[01:34] <Azelphur> @popey OMG! Apple have invented software updates directly on the phone! Wow! http://t.co/GjHFlDJ
[01:34] <Azelphur> Not sure if serious...
[08:00]  * gord adds belkin to the list of "never ever give money to again ever"
[09:14] <AlanBell> 333 down 797 up
[09:15] <AlanBell> speed test result in the barley room of the maltings
[09:17] <AlanBell> 454down in the car park
[09:26] <GreenDance> morning all
[09:28] <GreenDance> can someone whois me please and paste it back to me, thanks
[09:34] <GreenDance> hello?
[09:36] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:38] <GreenDance> hi brobostigon
[09:38] <danfish> GreenDance: 10:38 -!- GreenDance [5ceea84b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.238.168.75]
[09:39] <danfish> morning btw
[09:39] <brobostigon> morning GreenDance and danfish
[09:39] <danfish> o//
[09:40] <danfish> o/ even
[09:40] <brobostigon> o/
[09:48]  * AlanBell wonders what to bring for the geeknic tomorrow
[09:48] <brobostigon> ginger beer :)
[09:48] <AlanBell> we have a meeting tonight at 9PM btw
[09:48] <brobostigon> :)
[09:48] <AlanBell> lashings of it!!
[09:48] <brobostigon> yay
[09:50] <brobostigon> pimms ?
[09:51] <danfish> gin.....lots of it.....drown sorrows etc
[09:57] <danfish> a rather powerful anti-gin advert http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1e/Beer-street-and-Gin-lane.jpg
[10:00] <AlanBell> "In comparison to the sickly hopeless denizens of Gin Lane, the happy people of Beer Street sparkle with robust health and bonhomie."
[10:01] <AlanBell> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_Street_and_Gin_Lane also a really enlightened attitude to copyright and piracy
[10:09]  * StevenR might be back for the end of the meeting
[10:24] <danfish> AlanBell: it's a work of art for many reasons - probably my favorite (but I know diddly-squat about art)
[11:37] <JGJones_> hello
[11:37] <JGJones_> when I am ssh'ing into a remote box and I wish to use zenity to send a message to the x session to a logged in user - how do I do this?
[11:51] <dwatkins> JGJones_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=759389&page=2 - the last post on that page works for me
[11:51] <dwatkins> I think you need to set the DISPLAY variable in the same command
[11:52] <dwatkins> For example:  DISPLAY=:0.0 /usr/bin/zenity --question --text "Question"
[11:53] <dwatkins> I don't know how you would do that for an arbitrary user, but if you have sudo access, you can combine that with 'su' as per the example given.
[11:54] <JGJones_> ah ok thanks - and how would I find out the active DISPLAY in use?
[11:56] <dwatkins> See the 2nd page of the thread, JGJones_
[11:57] <JGJones_> oh I didn't see that url - thanks dwatkins
[11:57] <dwatkins> I'm not sure that's the most efficient way to find out what display a user is using, and you might want to replace screensa with [s]creensa in order to not find your own result, but it works :)
[11:57] <dwatkins> s/result/grep process/
[13:16] <BigRedS> in a bash script I'd like to run a command with stdout going to a file and stderr to a variable, is there a simple way to do that?
[13:16] <BigRedS> I definitely don't want stdout in the variable or stderr in the file, though :(
[13:17] <BigRedS> All I can think of is to create a wrapper script that directs all stdout to a file, and so I can run that redirecting stderr to the (now empty) stdout and use that in this script
[14:30]  * AlanBell is off to the maltings later to buy some chickens \o/
[14:33] <gord> chickens \o/
[14:34] <brobostigon> yummy. :)
[15:51] <daubers> lo
[15:52] <penguin42> indeed
[16:26] <StevenR_> hmm. I need to change the port that openvpn listens on at home
[16:27] <StevenR_> or sshd
[16:27] <StevenR_> can't get to either from here.
[16:30] <StevenR_> ok. so actually nothing works apart from web.
[16:31] <BigRedS> StevenR_: my sshd listens on 443 for exactly that reason :)
[16:34] <StevenR_> BigRedS: not even xmpp, etc work.
[16:35] <BigRedS> I'm guessing you're just somewhere behind a particularly restrictive firewall?
[16:35] <BigRedS> but 443 is almost always allowed, 'cause it's the standard port for https
[16:37] <StevenR_> BigRedS: I'm at my sister's house, and we think they have some builtin security thing somewhere in the chain
[16:37] <StevenR_> BigRedS: it's not too much of a bother, I'll just alter the openvpn to listen on 443 for next time I'm down.
