[00:44] <rick_h_> greg-g: ping
[00:44] <rick_h_> biker people, about to get one of these: http://www.amazon.com/Thule-914XT-Roadway-Hitch-Carrier/dp/B000MRH4VO/ref=cm_cmu_pg__header\
[00:44] <rick_h_> any reasons I should reconsider?
[00:45] <rick_h_> or other brands that are good I should check eout?
[01:10] <_stink_> we just bought a Yakima trunk rack, it was between that and Thule
[01:10] <rick_h_> ok, yea those two looked like the best brands
[01:10] <rick_h_> but wasn't sure since I'm not really a pro
[01:10] <_stink_> but you win the research prize, so i don't know that i'm adding much info
[01:10] <rick_h_> hah, yea I wish I could turn off the research part of my brain
[01:10] <rick_h_> checking out bike locks now
[01:11] <rick_h_> wasting my evening I should be working on my talk
[01:11] <_stink_> heh
[01:16] <rick_h_> man, when did it get so easy to chop thick cable locks?
[01:17] <rick_h_> all the cable based locks have poor reviews and tons of "my bike was stolen" on them
[01:17] <Milyardo> It's always been easy
[01:18] <rick_h_> guess I just grew up securing bikes to trees and such
[01:18] <Milyardo> Cable cutters wouldn't be cable cutters if the didn't cut right?
[01:18] <Milyardo> *they
[01:18] <rick_h_> and the U shaped things are all the rage in the vity
[01:18] <rick_h_> yea, I guess
[01:19] <rick_h_> figured that they'd have some compression resistant cables or something that your average home depot cutters couldn't do in
[01:22] <rick_h_> ugh, ok ordered
[01:22] <rick_h_> sucks that the hitch doesn't include the security lock :/
[01:27] <greg-g> rick_h_: looks good to me. and yeah, get a security pin for the hitch.
[01:28] <rick_h_> there he is
[01:28] <rick_h_> yea, I paid the extra $$ for the locking pin, guess it's threaded so only works with the same brand hitch
[01:28] <rick_h_> for bike lock I ended up getting: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004C94T84
[01:29] <rick_h_> what's your lockup strategy? I figure you've got to have a good once since you ride to work and leave it for the day
[01:30] <rick_h_> lol http://wn.com/Kryptonite_lock_opened_with_a_pen
[01:31] <greg-g> yeah, old school kryptonite's are bad
[01:32] <greg-g> so, I use a cable that goes through my rear wheel and then loops up to the U-lock I put through my front wheel.
[01:32] <greg-g> they can still cut that cable and get my rear wheel, but they can't get the front or the frame
[01:32] <greg-g> oh yeah, just looked at your link, that setup
[01:32] <rick_h_> ok, yea I was reading rear vs front locking
[01:33] <rick_h_> I'd always thought front since it was easier to take off, but seeing stuff that it's not true
[01:33] <rick_h_> and rear is the more expensive wheel to replace
[01:33] <greg-g> true it is
[01:34] <rick_h_> ok, well there went a ton of $$ to secure a couple of old bikes lol
[01:34] <greg-g> but, my thoght process is that people go for the easy stuff, so since my lock up is better than 99% of the other bikes around me, I'm good
[01:35] <rick_h_> cool
[01:35] <rick_h_> come on Tues, wheee
[01:36] <rick_h_> I find it so funny there's a special NY lock
[01:45] <greg-g> hah, nice
[01:45] <greg-g> effing NYC
[02:05] <snap-l> An then you see that video of people cutting down a tree to get a bike, and realize that it's all for naught anyway.
[02:09] <greg-g> lol
[02:16] <greg-g> WTF IS THIS $240!?!?!?!?!?! http://www.amazon.com/Wishbone-Bike-Wollemi-Limited-Wilderness/dp/B004E4IFY6/
[02:18] <greg-g> AND WTF WOULD A TODDLER NEED BIKE SHORTS?!?!?! http://www.amazon.com/One-Step-Up-Shorts-Sizes/dp/B0058VFLEQ/
[02:18] <greg-g> sorry
[02:19] <greg-g> I don't know if I'm cut out for this world of baby merchants.
