[00:00] <holstein> internal cards can have bad latency, and issue
[00:00] <holstein> s
[00:00] <holstein> whats interesting is that you said it was fine , and then broke
[00:00] <holstein> so, im either not sure that your previous tests were accurate, or an upgrade has broken something
[00:01] <holstein> what i would suggest is looking at one of several live CD's
[00:01] <holstein> kxstudio
[00:01] <holstein> gnuguitarinix
[00:01] <holstein> avlinux
[00:01] <holstein> something where you can run JACK from the live CD, and confirm that indeed the hardware is capable of what you are going for
[00:01] <holstein> there are lots of things that can cause xruns like that
[00:01] <holstein> IRQ sharing
[00:02] <holstein> you could have tested with some USB device *not* plugged it, and all was fine
[00:02] <holstein> now, you could have a USB device that is causing IRQ sharing issues with the sound card
[00:02] <holstein> i can help you look at that
[00:03] <holstein> you just need to give me an idea of what you want to try, and also, you'll need to just choose one
[00:03] <holstein> and try it
[00:03] <holstein> the LIVE cd test will be very telling
[00:06] <holstein> lol
[00:11] <stephenthemartyr> i dont know whaT hjappened
[00:11] <stephenthemartyr> i couldnt add stuff
[00:11] <holstein> add? stuff?
[00:12] <stephenthemartyr> nothing,how do i change a xorg.conf.failsafe file?
[00:12] <stephenthemartyr> chnage the name i mean
[00:13] <holstein> i just mv it
[00:13] <holstein> sudo mv what/ever what/ever/else
[00:13] <stephenthemartyr> ok
[00:15] <stephenthemartyr> so the what/ever/ is the new name i want it changed to?
[00:16] <holstein> yup
[00:16] <holstein> what/ever/else
[00:17] <holstein> sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bkup /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:18] <stephenthemartyr> huh?
[00:19] <stephenthemartyr> this dude in ubuntu forim said to change it to xorg.bad?what does that mean
[00:21] <stephenthemartyr> ?
[00:22] <stephenthemartyr> so that is the exCT  command?
[00:23] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: the machine is looking for, and will use any xorg.conf
[00:23] <holstein> if you rename it, it wont use it
[00:23] <holstein> what forum? and whats the issue?
[00:23] <stephenthemartyr> same issue graphics nthing i guess,ubuntu forum
[00:24] <stephenthemartyr> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11076167#post11076167
[00:25] <holstein> yeah, those are unrelated
[00:25] <holstein> id bet quite a large sum on it
[00:25] <holstein> i know you had a crash, and now the xruns
[00:25] <holstein> but, im almost positive those are unrelated
[00:26] <stephenthemartyr> ok so what do i do
[00:26] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: get one of those live CD's
[00:26] <holstein> and test like i suggested
[00:26] <stephenthemartyr> damn
[00:27] <stephenthemartyr> ok so i need a cd or dvd?
[00:27] <stephenthemartyr> and then i put the os on it
[00:27] <stephenthemartyr> ?
[00:27] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: you burn a live CD
[00:27] <holstein> you can literally google that if you need to
[00:27] <holstein> i would download gnuguitarinix
[00:28] <stephenthemartyr> yea but i dont want to cuz every time i google i have to run down a rabbit hole here and there and i never get anything figured out
[00:28] <stephenthemartyr> i am dum at computers
[00:28] <stephenthemartyr> i need special help
[00:28] <holstein> http://gnuguitarinux.sourceforge.net/
[00:28] <holstein> its going to fit on a CD AFAIK
[00:28] <stephenthemartyr> afaik dont know what that is
[00:28] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: you'll be smart at computers soon enough
[00:29] <holstein> as far as i know*
[00:29] <holstein> AFAIK ^^
[00:29] <stephenthemartyr> oh
[00:29] <stephenthemartyr> told yuou
[00:29] <holstein> eh... now you know :)
[00:30] <stephenthemartyr> am i going to lose my music i recorded so far?
[00:30] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: well, you need to back *everything* up
[00:31] <holstein> period...
[00:31] <stephenthemartyr> i dont know how
[00:31] <stephenthemartyr> yes google it
[00:31] <holstein> if you have something on only one hard drive, you are about to lose that data
[00:31] <holstein> hard drives fail, all of them do/will
[00:31] <stephenthemartyr> oh well this guitar one looks not stable
[00:31] <holstein> so, you need to backup you data... but, this is the purpose of a LIVE CD
[00:31] <holstein> it runs live
[00:31] <stephenthemartyr> so im wiping my system and starting over?
