[00:00] internal cards can have bad latency, and issue [00:00] s [00:00] whats interesting is that you said it was fine , and then broke [00:00] so, im either not sure that your previous tests were accurate, or an upgrade has broken something [00:01] what i would suggest is looking at one of several live CD's [00:01] kxstudio [00:01] gnuguitarinix [00:01] avlinux [00:01] something where you can run JACK from the live CD, and confirm that indeed the hardware is capable of what you are going for [00:01] there are lots of things that can cause xruns like that [00:01] IRQ sharing [00:02] you could have tested with some USB device *not* plugged it, and all was fine [00:02] now, you could have a USB device that is causing IRQ sharing issues with the sound card [00:02] i can help you look at that [00:03] you just need to give me an idea of what you want to try, and also, you'll need to just choose one [00:03] and try it [00:03] the LIVE cd test will be very telling [00:06] lol [00:11] i dont know whaT hjappened [00:11] i couldnt add stuff [00:11] add? stuff? [00:12] nothing,how do i change a xorg.conf.failsafe file? [00:12] chnage the name i mean [00:13] i just mv it [00:13] sudo mv what/ever what/ever/else [00:13] ok [00:15] so the what/ever/ is the new name i want it changed to? [00:16] yup [00:16] what/ever/else [00:17] sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bkup /etc/X11/xorg.conf [00:18] huh? [00:19] this dude in ubuntu forim said to change it to xorg.bad?what does that mean [00:21] ? [00:22] so that is the exCT command? [00:23] stephenthemartyr: the machine is looking for, and will use any xorg.conf [00:23] if you rename it, it wont use it [00:23] what forum? and whats the issue? [00:23] same issue graphics nthing i guess,ubuntu forum [00:24] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11076167#post11076167 [00:25] yeah, those are unrelated [00:25] id bet quite a large sum on it [00:25] i know you had a crash, and now the xruns [00:25] but, im almost positive those are unrelated [00:26] ok so what do i do [00:26] stephenthemartyr: get one of those live CD's [00:26] and test like i suggested [00:26] damn [00:27] ok so i need a cd or dvd? [00:27] and then i put the os on it [00:27] ? [00:27] stephenthemartyr: you burn a live CD [00:27] you can literally google that if you need to [00:27] i would download gnuguitarinix [00:28] yea but i dont want to cuz every time i google i have to run down a rabbit hole here and there and i never get anything figured out [00:28] i am dum at computers [00:28] i need special help [00:28] http://gnuguitarinux.sourceforge.net/ [00:28] its going to fit on a CD AFAIK [00:28] afaik dont know what that is [00:28] stephenthemartyr: you'll be smart at computers soon enough [00:29] as far as i know* [00:29] AFAIK ^^ [00:29] oh [00:29] told yuou [00:29] eh... now you know :) [00:30] am i going to lose my music i recorded so far? [00:30] stephenthemartyr: well, you need to back *everything* up [00:31] period... [00:31] i dont know how [00:31] yes google it [00:31] if you have something on only one hard drive, you are about to lose that data [00:31] hard drives fail, all of them do/will [00:31] oh well this guitar one looks not stable [00:31] so, you need to backup you data... but, this is the purpose of a LIVE CD [00:31] it runs live [00:31] so im wiping my system and starting over? [00:32] ok [00:32] which means you *dont* touch your current systems hard drive [00:32] if you are nervous about that, just unplug the hard drive [00:33] no i9 dont know how to do that [00:33] ok im at the cd live thoing [00:33] which one should i use? [00:34] stephenthemartyr: literally which ever one you want [00:34] if the testing one sounds unstable, download the older stable one [00:34] oh so this is like a new system that is not broke huh? [00:34] stephenthemartyr: exactly [00:34] this is a way to take your OS out of the equation [00:35] the guitar one?i dont think it is at the ubuntu live site [00:35] stephenthemartyr: its not ubuntu... so it won be [00:35] its at the site i linked [00:35] we dont have a live CD currently, so if you want a live CD that has JACK, you'll need either KXstudio, avlinux, or gnuguitarinix [00:36] yea i know but what do you know about that os? [00:36] stephenthemartyr: know about it? [00:36] oh [00:36] yeah, its a live distro based on ubuntu [00:36] i see [00:36] that has JACK in it [00:36] its what you need to do the current test [00:36] right so i cant use the studio [00:36] IF you dont feel comfortable, you