[01:34] @popey OMG! Apple have invented software updates directly on the phone! Wow! http://t.co/GjHFlDJ [01:34] Not sure if serious... [08:00] * gord adds belkin to the list of "never ever give money to again ever" [09:14] 333 down 797 up [09:15] speed test result in the barley room of the maltings [09:17] 454down in the car park [09:26] morning all [09:28] can someone whois me please and paste it back to me, thanks [09:34] hello? [09:36] good morning everyone. [09:38] hi brobostigon [09:38] GreenDance: 10:38 -!- GreenDance [5ceea84b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.238.168.75] [09:39] morning btw [09:39] morning GreenDance and danfish [09:39] o// [09:40] o/ even [09:40] o/ [09:48] * AlanBell wonders what to bring for the geeknic tomorrow [09:48] ginger beer :) [09:48] we have a meeting tonight at 9PM btw [09:48] :) [09:48] lashings of it!! [09:48] yay [09:50] pimms ? [09:51] gin.....lots of it.....drown sorrows etc [09:57] a rather powerful anti-gin advert http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1e/Beer-street-and-Gin-lane.jpg [10:00] "In comparison to the sickly hopeless denizens of Gin Lane, the happy people of Beer Street sparkle with robust health and bonhomie." [10:01] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_Street_and_Gin_Lane also a really enlightened attitude to copyright and piracy [10:09] * StevenR might be back for the end of the meeting [10:24] AlanBell: it's a work of art for many reasons - probably my favorite (but I know diddly-squat about art) [11:37] hello [11:37] when I am ssh'ing into a remote box and I wish to use zenity to send a message to the x session to a logged in user - how do I do this? [11:51] JGJones_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=759389&page=2 - the last post on that page works for me [11:51] I think you need to set the DISPLAY variable in the same command [11:52] For example: DISPLAY=:0.0 /usr/bin/zenity --question --text "Question" [11:53] I don't know how you would do that for an arbitrary user, but if you have sudo access, you can combine that with 'su' as per the example given. [11:54] ah ok thanks - and how would I find out the active DISPLAY in use? [11:56] See the 2nd page of the thread, JGJones_ [11:57] oh I didn't see that url - thanks dwatkins [11:57] I'm not sure that's the most efficient way to find out what display a user is using, and you might want to replace screensa with [s]creensa in order to not find your own result, but it works :) [11:57] s/result/grep process/ [13:16] in a bash script I'd like to run a command with stdout going to a file and stderr to a variable, is there a simple way to do that? [13:16] I definitely don't want stdout in the variable or stderr in the file, though :( [13:17] All I can think of is to create a wrapper script that directs all stdout to a file, and so I can run that redirecting stderr to the (now empty) stdout and use that in this script [14:30] * AlanBell is off to the maltings later to buy some chickens \o/ [14:33] chickens \o/ [14:34] yummy. :) === brian is now known as Guest54363 [15:51] lo [15:52] indeed [16:26] hmm. I need to change the port that openvpn listens on at home [16:27] or sshd [16:27] can't get to either from here. [16:30] ok. so actually nothing works apart from web. [16:31] StevenR_: my sshd listens on 443 for exactly that reason :) [16:34] BigRedS: not even xmpp, etc work. [16:35] I'm guessing you're just somewhere behind a particularly restrictive firewall? [16:35] but 443 is almost always allowed, 'cause it's the standard port for https [16:37] BigRedS: I'm at my sister's house, and we think they have some builtin security thing somewhere in the chain [16:37] BigRedS: it's not too much of a bother, I'll just alter the openvpn to listen on 443 for next time I'm down. [16:38] or sshd [16:38] BigRedS: I'm well aware of why it's broken (I've built firewalls/policies that were even more restrictive), I just can't fix it right now :) [16:42] hrrm. I'll need something that works over udp [16:45] openvpn works over udp [16:49] ali1234: yes, but I need a udp port that works, i.e. isn't filtered (53 isn't) [16:49] ali1234: my current openvpn on UDP:bignum doesn't work [17:43] what is the command you use to connect to another computer using ssh [17:43] ssh user@ip [17:45] ah, thank you [17:45] :) [17:45] yes, that simple. [17:50] \o/ [17:50] bread in the machine, muffins in the oven. Preparations for tomorrow well under control [17:51] tomorrow? [17:52] http://ubuntu-uk.org/2011/07/01/books-and-butties/ [17:53] Tomorrow \o/ [17:53] ah, I don't do down to London much [17:55] i'm there 3 times in the next week :( [17:56] * penguin42 bit too expensive to go down there from Manc just on a whim unless I'm certain and can book in advance [17:56] :) [18:26] Evening all! [18:27] evening popey [18:27] Evening [18:27] * brobostigon has chilli al'la popey's recipe. [18:38] evening all [18:38] evening diplo [18:43] lo [18:44] good evening. [18:48] o/ [18:49] o/ [18:51] a quick question, how do I diagnose what is going on with the sofware centre if the update manager and the synaptic manager work? [18:52] andres_kain: try apt-get (update/install) manually from terminal. [18:53] + sudo in front. [18:54] reinstalled it through synaptic with no joy, would that have been the same thing? [18:54] andres_kain: are you getting any error output? [18:54] from terminal? [18:55] none. The sofware centre starts up and shudowns fine It's just that it will not install or uninstall anything. ... damn, didn't try terminal... Il'll give it ago. [18:55] andres_kain: no, try apt form terminal and see if you get any error output? [18:59] sudo apt-get update updates fine, no error. [18:59] guess if synaptic works apt-get should be fine? [19:00] andres_kain: I cant see where you've told us what the actual problem is? [19:00] running the software-centre from terminal does give me a good amount of warnings... [19:00] I'll try to back up. [19:01] andres_kain: what is the problem you're seeing? [19:01] I open software centre. choose a program. Click install (or ininstall) and it does nothing. It goes as far as checking dependencies. But that's it. [19:01] no crashing [19:01] what program are you trying to install? [19:02] any program [19:02] uninstalling the same. [19:02] such as? [19:04] pigeon, skype plugind for empathy, blinken, viking, ... I can try any random you guys can think of. [19:04] uninstalling shows the same result. [19:04] ok [19:04] now... confesion... [19:05] I moved from unity 2D to xubuntu [19:05] Since it was some sort of mix at the end I started uninstalling unity things that I wasn't using. [19:05] what happens if you run "sudo apt-get install pidgin" ? [19:05] can you pastebin the result? [19:06] It will probably intall it, as the synaptic works fine. I have pidgen install. but I'll give it a go [19:06] ok, try something else, cowsay? [19:06] sudo apt-get install cowsay [19:06] installing fine... [19:06] cowsay [19:07] installed. What is that supposed to do? [19:07] can you pastebin the output? [19:08] ndres@andres-laptop:~$ sudo apt-get install cowsay [19:08] Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho [19:08] Creando árbol de dependencias [19:08] no [19:08] pastebin [19:08] Leyendo la información de estado... Hecho [19:08] not paste [19:08] Paquetes sugeridos: [19:08] gah [19:08] filters [19:08] Se instalarán los siguientes paquetes NUEVOS: [19:08] cowsay [19:09] 0 actualizados, 1 se instalarán, 0 para eliminar y 0 no actualizados. [19:09] Procesando disparadores para man-db ... [19:09] Configurando cowsay (3.03+dfsg1-3) ... [19:09] sorry spanish. [19:09] ups... [19:09] don't know what pastebin is. sorry [19:09] !paste [19:09] Pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) [19:09] ok, so your package manager works fine by the look of it [19:10] yep. synaptic and update manager seems to work fine. [19:10] sounds like you've removed one or more components that the software center needs [19:10] so I look up dependencies of software centre and reinstall them? [19:11] sudo apt-get install --reinstall software-center [19:11] sorry about the pastbin, I'll have a read. [19:11] np [19:11] everyone does it once [19:11] I guess you get killed the second time. [19:11] nah [19:11] just stern looks and tutting [19:13] We're good at that [19:15] seems to be doing the same thing that I did with the synaptic package manager. rightclick reinstall. [19:16] well, congratulations, its broken, you get to keep all the pieces [19:17] * popey hugs Myrtti [19:19] yep, done reinstall and still doesn't work. I'll do a reinstall of system, can't show off how cool the laptop is in these conditions. [19:19] have you run software centre from a terminal? [19:19] and see any errors when you choose to install something? [19:19] yep, loads of warnings... I'll have a look. [19:21] !paste how does it work? [19:21] andres_kain: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [19:22] just go to http://paste.ubuntu.com/ [19:22] and paste whatever you want to show us there [19:22] then give us the url [19:23] http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/112288 [19:23] I'd paste the entire output [19:23] not just one line [19:23] that is the warning when clickin the button, but before that I get other warnings. [19:23] OK [19:23] thats only a warning though [19:24] you could just reinstall everything you get on a base install with "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^" [19:24] which should put anything back that you removed [19:24] note the ^ at the end [19:24] http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/112289 [19:25] even if it's xubuntu? [19:25] you said it was ubuntu [19:25] and you install xfce? [19:26] xubuntu desktop when I had unity2D running, so that I could choose at start up. one sec afk [19:27] ah, misunderstood, sorry. [19:27] Dunno anything about xubuntu, sorry. [19:29] popey ♥ [19:30] no worries, It's my mess. I'll dig around, Thought it was something simple that I was missing. Thanks for your help! [19:33] Just a note, previously software-centre worked OK with xubuntu. I think I uninstalled unity and unity2D and that created a mess. [19:33] good work :D [19:36] yep. I guess there is a reason the xubuntu-desktop is not in the software-center and why it seems synaptic will be removed from the default install. Keeping fools like me from making a mess. [19:37] apt-get install xubuntu-desktop seems to be doing something. [19:38] there might be package inconsistencies between the metapackages? [19:39] ... ummm maybe? it's installing 38Mb of missing libs of some sort... [19:39] omg, this stuff is really clever. [19:41] I can actually read the stuff coming out and it's all completely understandable. I'm at awe. [19:41] :) [19:41] andres_kain: that is what it was doing underneath software center. [19:43] I was in high form a moment, but It's a fail in the end. [19:44] OK I'll keep looking. [19:44] i frequbetly have an inconsistant system. i have 11.04 with gnome3 teams ppa. and then debian sid apt-pinned to debian experimental. it makes for some interesting experineces. [19:45] brobostigon: how stable is vanilla sid? [19:45] I'm wondering about 'upgrading' from testing [19:45] check my mail as well... geeknic tomorrow? [19:45] BigRedS: very so. on its own. mostly. [19:46] BigRedS: however some packages in unstable need to packages from experimental to complete. [19:46] ah yeah, I remember that from before. But I'm rather conservative in most of my software choices, I'll probably not be doing that very much [19:47] sid is still Gnome 2? [19:47] BigRedS: i am using gnome3/gnome-shell, i havent tried gnome2 in unstable. [19:47] ah, fair enough. how's gnome3? [19:48] BigRedS: stable mostly. except something today broke something, to stop it from starting fully. [19:50] hmmm. Well, given that I'm only getting round to upgrading every few months at the minute, that shouldn't happen too frequently to me... [19:50] so i am in gnome3 fallback mode. [19:54] BigRedS: just be very careful, and dont aptitude dist-upgrade without making notes, do, aptitude safe-upgrade. [19:55] yeah, I used to use sid, I'm used to expecting breakage :) [19:55] that's why I'm pondering upgrading, I'm getting a bit bored of testing Just Working [19:55] Thanks alan for organizing the sci-fi and geeknic! [19:56] :) [19:57] BigRedS: and my onlu option was to use unstable + experimental, i don think testing and experimental would work, in truth. [19:58] allegedly it'll work for experimental's gnome3 [19:58] but I'm not looking to try that, really [19:58] i wouldnt try it either, [20:01] evening all, just going to have a quick meeting over in #ubuntu-uk-meeting to go over geeknic plans for tomorrow and talk about the reapproval [20:01] lol having fun with the omg ponies notification style... [20:23] Is there any place in the UK you can get decent built to order laptops, preferably Asus or MSI [20:24] Surely if they're asus or msi they're not built to order? [20:25] BigRedS by BTO I mean that I can change the specs before ordering [20:25] I can find them in the US for example, where you can set the laptop you want, and then set what you want inside it [20:25] Azelphur, lenovo :) [20:26] yeah, dell and lenovo both let you change the specs [20:26] kinda erring away from dell [20:26] yeah, I would [20:26] maybe lenovo though :) [20:26] I erred away from dell to lenovo [20:26] and I'm not quite as prostelytic as gord about it, but nearly :) [20:27] time to change random settings on my router until it randomly starts working again [20:28] \o/ [20:28] do lenovo do gaming laptops at all/ [20:29] I play games on my thinkpad... [20:29] minecraft :D [20:29] I don't think they do anything with half of maplin taped to the outside of it, which is normally how I spot a 'gaming' machine :) [20:29] eh, i'v never seen a good gaming laptop anyway, just find a good laptop [20:30] laptops just can't deliver enough power to the gpu to really be classed as "gaming" [20:30] half a maplin ;) [20:32] I've heard the phrase "driven through Halfords with glue on" to describe cars with spoilers/stickers/all that nonsense on [20:32] but not that for gaming machines, I like it :) [20:33] haha [20:33] maplins isn't like it used to be :-( [20:33] I did get it from another car description - "half of halfords on top, half of maplin underneath" [20:33] heh heh [20:35] the ubuntu start up theme starts getting annoying ;) someone design a new one [20:35] the more cow bell and clown noises the better [20:35] every time I hear it I think it's windows booting for some reason [20:36] nah windows either likes to sound like it was an achievement just booting up, or that you are being serenaded into the gates of heaven [20:36] haha [20:37] I think that when a machine boots it needs to play track 1 of the Tron: Legacy soundtrack [20:37] if it were up to me, they would all play sledgehammer by peter gabriel. in full [20:38] Good choice [20:38] if the boot up splash can reflect the music video, then +1 [20:38] I had the wrong video in mind there, New Order's True Faith instead of the real one [20:38] so I imagined a splash screen of people slapping each other [20:39] that would also be acceptible ;) [20:39] in fact, actually, there's a good drum sample at the start of that track :) [20:39] heck, I wish there was a decent way to filter the high bandwidth guys out of a stream on g+ [20:40] unfollow them? :) [20:40] whatever the phrase is [20:40] well I could block them, but that also stops letting them commenting on my posts - which I don't mind; it's just I don't need that level of updates [20:40] unencircle? [20:40] decircle is probably less inelagant [20:41] well i pressed enough buttons and magically the wifi works for some of my devices. i guess that is good enough till the new ap arrives... [20:41] my network manager requires that sort of voodoo at the minute [20:41] penguin42, put them in the "high bandwidth" circle [20:41] then don't read that circle [20:42] gord: But I tend to read all circles; I want to be able to read all but a high bw circle [20:42] penguin42: I had the same trouble, I ended up just blocking the more verbose people [20:43] I don't do much with G+ [20:43] I have loads of followers for some reason, though [20:44] A whole bunch of people found me through the retro gaming community, I think they just added everyone. [20:47] I get the same impression, most of the folk following me are PHP devs [20:47] or something along those lines [21:06] Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee [21:06] Anniversary weekend away booked [21:10] is Oneiric going to be an LTS? [21:11] !LTS [21:11] LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server. The current LTS version of Ubuntu is !Lucid (Lucid Lynx 10.04) [21:11] (and why does my google fu not help me find an answer to that) [21:11] Oneiric+1 is LTS I think... (2 years isn't it?) [21:11] aha, cool [21:11] You're more sure than I am so I'll take you as authoritative [21:12] 12.04 according to wikipedia :) [21:12] aha! [21:12] So oneiric+1 [21:12] there I was assuming the ubuntu wiki was the place to go for that info :) [21:17] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS [21:17] yeah, exactly [21:17] that's where I thought it'd say it [21:17] it does say LTS is normally every two years [21:18] HazRPG: i need a chat, when you come round please. [21:18] ah yeah. [21:18] I should probably have rtfa... [21:19] it is pretty likely that 12.04 will be LTS, but not totally inconceivable that it might not [21:19] i just did a bunch of finds and they all failed to find anything [21:19] if gnome releases move about or something [21:19] as long as it's not oneiric I'm fine :) [21:19] it isn't :) [21:20] :) [21:20] Perfect Penguin maybe [21:20] i've just found one of my scripts is very broken in oneiric, but it only needs to work on debians and ltss [21:20] so for those coming tomorrow there may be significant tube disruption [21:24] The TFL site will direct you around the disruption if needed === AlanBell changed the topic of #ubuntu-uk to: Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://ubuntu-uk.org | This channel is publicly archived http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Mailing List http://tinyurl.com/uukml | Support Guidelines http://tinyurl.com/uuksupport | Meeting 9th August 21:00 UK time #ubuntu-uk-meeting http://tinyurl.com/uukmeet | Libraries, SciFi and Geeknicks 24th July! [21:33] if parking is resident permit holders mon-fri does that mean it is free parking at the weekends? [21:35] ok annoying [21:35] I pined a tab yesterday [21:35] AlanBell: sometimes [21:35] and have since unpined it [21:35] but on start up it's still there each time [21:35] >:( [21:35] depends on the council. I think you're going to camden, but I don't know what they do. [21:43] looks like there might be parking in the streets behind the library [21:46] popey: pick you up 9:30 ish? [22:10] * daubers ehads to bed [22:10] shall see peeps tomorrow :) [22:11] good night daubers o/ [22:12] good night everyone aswell, sleep well. [23:31] BigRedS: you're fast on the -users list :D [23:31] AlanBell: ugh! Yeah, I guess so ☺