[05:07] <benonsoftware> godbyk: Hay Kevin
[05:07] <godbyk> benonsoftware: Hey.
[05:08] <benonsoftware> godbyk: Just got your email. I'm learning Django at the moment and I have made a dozen other websites with HTML and WordPress
[05:08] <godbyk> cool
[05:09] <benonsoftware> godbyk: So what do I do to get started helping with ubuntu-manual.org devel?
[05:10] <godbyk> let me sketch up a list of things we'll need the site to do for us.  then we can figure out what framework/system would be most helpful to use.  then you can start on the code.
[05:11] <benonsoftware> godbyk: Thanks, at the moment I perfear the test.ubuntu-manual.org site to the main one
[05:11] <godbyk> yeah. I think we just never got around to actually *testing* that site.  it might be a good starting point.  I'll have to take a look at it.
[05:12] <benonsoftware> godbyk: Ok
[05:12] <godbyk> we'll definitely want an administration system for the site so that people other than me can post new PDFs and handle other site responsibilities.
[05:13] <godbyk> (it's never good if I'm the only one who can do something!)
[05:13] <benonsoftware> godbyk: Haaa. WordPress is a good back end for that type of thing. We would just need to find a nice template
[05:14] <godbyk> I'm not sure if wordpress is quite smart enough for what I'd like.
[05:14] <godbyk> we do some slightly fancier things with language detection and the like.
[05:15] <godbyk> maybe there are enough wordpress plugins that it would work. we'll have to see.
[05:15] <benonsoftware> godbyk: Yeah. We I thoght that would be the problem
[05:15] <benonsoftware> godbyk: I'll just be 10 mins. I'm just getting lunch
[05:15] <godbyk> np
[05:15] <godbyk> I'll probably have to head to bed soonish. I have to actually get up earlier tomorrow. :-(
[05:30] <benonsoftware> godbyk: Sorry, I'm back now
[05:31] <benonsoftware> godbyk: So at the moment what is the website built with?
[05:32] <godbyk> the ubuntu-manual.org site is just some hand-written php code.
[05:32] <godbyk> I *think* the test site uses Django, but I may be misremembering.
[05:33] <benonsoftware> godbyk: So do we at one stage want to switch the website to Django?
[05:33] <godbyk> we could go with django.
[05:34] <godbyk> as crazy as the language is, my web host actually works a lot better with php.
[05:34] <benonsoftware> godbyk: What are the other options at the moment?
[05:34] <godbyk> (they don't have mod_python yet, so I think the django stuff runs a bit slower.)
[05:34] <benonsoftware> godbyk: What is the current host. I **think** it is Dreamhost from a WhoIs
[05:34] <godbyk> there are some php frameworks that are similar to django.  see code igniter for an example.
[05:35] <godbyk> Yeah, it's Dreamhost.
[05:35] <benonsoftware> godbyk: How does the current site get updated/changed? eg a new release?
[05:36] <godbyk> each new release of the manual?  I hand-edit a variety of php files.  It's a bit of a mess, currently.
[05:36] <benonsoftware> godbyk: When is the next release due or when are they released?
[05:37] <godbyk> I don't recall the date for the next release.  I think it's a month or two out.
[05:37] <benonsoftware> godbyk: Ah ok. Se what can I do to help with the website dev?
[05:40] <godbyk> Why don't you take a look at the test site.  See what's there and if anything appears to be missing or non-functional.
[05:41] <godbyk> I'll try to make some notes over the next few days of what I'd like the website to be able to do.
[05:42] <benonsoftware> godbyk: Well first on the test site I can only download the 10.04 2nd edition.But when I click download I get a 404
[05:44] <godbyk> right
[05:44] <godbyk> I think the test site was last updated about a year ago.
[05:44] <benonsoftware> godbyk: Oh ok then :)
[05:45] <benonsoftware> godbyk: But when I try to change the lang it is still English
[05:45] <godbyk> probably no translations yet.
[05:46] <godbyk> can you email me the list when you're finished?
[05:46] <godbyk> I need to head to bed.
[05:46] <benonsoftware> godbyk: Ok thanks.
[05:46] <godbyk> thanks for your help, benonsoftware!
[05:48] <benonsoftware> godbyk: That's fine. I love building websites :)
[07:12] <benonsoftware> Question: Is there some where I can buy the manual as a hard copy?