[00:32] <stephenthemartyr> ok
[00:32] <holstein> which means you *dont* touch your current systems hard drive
[00:32] <holstein> if you are nervous about that, just unplug the hard drive
[00:33] <stephenthemartyr> no i9 dont know how to do that
[00:33] <stephenthemartyr> ok im at the cd live thoing
[00:33] <stephenthemartyr> which one should i use?
[00:34] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: literally which ever one you want
[00:34] <holstein> if the testing one sounds unstable, download the older stable one
[00:34] <stephenthemartyr> oh so this is like a new system that is not broke huh?
[00:34] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: exactly
[00:34] <holstein> this is a way to take your OS out of the equation
[00:35] <stephenthemartyr> the guitar one?i dont think it is at the ubuntu live site
[00:35] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: its not ubuntu... so it won be
[00:35] <holstein> its at the site i linked
[00:35] <holstein> we dont have a live CD currently, so if you want a live CD that has JACK, you'll need either KXstudio, avlinux, or gnuguitarinix
[00:36] <stephenthemartyr> yea i know but what do you know about that os?
[00:36] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: know about it?
[00:36] <stephenthemartyr> oh
[00:36] <holstein> yeah, its a live distro based on ubuntu
[00:36] <stephenthemartyr> i see
[00:36] <holstein> that has JACK in it
[00:36] <holstein> its what you need to do the current test
[00:36] <stephenthemartyr> right so i cant use the studio
[00:36] <holstein> IF you dont feel comfortable, you dont have to
[00:37] <stephenthemartyr> its not that im just confused
[00:37] <holstein> you just wont convince me that you didnt break something else about that machine without doing something like this
[00:37] <stephenthemartyr> i just want to understand
[00:37] <stephenthemartyr> ok ill do it
[00:37] <stephenthemartyr> so the guitar one
[00:37] <holstein> this way, i'll know that the machine is capable of running JACK
[00:37] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: gnuguitarinix is small-ish
[00:37] <holstein> the others are DVD sized
[00:37] <stephenthemartyr> well it was running earlier today,i recorded a whole song
[00:38] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: do you have a USB device you are plugging in?
[00:38] <stephenthemartyr> then i opened guitarix and xruncity
[00:38] <stephenthemartyr> no a cd
[00:38] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: im telling you that USB devices can potentially cause xruns
[00:39] <holstein> certain programs can too
[00:39] <holstein> i preffert rackarrack to guitarix
[00:39] <holstein> i think its better supported
[00:39] <stephenthemartyr> i just cant get good distortion ive tried everything
[00:39] <holstein> did you try rackarrack?
[00:39] <stephenthemartyr> should i try that first or jus cd liove
[00:40] <stephenthemartyr> not on this
[00:40] <stephenthemartyr> comp
[00:40] <stephenthemartyr> i have a usb fan cooler thing for my computer is that bad?and i have skype
[00:41] <stephenthemartyr> im a lost cause arent i
[00:42] <holstein> lol
[00:42] <holstein> i really like rackarrack
[00:42] <holstein> sounds great to me ;)
[00:42] <holstein> but what do i know...
[00:42] <stephenthemartyr> so i hit download on guitarlinux but how do i put it on my cd?
[00:42] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: you use the copy option
[00:42] <stephenthemartyr> ahhhh mopre than me i hope
[00:42] <holstein> and select the downloaded .iso as the source, and the blank CD as the destination
[00:43] <stephenthemartyr> as in right click copylocation
[00:43] <holstein> as in, open a burning application
[00:43] <holstein> brasero, K3B, whatever
[00:44] <holstein> and choose 'copy disc"
[00:44] <stephenthemartyr> ok brasero and then what
[00:44] <holstein> then, in the menu, where you choose what you want to do?
[00:44] <holstein> you choose *copy*
[00:45] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[00:48] <stephenthemartyr> ok lost,so i download the guitar one right?i have brasero open and the cd is in there
[00:48] <stephenthemartyr> please
[00:48] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: did you take a look at that link?
[00:49] <holstein> there are literally about 8 suggestions there
[00:49] <holstein> and i found that by litterally googling 'burn live cd'
[00:49] <holstein> i mean, im happy to help, but i think a healthy sense of self discovery is important
[00:50] <stephenthemartyr> yes i read it but where is the iso for this gujitar one
[00:50] <stephenthemartyr> ur right
[00:50] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: it'll be where ever you had it downloaded to
[00:50] <holstein> probably /home/you/Downloads
[00:51] <stephenthemartyr> ok yea im downloading it,it says 45 minutes,is that normal?