[16:38] <StevenR_> or sshd
[16:38] <StevenR_> BigRedS: I'm well aware of why it's broken (I've built firewalls/policies that were even more restrictive), I just can't fix it right now :)
[16:42] <StevenR_> hrrm. I'll need something that works over udp
[16:45] <ali1234> openvpn works over udp
[16:49] <StevenR_> ali1234: yes, but I need a udp port that works, i.e. isn't filtered (53 isn't)
[16:49] <StevenR_> ali1234: my current openvpn on UDP:bignum doesn't work
[17:43] <scoundrel50a> what is the command you use to connect to another computer using ssh
[17:43] <brobostigon> ssh user@ip
[17:45] <scoundrel50a> ah, thank you
[17:45] <brobostigon> :)
[17:45] <brobostigon> yes, that simple.
[17:50] <daubers> \o/
[17:50] <daubers> bread in the machine, muffins in the oven. Preparations for tomorrow well under control
[17:51] <penguin42> tomorrow?
[17:52] <daubers> http://ubuntu-uk.org/2011/07/01/books-and-butties/
[17:53] <daubers> Tomorrow \o/
[17:53] <penguin42> ah, I don't do down to London much
[17:55] <daubers> i'm there 3 times in the next week :(
[17:56]  * penguin42 bit too expensive to go down there from Manc just on a whim unless I'm certain and can book in advance
[17:56] <daubers> :)
[18:26] <popey> Evening all!
[18:27] <brobostigon> evening popey
[18:27] <mgdm> Evening
[18:27]  * brobostigon has chilli al'la popey's recipe.
[18:38] <diplo> evening all
[18:38] <brobostigon> evening diplo
[18:43] <daubers> lo
[18:44] <andres_kain> good evening.
[18:48] <daubers> o/
[18:49] <andres_kain> o/
[18:51] <andres_kain> a quick question, how do I diagnose what is going on with the sofware centre if the update manager and the synaptic manager work?
[18:52] <brobostigon> andres_kain: try apt-get (update/install) manually from terminal.
[18:53] <brobostigon> + sudo in front.
[18:54] <andres_kain> reinstalled it through synaptic with no joy, would that have been the same thing?
[18:54] <brobostigon> andres_kain: are you getting any error output?
[18:54] <brobostigon> from terminal?
[18:55] <andres_kain> none. The sofware centre starts up and shudowns fine It's just that it will not install or uninstall anything. ... damn, didn't try terminal... Il'll give it ago.
[18:55] <brobostigon> andres_kain: no, try apt form terminal and see if you get any error output?
[18:59] <andres_kain> sudo apt-get update updates fine, no error.
[18:59] <andres_kain> guess if synaptic works apt-get should be fine?
[19:00] <popey> andres_kain: I cant see where you've told us what the actual problem is?
[19:00] <andres_kain> running the software-centre from terminal does give me a good amount of warnings...
[19:00] <andres_kain> I'll try to back up.
[19:01] <popey> andres_kain: what is the problem you're seeing?
[19:01] <andres_kain> I open software centre. choose a program. Click install (or ininstall) and it does nothing. It goes as far as checking dependencies. But that's it.
[19:01] <andres_kain> no crashing
[19:01] <popey> what program are you trying to install?
[19:02] <andres_kain> any program
[19:02] <andres_kain> uninstalling the same.
[19:02] <popey> such as?
[19:04] <andres_kain> pigeon, skype plugind for empathy, blinken, viking, ... I can try any random you guys can think of.
[19:04] <andres_kain> uninstalling shows the same result.
[19:04] <popey> ok
[19:04] <andres_kain> now... confesion...
[19:05] <andres_kain> I moved from unity 2D to xubuntu
[19:05] <andres_kain> Since it was some sort of mix at the end I started uninstalling unity things that I wasn't using.
[19:05] <popey> what happens if you run "sudo apt-get install pidgin" ?
[19:05] <popey> can you pastebin the result?
[19:06] <andres_kain> It will probably intall it, as the synaptic works fine. I have pidgen install. but I'll give it a go
[19:06] <popey> ok, try something else, cowsay?
[19:06] <popey> sudo apt-get install cowsay
[19:06] <andres_kain> installing fine...
[19:06] <andres_kain> cowsay
[19:07] <andres_kain> installed. What is that supposed to do?
[19:07] <popey> can you pastebin the output?