[02:23] <_stink_> greg-g: you aren't
[02:23] <_stink_> avoid them
[02:24] <_stink_> and don't look at the catalogs that show up in the mail
[02:26] <rick_h_> yea, and keep a careful eye on the in-laws
[02:26] <rick_h_> grandmothers are horrible
[02:26] <rick_h_> and they want pictures of the kids wearing the crap they find
[02:27] <greg-g> we're doing an amazon baby registry, and good lord, some of this stuff
[02:28] <rick_h_> oh, sec, let me find that book I got
[02:28] <rick_h_> http://www.amazon.com/Consumer-Reports-Best-Baby-Products/dp/0890439869/ref=pd_sim_sbs_b_1 I think it was
[02:28] <rick_h_> was really helpful when registering
[02:28] <_stink_> greg-g: not that you can't handle it, but if you have any questions about what might/might not be useful, feel free to ask
[02:29] <rick_h_> brings up points to look for in the items you buy
[02:29] <_stink_> mostly because rick_h_ already has like 50 sources :P
[02:29] <rick_h_> yea, _stink_ and I are both just outside most of that stuff
[02:29] <rick_h_> lol
[02:29] <rick_h_> well, I am the researcher. My wife loved getting off of the duty for most things
[02:29] <greg-g> _stink_: thanks man
[02:29] <rick_h_> only thing we got I'd skip around a second time is the high chair
[02:29] <rick_h_> all plastic, no padding/fabric next time
[02:29] <greg-g> hmmm
[02:30] <rick_h_> too damn hard to clean, it's a disaster now after 18mo of use
[02:30] <rick_h_> can't toss the cover in the washer since it messes up the padding and won't dry
[02:30] <greg-g> I was going to ask if you wanted to give it away :)
[02:30] <greg-g> but nevermind
[02:31] <rick_h_> hah!, if you can get it clean welcome to it. We just yesterday started sitting him in his travel high chair full time
[02:31] <rick_h_> more like a booster seat since he wants to be at the table with us anyway
[02:31] <_stink_> oo, he probably loves that
[02:31] <_stink_> yeah
[02:31] <_stink_> at the table like a big kid
[02:31] <rick_h_> http://www.amazon.com/Fisher-Price-Healthy-Deluxe-Booster-White/dp/B001GQ2RWQ/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1311388286&sr=8-3
[02:31] <rick_h_> ^^ is pure gold
[02:31] <rick_h_> easy to clean, easy to take on the road to family visits
[02:31] <greg-g> oo, not a bad price
[02:32] <rick_h_> yea, one of the best things I picked up
[02:32] <rick_h_> not a lot of support for a really little one, but then again we never used the little one support anyway
[02:33] <rick_h_> http://www.amazon.com/Graco-1762138-Mealtime-Highchair-Morgan/dp/B004DN4R1I/ref=sr_1_20?s=baby-products&ie=UTF8&qid=1311388368&sr=1-20 is what we have
[02:33] <rick_h_> the fabric gets food all over it and so hard to clean
[02:33] <rick_h_> bit better to hold a little one with the over the shoulder harness stuff
[02:34] <rick_h_> _stink_: had a nice looking one, how is that one holding up?
[02:35] <_stink_> yeah, it was an in-law purchase: http://www.gracobaby.com/Products/Pages/ProductDetails.aspx?ProductId=1751938
[02:35] <_stink_> still using it
[02:35] <_stink_> easy to keep clean - we just never used the insert
[02:35] <_stink_> didn't put the kid in it until, gosh, 8 months, maybe?
[02:35] <rick_h_> yea, and by then they can hold themselves up ok
[02:35] <_stink_> but i admit it's up there in price.
[02:35] <_stink_> yeah
[02:37] <greg-g> wow yeah
[02:37] <greg-g> looks nice though
[02:37] <_stink_> just remember that everything involved in food + baby will get disgusting
[02:37] <rick_h_> greg-g: http://www.amazon.com/Babybjorn-Baby-Carrier-Air-White/dp/B000CGX7WU/ref=sr_1_4?s=baby-products&ie=UTF8&qid=1311388648&sr=1-4 is what I got. Worked really well and wasn't too hot
[02:37] <rick_h_> when are you guys due?
[02:38] <rick_h_> yea, give up having a clean shirt for the first year
[02:38] <rick_h_> felt like such a slob, but after going through 3 or 4 a day just give in
[02:38] <_stink_> haha
[02:38] <_stink_> yeah
[02:38] <_stink_> especially snot
[02:38] <rick_h_> yea, ours got sick a ton the first year+
[02:39] <_stink_> rick_h_: anything new and fun lately with him?
[02:39] <greg-g> December 8th
[02:39] <rick_h_> new day care room, he's going crazy
[02:39] <_stink_> hah
[02:39] <rick_h_> talking up a storm, mostly in baby french
[02:39] <_stink_> oh wow
[02:39] <rick_h_> swim class is back in session, he's terrorizing the lake
[02:39] <_stink_> wait
[02:39] <rick_h_> by baby french I mean it sounds like french, but ain't english
[02:39] <_stink_> you mean French French, or just as a
[02:39] <_stink_> oh
[02:39] <_stink_> ok
[02:39] <_stink_> hah
[02:39] <_stink_> phew
[02:39] <_stink_> was gonna say
[02:39] <rick_h_> he has whole conversations, long sentences/etc
[02:39] <_stink_> move to Canada
[02:39] <rick_h_> just no idea wtf it is
[02:40] <_stink_> hahah, yeah
[02:40] <rick_h_> wish he would concentrate on the single words
[02:40] <rick_h_> but he's started to put together two-word phrases which is cool
[02:40] <rick_h_> "up please" coming out better
[02:40] <_stink_> when ours does that, we say "did you say <random phrase>?" to which he always replies yes
[02:40] <_stink_> doesn't matter what we suggest
[02:40] <rick_h_> lol
[02:40] <rick_h_> he's started to learn no
[02:40] <rick_h_> "is it bed time?" "nooooooo"
[02:40] <_stink_> haha
[02:40] <_stink_> yeah
[02:40] <rick_h_> drags it out and shakes his head
[02:40] <rick_h_> very cute
[02:40] <_stink_> "TOO BAD" i bellow
[02:40] <_stink_> i am very mean.
[02:40] <rick_h_> hah!
[02:41] <rick_h_> dad's are supposed to be :)
[02:41] <rick_h_> dads, wtf I'm becoming the guy my english teacher warned up about
[02:41] <_stink_> it's ok, Friday evening pass
[02:41] <rick_h_> hah, thanks
[02:41] <rick_h_> how's your guy? He's got to be enjoying the outside time these days
[02:42] <_stink_> yeah, lots of bike rides, etc.
[02:42] <_stink_> playing with the 8 year old girl next door
[02:42] <rick_h_> nice, how do you guys bike with him?
[02:42] <_stink_> rick_h_: http://www.ibertinc.com/
[02:42] <_stink_> that
[02:42] <_stink_> got one at REI
[02:43] <_stink_> and it is nice
[02:43] <greg-g> man, I am getting sucked in here, research research research
[02:43] <rick_h_> greg-g: sorry, I didn't save a spreadsheet
[02:43] <_stink_> took it to Mackinac Island and all
[02:43] <rick_h_> _stink_: oh, interesting
[02:43] <rick_h_> hadn't seen those before
[02:43] <greg-g> rick_h_: hah, no worries :)
[02:43] <rick_h_> what are you checking out now?
[02:43] <rick_h_> greg-g: &&
[02:43] <rick_h_> bah ^^
[02:44] <greg-g> carriers: apaprently this one is better for hwen they are heavier: http://www.amazon.com/Ergo-Carrier-Black-Camel-Lining/dp/B0010PW3A4/ref=sr_1_1?s=baby-products&ie=UTF8&qid=1311388975&sr=1-1
[02:44] <rick_h_> _stink_: I went for the trailer. Figured the one cool thing is it's got room for two, so we can hit the store on bike and he can carry the groceries back
[02:44] <_stink_> rick_h_: for sure.  i think we will get one of those eventually
[02:44] <rick_h_> greg-g: well I was very happy with the bjorn I linked.
[02:45] <rick_h_> very light, I was the one that used it mainly
[02:45] <_stink_> you know, we didn't wear him for long
[02:45] <rick_h_> handy to work aorund the house and carry him
[02:45] <rick_h_> and for some of those long nights
[02:45] <_stink_> we have a bjorn and a mobi wrap thing
[02:45] <_stink_> didn't use them a whole lot
[02:45] <rick_h_> yea, I mean it only goes to 20lbs I think?
[02:45] <_stink_> sounds right
[02:45] <_stink_> and ours was/is a CHUNK
[02:45] <rick_h_> I used it a ton, but for just a few months in a row
[02:45] <rick_h_> it was so nice though, to be able to clean the house/etc and just sling him up in it
[02:45] <rick_h_> or go on walks with him that way
[02:46]  * greg-g nods
[02:46] <rick_h_> but yea, it's only useful for a little bit from my point of view
[02:46] <rick_h_> since we didn't put him in too young, they had to be xxx tall to be in it to start with
[02:46] <greg-g> oh, huh
[02:47] <_stink_> the wrap is probably more versatile that way
[02:47] <_stink_> http://www.mobywrap.com/
[02:47] <rick_h_> yea
[02:47] <_stink_> fwiw
[02:47] <_stink_> some people use them until the kid is like 10
[02:47] <_stink_> i only partially kid
[02:47] <rick_h_> lol
[02:47] <_stink_> we didn't use ours too much
[02:47] <rick_h_> yea, I mean by the time they're crawling you'll probably stop
[02:48] <_stink_> because the kid is punching you in the face to get down?
[02:48] <rick_h_> 8mo ish maybe? Should have written stuff down more
[02:48] <rick_h_> because by then you can put them on the floor and get the work/etc done
[02:48] <rick_h_> and they just crawl around chasing you instead
[02:48] <_stink_> haha
[02:48] <_stink_> yeah
[02:48] <_stink_> then they learn to walk, so they chase you around
[02:48] <rick_h_> and go stroller vs carrier for walks/outside
[02:48] <_stink_> and push you away from the counter in the kitchen to get attention
[02:48] <rick_h_> yea, then all #@$@# breaks out
[02:48] <rick_h_> pull on your legs
[02:50] <_stink_> lately ours like to scold the cats
[02:50] <_stink_> when they get near his toys, or jump up on the table
[02:50] <rick_h_> greg-g: other tips, the stoller/car seat combo is priceless
[02:50] <rick_h_> lol
[02:50] <_stink_> "no no maizey.  no no."
[02:50] <rick_h_> awesome
[02:51] <rick_h_> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000VQT4XC/ref=wms_ohs_product_T2 as well since you're having a dec kid
[02:51] <_stink_> yes for sure
[02:51] <_stink_> 100x better than getting them super bundled
[02:52] <rick_h_> yep
[02:52] <_stink_> just kind of bundle + that
[02:52] <rick_h_> yea, tuck a blanket over them and that and you're good
[02:52] <greg-g> just realized, we'll be in SF so, we'll probably be good without it :P
[02:53] <rick_h_> well I mean it's still 60's and such right?
[02:53] <rick_h_> could probably t-shirt it and that, big thing is winter wind
[02:53] <rick_h_> but yea, SF...what is winter in SF
[02:53] <_stink_> a few clouds
[02:53] <greg-g> some rain
[02:53] <rick_h_> hah
[02:53] <greg-g> :)
[02:57] <_stink_> greg-g: ok, i'll try to refrain from unsolicited advice, because we all do it differently
[02:58] <_stink_> BUT
[02:58] <_stink_> i can't resist this one thing
[02:58] <rick_h_> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002WD5R1K was awesome
[02:58] <greg-g> :)
[02:58] <_stink_> we ended up swaddling ours for quite a while, for naps and nighttime
[02:58] <greg-g> really, all advice is helpful
[02:58] <_stink_> and these were easily the best we found: http://www.adenandanais.com/shop/classic.aspx
[02:58] <_stink_> we have 8 of them, and they are still his 'blankies'
[02:58] <greg-g> neato
[02:59] <rick_h_> yea, swaddling is wonders sometimes
[02:59] <rick_h_> though ours went through that phase quickly
[02:59] <_stink_> that's good
[02:59] <_stink_> ours didn't.
[02:59] <rick_h_> but I promise he slept better some nights with it than without
[02:59] <_stink_> ours punched himself in the face over and over again
[03:00] <rick_h_> yea, I think he was crawling/etc more because he only took to it for a bit. Most of the heavy swaddlers were a bit late to that
[03:00] <rick_h_> but it's just a little bit
[03:00] <_stink_> yep, that's ours
[03:00] <_stink_> late to roll, too
[03:01] <rick_h_> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BW51UQ :)
[03:01] <rick_h_> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BQKWHE great gate, have two of them now
[03:01] <rick_h_> going through my amazon order history lol
[03:01] <greg-g> awesome
[03:01] <greg-g> :)
[03:01] <rick_h_> actually suprising little, we made out like bandits from the showers/etc
[03:02] <greg-g> yeah, I'm hoping this registry will help :)
[03:02] <rick_h_> oh, go to mom to mom sales
[03:02] <rick_h_> they're like every freaking weekend
[03:02] <rick_h_> and gold mines for used items
[03:03] <rick_h_> we got a $150 pack and play that looks never used for $30
[03:03] <rick_h_> still use that thing to change diapers on
[03:03] <greg-g> whoa, are they a thing?
[03:03] <rick_h_> http://www.mom2momlist.com/
[03:03] <rick_h_> yes, very real, and something I wish we had discovered earlier
[03:03] <_stink_> i am scared of those
[03:03] <rick_h_> thing of a garage sale with nothing but mom's selling their stuff
[03:03] <_stink_> mostly because i imagine 500 insane mothers
[03:03] <greg-g> ok, we don't understand diapers/duo wraps/diaper covers/etc
[03:04] <greg-g> _stink_: you're probably right
[03:04] <rick_h_> greg-g: we went through it all, just went disposable pampers
[03:04] <rick_h_> when you look at it all, they're about equal environmentally
[03:04] <rick_h_> and the ability to just toss when done is good
[03:04] <rick_h_> yea, we only went to a few of them
[03:04] <rick_h_> but we got some great stuff each time
[03:04] <_stink_> geez, i have never even seen a duo wrap before
[03:05] <rick_h_> especially clothes, they wear them for such a short time
[03:05] <greg-g> what are diaper liners?
[03:05] <rick_h_> and they're expensive
[03:05] <rick_h_> for the bins
[03:05] <rick_h_> they make these fancy garbage cans that seal in the diapers
[03:05] <rick_h_> we have a pair, but ones that take normal kitchen bags
[03:05] <greg-g> oh
[03:06] <rick_h_> http://www.amazon.com/Baby-Trend-Diaper-Champ-Deluxe/dp/B002IWYXH4/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1311390354&sr=8-8
[03:06] <rick_h_> definitely a must have
[03:06] <rick_h_> though we still took out the messy ones out to the trash in the garage vs in the bin
[03:07] <_stink_> we have the same diaper bin as that
[03:07] <_stink_> and we just keep piling the poop in it until it is unbearably smelly.
[03:07] <rick_h_> lol
[03:07] <_stink_> then i cross myself and take it out. :P
[03:07] <rick_h_> yea, it really helps
[03:07] <rick_h_> I always hope the wife fills it first
[03:07] <_stink_> haha
[03:07] <rick_h_> like taking the last bit of the ice tea means you have to make more
[03:08] <_stink_> it's over flowing, but just keep stuffing them in
[03:08] <_stink_> yeah
[03:08] <_stink_> haha
[03:08] <rick_h_> "oh, this last one will fit in there for sure, just have to rock it back/forth and make room"
[03:08] <_stink_> classic
[03:08] <greg-g> gross!
[03:08] <greg-g> :)
[03:08] <rick_h_> lol, you're about to build a whole new definition of gross
[03:09] <greg-g> lol
[03:09] <rick_h_> man, it's ashame you're heading out to CA
[03:09] <rick_h_> you could just borrow most big stuff, swings, pack and play, car seats, etc
[03:09] <rick_h_> I mean even if we were to have a second, you'd be out of the stuff before ours came along
[03:10] <rick_h_> http://www.amazon.com/Fisher-Price-Precious-Planet-Whale-Tub/dp/B0018Z8CN8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1311390605&sr=8-1 really liked that
[03:10] <rick_h_> http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3336550 get a pair of those
[03:10] <greg-g> yeah :(
[03:12] <rick_h_> if you guys know how you're going to deal with feeding and need any advice let us know
[03:12] <rick_h_> erica went through the whole range of stuff and wishes she had done things differently
[03:12] <_stink_> yeah, that was the source of the most stress for us
[03:12] <_stink_> wanted to breast feed, didn't work.
[03:12] <rick_h_> yea, and erica wanted the super high tech special pump and wouldn't get it again
[03:12] <rick_h_> but also wishes she had let me feed sooner, etc
[03:13] <rick_h_> the dr brown bottes I thought were ok, glad we got that dishwasher accessory for it
[03:13] <rick_h_> actually, I can probably send you off with a bunch of those if you wanted
[03:13] <rick_h_> I bought more than we ever used
[03:13] <rick_h_> I thought we'd want to have more so we didn't have to constantly clean them, but you do it anyway
[03:13] <rick_h_> and we hardly used the smaller ones
[03:13] <_stink_> well, it's fun inundating greg-g with baby info, but it's bedtime.  later guys
[03:14] <rick_h_> yea, should head myself, night _stink_
[03:14] <greg-g> g'night _stink_ !
[03:14] <greg-g> thanks rick_h_ Lets talk more later, at least until the other people in here tell us to shutup :)
[03:15] <rick_h_> yea no problem.
[03:16] <greg-g> would love those bottles. I
[03:17] <greg-g> 'll bring you back your charger and we can chat/etc
[03:17] <rick_h_> sure, let's set something up after pyohio
[03:17] <rick_h_> I'll scrounge and see what I can sneak out :)
[11:17] <brousch> damn, i missed all the baby talk last night
[11:20] <brousch> Carriers? front baby bjorn carrier http://the-rousches.smugmug.com/The-Chronicles-of-The-Rousches/2008-04/7987967_YrHb2#281425368_RAkdA
[11:21] <brousch> Stroller? make sure it's tall enough for you. if it's too short it will hurt your back
[11:21] <brousch> Diapers? get one of the sealing things, but get in the habit of tossing poopers outside
[11:22] <brousch> and don't get lazy. if you overstuff them they really stink
[11:23] <brousch> Milk? my wife had a pump that she liked.
[14:04] <snap-l> hoedy
[14:06] <snap-l> nice discussion last nighr
[14:07] <greg-g> :) g'morn
[14:07] <snap-l> also this ssh cliebt doesnt do the auto correction on thr iphone, so youre getting all of the typos wgolesale
[14:07] <greg-g> man, stayed up way too late looking at stuff
[14:08] <greg-g> yay, I love typos
[14:08] <snap-l> starting to get more rral, eh?
[14:09] <snap-l> oh, we need this and this and...
[14:09] <greg-g> very
[14:09] <greg-g> yeah, and stuff that I don't even think of
[14:09] <brousch> i wouldn't buy anything until after you move, otherwise you have to drag it all with you
[14:09] <greg-g> brousch: yeah, for the most part.
[14:09] <snap-l> true dat
[14:09] <brousch> bah, all you need early on is diapers, wipes, milk
[14:10] <brousch> basinet
[14:10] <greg-g> we're going to use a friend's SF address for the deliveries of our wedding/baby registry
[14:10] <brousch> clothes
[14:10] <brousch> blankets
[14:10] <greg-g> and then, if we do find anything good while here, just throwing it in the POD
[14:10] <brousch> good idea
[14:12] <snap-l> will they ship pods avrpss country?
[14:15] <greg-g> snap-l: yeah, they'll ship'em anywhere really
[14:19] <brousch> do you have a place lined up in SF?
[14:27] <greg-g> not yet. posting a housing ad today
[14:27] <greg-g> a "hey, live with us and lets find a great place to live" craigslist (and other places) ad
[22:15] <Milyardo> I have here a legacy application where the original developer used floats as the primary key for users
[22:16] <Milyardo> He must be the biggest dick ever
[22:24] <brousch> does that even work?
[22:26] <Milyardo> I would have never thought so
[22:26] <Milyardo> or at least
[22:26] <Milyardo> the DB wouldn't let you
[23:25] <rick_h_> so he used floats, but they all must be int values
[23:26] <rick_h_> you should be able to just alter the column type recasting the values
[23:26] <rick_h_> I mean, it's not like any sequence will go up by .0001 or anything
[23:31] <brousch> hm, now that i think about it, ordering in our foxpro-based program is with floats
[23:32] <brousch> i don't think indexes are though
[23:41] <brousch> geeker wife
[23:42] <brousch> she refuses linux so she can play games, then gets infected with malware every 6 months
[23:42] <brousch> i caught her just before she was about to use the CC to buy something
[23:43] <brousch> should i beat her with a stick larger than or smaller than my thumb?