[00:51] <holstein> depends on your specific network speed
[00:52] <holstein> i can DL an image of that size in about 8 minutes, assuming the server speed is strong
[00:52] <stephenthemartyr> hmmm the 700mb guitar one?
[00:53] <stephenthemartyr> ok so i download put it on cd then reboot using cd and run jack right?
[00:55] <holstein> well, you do what you want to do
[00:55] <holstein> im suggesting that to take your OS out of the equation
[00:55] <holstein> then, you'll know generally if its hardware or software
[00:58] <stephenthemartyr> ok then ull help me again
[00:58] <stephenthemartyr> or should i get lost
[00:58] <stephenthemartyr> ha
[00:58] <holstein> nah
[00:58] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: im glad your here :)
[00:59] <holstein> im just trying to help you learn how to learn as well...
[01:13] <stephenthemartyr> yea thanks i really appreciate,i wish i could get a job doin comp stuff,im 31 lyme disease no college
[01:14] <stephenthemartyr> just musical ability and lack of way to record,its b
[01:15] <stephenthemartyr> thanks holstein i jus get discouraged eASYA,like pathetically easy
[02:27] <stephenthemartyr> hey you still here?
[02:27] <holstein> o/
[02:27] <stephenthemartyr> yep
[02:27] <stephenthemartyr> haha
[02:27] <stephenthemartyr> i downloaded it but when i right click it there is no"write to disc tab
[02:28] <holstein> you can do it the way i suggested
[02:28] <holstein> open brasero
[02:28] <holstein> or any other burner
[02:28] <holstein> go to the 'copy disc' option
[02:28] <stephenthemartyr> i did
[02:28] <stephenthemartyr> yes
[02:28] <holstein> ^^ might not be exacly that jargon
[02:29] <holstein> use the downloaded .iso as the source, and the blank CD as the destination
[02:29] <stephenthemartyr> dude thT guitar one is an img
[02:29] <stephenthemartyr> shit
[02:29] <holstein> .img, .iso
[02:29] <holstein> whatever
[02:29] <holstein> should work
[02:31] <stephenthemartyr> so i select image to burn then pick the img
[02:31] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: give it a try :)
[02:47] <stephenthemartyr> ok so now i reboot and pick the guitar one
[02:48] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: you'll need to reboot, and boot that CD
[02:48] <holstein> however that works for you
[02:48] <holstein> its different from machine to machine
[02:50] <stephenthemartyr> ok i dont know actually
[02:50] <holstein> you installed ubuntu somehow
[02:50] <holstein> from CD i assume
[02:50] <holstein> cd or dvd
[02:50] <holstein> however you booted that install media will be the same process
[03:14] <stephenthemartyr> holstein its not rebooting from cd it goes to grub menu
[03:15] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: dont lose any sleep over it
[03:15] <holstein> its just a troubleshooting stop
[03:15] <holstein> step*
[03:15] <holstein> its something i routinely do
[03:15] <holstein> it rules out the onboard installed OS
[03:15] <holstein> just move on
[03:15] <holstein> try the recovery kernel
[03:16] <holstein> see if you can fix whatever graphics issue you have
[03:16] <stephenthemartyr> ok
[03:16] <holstein> you might want to try to reinstall
[03:16] <stephenthemartyr> so reboot into which kernel?
[03:16] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: which ever recovery kernel you want
[05:49] <stephenthemartyr> anyone know why guitarix eats so much cpu ?
[05:50] <stephenthemartyr> rakarak distortion sucks kinda,
[05:51] <stephenthemartyr> no?
[09:55] <anurag_> hey can anyone here help me with wifi setup on natty narhwal
[19:41] <stephenthemartyr> would anyone know if the'low-latency kernel by Alessio Igor Bogani is any good?
[20:12] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: ?
[20:12] <holstein> depends
[20:12] <holstein> if you want lower latency its great
[20:12] <holstein> if it doesnt support some of your hardware, you might not like the trade off
[20:12] <holstein> very soon, we wont need a different kernel for audio
[20:13] <holstein> you really dont *need* one now
[20:13] <stephenthemartyr> ok
[20:13] <stephenthemartyr> how can i get guitarix not to cause x-runs
[20:14] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: did you try guitarix live?
