earthling_ | Did you guys download the "base-files" recommended update from Update Manager? How important is it? | 00:03 |
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holstein | earthling_: whats up? | 00:03 |
earthling_ | hi holstein | 00:03 |
holstein | i usually look over the upgrades and take them | 00:03 |
earthling_ | it doesn't have any linked project page | 00:04 |
earthling_ | me too | 00:04 |
holstein | linked project? | 00:04 |
earthling_ | from Launch Pad or CVE | 00:04 |
earthling_ | etc.. | 00:04 |
holstein | i disable the update manager, and auto whatever | 00:04 |
holstein | i just run sudo apt-get update, and apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade when needed, and google what i need | 00:05 |
earthling_ | so you download all the recommended and important security updates? | 00:05 |
holstein | http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/base-files | 00:05 |
holstein | earthling_: unless i dont want/need one of them for some reason | 00:06 |
earthling_ | that page is from hardy heron version? that was the last time it was updated? | 00:07 |
holstein | http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/base-files | 00:07 |
earthling_ | I see it has a lot of versions | 00:07 |
holstein | http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/base-files | 00:07 |
holstein | it wont change in function | 00:07 |
holstein | http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/base-files | 00:08 |
earthling_ | I'm using lucid | 00:08 |
holstein | me too | 00:08 |
earthling_ | it says "essential" so I guess its pretty important | 00:08 |
holstein | well, its essential :) | 00:08 |
earthling_ | yep :) | 00:09 |
earthling_ | thx | 00:09 |
earthling_ | have you thought about updating to 10.10? | 00:09 |
holstein | hmmm... sure | 00:09 |
earthling_ | I'm happy with lucid, wonder if the next is better | 00:10 |
holstein | am i going to? | 00:10 |
holstein | nah | 00:10 |
holstein | i might install 11.10 on my netbook | 00:10 |
holstein | and i install ubuntustudio testing images often for all versions | 00:10 |
earthling_ | it does seem to slow down sometimes for me, I log out and log in and it speeds up | 00:10 |
earthling_ | I see | 00:10 |
earthling_ | testing images is that like booting from a usb drive? | 00:11 |
holstein | well, it could be... but i need to install them locally to test JACK with audio hardware | 00:12 |
holstein | for the most part, its gotta be on metal | 00:12 |
earthling_ | so its like dual boot system? | 00:13 |
earthling_ | partitions | 00:13 |
holstein | sometimes i can get away with that, but i have a spare box | 00:13 |
earthling_ | do programs need to be closed when I use Update Manager? | 00:39 |
earthling_ | I remember on windows it always said to close programs when installing new programs | 00:40 |
philipballew | no. you dont | 00:41 |
philipballew | earthling_, when it is installing updates no closing id required. maybe in some special circumstance, but nothing i have seen. | 00:41 |
earthling_ | interesting | 00:42 |
stlsaint | earthling_: he is correct, you can have programs open when installing, now when updating or upgrading a package like say firefox, you will have to restart firefox but that is it | 00:42 |
earthling_ | I see | 00:43 |
philipballew | but that is only after you have installed, and only to get the new features/patches | 00:43 |
philipballew | is there a way when installing ubuntu to select the packages i want to install when installing. I want to have a somewhat minimal. one task install on a old laptop | 02:16 |
holstein | philipballew: you could make your own live CD with something like UCK or remastersys | 02:16 |
nlsthzn | philipballew: or install minimal without GUI and go from there... easiest way is to install server edition... | 02:17 |
holstein | yeah, in the alternate installer theres a CLI only option | 02:17 |
philipballew | it has 128 mb of ram | 02:17 |