[19:08] <andres_kain> ndres@andres-laptop:~$ sudo apt-get install cowsay
[19:08] <andres_kain> Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho
[19:08] <andres_kain> Creando árbol de dependencias
[19:08] <popey> no
[19:08] <popey> pastebin
[19:08] <andres_kain> Leyendo la información de estado... Hecho
[19:08] <popey> not paste
[19:08] <andres_kain> Paquetes sugeridos:
[19:08] <popey> gah
[19:08] <andres_kain>   filters
[19:08] <andres_kain> Se instalarán los siguientes paquetes NUEVOS:
[19:08] <andres_kain>   cowsay
[19:09] <andres_kain> 0 actualizados, 1 se instalarán, 0 para eliminar y 0 no actualizados.
[19:09] <andres_kain> Procesando disparadores para man-db ...
[19:09] <andres_kain> Configurando cowsay (3.03+dfsg1-3) ...
[19:09] <andres_kain> sorry spanish.
[19:09] <andres_kain> ups...
[19:09] <andres_kain> don't know what pastebin is. sorry
[19:09] <popey> !paste
[19:09] <popey> ok, so your package manager works fine by the look of it
[19:10] <andres_kain> yep. synaptic and update manager seems to work fine.
[19:10] <popey> sounds like you've removed one or more components that the software center needs
[19:10] <andres_kain> so I look up dependencies of software centre and reinstall them?
[19:11] <popey> sudo apt-get install --reinstall software-center
[19:11] <andres_kain> sorry about the pastbin, I'll have a read.
[19:11] <popey> np
[19:11] <popey> everyone does it once
[19:11] <andres_kain> I guess you get killed the second time.
[19:11] <popey> nah
[19:11] <popey> just stern looks and tutting
[19:13] <daubers> We're good at that
[19:15] <andres_kain> seems to be doing the same thing that I did with the synaptic package manager. rightclick reinstall.
[19:16] <popey> well, congratulations, its broken, you get to keep all the pieces
[19:17]  * popey hugs Myrtti 
[19:19] <andres_kain> yep, done reinstall and still doesn't work. I'll do a reinstall of system, can't show off how cool the laptop is in these conditions.
[19:19] <popey> have you run software centre from a terminal?
[19:19] <popey> and see any errors when you choose to install something?
[19:19] <andres_kain> yep, loads of warnings... I'll have a look.
[19:21] <andres_kain> !paste how does it work?
[19:22] <popey> just go to http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[19:22] <popey> and paste whatever you want to show us there
[19:22] <popey> then give us the url
[19:23] <andres_kain> http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/112288
[19:23] <popey> I'd paste the entire output
[19:23] <popey> not just one line
[19:23] <andres_kain> that is the warning when clickin the button, but before that I get other warnings.
[19:23] <andres_kain> OK
[19:23] <popey> thats only a warning though
[19:24] <popey> you could just reinstall everything you get on a base install with "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^"
[19:24] <popey> which should put anything back that you removed
[19:24] <popey> note the ^ at the end
[19:24] <andres_kain> http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/112289
[19:25] <andres_kain> even if it's xubuntu?
[19:25] <popey> you said it was ubuntu
[19:25] <popey> and you install xfce?
[19:26] <andres_kain> xubuntu desktop when I had unity2D running, so that I could choose at start up. one sec afk
[19:27] <popey> ah, misunderstood, sorry.
[19:27] <popey> Dunno anything about xubuntu, sorry.
[19:29] <Myrtti> popey ♥
[19:30] <andres_kain> no worries, It's my mess. I'll dig around, Thought it was something simple that I was missing. Thanks for your help!
[19:33] <andres_kain> Just a note, previously software-centre worked OK with xubuntu. I think I uninstalled unity and unity2D and that created a mess.
[19:33] <popey> good work :D
[19:36] <andres_kain> yep. I guess there is a reason the xubuntu-desktop is not in the software-center and why it seems synaptic will be removed from the default install. Keeping fools like me from making a mess.
[19:37] <andres_kain> apt-get install xubuntu-desktop seems to be doing something.
[19:38] <brobostigon> there might be package inconsistencies between the metapackages?
[19:39] <andres_kain> ... ummm maybe? it's installing 38Mb of missing libs of some sort...
[19:39] <andres_kain> omg, this stuff is really clever.
[19:41] <andres_kain> I can actually read the stuff coming out and it's all completely understandable. I'm at awe.
[19:41] <brobostigon> :)
[19:41] <brobostigon> andres_kain: that is what it was doing underneath software center.
[19:43] <andres_kain> I was in high form a moment, but It's a fail in the end.
[19:44] <andres_kain> OK I'll keep looking.
[19:44] <brobostigon> i frequbetly have an inconsistant system. i have 11.04 with gnome3 teams ppa. and then debian sid apt-pinned to debian experimental. it makes for some interesting experineces.
[19:45] <BigRedS> brobostigon: how stable is vanilla sid?
[19:45] <BigRedS> I'm wondering about 'upgrading' from testing
[19:45] <andres_kain> check my mail as well... geeknic tomorrow?
[19:45] <brobostigon> BigRedS: very so. on its own. mostly.
[19:46] <brobostigon> BigRedS: however some packages in unstable need to packages from experimental to complete.
[19:46] <BigRedS> ah yeah, I remember that from before. But I'm rather conservative in most of my software choices, I'll probably not be doing that very much
[19:47] <BigRedS> sid is still Gnome 2?
[19:47] <brobostigon> BigRedS: i am using gnome3/gnome-shell, i havent tried gnome2 in unstable.
[19:47] <BigRedS> ah, fair enough. how's gnome3?
[19:48] <brobostigon> BigRedS: stable mostly. except something today broke something, to stop it from starting fully.
[19:50] <BigRedS> hmmm. Well, given that I'm only getting round to upgrading every few months at the minute, that shouldn't happen too frequently to me...
[19:50] <brobostigon> so i am in gnome3 fallback mode.
[19:54] <brobostigon> BigRedS: just be very careful, and dont aptitude dist-upgrade without making notes, do, aptitude safe-upgrade.
[19:55] <BigRedS> yeah, I used to use sid, I'm used to expecting breakage :)
[19:55] <BigRedS> that's why I'm pondering upgrading, I'm getting a bit bored of testing Just Working
[19:55] <andres_kain> Thanks alan for organizing the sci-fi and geeknic!
[19:56] <brobostigon> :)
[19:57] <brobostigon> BigRedS: and my onlu option was to use unstable + experimental, i don think testing and experimental would work, in truth.
[19:58] <BigRedS> allegedly it'll work for experimental's gnome3
[19:58] <BigRedS> but I'm not looking to try that, really
[19:58] <brobostigon> i wouldnt try it either,
[20:01] <AlanBell> evening all, just going to have a quick meeting over in #ubuntu-uk-meeting to go over geeknic plans for tomorrow and talk about the reapproval
[20:01] <andres_kain> lol having fun with the omg ponies notification style...
[20:23] <Azelphur> Is there any place in the UK you can get decent built to order laptops, preferably Asus or MSI
[20:24] <BigRedS> Surely if they're asus or msi they're not built to order?
[20:25] <Azelphur> BigRedS by BTO I mean that I can change the specs before ordering
[20:25] <Azelphur> I can find them in the US for example, where you can set the laptop you want, and then set what you want inside it
[20:25] <gord> Azelphur, lenovo :)
[20:26] <BigRedS> yeah, dell and lenovo both let you change the specs
[20:26] <Azelphur> kinda erring away from dell
[20:26] <BigRedS> yeah, I would
[20:26] <Azelphur> maybe lenovo though :)
[20:26] <BigRedS> I erred away from dell to lenovo
[20:26] <BigRedS> and I'm not quite as prostelytic as gord about it, but nearly :)
[20:27] <gord> time to change random settings on my router until it randomly starts working again
[20:28] <Azelphur> \o/
[20:28] <Azelphur> do lenovo do gaming laptops at all/
[20:29] <BigRedS> I play games on my thinkpad...
[20:29] <Azelphur> minecraft :D
[20:29] <BigRedS> I don't think they do anything with half of maplin taped to the outside of it, which is normally how I spot a 'gaming' machine :)
[20:29] <gord> eh, i'v never seen a good gaming laptop anyway, just find a good laptop
[20:30] <gord> laptops just can't deliver enough power to the gpu to really be classed as "gaming"
[20:30] <Azelphur> half a maplin ;)
[20:32] <mgdm> I've heard the phrase "driven through Halfords with glue on" to describe cars with spoilers/stickers/all that nonsense on
[20:32] <mgdm> but not that for gaming machines, I like it :)
[20:33] <BigRedS> haha
[20:33] <penguin42> maplins isn't like it used to be :-(
[20:33] <BigRedS> I did get it from another car description - "half of halfords on top, half of maplin underneath"
[20:33] <mgdm> heh heh
[20:35] <gord> the ubuntu start up theme starts getting annoying ;) someone design a new one
[20:35] <gord> the more cow bell and clown noises the better
[20:35] <BigRedS> every time I hear it I think it's windows booting for some reason
[20:36] <gord> nah windows either likes to sound like it was an achievement just booting up, or that you are being serenaded into the gates of heaven
[20:36] <BigRedS> haha
[20:37] <mgdm> I think that when a machine boots it needs to play track 1 of the Tron: Legacy soundtrack
[20:37] <gord> if it were up to me, they would all play sledgehammer by peter gabriel. in full
[20:38] <mgdm> Good choice
[20:38] <gord> if the boot up splash can reflect the music video, then +1
[20:38] <mgdm> I had the wrong video in mind there, New Order's True Faith instead of the real one
[20:38] <mgdm> so I imagined a splash screen of people slapping each other
[20:39] <gord> that would also be acceptible ;)
[20:39] <mgdm> in fact, actually, there's a good drum sample at the start of that track :)
[20:39] <penguin42> heck, I wish there was a decent way to filter the high bandwidth guys out of a stream on g+
[20:40] <mgdm> unfollow them? :)
[20:40] <mgdm> whatever the phrase is
[20:40] <penguin42> well I could block them, but that also stops letting them commenting on my posts - which I don't mind; it's just I don't need that level of updates
[20:40] <BigRedS> unencircle?
