[00:00] Try control+tab [00:01] It looks hot! [00:01] h00k: -_-' OLD [00:01] BUGabundo: NO YOU ARE [00:01] BUGabundo: is that on the list to replace alt-tab? [00:02] no [00:02] Huh, so, it's just duplicating that feature? [00:02] with nicer-looking icons? [00:02] That seems silly. [00:31] BUGabundo: can't be that new, I was just ctrl+tabbing chromium browser windows like...yesterday, I think [00:31] ahh you said ctrl.. I read super [00:31] sorry [00:33] BUGabundo: :) No, ctrl! Try it! [00:33] I'm on lubuntu [00:33] ahha. [00:34] I bet it doesn't work ;) [00:40] Alt+tab: http://i.imgur.com/jhoPX.jpg, and Ctrl+tab: http://i.imgur.com/caxmR.jpg [00:41] looks good [00:42] Yeah! [00:42] Also, I have that battery monitor [00:46] :( [01:04] i share his enthusiasm! i better go to bed! https://plus.google.com/110546133384368429145/posts/QWbCBz8oi6u [01:24] Anyone else having strange graphical problems with Unity and ATI? (both open source and closed source) [03:24] can anyone recommend a blog or something like that, with commentary about whats happening with oneirc dev at the moment? [03:27] i'd like to assist by doing some testing.. and i have been doing so on at least one machine, with some success.. until the past few days, there has been a significant amount of x.org updates, updates to compiz, nux etc [03:28] anyways.. fglrx is refusing to cooperate now, im getting black rectangles all over the screen [03:28] i tried the radeon driver, and cant get it to display anything at all [03:32] i understand im meant to have a higher competence level to be doing this, and im most likely annoying seasoned devs by "getting in the way" .. but i can figure out quite a lot on my own.. it would be nice to receive some advice, or have someone point out some information that might be able to assist me.. or i could just not do this, and only use natty [03:38] really? ubuntu dev channel is really this quiet? :p [03:38] it's night [03:39] people often engage in a little-known seldom-used activity called "sleep" [03:39] i guess so .. its lunch time here, i forget that the world is spherical, rotates upon its axis and revolves around a giant ball of hydrogen fusing into helium and other heavier atoms sometimes [03:40] this activity usually makes it hard to respond to irc messages [03:41] !night [03:41] It's the middle of the night in the US and Europe, and surrounds. This means that a lot of people are likely asleep, therefore there are less potential people who can answer your question. Please be patient, and consider asking at a time when more people will be awake. This is particularly true in the quieter channels. [03:41] phoronix and webupd8 often have info about oneiric [03:41] there's a factoid for everything :3 [03:42] rww, did you write that one for the bot? [03:42] !-night [03:42] night has no aliases - added by Hobbsee on 2007-05-27 13:30:59 - last edited by Hobbsee on 2007-05-27 13:35:36 [03:42] who writes these things? [03:42] yeah.. phoronix is great actually.. if it wasn't for phoronix i'd have zero idea about whats happening with fglrx/radeon and vaapi support [03:43] hobbsee is australian. very strange [03:43] it makes sense to me.. im australian too [03:43] and i guess im the one that message was directed at ;) [03:43] i suspect a huge conspiracy [03:43] its only us aussies that are up and at them when the US and UK is asleep [03:44] i figgered [03:44] thats how come the english speaking world has been able to dominate the world.. we take it in turns whilst each other is sleeping.. j/k [03:44] also, people in the US that don't sleep properly o/ [03:45] it is a conspiracy, canonical was started by a south african who lives in the UK.. a conspiracy of english speaking nations [03:45] no, it's the cia [03:46] always the cia [03:46] hes a cia and mi5 agent.. double [03:47] who else here is actually brave enough to dedicate a physical machine to oneiric? [03:48] you're talking to sleepers [03:48] and has installed updates in the past few days and uses x :p [03:48] it crashes x like natty [03:48] a reported bug [03:48] im just getting blotchy black rectangle with fglx, and nothing with radeon.. no crashing thankfully [03:49] radeon 6300m [03:49] fglrx rarely works for long during a dev cycle. they usually update it at the very end [03:49] I finally had to just install fedora xfce, I can't watch a vid [03:49] yeah thats kind of annoying bjsnider ... do canonical devs at least get preview versions of catalyst from amd? [03:49] or have access to an fglrx dev