[20:14] <holstein> in gnuguitarinux?
[20:14] <holstein> *for example* http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia#Realtime_kernel
[20:16] <stephenthemartyr> i think its like an amp and distortion modeler thing
[20:16] <stephenthemartyr> with jack capabilities
[20:16] <stephenthemartyr> i dont know what that link means
[20:16] <stephenthemartyr> i read it tho
[20:17] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: yeah, im aware of what guitarix is
[20:17] <holstein> that link is what debian upstream is doing concerning having/maintaining a realtime kernel
[20:17] <stephenthemartyr> ha well any ideas on how to get it to qwork without so many x-runs?the ratarak doesnt sound good to me at all
[20:18] <holstein> what im wondering is, while you run a live distro such as gnuguitarinix, can you run guitarix without xruns?
[20:18] <stephenthemartyr> oh should i add that repository?
[20:18] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: what repository?
[20:18] <holstein> abogani's?
[20:18] <holstein> if you want
[20:18] <stephenthemartyr> ok when i restart my computer how to i get to the screen that allows me to chnage order of boot so it boots from cd?
[20:18] <stephenthemartyr> would it help?
[20:19] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: the bios
[20:19] <stephenthemartyr> the one from the linkl
[20:19] <holstein> that machine specific
[20:19] <holstein> you can try googling
[20:19] <stephenthemartyr> i hate googling
[20:19] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: so, rackarrack runs stable?
[20:20] <stephenthemartyr> yes but its distortion sounds terrible
[20:20] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: i dont think you are every going to get realtime effects processing that you are happy with using an internal sound card
[20:20] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: try #rackarrack
[20:20] <holstein> transmorgramofix is the dev
[20:21] <stephenthemartyr> what is a i have it sounds bad,what is an external coundcard?
[20:21] <holstein> i preffer rakkarck
[20:21] <holstein> rackarrack
[20:21] <holstein> its very well supported
[20:21] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: i have a firewire audio device
[20:21] <holstein> presonus firepod
[20:22] <holstein> you dont have to get that, but, you are going to be lucky to get in the 20ms range with an internal card
[20:22] <holstein> i think 10 or 12 would be tolerable
[20:22] <holstein> i can get 1.2 stable with my card
[20:22] <stephenthemartyr> how do i get even 20ms
[20:23]  * holstein shrugs
[20:23] <holstein> i dont really mess around with lantency on internal cards
[20:23] <holstein> im happy if i can get 60 or so
[20:23] <stephenthemartyr> what could i do to imnprove the latency of the current equipment i have
[20:23] <holstein> if you want to record, and apply the distrotion afterwards, the latency onwt matter
[20:23] <holstein> wont*
[20:23] <stephenthemartyr> i am disabled and canmnot work and have been waiting for disability for 2 years
[20:24] <stephenthemartyr> what would allow me to add the distortion after
[20:24] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: there are nice PCI cards for around $100
[20:24] <holstein> and USB devices for $20 or so i think
[20:24] <stephenthemartyr> usb devices?
[20:24] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: you just record, and add the distrortion later
[20:24] <holstein> however you want
[20:24] <holstein> via JACK
[20:24] <stephenthemartyr> in ardour with thopse effects?
[20:25] <holstein> route the recorded signal to rackarrack or guitarx and record
[20:25] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: or in ardour
[20:25] <holstein> however
[20:25] <holstein> you can ust JACK to do literally anything
[20:25] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: USB... universla serial bus?
[20:25] <stephenthemartyr> oh and re-record the already recorder track back into ardour aFTER it is run thru guitarix?
[20:25] <holstein> like the little squarish hole on your computer?
[20:25] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: sure
[20:26] <stephenthemartyr> im just makiong sure thats what you mean
[20:26] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: what im saying is... you are trying to make a dollar out of 15 cents
[20:26] <holstein> and its not going to happen
[20:26] <stephenthemartyr> yes a usb i know what that is
[20:26] <holstein> but, you can get good results
[20:26] <stephenthemartyr> what isnt gunna happen
[20:26] <stephenthemartyr> good results are good enough
[20:27] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: your never going to have 6ms latency with thta hardware
[20:27] <holstein> that*
[20:27] <holstein> you can record with out monitoring what you are recording
[20:27] <stephenthemartyr> thats ok id be glad for 20 ms right now its at 49ms cuz the frames is at 1024
[20:27] <holstein> ardour will adjust for the high latency
[20:27] <holstein> and you apply effects aferwards
[20:27] <stephenthemartyr> how will it adjust?