philipballew | i plan to upgrade soon though | 02:17 |
philipballew | want to find the one that will make the computer run fastest | 02:18 |
holstein | try http://zenix-os.net/ | 02:19 |
philipballew | looks intresting | 02:20 |
stlsaint | +1 for zenix | 02:21 |
philipballew | never heard of it | 02:21 |
nlsthzn | can laso look at bodhi in that case... | 02:22 |
philipballew | currently it has debian cli only on it | 02:22 |
stlsaint | philipballew: what does? | 02:26 |
holstein | the lappy with 128 of ram ^^ | 02:26 |
stlsaint | philipballew: if zenix isnt your fancy you will want to check out lubuntu | 02:29 |
philipballew | will lxde run on that little ram? | 02:29 |
philipballew | might not | 02:29 |
stlsaint | philipballew: lubuntu can | 02:29 |
stlsaint | philipballew: feel free to join the #lubuntu and #lubuntu-offtopic channels to chat it up with them | 02:30 |
philipballew | but without slowing down all the time? | 02:30 |
stlsaint | philipballew: depends on what you will be doing | 02:30 |
stlsaint | philipballew: you cannot expect a 2GB ram performance with only 128 mb | 02:30 |
philipballew | playing music | 02:30 |
holstein | philipballew: you got 128 of ram... | 02:30 |
philipballew | i can up it if i decide its worth the 20 bucks | 02:31 |
stlsaint | philipballew: if playing music all you will be doing then why even install an entire OS? | 02:31 |
philipballew | here is what i wanna do. | 02:31 |
stlsaint | philipballew: go with a minimal install, install fluxbox IF you really need gui and use a cli based music player | 02:32 |
philipballew | have a machine hooked up to a external hard drive with all my music and play the files from there | 02:32 |
philipballew | or say ssh into my desktop and just grab them | 02:32 |
holstein | yeah, mp3blaster, something ncurses or CLI | 02:32 |
philipballew | i have csum | 02:32 |
stlsaint | philipballew: my suggestion still stands | 02:33 |
stlsaint | philipballew: dont even bother installing an entire os | 02:33 |
holstein | you could have speakers hooked up to it, and run a player in screen, connect and reconnect via SSH | 02:33 |
philipballew | what exactly would you do | 02:33 |
holstein | or stream as an ssh share or whatever... | 02:33 |
philipballew | im gonna plug the laptop into my home speakers | 02:33 |
holstein | you dont *need* x for any of that really | 02:33 |
philipballew | cli would give me some good geek cred | 02:34 |
stlsaint | philipballew: do a debian minimal install and just play music, if you go trying to make your music available to others within your home than that 128mb is not going to cut it | 02:42 |
stlsaint | philipballew: dont go installing no webserver to allow webinterface playing or nothing like that | 02:42 |
stlsaint | philipballew: although having your own streaming music server does rock | 02:42 |
philipballew | true. i can up the ram to 6 hundred somthing | 02:42 |
* stlsaint set one up! | 02:42 | |
philipballew | philipballew, might tonight | 02:43 |
* philipballew might tonight | 02:43 | |
stlsaint | philipballew: if you do you will have to up the ram, i would suggest at minimum 1GB | 02:43 |
holstein | and thats not worth it | 02:44 |
stlsaint | holstein: thats only if a actual music streaming server is setup | 02:44 |
holstein | old ram like that can cost more, you could spend 80 bucks getting that up to 1gb | 02:44 |
holstein | or more | 02:44 |
stlsaint | philipballew: if your staying local than 128 will be fine | 02:44 |
holstein | i got my eeepc 1.6Ghz with 1gig of ram for $150 | 02:45 |
holstein | US ^^ | 02:45 |
philipballew | holstein, how? | 02:50 |
holstein | philipballew: ?? | 02:51 |
philipballew | holstein, the netbook. haha? | 02:51 |
philipballew | its a good deal | 02:51 |
holstein | OH.. used | 02:51 |
holstein | im just sayin, you dont want to spend *any* cash on an old laptop | 02:51 |
philipballew | stlsaint, well good enough for me, ebay has it for 24 | 02:51 |
holstein | not when they are bascially giving away atom netbooks these days | 02:52 |
philipballew | but not sure if that even worth it | 02:52 |
philipballew | they now come with ubuntu pre installed | 02:52 |
Semitones_tea | hello :) | 02:58 |
stlsaint | hey folks would somebody mind giving Semitones_tea a hand | 02:59 |
stlsaint | i believe he has a xorg issue but i must leave | 02:59 |
Semitones_tea | I got referred here by #lubuntu, I seem to be stuck with a weird xorg issue that keeps me from using my computer | 02:59 |
Semitones_tea | as stlsaint says :) | 02:59 |
stlsaint | Semitones_tea: oh hey do you have a usb drive that works? can your computer boot via usb? | 02:59 |
stlsaint | Semitones_tea: if so that boot a linux live cd, mount your computers hdd, edit your xorg.conf, (first make a backup of it to xorg.conf.old or .bak) | 03:00 |
Semitones_tea | stlsaint, only if I use PloP from a cd, I'm afraid. It is a rather old computer | 03:00 |
stlsaint | Semitones_tea: oh :| | 03:00 |
stlsaint | Semitones_tea: are you dual booting this system? | 03:00 |
Semitones_tea | stlsaint, it has two hard drives, but I think only one operating system | 03:01 |
holstein | plop is awesome :) | 03:01 |
Semitones_tea | it is | 03:01 |
stlsaint | Semitones_tea: i dont know what plop is but you need to find a way to get into a livecd/usb | 03:02 |
stlsaint | i must go now, sorry to leave like this | 03:03 |
holstein | stlsaint: you can boot a CD with plop on it, and access USB media to boot it | 03:03 |
Semitones_tea | that's ok, thanks a lot for all your help getting me started | 03:03 |
holstein | on older hardare that doesnt USB boot :) | 03:03 |
holstein | Semitones_tea: i would try booting an older kernel | 03:04 |
stlsaint | Semitones_tea: ok well you need to get into that live environment and mv xorg to a backup or rename it basically | 03:04 |
holstein | you can also try the recovery kernel | 03:04 |
stlsaint | so then you will not have a xorg.conf but instead you will just have xorg.conf.bak then reboot | 03:04 |
stlsaint | holstein: cannot get grub | 03:04 |
holstein | you'll want to do what stlsaint suggests before breaking the current xorg | 03:04 |
holstein | yeah? | 03:05 |
holstein | thats odd | 03:05 |
holstein | Semitones_tea: in that case, i would test the hard drive | 03:05 |
holstein | maybe run fdisk | 03:05 |
stlsaint | Semitones_tea: post the error you were getting | 03:05 |
stlsaint | it has xorg written all over it | 03:05 |
Semitones_tea | ok hold on I'll go start it | 03:05 |
holstein | for all this stuff, you'll need a live CD though | 03:05 |
stlsaint | yep | 03:05 |
Semitones_tea | the cd drive worked until not long ago | 03:05 |
stlsaint | alright im out | 03:06 |
Semitones_tea | alright, thanks stlsaint :D | 03:06 |
Semitones_tea | holstein, do you think the cd drive could be misconfigured in BIOS? | 03:06 |
holstein | Semitones_tea: if you cant boot some live media, you'll have a very challenging time | 03:06 |
stlsaint | Semitones_tea: is this a laptop of desktop? (i think desktop as you said two drives) | 03:07 |
Semitones_tea | it is a desktop, a Gateway P3 | 03:07 |
holstein | good | 03:07 |
holstein | so you're only a couple bucks away from an optical drive | 03:07 |
Semitones_tea | oh awesome :D | 03:08 |
Semitones_tea | where can I get one? | 03:08 |
holstein | they are cheap new | 03:08 |
philipballew | new egg? | 03:08 |
holstein | but, i see them at the charity shops all the tiime | 03:08 |
holstein | time* | 03:09 |
holstein | Semitones_tea: if you were near me, i literally have a stack you could go through | 03:09 |
philipballew | i have one... but shipping defeats that purpose | 03:09 |
philipballew | i am in ca myself | 03:09 |
philipballew | ebay has good ones | 03:10 |
holstein | eh... id just keep an eye on the charity shops | 03:10 |
Semitones_tea | ok I'll see what I can find | 03:10 |
Semitones_tea | any IDE optical drive will work? | 03:10 |
holstein | if you are looking in the righ trash can, you'll find one ;) | 03:10 |
philipballew | yeah | 03:10 |
Semitones_tea | haha | 03:11 |
philipballew | it helps if you know that guy who fixes everybody's computers. he'd have some | 03:11 |
Semitones_tea | hold on, I'm going to restart and tell you the error message | 03:11 |
* philipballew wished i wasnt that guy | 03:11 | |
holstein | lol | 03:11 |
CLF1 | IT's all good! | 03:12 |
semitones_ | hey so how do I disconnect the IDE ribbon from the cdrom drive? | 03:21 |
semitones_ | I have another one I can slide in | 03:21 |
holstein | stlsaint: just carefully really | 03:22 |
holstein | try and pull it out straight, and all at once, so you dont bend the pins | 03:22 |
philipballew | hold the sides | 03:22 |
holstein | but, if its bad, you can learn from a mistake on it ;) | 03:23 |
semitones_ | i can't really get a good grip :p | 03:23 |
holstein | i just yank it out | 03:23 |
holstein | but, i have IDE cables, and extra drives | 03:23 |
philipballew | where you get them holstein ? | 03:24 |
semitones_ | pulling on the ribbon seemed to work :P | 03:25 |
holstein | philipballew: i strip dead machines | 03:25 |
philipballew | nice.! | 03:25 |
holstein | yeah, comes in handy | 03:26 |
semitones_ | well i swapped in a new cdrom, bios still says it can't detect a cd rom | 03:30 |
semitones_ | maybe the bios is wrong? | 03:30 |
holstein | semitones_: ive seen them where you can set the IDE channels to auto | 03:30 |
holstein | you'll want that | 03:31 |
holstein | its challenging because all the bioses are quite different | 03:31 |
semitones_ | ok this is the error I get: x session: unable to launch "startlxde" X session -- "startlxde" not found; falling back to the default session. (okay) | 03:32 |
holstein | semitones_: so, you are getting to grub then | 03:32 |
holstein | you might just have it hidden | 03:32 |
philipballew | hold shift | 03:32 |
philipballew | or press after bios | 03:32 |
holstein | yeah, you should be able to hit control+alt+F2 | 03:33 |
holstein | control+alt+F7 should get you back where you are | 03:33 |
holstein | but, that might get you a terminal window you can work in | 03:33 |
semitones_ | "ide controler" was set to primary, I changed it to "both" | 03:33 |
holstein | semitones_: thats not too bad | 03:33 |
semitones_ | still not getting to grub, virtual terminals still don't work | 03:33 |
semitones_ | trying to boot again with 'both' | 03:34 |
holstein | semitones_: you wont see LXDE errors like that unless you are getting in | 03:34 |
holstein | at least, thats what i think... | 03:34 |
holstein | http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=142&t=69364 | 03:35 |
semitones_ | sweet now it finds the cd rom :D | 03:35 |
holstein | http://www.forumubuntusoftware.info/viewtopic.php?f=71&t=5553 | 03:35 |
semitones_ | holstein, that's why it's so weird that I can't get a virtual terminal! | 03:35 |
holstein | semitones_: i think you have grub hidden | 03:36 |
semitones_ | I think so too | 03:36 |
holstein | hit the shift key while booting like philipballew says | 03:36 |
semitones_ | holding shift is supposed to start it, but that hasn't been working | 03:36 |
holstein | after the bios splash just start tapping it | 03:36 |
holstein | you can boot a live CD and unhide it | 03:37 |
semitones_ | I got the live cd to start though, so I'm going to unhide it that way | 03:37 |
holstein | semitones_: you need to *not* mess around too much in there | 03:37 |
semitones_ | is chroot still the preferred method? | 03:37 |
holstein | i dont think this is a serious issue | 03:37 |
holstein | i think you could do more damage than good trying to mess about too much | 03:37 |
semitones_ | holstein, how does reinstalling lubuntu from the live cd sound to you :p | 03:38 |
holstein | semitones_: fine, a little overkill though | 03:38 |
semitones_ | doesn't solve the mystery I'm afraid, but I'd be happy with it | 03:38 |
holstein | IF reminstalling is an option, then, i would try some more serious things before you wipe | 03:39 |
semitones_ | holstein, ok how about unhiding grub first | 03:39 |
holstein | try unhiding grub, and going to recovery, and making a differnt user account | 03:39 |
holstein | try checking for ugrades | 03:39 |
holstein | if you're OK reinstalling, then, you really cant break anything too bad... | 03:40 |
holstein | most folks freak about reinstalling... | 03:40 |
semitones_ | I don't think there's much on this hard drive, so I'd kind of like a fresh start actually | 03:41 |
philipballew | would take less time | 03:41 |
holstein | yeah, id mess with it a bit for educationaly purposes... in case it comes up again, but not too long | 03:41 |
holstein | educational* | 03:42 |
holstein | semitones_: good luck | 03:43 |
holstein | philipballew: o/ | 03:43 |
* holstein is outty... GN all | 03:43 | |
semitones_ | gnite holstein, thanks a bunch :D | 03:44 |
philipballew | if i'm copy a bunch on my desktop over ssh from my laptop. while the files are copying, can i exit ssh session or while that stop the copy prossess? | 03:54 |
semitones_ | does my hard drive absolutely need two jumper pins for it to be the master one | 04:00 |
philipballew | do you only have one? | 04:00 |
semitones_ | yeah | 04:00 |
semitones_ | it is all the way on the right | 04:00 |
semitones_ | well I had two hard drives | 04:01 |
semitones_ | but I took out the old one that was "master" | 04:01 |
semitones_ | now the BIOS doesn't know I have any hard drives | 04:01 |
philipballew | can you change the bios? | 04:02 |
semitones_ | hold on i'll try | 04:02 |
philipballew | okay | 04:02 |
philipballew | never done this before myself | 04:02 |
semitones_ | philipballew, hey looks like it is installing fine now. Thanks for all your help! | 05:08 |
philipballew | semitones, no problem! what did you do? | 05:10 |
Semitones_tea | I just had to restart and enter bios setup a few times | 05:14 |
Semitones_tea | I don't know if I changed anything really | 05:14 |
Semitones_tea | it's installing lubuntu right now | 05:14 |
Semitones_tea | I'm trying to convince my dad that lubuntu will be easier for my aunt to use than windows 98 | 05:15 |
philipballew | what does your aunt need to do? | 05:18 |
Semitones_tea | type letters and print them, as far as I can tell | 05:19 |
Semitones_tea | no internet | 05:19 |
philipballew | well libre office can do good then right? | 05:20 |
Semitones_tea | yeah | 05:21 |
Semitones_tea | he thinks that she'll run into problems and nobody where she lives will know how to fix them | 05:21 |
philipballew | you can fix it though? | 05:26 |
philipballew | semitones, ssh, remote desktop? | 05:26 |
Semitones_tea | no internet :p | 05:40 |
Semitones_tea | but yeah I could help them over the phone | 05:40 |
philipballew | who doesnt have internet | 05:46 |
quiXotic | how can i tell if i'm running unity or the older version? | 05:54 |
Error404NotFoun1 | ['04rfvg | 05:54 |
Error404NotFoun1 | system | 05:55 |
Error404NotFoun1 | about ubuntu | 05:55 |
philipballew | quiXotic, open a terminal and type: | 05:57 |
philipballew | lsb_release -a | 05:58 |
Error404NotFoun1 | or just hit system about ubuntu lol | 05:58 |
philipballew | but hes running unity most likely | 05:59 |
philipballew | system is not an option | 05:59 |
Error404NotFoun1 | if he has tool bar on right its unity lol | 05:59 |
Error404NotFoun1 | left | 05:59 |
Error404NotFoun1 | w/e | 05:59 |
philipballew | but i was gonna let him figure that out! | 06:00 |
philipballew | :) | 06:00 |
quiXotic | okay i did and it said no LSB modules are available | 06:01 |
quiXotic | and no i dont have the tool bar on the left | 06:02 |
quiXotic | trying to get the launcher working, mainly | 06:02 |
philipballew | " lsb_release -a" without quotes | 06:03 |
philipballew | whats not working? | 06:03 |
quiXotic | did, same msg | 06:04 |
quiXotic | the launcher is the only thing i've noticed/wanted. looking at it on the ubuntu site | 06:04 |
philipballew | whats your desktop look like now | 06:05 |
quiXotic | task bar is on the bottom, show desktop button the left side, workspaces/trash on right | 06:06 |
quiXotic | top sections looks the same as other screens ive seen | 06:07 |
philipballew | do a screen shot and email it to me. | 06:12 |
philipballew | ill tell you alot | 06:12 |
philipballew | philipballew@ubuntu.com | 06:12 |
quiXotic | oops, just logged out and saw ubuntu classic was selected, selected unity and now i have what i want :) | 06:13 |
philipballew | thats good! | 06:13 |
Error404NotFoun1 | unity blows | 06:14 |
philipballew | i like it | 06:14 |
quiXotic | actually i like it a lot better | 06:14 |
quiXotic | and ive seen it for about 35 seconds | 06:14 |
philipballew | i like how i can accsess the terminal quicklt | 06:17 |
Error404NotFoun1 | so do i | 06:20 |
Error404NotFoun1 | i hit a button | 06:20 |
Error404NotFoun1 | on docky | 06:20 |
quiXotic | i just used ctrl alt t | 06:22 |
quiXotic | but then again i love my keyboard shortcuts | 06:22 |
philipballew | has anyone ever herd of a way where i can power things on and off via my computer | 08:32 |
philipballew | like my lamp next to my computer, i wanna turn that on and off via my desktop | 08:33 |
ina_ | Running Natty on X86-64. I must have deleted my home folder, this is the scenario. It was an ordinary file between my other files not hidden not ./ so I thought this is strange an I deleted It, and that is where my woes began, Logging in I get this:-1st screen:- could not update ICEauthority File/home/user//.ICEauthority. 2nd screen:- There is a problem with the configuration server (usr/lib/libconf2-4/gconfig-sanity-check-2exited with status 256) 3rd | 09:51 |
ina_ | screen _:- nautilus could not create the following required folders:/home/user/desctop/home/user/nautilus, Before running nautilus, please create these folders, or set permissions such that nautilus can create them. Help would be greatly appreciated. | 09:51 |
Sidewinder1 | ina_, I can't really answer your questions, sorry... You might want to ask in #ubuntu, there's a lot of knowledgeable folks there. | 09:54 |
ina_ | Thanx Sidewinder | 09:55 |
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brian_ | Hi. Newbie here to Ubuntu and gobsmacked at how good it is. One problem I cannot seem to solve though. I have an Acer Aspire laptop and a 17" monitor attached, in portrait mode for documents. When I start the laptop, the menu offering win7 or ubuntu opens on laptop screen and when I click on ubunti it changes to 2nd monitot and laptop stays blank. I went into monitor settings and got resolution and orientation on | 15:03 |
brian_ | 2nd monitor | 15:03 |
brian_ | <brian> correct but the laptop remains stubbornly blank. nothing I change seems to make a difference. Any ideas? Cheers | 15:03 |
zachary | I need help installing a tar.gz. Anyone got any useful knowledge? | 17:50 |
Abhijit | !compile | zachary | 17:52 |
ubot2 | zachary: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first) | 17:52 |
nit-wit | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingEasyHowTo step 2 | 17:53 |
Abhijit | zachary, general way is to extract it then do ./configure, make and make install | 17:53 |
zachary | I've successfully extracted, but when i try to make it says makefile not found | 17:54 |
nit-wit | zachary, what is the tar. | 17:56 |
zachary | utorrent-server-v3_0 | 17:56 |
nit-wit | zachary, here is a specific link that might help, http://forum.utorrent.com/viewtopic.php?id=84274 | 17:59 |
zachary | Hmm. That ought to do it. Thanks very much. | 18:00 |
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stevethepirate_ | Does anyone know where the scripts are for horos? | 21:47 |
stevethepirate_ | hello? | 21:52 |
duanedesign | horos? | 22:22 |
duanedesign | ahh, the kdm theme? | 22:23 |
stevethepirate_ | yes - wanted scripts that pertained to horos :) | 22:24 |
stevethepirate_ | brb | 22:24 |
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