tree? [03:50] i think so [03:50] i'd sign an nda for that :P or slip somemone cash [03:50] but if you want working graphics during a dev cycle you have to go with intel or nvidia [03:51] given that all of my hardware except my netbook uses catalyst.. and i want my netbook to actually work, that makes things tough [03:51] catalyst is just a marketing word [03:52] fglrx then.. they're kind of interchangeable to me [03:52] ati/amd [03:52] fglrx is specific to linux.. catalyst encompasses the proprietary driver on all platforms [03:52] you did not choose hardware that is as linux friendly as some [03:52] amd are trying to make amends for what is actually ati's doing [03:53] and they have opened up a lot of stuff.. it must be hard work or something [03:53] opened up what? they haven't released any documentation in years [03:54] they really could be doing better, if nvidia has better support for in development code [03:54] especially if they want more than just a handful of people to test their driver before its released [03:54] to me.. that tells me that they just dont care [03:54] nvidia replaces mesa entirely, so in not depending on mesa they can quickly add support for new x-servers and kernels [03:55] the xvba sources just got opened up recently [03:55] too little.. too late [03:56] and hasn't some of their documentation assisted the radeon driver with new chipset support and limited 3d support improvements [03:56] yea, back in 2008 it did [03:56] my calendar says it isn't 2008 right now [03:57] im just kind of gutted at the moment [03:57] went out and bought an amd based zacate board for my htpc.. which works great under windows.. can get it to work reasonably with natty, with some minor problems [03:58] besides, it's really ahrd to code graphics drivers, and documentation alone ain't gonna git 'er done [03:59] upgraded it to oneiric thinking.. well why not, obviously before things are going to get better they're going to get worse.. i may as well follow along out of curiosity [03:59] and now it turns out i can't even help, or follow whats going on.. because i've got no display in X at all, even with the radeon driver.. sigh [04:00] did you buy the amd board because it was cheap or something? [04:00] both value for money, and features.. they're an excellent board [04:00] http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_CPU_on_Board/E35M1I_DELUXE/ [04:00] on paper, its better than atom/ion2 [04:00] the difficulty i have with it is that it's not intel [04:01] most of my stuff is amd [04:01] it may not be technically superior in all areas.. but compared to whatever the intel equivalent is, its usually a lot better value for money [04:02] that's like saying you wanted to run the 4-minute mile so you started your plan by intentionally breaking both your legs [04:02] i've never personally had a problem with amd cpus.. ati/radeon, is a completely different story [04:02] im sure i could quite happily use nvidia with amd, and enjoy far less problems [04:02] i mean i'm sure it's reasonably functional on windows, if that floats your boat [04:03] oh yeah.. i think i mentioned earlier this hardware is excellent under windows 7 [04:03] and thankfully it dual boots.. its just unfortunate i didnt make it a triple boot for oneiric [04:04] instead i stupidly chose to upgrade my natty installation.. and part of me would rather wait for things to unbreak in oneiric, than reinstall natty [04:04] because i can still use windows in the meantime.. or console ;) *shrugs* [04:12] how stable is 3.0rc7? [04:43] linux 3 is very stable [04:44] xorg and friends is a completely different story [04:44] daurnimator: about as stable as every other Linux RC. It's not really notable, despite the version bumb. [04:44] bump ** [05:16] rww: I want to use va-api with amd fusion (zacate); its apparently only in 39+ with optimisations in 3.0. [05:32] daurnimator: i love you [05:33] i think we're the only two people in the universe who owns an amd zacate platform and want to use it with linux ;) [05:35] i had vaapi working fine.. until a few days ago, when something exploded in x.org [05:35] and now i have black rectangles all over my display [05:36] if you have access to pre-release fglrx 11.7 for linux.. now is the time to say so :p [08:55] Hello, anyone care to give me a hand with an Ubuntu 11.10 box that boots in BusyBox right after the upgrade? At least how i can see what's wrong so i can do reinstalls with chrooting. I can't understand anything in dmesg [09:01] at