[20:40] <BigRedS> decircle is probably less inelagant
[20:41] <gord> well i pressed enough buttons and magically the wifi works for some of my devices. i guess that is good enough till the new ap arrives...
[20:41] <BigRedS> my network manager requires that sort of voodoo at the minute
[20:41] <gord> penguin42, put them in the "high bandwidth" circle
[20:41] <gord> then don't read that circle
[20:42] <penguin42> gord: But I tend to read all circles; I want to be able to read all but a high bw circle
[20:42] <dwatkins> penguin42: I had the same trouble, I ended up just blocking the more verbose people
[20:43] <mgdm> I don't do much with G+
[20:43] <mgdm> I have loads of followers for some reason, though
[20:44] <dwatkins> A whole bunch of people found me through the retro gaming community, I think they just added everyone.
[20:47] <mgdm> I get the same impression, most of the folk following me are PHP devs
[20:47] <mgdm> or something along those lines
[21:06] <daubers> Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[21:06] <daubers> Anniversary weekend away booked
[21:10] <BigRedS> is Oneiric going to be an LTS?
[21:11] <daubers> !LTS
[21:11] <BigRedS> (and why does my google fu not help me find an answer to that)
[21:11] <daubers> Oneiric+1 is LTS I think... (2 years isn't it?)
[21:11] <BigRedS> aha, cool
[21:11] <BigRedS> You're more sure than I am so I'll take you as authoritative
[21:12] <daubers> 12.04 according to wikipedia :)
[21:12] <BigRedS> aha!
[21:12] <daubers> So oneiric+1
[21:12] <BigRedS> there I was assuming the ubuntu wiki was the place to go for that info :)
[21:17] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS
[21:17] <BigRedS> yeah, exactly
[21:17] <BigRedS> that's where I thought it'd say it
[21:17] <AlanBell> it does say LTS is normally every two years
[21:18] <brobostigon> HazRPG: i need a chat, when you come round please.
[21:18] <BigRedS> ah yeah.
[21:18] <BigRedS> I should probably have rtfa...
[21:19] <AlanBell> it is pretty likely that 12.04 will be LTS, but not totally inconceivable that it might not
[21:19] <BigRedS> i just did a bunch of finds and they all failed to find anything
[21:19] <AlanBell> if gnome releases move about or something
[21:19] <BigRedS> as long as it's not oneiric I'm fine :)
[21:19] <AlanBell> it isn't :)
[21:20] <daubers> :)
[21:20] <AlanBell> Perfect Penguin maybe
[21:20] <BigRedS> i've just found one of my scripts is very broken in oneiric, but it only needs to work on debians and ltss
[21:20] <AlanBell> so for those coming tomorrow there may be significant tube disruption
[21:24] <daubers> The TFL site will direct you around the disruption if needed
[21:33] <AlanBell> if parking is resident permit holders mon-fri does that mean it is free parking at the weekends?
[21:35] <czajkowski> ok annoying
[21:35] <czajkowski> I pined a tab yesterday
[21:35] <BigRedS> AlanBell: sometimes
[21:35] <czajkowski> and have since unpined it
[21:35] <czajkowski> but on start up it's still there each time
[21:35] <czajkowski> >:(
[21:35] <BigRedS> depends on the council. I think you're going to camden, but I don't know what they do.
[21:43] <AlanBell> looks like there might be parking in the streets behind the library
[21:46] <AlanBell> popey: pick you up 9:30 ish?
[22:10]  * daubers ehads to bed
[22:10] <daubers> shall see peeps tomorrow :)
[22:11] <brobostigon> good night daubers o/
[22:12] <brobostigon> good night everyone aswell, sleep well.
[23:31] <popey> BigRedS: you're fast on the -users list :D
[23:31] <popey> AlanBell: ugh! Yeah, I guess so ☺