dont have to [00:37] its not that im just confused [00:37] you just wont convince me that you didnt break something else about that machine without doing something like this [00:37] i just want to understand [00:37] ok ill do it [00:37] so the guitar one [00:37] this way, i'll know that the machine is capable of running JACK [00:37] stephenthemartyr: gnuguitarinix is small-ish [00:37] the others are DVD sized [00:37] well it was running earlier today,i recorded a whole song [00:38] stephenthemartyr: do you have a USB device you are plugging in? [00:38] then i opened guitarix and xruncity [00:38] no a cd [00:38] stephenthemartyr: im telling you that USB devices can potentially cause xruns [00:39] certain programs can too [00:39] i preffert rackarrack to guitarix [00:39] i think its better supported [00:39] i just cant get good distortion ive tried everything [00:39] did you try rackarrack? [00:39] should i try that first or jus cd liove [00:40] not on this [00:40] comp [00:40] i have a usb fan cooler thing for my computer is that bad?and i have skype [00:41] im a lost cause arent i [00:42] lol [00:42] i really like rackarrack [00:42] sounds great to me ;) [00:42] but what do i know... [00:42] so i hit download on guitarlinux but how do i put it on my cd? [00:42] stephenthemartyr: you use the copy option [00:42] ahhhh mopre than me i hope [00:42] and select the downloaded .iso as the source, and the blank CD as the destination [00:43] as in right click copylocation [00:43] as in, open a burning application [00:43] brasero, K3B, whatever [00:44] and choose 'copy disc" [00:44] ok brasero and then what [00:44] then, in the menu, where you choose what you want to do? [00:44] you choose *copy* [00:45] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto [00:48] ok lost,so i download the guitar one right?i have brasero open and the cd is in there [00:48] please [00:48] stephenthemartyr: did you take a look at that link? [00:49] there are literally about 8 suggestions there [00:49] and i found that by litterally googling 'burn live cd' [00:49] i mean, im happy to help, but i think a healthy sense of self discovery is important [00:50] yes i read it but where is the iso for this gujitar one [00:50] ur right [00:50] stephenthemartyr: it'll be where ever you had it downloaded to [00:50] probably /home/you/Downloads [00:51] ok yea im downloading it,it says 45 minutes,is that normal? [00:51] depends on your specific network speed [00:52] i can DL an image of that size in about 8 minutes, assuming the server speed is strong [00:52] hmmm the 700mb guitar one? [00:53] ok so i download put it on cd then reboot using cd and run jack right? [00:55] well, you do what you want to do [00:55] im suggesting that to take your OS out of the equation [00:55] then, you'll know generally if its hardware or software [00:58] ok then ull help me again [00:58] or should i get lost [00:58] ha [00:58] nah [00:58] stephenthemartyr: im glad your here :) [00:59] im just trying to help you learn how to learn as well... [01:13] yea thanks i really appreciate,i wish i could get a job doin comp stuff,im 31 lyme disease no college [01:14] just musical ability and lack of way to record,its b [01:15] thanks holstein i jus get discouraged eASYA,like pathetically easy [02:27] hey you still here? [02:27] o/ [02:27] yep [02:27] haha [02:27] i downloaded it but when i right click it there is no"write to disc tab [02:28] you can do it the way i suggested [02:28] open brasero [02:28] or any other burner [02:28] go to the 'copy disc' option [02:28] i did [02:28] yes [02:28] ^^ might not be exacly that jargon [02:29] use the downloaded .iso as the source, and the blank CD as the destination [02:29] dude thT guitar one is an img [02:29] shit [02:29] .img, .iso [02:29] whatever [02:29] should work [02:31] so i select image to burn then pick the img [02:31] stephenthemartyr: give it a try :) [02:47] ok so now i reboot and pick the guitar one [02:48] stephenthemartyr: you'll need to reboot, and boot that CD [02:48] however that works for you [02:48] its different from machine to machine [02:50] ok i dont know actually [02:50] you installed ubuntu somehow [02:50] from CD i assume [02:50] cd or dvd [02:50] however you booted that install media will be the same process [03:14] holstein its not rebooting from cd it goes to grub menu [03:15] stephenthemartyr: dont lose any sleep over it [03:15] its just a troubleshooting stop [03:15] step* [03:15] its something i routinely do [03:15] it rules out the onboard installed