least a guide on how to understand the output of dmesg? [09:02] !dmesg [09:02] dmesg is a console command which outputs the kernel ring buffer - an important log for diagnosing problems in Linux. Often when something errors with hardware it will result in additional lines reported which can be seen by running dmesg in a console. [09:03] eh, can i output it to a file then? since i can't see anything on the lines i can read, nothing like "Error" or "Warning" :/ [09:27] How would I switch the new unity switcher to be on Alt+Tab not Ctrl+tab? [09:28] Surely the convention would be to have put it on Super+Tab instead of messing with everyone's in-app tabbing? [12:04] Hmm.. cant seem to get the nvidia drivers working.. broke about 2 days ago. [12:06] dr_willis, and I was about to install :( [12:06] it was working.. then broke about 2 days ago. tried removing it.. cant seem to get the nv driver going either [12:09] dr_willis, oh man,, always n vidia but its not unusual at this stage [12:11] yea. but just seems odd its been broke for 3 days straight now. :) luckly i can irc/znc from the con sole. [12:11] One odd bug i noticed.. lightdm kept starting/crashing soo fast it looked like the console was flickering... [12:11] it never did error out like 'we crashed 100 times in 20 sec.... aborting...' :) [12:14] Hi I have question about unity. I don't see any button for reboot/shutdown etc [12:16] jamesbond2, see if ctrl+delete brings up the shutdown dialog UI [12:17] coz_: that doesn [12:17] mm [12:17] coz_: that doesn't work for me [12:18] jamesbond2, I was just about to install oneiric until I heard about nvidia issues,, unless they changed that keybinding it should have brought the shutdown dialog UI up [12:18] jamesbond2, sorry i is crl+alt+delete [12:18] jamesbond2, try that ^^^ [12:19] i get popup with logout option :) [12:19] jamesbond2, oh darn, it was changed then,, that's what happens on gnome3 also [12:20] ok [12:21] jamesbond2, I havent had anyone give me the command for the shutdown dialog UI on gnome3 which apparenlty is also on 11.10 now [12:21] jamesbond2, if I find it,, I will let you know :) [12:21] thnx coz_ [12:21] jamesbond2, this is a partiularly important one for me,, I use easystroke and need to associate that command with a gesture [12:22] it's bad that they have removed the button on the panel [12:23] jamesbond2, yeah,, I know [12:31] coz_ [12:31] i have the solution [12:31] ooo cool [12:31] jamesbond2, what is it? [12:31] indicator-messages-gtk2 [12:31] indicator-session-gtk2 [12:31] those packages are needed [12:31] jamesbond2, those are the commands? [12:32] jamesbond2, ah [12:32] jamesbond2, interesting they are not already installed [12:32] indeed [12:32] jamesbond2, perhaps at release they will be [12:34] coz_: i hope so [12:34] jamesbond2, did you install them, yet? [12:35] coz_: Yes and it's working [12:35] jamesbond2, with the same keybinding? [12:35] ctrl+alt+delete? [12:37] that is still only log out option. But the desktop show now the shutdown button [12:37] jamesbond2, then there has to be a keybinding / command to bring it up [12:42] ok [12:59] bRoas [13:00] wow [13:00] h00k was right [13:00] ctrl tab is over writing every other app [13:00] I can't use Pidgin anymore or Chormium [13:32] if anyone has *any* idea on how to remove ctrl+tab shortcut in unity/gnome3 PLEASE let me know! its USELESS like this [13:33] that would be a ccsm setting/plugin i think [13:33] I cant even get to X right now.. :) [13:34] let me check so [13:35] I recall compiz having like 4 differnt 'plugins' that could do that alt-tab stuff.. [13:35] differnt eyecaney/look was the main feature of them i recall. [13:36] thanks [13:36] THANK YOU [13:36] its the Unity plugin shortcut [13:36] h00k: ^^^^^^^ [13:38] wait [13:38] not its not [13:38] its disabled and still doesn't change it [13:38] fuuuuuuuuuu [13:53] disable all of them? :) disable compiz? Reconfigure the warp drive! [13:53] (watching startrek right now....) [13:55] :D [13:59] :) [14:01] snadge: sadly I do not; any progres on your end? [14:26] can anyone share some desktop-screenshots of gnome shell with me? [14:27] I cant even get 11.10 to boot to X at the moment. :) [14:28] natural...still in alpha :) [14:32] daurnimator: i gave up and have been trying to fix an unrelated performance issue in xbmc [14:32] i was going to try out unity-2d with fglrx.. to see if that worked [14:32] to see if its just a problem with compiz/nux [14:35] snadge: I tried to give up but i seem to have lost all my windows discs+isos >.