[00:03] <earthling_> Did you guys download the "base-files" recommended update from Update Manager?  How important is it?
[00:03] <holstein> earthling_: whats up?
[00:03] <earthling_> hi holstein
[00:03] <holstein> i usually look over the upgrades and take them
[00:04] <earthling_> it doesn't have any linked project page
[00:04] <earthling_> me too
[00:04] <holstein> linked project?
[00:04] <earthling_> from Launch Pad or CVE
[00:04] <earthling_> etc..
[00:04] <holstein> i disable the update manager, and auto whatever
[00:05] <holstein> i just run sudo apt-get update, and apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade when needed, and google what i need
[00:05] <earthling_> so you download all the recommended and important security updates?
[00:05] <holstein> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/base-files
[00:06] <holstein> earthling_: unless i dont want/need one of them for some reason
[00:07] <earthling_> that page is from hardy heron version? that was the last time it was updated?
[00:07] <holstein> http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/base-files
[00:07] <earthling_> I see it has a lot of versions
[00:07] <holstein> http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/base-files
[00:07] <holstein> it wont change in function
[00:08] <holstein> http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/base-files
[00:08] <earthling_> I'm using lucid
[00:08] <holstein> me too
[00:08] <earthling_> it says "essential" so I guess its pretty important
[00:08] <holstein> well, its essential :)
[00:09] <earthling_> yep :)
[00:09] <earthling_> thx
[00:09] <earthling_> have you thought about updating to 10.10?
[00:09] <holstein> hmmm... sure
[00:10] <earthling_> I'm happy with lucid, wonder if the next is better
[00:10] <holstein> am i going to?
[00:10] <holstein> nah
[00:10] <holstein> i might install 11.10 on my netbook
[00:10] <holstein> and i install ubuntustudio testing images often for all versions
[00:10] <earthling_> it does seem to slow down sometimes for me, I log out and log in and it speeds up
[00:10] <earthling_> I see
[00:11] <earthling_> testing images is that like booting from a usb drive?
[00:12] <holstein> well, it could be... but i need to install them locally to test JACK with audio hardware
[00:12] <holstein> for the most part, its gotta be on metal
[00:13] <earthling_> so its like dual boot system?
[00:13] <earthling_> partitions
[00:13] <holstein> sometimes i can get away with that, but i have a spare box
[00:39] <earthling_> do programs need to be closed when I use Update Manager?
[00:40] <earthling_> I remember on windows it always said to close programs when installing new programs
[00:41] <philipballew> no. you dont
[00:41] <philipballew> earthling_, when it is installing updates no closing id required. maybe in some special circumstance, but nothing i have seen.
[00:42] <earthling_> interesting
[00:42] <stlsaint> earthling_: he is correct, you can have programs open when installing, now when updating or upgrading a package like say firefox, you will have to restart firefox but that is it
[00:43] <earthling_> I see
[00:43] <philipballew> but that is only after you have installed, and only to get the new features/patches
[02:16] <philipballew> is there a way when installing ubuntu to select the packages i want to install when installing. I want to have a somewhat minimal. one task install on a old laptop
[02:16] <holstein> philipballew: you could make your own live CD with something like UCK or remastersys
[02:17] <nlsthzn> philipballew: or install minimal without GUI and go from there... easiest way is to install server edition...
[02:17] <holstein> yeah, in the alternate installer theres a CLI only option
[02:17] <philipballew> it has 128 mb of ram
[02:17] <philipballew> i plan to upgrade soon though
[02:18] <philipballew> want to find the one that will make the computer run fastest
[02:19] <holstein> try http://zenix-os.net/
[02:20] <philipballew> looks intresting
[02:21] <stlsaint> +1 for zenix
[02:21] <philipballew> never heard of it
[02:22] <nlsthzn> can laso look at bodhi in that case...
[02:22] <philipballew> currently it has debian cli only on it
[02:26] <stlsaint> philipballew: what does?
[02:26] <holstein> the lappy with 128 of ram ^^
[02:29] <stlsaint> philipballew: if zenix isnt your fancy you will want to check out lubuntu
[02:29] <philipballew> will lxde run on that little ram?
[02:29] <philipballew> might not
[02:29] <stlsaint> philipballew: lubuntu can
[02:30] <stlsaint> philipballew: feel free to join the #lubuntu and #lubuntu-offtopic channels to chat it up with them
[02:30] <philipballew> but without slowing down all the time?
[02:30] <stlsaint> philipballew: depends on what you will be doing
[02:30] <stlsaint> philipballew: you cannot expect a 2GB ram performance with only 128 mb
[02:30] <philipballew> playing music
[02:30] <holstein> philipballew: you got 128 of ram...
[02:31] <philipballew> i can up it if i decide its worth the 20 bucks
[02:31] <stlsaint> philipballew: if playing music all you will be doing then why even install an entire OS?
[02:31] <philipballew> here is what i wanna do.
[02:32] <stlsaint> philipballew: go with a minimal install, install fluxbox IF you really need gui and use a cli based music player
[02:32] <philipballew> have a machine hooked up to a external hard drive with all my music and play the files from there
[02:32] <philipballew> or say ssh into my desktop and just grab them
[02:32] <holstein> yeah, mp3blaster, something ncurses or CLI
[02:32] <philipballew> i have csum
[02:33] <stlsaint> philipballew: my suggestion still stands
[02:33] <stlsaint> philipballew: dont even bother installing an entire os
[02:33] <holstein> you could have speakers hooked up to it, and run a player in screen, connect and reconnect via SSH
[02:33] <philipballew> what exactly would you do
[02:33] <holstein> or stream as an ssh share or whatever...
[02:33] <philipballew> im gonna plug the laptop into my home speakers
[02:33] <holstein> you dont *need* x for any of that really
[02:34] <philipballew> cli would give me some good geek cred
[02:42] <stlsaint> philipballew: do a debian minimal install and just play music, if you go trying to make your music available to others within your home than that 128mb is not going to cut it
[02:42] <stlsaint> philipballew: dont go installing no webserver to allow webinterface playing or nothing like that
[02:42] <stlsaint> philipballew: although having your own streaming music server does rock
[02:42] <philipballew> true. i can up the ram to 6 hundred somthing
[02:42]  * stlsaint set one up!
[02:43] <philipballew> philipballew, might tonight
[02:43]  * philipballew might tonight
[02:43] <stlsaint> philipballew: if you do you will have to up the ram, i would suggest at minimum 1GB
[02:44] <holstein> and thats not worth it
[02:44] <stlsaint> holstein: thats only if a actual music streaming server is setup
[02:44] <holstein> old ram like that can cost more, you could spend 80 bucks getting that up to 1gb
[02:44] <holstein> or more
[02:44] <stlsaint> philipballew: if your staying local than 128 will be fine
[02:45] <holstein> i got my eeepc 1.6Ghz with 1gig of ram for $150
[02:45] <holstein> US ^^
[02:50] <philipballew> holstein, how?
[02:51] <holstein> philipballew: ??
[02:51] <philipballew> holstein, the netbook. haha?
[02:51] <philipballew> its a good deal
[02:51] <holstein> OH.. used
[02:51] <holstein> im just sayin, you dont want to spend *any* cash on an old laptop
[02:51] <philipballew> stlsaint, well good enough for me, ebay has it for 24
[02:52] <holstein> not when they are bascially giving away atom netbooks these days
[02:52] <philipballew> but not sure if that even worth it
[02:52] <philipballew> they now come with ubuntu pre installed
[02:58] <Semitones_tea> hello :)
[02:59] <stlsaint> hey folks would somebody mind giving Semitones_tea a hand
[02:59] <stlsaint> i believe he has a xorg issue but i must leave
[02:59] <Semitones_tea> I got referred here by #lubuntu, I seem to be stuck with a weird xorg issue that keeps me from using my computer
[02:59] <Semitones_tea> as stlsaint says :)
[02:59] <stlsaint> Semitones_tea: oh hey do you have a usb drive that works? can your computer boot via usb?
[03:00] <stlsaint> Semitones_tea: if so that boot a linux live cd, mount your computers hdd, edit your xorg.conf, (first make a backup of it to xorg.conf.old or .bak)
[03:00] <Semitones_tea> stlsaint, only if I use PloP from a cd, I'm afraid. It is a rather old computer
[03:00] <stlsaint> Semitones_tea: oh :|
[03:00] <stlsaint> Semitones_tea: are you dual booting this system?
[03:01] <Semitones_tea> stlsaint, it has two hard drives, but I think only one operating system
[03:01] <holstein> plop is awesome :)
[03:01] <Semitones_tea> it is
[03:02] <stlsaint> Semitones_tea: i dont know what plop is but you need to find a way to get into a livecd/usb
[03:03] <stlsaint> i must go now, sorry to leave like this
[03:03] <holstein> stlsaint: you can boot a CD with plop on it, and access USB media to boot it
[03:03] <Semitones_tea> that's ok, thanks a lot for all your help getting me started
[03:03] <holstein> on older hardare that doesnt USB boot :)
[03:04] <holstein> Semitones_tea: i would try booting an older kernel
[03:04] <stlsaint> Semitones_tea: ok well you need to get into that live environment and mv xorg to a backup or rename it basically
[03:04] <holstein> you can also try the recovery kernel
[03:04] <stlsaint> so then you will not have a xorg.conf but instead you will just have xorg.conf.bak then reboot
[03:04] <stlsaint> holstein: cannot get grub
[03:04] <holstein> you'll want to do what stlsaint suggests before breaking the current xorg
[03:05] <holstein> yeah?
[03:05] <holstein> thats odd
[03:05] <holstein> Semitones_tea: in that case, i would test the hard drive
[03:05] <holstein> maybe run fdisk
[03:05] <stlsaint> Semitones_tea: post the error you were getting
[03:05] <stlsaint> it has xorg written all over it
[03:05] <Semitones_tea> ok hold on I'll go start it
[03:05] <holstein> for all this stuff, you'll need a live CD though
[03:05] <stlsaint> yep
[03:05] <Semitones_tea> the cd drive worked until not long ago
[03:06] <stlsaint> alright im out
[03:06] <Semitones_tea> alright, thanks stlsaint :D
[03:06] <Semitones_tea> holstein, do you think the cd drive could be misconfigured in BIOS?
[03:06] <holstein> Semitones_tea: if you cant boot some live media, you'll have a very challenging time
[03:07] <stlsaint> Semitones_tea: is this a laptop of desktop? (i think desktop as you said two drives)
[03:07] <Semitones_tea> it is a desktop, a Gateway P3
[03:07] <holstein> good
[03:07] <holstein> so you're only a couple bucks away from an optical drive
[03:08] <Semitones_tea> oh awesome :D
[03:08] <Semitones_tea> where can I get one?
[03:08] <holstein> they are cheap new
[03:08] <philipballew> new egg?
[03:08] <holstein> but, i see them at the charity shops all the tiime
[03:09] <holstein> time*
[03:09] <holstein> Semitones_tea: if you were near me, i literally have a stack you could go through
[03:09] <philipballew> i have one... but shipping defeats that purpose
[03:09] <philipballew> i am in ca myself
[03:10] <philipballew> ebay has good ones
[03:10] <holstein> eh... id just keep an eye on the charity shops
[03:10] <Semitones_tea> ok I'll see what I can find
[03:10] <Semitones_tea> any IDE optical drive will work?
[03:10] <holstein> if you are looking in the righ trash can, you'll find one ;)
[03:10] <philipballew> yeah
[03:11] <Semitones_tea> haha
[03:11] <philipballew> it helps if you know that guy who fixes everybody's computers. he'd have some
[03:11] <Semitones_tea> hold on, I'm going to restart and tell you the error message
[03:11]  * philipballew wished i wasnt that guy
[03:11] <holstein> lol
[03:12] <CLF1> IT's all good!
[03:21] <semitones_> hey so how do I disconnect the IDE ribbon from the cdrom drive?
[03:21] <semitones_> I have another one I can slide in
[03:22] <holstein> stlsaint: just carefully really
[03:22] <holstein> try and pull it out straight, and all at once, so you dont bend the pins
[03:22] <philipballew> hold the sides
[03:23] <holstein> but, if its bad, you can learn from a mistake on it ;)
[03:23] <semitones_> i can't really get a good grip :p
[03:23] <holstein> i just yank it out
[03:23] <holstein> but, i have IDE cables, and extra drives
[03:24] <philipballew> where you get them holstein ?
[03:25] <semitones_> pulling on the ribbon seemed to work :P
[03:25] <holstein> philipballew: i strip dead machines
[03:25] <philipballew> nice.!
[03:26] <holstein> yeah, comes in handy
[03:30] <semitones_> well i swapped in a new cdrom, bios still says it can't detect a cd rom
[03:30] <semitones_> maybe the bios is wrong?
[03:30] <holstein> semitones_: ive seen them where you can set the IDE channels to auto
[03:31] <holstein> you'll want that
[03:31] <holstein> its challenging because all the bioses are quite different
[03:32] <semitones_> ok this is the error I get: x session: unable to launch "startlxde" X session -- "startlxde" not found; falling back to the default session. (okay)
[03:32] <holstein> semitones_: so, you are getting to grub then
[03:32] <holstein> you might just have it hidden
[03:32] <philipballew> hold shift
[03:32] <philipballew> or press after bios
[03:33] <holstein> yeah, you should be able to hit control+alt+F2
[03:33] <holstein> control+alt+F7 should get you back where you are
[03:33] <holstein> but, that might get you a terminal window you can work in
[03:33] <semitones_> "ide controler" was set to primary, I changed it to "both"
[03:33] <holstein> semitones_: thats not too bad
[03:33] <semitones_> still not getting to grub, virtual terminals still don't work
[03:34] <semitones_> trying to boot again with 'both'
[03:34] <holstein> semitones_: you wont see LXDE errors like that unless you are getting in
[03:34] <holstein> at least, thats what i think...
[03:35] <holstein> http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=142&t=69364
[03:35] <semitones_> sweet now it finds the cd rom :D
[03:35] <holstein> http://www.forumubuntusoftware.info/viewtopic.php?f=71&t=5553
[03:35] <semitones_> holstein, that's why it's so weird that I can't get a virtual terminal!
[03:36] <holstein> semitones_: i think you have grub hidden
[03:36] <semitones_> I think so too
[03:36] <holstein> hit the shift key while booting like philipballew says
[03:36] <semitones_> holding shift is supposed to start it, but that hasn't been working
[03:36] <holstein> after the bios splash just start tapping it
[03:37] <holstein> you can boot a live CD and unhide it
[03:37] <semitones_> I got the live cd to start though, so I'm going to unhide it that way
[03:37] <holstein> semitones_: you need to *not* mess around too much in there
[03:37] <semitones_> is chroot still the preferred method?
[03:37] <holstein> i dont think this is a serious issue
[03:37] <holstein> i think you could do more damage than good trying to mess about too much
[03:38] <semitones_> holstein, how does reinstalling lubuntu from the live cd sound to you :p
[03:38] <holstein> semitones_: fine, a little overkill though
[03:38] <semitones_> doesn't solve the mystery I'm afraid, but I'd be happy with it
[03:39] <holstein> IF reminstalling is an option, then, i would try some more serious things before you wipe
[03:39] <semitones_> holstein, ok how about unhiding grub first
[03:39] <holstein> try unhiding grub, and going to recovery, and making a differnt user account
[03:39] <holstein> try checking for ugrades
[03:40] <holstein> if you're OK reinstalling, then, you really cant break anything too bad...
[03:40] <holstein> most folks freak about reinstalling...
[03:41] <semitones_> I don't think there's much on this hard drive, so I'd kind of like a fresh start actually
[03:41] <philipballew> would take less time
[03:41] <holstein> yeah, id mess with it a bit for educationaly purposes... in case it comes up again, but not too long
[03:42] <holstein> educational*
[03:43] <holstein> semitones_: good luck
[03:43] <holstein> philipballew: o/
[03:43]  * holstein is outty... GN all
[03:44] <semitones_> gnite holstein, thanks a bunch :D
[03:54] <philipballew> if i'm copy a bunch on my desktop over ssh from my laptop. while the files are copying, can i exit ssh session or while that stop the copy prossess?
[04:00] <semitones_> does my hard drive absolutely need two jumper pins for it to be the master one
[04:00] <philipballew> do you only have one?
[04:00] <semitones_> yeah
[04:00] <semitones_> it is all the way on the right
[04:01] <semitones_> well I had two hard drives
[04:01] <semitones_> but I took out the old one that was "master"
[04:01] <semitones_> now the BIOS doesn't know I have any hard drives
[04:02] <philipballew> can you change the bios?
[04:02] <semitones_>  hold on i'll try
[04:02] <philipballew> okay
[04:02] <philipballew> never done this before myself
[05:08] <semitones_> philipballew, hey looks like it is installing fine now. Thanks for all your help!
[05:10] <philipballew> semitones, no problem! what did you do?
[05:14] <Semitones_tea> I just had to restart and enter bios setup a few times
[05:14] <Semitones_tea> I don't know if I changed anything really
[05:14] <Semitones_tea> it's installing lubuntu right now
[05:15] <Semitones_tea> I'm trying to convince my dad that lubuntu will be easier for my aunt to use than windows 98
[05:18] <philipballew> what does your aunt need to do?
[05:19] <Semitones_tea> type letters and print them, as far as I can tell
[05:19] <Semitones_tea> no internet
[05:20] <philipballew> well libre office can do good then right?
[05:21] <Semitones_tea> yeah
[05:21] <Semitones_tea> he thinks that she'll run into problems and nobody where she lives will know how to fix them
[05:26] <philipballew> you can fix it though?
[05:26] <philipballew> semitones, ssh, remote desktop?
[05:40] <Semitones_tea> no internet :p
[05:40] <Semitones_tea> but yeah I could help them over the phone
[05:46] <philipballew> who doesnt have internet
[05:54] <quiXotic> how can i tell if i'm running unity or the older version?
[05:54] <Error404NotFoun1> ['04rfvg
[05:55] <Error404NotFoun1> system
[05:55] <Error404NotFoun1> about ubuntu
[05:57] <philipballew> quiXotic, open a terminal and type:
[05:58] <philipballew> lsb_release -a
[05:58] <Error404NotFoun1>    or just hit system about ubuntu lol
[05:59] <philipballew> but hes running unity most likely
[05:59] <philipballew> system is not an option
[05:59] <Error404NotFoun1> if he has tool bar on right its unity lol
[05:59] <Error404NotFoun1> left
[05:59] <Error404NotFoun1> w/e
[06:00] <philipballew> but i was gonna  let him figure that out!
[06:00] <philipballew> :)
[06:01] <quiXotic> okay i did and it said no LSB modules are available
[06:02] <quiXotic> and no i dont have the tool bar on the left
[06:02] <quiXotic> trying to get the launcher working, mainly
[06:03] <philipballew> " lsb_release -a" without quotes
[06:03] <philipballew> whats not working?
[06:04] <quiXotic> did, same msg
[06:04] <quiXotic> the launcher is the only thing i've noticed/wanted. looking at it on the ubuntu site
[06:05] <philipballew> whats your desktop look like now
[06:06] <quiXotic> task bar is on the bottom, show desktop button the left side, workspaces/trash on right
[06:07] <quiXotic> top sections looks the same as other screens ive seen
[06:12] <philipballew> do a screen shot and email it to me.
[06:12] <philipballew>  ill tell you alot
[06:12] <philipballew> philipballew@ubuntu.com
[06:13] <quiXotic> oops, just logged out and saw ubuntu classic was selected, selected unity and now i have what i want :)
[06:13] <philipballew> thats good!
[06:14] <Error404NotFoun1> unity blows
[06:14] <philipballew> i like it
[06:14] <quiXotic> actually i like it a lot better
[06:14] <quiXotic> and ive seen it for about 35 seconds
[06:17] <philipballew> i like how i can accsess the terminal quicklt
[06:20] <Error404NotFoun1>        so do i
[06:20] <Error404NotFoun1> i hit a button
[06:20] <Error404NotFoun1> on docky
[06:22] <quiXotic> i just used ctrl alt t
[06:22] <quiXotic> but then again i love my keyboard shortcuts
[08:32] <philipballew> has anyone ever herd of a way where i can power things on and off via my computer
[08:33] <philipballew> like my lamp next to my computer, i wanna turn that on and off via my desktop
[09:51] <ina_> Running Natty on X86-64. I must have deleted my home folder, this is the scenario. It was an ordinary file between my other files not hidden not ./ so I thought this is strange an I deleted It, and that is where my woes began, Logging in I get this:-1st screen:- could not update ICEauthority File/home/user//.ICEauthority.  2nd screen:- There is a problem with the configuration server (usr/lib/libconf2-4/gconfig-sanity-check-2exited with status 256) 3rd
[09:51] <ina_>  screen _:- nautilus could not create the following required folders:/home/user/desctop/home/user/nautilus, Before running nautilus, please create these folders, or set permissions such that nautilus can create them. Help would be greatly appreciated.
[09:54] <Sidewinder1> ina_, I can't really answer your questions, sorry... You might want to ask in #ubuntu, there's a lot of knowledgeable folks there.
[09:55] <ina_> Thanx Sidewinder
[15:03] <brian_>  Hi. Newbie here to Ubuntu and gobsmacked at how good it is. One problem I cannot seem to solve though. I have an Acer Aspire laptop and a 17" monitor attached, in portrait mode for documents. When I start the laptop, the menu offering win7 or ubuntu opens on laptop screen and when I click on ubunti it changes to 2nd monitot and laptop stays blank. I went into monitor settings and got resolution and orientation on
[15:03] <brian_>  2nd monitor
  correct but the laptop remains stubbornly blank. nothing I change seems to make a difference. Any ideas? Cheers
[17:50] <zachary> I need help installing a tar.gz. Anyone got any useful knowledge?
[17:52] <Abhijit> !compile | zachary
[17:52] <ubot2> zachary: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[17:53] <nit-wit> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingEasyHowTo  step 2
[17:53] <Abhijit> zachary, general way is to extract it then do ./configure, make and make install
[17:54] <zachary> I've successfully extracted, but when i try to make it says makefile not found
[17:56] <nit-wit> zachary, what is the tar.
[17:56] <zachary> utorrent-server-v3_0
[17:59] <nit-wit> zachary, here is a specific link that might help, http://forum.utorrent.com/viewtopic.php?id=84274
[18:00] <zachary> Hmm. That ought to do it. Thanks very much.
[19:35]  * suprengr apologises... won't be comong to platform 9 3/4 after all _ firm sacked a colleague this week & guess who they now expect to cover this w/e [guess you'll have to wait till another day to see this ugly face ;D]
[21:47] <stevethepirate_> Does anyone know where the scripts are for horos?
[21:52] <stevethepirate_> hello?
[22:22] <duanedesign> horos?
[22:23] <duanedesign> ahh, the kdm theme?
[22:24] <stevethepirate_> yes - wanted scripts that pertained to horos :)
[22:24] <stevethepirate_> brb