OS [03:15] just move on [03:15] try the recovery kernel [03:16] see if you can fix whatever graphics issue you have [03:16] ok [03:16] you might want to try to reinstall [03:16] so reboot into which kernel? [03:16] stephenthemartyr: which ever recovery kernel you want [05:49] anyone know why guitarix eats so much cpu ? [05:50] rakarak distortion sucks kinda, [05:51] no? [09:55] hey can anyone here help me with wifi setup on natty narhwal === StillLearnin_ is now known as StillLearnin [19:41] would anyone know if the'low-latency kernel by Alessio Igor Bogani is any good? [20:12] stephenthemartyr: ? [20:12] depends [20:12] if you want lower latency its great [20:12] if it doesnt support some of your hardware, you might not like the trade off [20:12] very soon, we wont need a different kernel for audio [20:13] you really dont *need* one now [20:13] ok [20:13] how can i get guitarix not to cause x-runs [20:14] stephenthemartyr: did you try guitarix live? [20:14] in gnuguitarinux? [20:14] *for example* http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia#Realtime_kernel [20:16] i think its like an amp and distortion modeler thing [20:16] with jack capabilities [20:16] i dont know what that link means [20:16] i read it tho [20:17] stephenthemartyr: yeah, im aware of what guitarix is [20:17] that link is what debian upstream is doing concerning having/maintaining a realtime kernel [20:17] ha well any ideas on how to get it to qwork without so many x-runs?the ratarak doesnt sound good to me at all [20:18] what im wondering is, while you run a live distro such as gnuguitarinix, can you run guitarix without xruns? [20:18] oh should i add that repository? [20:18] stephenthemartyr: what repository? [20:18] abogani's? [20:18] if you want [20:18] ok when i restart my computer how to i get to the screen that allows me to chnage order of boot so it boots from cd? [20:18] would it help? [20:19] stephenthemartyr: the bios [20:19] the one from the linkl [20:19] that machine specific [20:19] you can try googling [20:19] i hate googling [20:19] stephenthemartyr: so, rackarrack runs stable? [20:20] yes but its distortion sounds terrible [20:20] stephenthemartyr: i dont think you are every going to get realtime effects processing that you are happy with using an internal sound card [20:20] stephenthemartyr: try #rackarrack [20:20] transmorgramofix is the dev [20:21] what is a i have it sounds bad,what is an external coundcard? [20:21] i preffer rakkarck [20:21] rackarrack [20:21] its very well supported [20:21] stephenthemartyr: i have a firewire audio device [20:21] presonus firepod [20:22] you dont have to get that, but, you are going to be lucky to get in the 20ms range with an internal card [20:22] i think 10 or 12 would be tolerable [20:22] i can get 1.2 stable with my card [20:22] how do i get even 20ms [20:23] * holstein shrugs [20:23] i dont really mess around with lantency on internal cards [20:23] im happy if i can get 60 or so [20:23] what could i do to imnprove the latency of the current equipment i have [20:23] if you want to record, and apply the distrotion afterwards, the latency onwt matter [20:23] wont* [20:23] i am disabled and canmnot work and have been waiting for disability for 2 years [20:24] what would allow me to add the distortion after [20:24] stephenthemartyr: there are nice PCI cards for around $100 [20:24] and USB devices for $20 or so i think [20:24] usb devices? [20:24] stephenthemartyr: you just record, and add the distrortion later [20:24] however you want [20:24] via JACK [20:24] in ardour with thopse effects? [20:25] route the recorded signal to rackarrack or guitarx and record [20:25] stephenthemartyr: or in ardour [20:25] however [20:25] you can ust JACK to do literally anything [20:25] stephenthemartyr: USB... universla serial bus? [20:25] oh and re-record the already recorder track back into ardour aFTER it is run thru guitarix? [20:25] like the little squarish hole on your computer? [20:25] stephenthemartyr: sure [20:26] im just makiong sure thats what you mean [20:26] stephenthemartyr: what im saying is... you are trying to make a dollar out of 15 cents [20:26] and its not going to happen [20:26] yes a usb i know what that is [20:26] but, you can get good results [20:26] what isnt gunna happen [20:26] good results are good enough [20:27] stephenthemartyr: your never going to have 6ms latency with thta hardware [20:27] that* [20:27] you can record with out monitoring what you are recording [20:27] thats ok id be glad for 20 ms right now its at 49ms cuz the frames is at 1024 [20:27] ardour will adjust for the high latency [20:27] and you apply effects aferwards [20:27] how will it adjust? [20:28] stephenthemartyr: its takes the latency and compensates [20:28] scoots whateve you record over that far [20:28] oh would i still here the latency while i am recording? [20:28] stephenthemartyr: you wont [20:28] oh [20:28] you wont monitor what you are recording [20:28] for example [20:28] i do [20:28] you plug the guitar in [20:28] ok [20:28] not monitoring with the computer [20:28] record [20:29] then, IF you want to overdub [20:29] you get the recorded track playing [20:29] what comes after plugging guitar in [20:29] and you still DONT monitor the guitar [20:29] the guitar gets recorded late [20:29] ok [20:29] and ardour compensates [20:29] everything you heard was in time [20:30] everything you hear when you listen back is in tiem [20:30] time* [20:30] ok cool [20:30] i nunderstand [20:30] in that scenario the latency can be quite high [20:30] you'll never need it to be low [20:31] do you know how to use busses to add effects and is that best?ive read how tos and watched tuturials and i dont understand still [20:32] well my computer speakers suck ass so i have headphones so i monitor myguitar in the comp so i can listen to both when i record but i guess thats not a good idea? [20:32] stephenthemartyr: thats what im saying [20:33] its a fine idea assuming you have low latency [20:33] but, its not necssary [20:33] you can relax JACK, and you much more meager hardware [20:34] relax jack =increase frames? [20:34] stephenthemartyr: http://wootangent.net/2010/12/jconvoler-inserts-and-sends-a-triple-header-tutorial/ [20:34] and meager hardware =? [20:34] stephenthemartyr: frames/period [20:34] and periods/buffer [20:35] meager hardware = not great gear [20:35] ahhhh [20:35] what did you mean and you much more meager? [20:35] stephenthemartyr: i meant, you dont have to go and spend money and get fancier gear [20:36] you can use what you got [20:36] stephenthemartyr: take a minute, and look at ANY professional studio [20:36] then, look at your rig [20:36] yes i have been in pro studios [20:36] and try and maintain realistic expectations [20:36] i have recorded 2 albnums with a band i was in [20:37] i get it,my shit sucks [20:37] stephenthemartyr: you'll NEVER see any internal sound cards in use [20:37] stephenthemartyr: it doesnt such [20:37] suck* [20:37] but im just trying to figure out how i can optimize what i have right now [20:37] its more meager than what the pros use [20:37] i know [20:37] SO, if you dont try and monitor in realtime [20:37] im not a pro [20:37] and relax JACK [20:37] you can get decent results [20:38] BBL [20:38] ok so i should just record my guitar without listening to it while i record [20:38] stephenthemartyr: right [20:38] ok [20:38] thank you [20:38] listen to it acoustically [20:38] so much [20:38] or thorugh an amp [20:38] ok [20:38] thanks [20:38] or headphones in a mixer [20:38] whatever [20:38] just dont let the computer do it [20:38] yea i got it [20:38] ok [20:38] :) [20:39] thank you for yourm patience [20:39] i really appreciate your help [20:39] sure... im glad to give it... im on some bad internet though... [20:48] cool [20:48] much better :) [20:50] stephenthemartyr: your gear doesnt suck, its just not designed for that purpose [20:50] yea i got it [20:50] so, you'll have to be more patient with it, and work a little harder [20:51] i just want to have decent demo recordings of my songs with guitars/vocals/hydrogen drums/and sometimes a synth [20:51] yea your right [20:51] hmmm [20:51] synth is harder [20:51] the problem is i need help from a real person like you [20:51] you can build a part though [20:51] i could read 100 pages on things and still not understand [20:52] its challenging to use software synths, since the computer is in charge of creating the sounds you'll need to hear [20:52] but, you can craft a part with some piano roll editor [20:52] yea [20:52] i have a keyboard [20:52] totally do-able [20:52] but apparentely its midi function doesnt work, [20:52] yeah? [20:52] its got a line out i bet :) [20:52] pianoroll editor like lmms or is their another [20:53] yea it does [20:53] why? [20:53] stephenthemartyr: im not sure... you should try and catch [lsd] in #opensourcemusians [20:53] he's my go-to midi guy [20:53] cool [20:53] stephenthemartyr: you can just line out of the keyboard, and record it [20:54] true [20:54] cant tweak the saound as much [20:54]