< [14:38] Howdy [14:41] moo! [14:50] How now brown cow , what's new with you ? [14:50] dr_willis, :) [14:50] i've nearly cracked this xbmc issue though.. so i have renewed enthusiasm, this could be my first useful patch :p === Omega is now known as Troletariat === Troletariat is now known as Omega [14:53] snadge, which xbmc , the stand alone or the build ? [14:55] Playing with my 'boxee' box today. [14:56] there's more than 2 xbmc versions , now when I think about it [14:56] then the boxee spinoff. [14:57] got boxee and xbmc both on the PC in the front room. wife tends to perfer xbmc. [14:58] tried it for a while..found it too cluttered , and the menus are clunky , went back to vlc [14:58] xbmc that is [14:59] it has themes.. it also does 100x things then vlc does. :) [15:00] boxee seems to do more things then xbmc does even. [15:02] Coolest trick i learned for VLC, boxee, and xbmc is to use my android phone as a remote. :) [15:04] there's no shortage of media center apps for linux [15:05] we just wanted a player that plays the media without too much fuss [15:09] BluesKaj: its a mysql database performance issue with any version of xbmc [15:09] well i think only 11.0-pre which is latest git version has mysql support [15:09] most people dont use the mysql database option [15:10] but it becomes of use if you wish to share the same media collection amongst multiple clients [15:10] hi. how can I install gnome as it is in the oneiric-desktop-amd64.iso liveCD [15:11] yeah, I tried the git version, but it had too many undefeatable default options like subtitles in foreign languges that couldn't be turned off [15:11] you press t to turn subtitles off :p [15:11] snadge, ^ [15:11] onca: it should be that way by default. If your 3d drivers are set to work with Unity. [15:11] im compiling xbmc from source for what i want to do.. packages are a bit useless [15:12] im contributing to upstream.. ubuntu can wait :p [15:12] snadge, odd , that was my first try ...didn't turn anything on or off [15:12] T that is [15:12] i havn't seen that myself.. perhaps its a bug with a specific video or subtitle format i dont know [15:13] dr_willis, I understand, but say I'm trying to mimic on another instillation ? [15:13] it might be encoded into the video itself [15:13] play it with mplayer or something else ;) [15:13] maybe the version had too many flaws , I was running natty bets at the time ..integration was obviouslt iffy [15:14] vlc ftw [15:14] ahh things have changed since then.. if you tried it again, it would probably work [15:14] onca: on a differnet ubuntu version? [15:14] it compiled on natty without issues for me.. and oneiric as well, when it wasnt broken that is [15:15] ok [15:16] dr_willis, uhm, naw, gentoo. [15:16] * onca *squirms* [15:16] please. [15:16] onca: good luck with getting unity on gentoo. [15:16] unity .. [15:16] !unity [15:16] well, I'm sticking with VLC anyway ...it passes the digital audio like I set it up , relatively simple and direct [15:16] Unity is the default UI for Ubuntu 11.04. Unity is a shell for GNOME. see http://unity.ubuntu.com. You can still boot to GNOME; see !classic. [15:16] that's a new one to me [15:17] documentation here I come. [15:17] thank you dr_willis. [15:17] alright if I stick around? [15:34] how's the state of nvidia drivers on X with the new 3.0 kernel release ? [15:35] BluesKaj: Ther earen't any big changes in 3.0 (except the number) [15:37] penguin42, let me rephrase that..how's the kernel source support for nvidia ? [15:38] atm I can't install nvidia current via jockey [15:38] Ian_Corne: dont work here either... [15:38] penguin42, I'm on natty and thinking of upgrading , but my last try broke X [15:38] No nvidia for me.. for now. been patently waiting. :) [15:39] * yofel has nvidia working, but installed by apt-get [15:39] Intel works fine :-) [15:39] 275 *does* support kernel 3.0 in any case [15:39] my last issue with nvidia was udev/initrd related [15:41] yofel, how did yo fix that [15:41] I worked around it by forcing nouveau out of the initrd, but the bug is fixed by now [16:02] hmm - not exactly stable at the moment :-( [16:02] had to apt-get install nvidia-current --reinstall [16:02] but it works now [16:03] im testing this xbmc database performance patch :p [16:03] if it works and gets accepted that will be a defining moment hehe [16:05] How do I redefine the new Ctrl+Tab behaviour in Unity to be on Alt+Tab? [16:12] antihero: that would be a compiz plugin setting i imagine [16:13] dr_willis: cool [16:13] I dont even see a nvidia 275 version yofel :) I was using nvidia-current a few days ago.. then broke about 2 days back [16:15] dr_willis: Hmm, changed the logical options, has made no difference. I'll try reinit [16:16] ive seen compiz quirks in the past where changes in ccsm dont take affect till you relogin/out [16:17] dr_willis: I'vegot 275.09.07-0ubuntu4 installed atm [16:17] and it works [16:18] Hmm [16:18] dr_willis: Nope, just done that, even restarted GDM [16:18] I dont even see that version # Ian_Corne . just 96 and 173 [16:18] I do like the new switcher, just wish it replaced alt tab [16:19] ah, got it now [16:20] Had to use a biger hammer? [16:22] It just worked this time, when I had the old switcher enabled it asked to steal the hotkey and I said OK [16:22] this switcher is much faster and nicer [16:56] is anyone else having issues with fglrx drivers? [17:17] !info nvidia-current | dr_willis [17:17] dr_willis: nvidia-current (source: nvidia-graphics-drivers): NVIDIA binary Xorg driver, kernel module and VDPAU library. In component restricted, is optional. Version 275.09.07-0ubuntu4 (oneiric), package size 29079 kB, installed size 85284 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 lpia) [17:17] see, 275 ;) [17:20] Still getting lag on my touchpad on my Lenovo T420 that wasn't there on 11.04. [17:21] no lag on my t510 [17:21] Hmm. nvidia-current installed a differnt version here. [17:21] I just update/upgraded [17:22] dr_willis: what does apt-cache policy nvidia-current say? [17:22] let me check [17:22] there we go.. seems to be 275 now. [17:22] 275.09.07-0ubuntu4 0 [17:23] I just checked that like an hr or so ago. [17:35] installed and rebooting.. brb [17:54] Hmm. nvidia still fails to load. [17:54] Installed: 275.09.07-0ubuntu4 [17:55] (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module! [17:55] FATAL: Module nvidia not found. [17:56] dr_willis: what does dkms status say? [17:57] now thats.. interesting.. 2 differnt versions.. [17:58] willis@CowBuntu:/etc/X11$ dkms status [17:58] nvidia-173, 173.14.30, 3.0.0-5-generic, i686: installed [17:58] nvidia-current, 275.09.07, 3.0.0-6-generic, i686: installed [17:58] but one is for the older kernel if i read that right. [17:59] removeing the 173,and current, and reinstalling curent. [18:00] dkms status returns nothing now. [18:00] hm, is nouveau loaded? (check lsmod) [18:02] dosent seem to be [18:02] nvidia-current installed.. [18:02] dkms status [18:02] nvidia-current, 275.09.07, 3.0.0-6-generic, i686: installed [18:03] and i am using that kernel. :) [18:03] time to reboot and see i guess. [18:03] brb [18:06] have to break for a bit , be back later [18:09] I'm trying to install the propriatry wireless drivers, however when I do I get an error saying look at /var/log/jockey.log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/650742/ any ideas? [18:17] cjohnston: do you have the linux-headers package for your current kernel installed? I see a post on ubuntu forums that suggests that error is a result of the headers not being install when you try to activate the driver with jockey [18:18] trism: http://paste.ubuntu.com/650752/ it looks like it [18:54] yea. got X going now. [18:59] anyone having problems with windows+number not working on unity this week? [19:01] Hmm. not working at all here [19:01] shows text in some little search box at the bottom right here... [19:05] oh I don't get a search box, they just don't do anything [19:06] not sure that the box is .. little text entry field at buttom right [19:07] actually when imn in this termiunal window. i dont even get that.. the text goes here [19:07] 12345 [19:07] nod that's what I'm seeing [19:07] the #'s appear over the icons. but text goes here [19:08] if i open a file maanger window. and do it.. the text appears in a little box at the bottom left of the filemanager window [19:08] same as if i was not holding the win-key [19:12] so basically i can say.. yes. the win-key seem,s to do nothing other then make the #'s show on the icons... === yofel_ is now known as yofel [21:39] dr-willis: I get that - I pres winkey+# and nothing happens [21:39] yep. [21:40] they sort of fovus a lot pn keybord shorycuts in unity. sort of counterintuitive at times [21:41] win key is getting used for too many tjings. [22:12] I guess it's not doing much otherwise [22:27] upgraded to Oneiric , but desktop effects sttings are still ignored , I see === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang