster and nicer
[16:56] <gnomefreak> is anyone else having issues with fglrx drivers?
[17:17] <yofel> !info nvidia-current | dr_willis
[17:17] <yofel> see, 275 ;)
[17:20] <jakemp> Still getting lag on my touchpad on my Lenovo T420 that wasn't there on 11.04.
[17:21] <yofel> no lag on my t510
[17:21] <dr_willis> Hmm. nvidia-current installed a differnt version here.
[17:21] <dr_willis> I just update/upgraded
[17:22] <yofel> dr_willis: what does apt-cache policy nvidia-current say?
[17:22] <dr_willis> let me check
[17:22] <dr_willis> there we go.. seems to be 275 now.
[17:22] <dr_willis>  275.09.07-0ubuntu4 0
[17:23] <dr_willis> I just checked that like  an hr or so ago.
[17:35] <dr_willis> installed and rebooting.. brb
[17:54] <dr_willis> Hmm. nvidia still fails to load.
[17:54] <dr_willis> Installed: 275.09.07-0ubuntu4
[17:55] <dr_willis> (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module!
[17:55] <dr_willis> FATAL: Module nvidia not found.
[17:56] <yofel> dr_willis: what does dkms status say?
[17:57] <dr_willis> now thats.. interesting.. 2 differnt versions..
[17:58] <dr_willis> willis@CowBuntu:/etc/X11$ dkms status
[17:58] <dr_willis> nvidia-173, 173.14.30, 3.0.0-5-generic, i686: installed
[17:58] <dr_willis> nvidia-current, 275.09.07, 3.0.0-6-generic, i686: installed
[17:58] <dr_willis> but one is for the older kernel if i read that right.
[17:59] <dr_willis> removeing the 173,and current, and reinstalling curent.
[18:00] <dr_willis> dkms status returns nothing now.
[18:00] <yofel> hm, is nouveau loaded? (check lsmod)
[18:02] <dr_willis> dosent seem to be
[18:02] <dr_willis> nvidia-current installed..
[18:02] <dr_willis>  dkms status
[18:02] <dr_willis> nvidia-current, 275.09.07, 3.0.0-6-generic, i686: installed
[18:03] <dr_willis> and i am using that kernel. :)
[18:03] <dr_willis> time to reboot and see i guess.
[18:03] <dr_willis> brb
[18:06] <coz_>  have to break for a bit , be back later
[18:09] <cjohnston> I'm trying to install the propriatry wireless drivers, however when I do I get an error saying look at /var/log/jockey.log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/650742/ any ideas?
[18:17] <trism> cjohnston: do you have the linux-headers package for your current kernel installed? I see a post on ubuntu forums that suggests that error is a result of the headers not being install when you try to activate the driver with jockey
[18:18] <cjohnston> trism: http://paste.ubuntu.com/650752/ it looks like it
[18:54] <dr_willis> yea. got X going now.
[18:59] <penguin42> anyone having problems with windows+number not working on unity this week?
[19:01] <dr_willis> Hmm. not working at all here
[19:01] <dr_willis> shows text in some little search box at the bottom right here...
[19:05] <penguin42> oh I don't get a search box, they just don't do anything
[19:06] <dr_willis> not sure that the box is .. little text entry field at buttom right
[19:07] <dr_willis> actually when imn in this termiunal window. i dont even get that..  the text goes here
[19:07] <dr_willis> 12345
[19:07] <penguin42> nod that's what I'm seeing
[19:07] <dr_willis> the #'s appear over the icons. but text goes here
[19:08] <dr_willis> if i open a file maanger window. and do it.. the text appears in a little box at the bottom left of the filemanager window
[19:08] <dr_willis> same as if i was not holding the win-key
[19:12] <dr_willis> so basically i can say.. yes. the win-key seem,s to do nothing other then make the #'s show on the icons...
[21:39] <antihero> dr-willis: I get that - I pres winkey+# and nothing happens
[21:39] <dr-willis> yep.
[21:40] <dr-willis> they sort of fovus a lot pn keybord shorycuts in unity. sort of counterintuitive at times
[21:41] <dr-willis> win key is getting used for too many tjings.
[22:12] <penguin42> I guess it's not doing much otherwise
[22:27] <BluesKaj> upgraded to Oneiric , but desktop effects sttings are still ignored , I see