[20:28] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: its takes the latency and compensates
[20:28] <holstein> scoots whateve you record over that far
[20:28] <stephenthemartyr> oh would i still here the latency while i am recording?
[20:28] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: you wont
[20:28] <stephenthemartyr> oh
[20:28] <holstein> you wont monitor what you are recording
[20:28] <holstein> for example
[20:28] <stephenthemartyr> i do
[20:28] <holstein> you plug the guitar in
[20:28] <stephenthemartyr> ok
[20:28] <holstein> not monitoring with the computer
[20:28] <holstein> record
[20:29] <holstein> then, IF you want to overdub
[20:29] <holstein> you get the recorded track playing
[20:29] <stephenthemartyr> what comes after plugging guitar in
[20:29] <holstein> and you still DONT monitor the guitar
[20:29] <holstein> the guitar gets recorded late
[20:29] <stephenthemartyr> ok
[20:29] <holstein> and ardour compensates
[20:29] <holstein> everything you heard was in time
[20:30] <holstein> everything you hear when you listen back is in tiem
[20:30] <holstein> time*
[20:30] <stephenthemartyr> ok cool
[20:30] <stephenthemartyr> i nunderstand
[20:30] <holstein> in that scenario the latency can be quite high
[20:30] <holstein> you'll never need it to be low
[20:31] <stephenthemartyr> do you know how to use busses to add effects and is that best?ive read how tos and watched tuturials and i dont understand still
[20:32] <stephenthemartyr> well my computer speakers suck ass so i have headphones so i monitor myguitar in the comp so i can listen to both when i record but i guess thats not a good idea?
[20:32] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: thats what im saying
[20:33] <holstein> its a fine idea assuming you have low latency
[20:33] <holstein> but, its not necssary
[20:33] <holstein> you can relax JACK, and you much more meager hardware
[20:34] <stephenthemartyr> relax jack =increase frames?
[20:34] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: http://wootangent.net/2010/12/jconvoler-inserts-and-sends-a-triple-header-tutorial/
[20:34] <stephenthemartyr> and meager hardware =?
[20:34] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: frames/period
[20:34] <holstein> and periods/buffer
[20:35] <holstein> meager hardware = not great gear
[20:35] <stephenthemartyr> ahhhh
[20:35] <stephenthemartyr> what did you mean and you much more meager?
[20:35] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: i meant, you dont have to go and spend money and get fancier gear
[20:36] <holstein> you can use what you got
[20:36] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: take a minute, and look at ANY professional studio
[20:36] <holstein> then, look at your rig
[20:36] <stephenthemartyr> yes i have been in pro studios
[20:36] <holstein> and try and maintain realistic expectations
[20:36] <stephenthemartyr> i have recorded 2 albnums with a band i was in
[20:37] <stephenthemartyr> i get it,my shit sucks
[20:37] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: you'll NEVER see any internal sound cards in use
[20:37] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: it doesnt such
[20:37] <holstein> suck*
[20:37] <stephenthemartyr> but im just trying to figure out how i can optimize what i have right now
[20:37] <holstein> its more meager than what the pros use
[20:37] <stephenthemartyr> i know
[20:37] <holstein> SO, if you dont try and monitor in realtime
[20:37] <stephenthemartyr> im not a pro
[20:37] <holstein> and relax JACK
[20:37] <holstein> you can get decent results
[20:38] <holstein> BBL
[20:38] <stephenthemartyr> ok so i should just record my guitar without listening to it while i record
[20:38] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: right
[20:38] <stephenthemartyr> ok
[20:38] <stephenthemartyr> thank you
[20:38] <holstein> listen to it acoustically
[20:38] <stephenthemartyr> so much
[20:38] <holstein> or thorugh an amp
[20:38] <stephenthemartyr> ok
[20:38] <stephenthemartyr> thanks
[20:38] <holstein> or headphones in a mixer
[20:38] <holstein> whatever
[20:38] <holstein> just dont let the computer do it
[20:38] <stephenthemartyr> yea i got it
[20:38] <stephenthemartyr> ok
[20:38] <holstein> :)
[20:39] <stephenthemartyr> thank you for yourm patience
[20:39] <stephenthemartyr> i really appreciate your help
[20:39] <holstein> sure... im glad to give it... im on some bad internet though...
[20:48] <holstein> cool
[20:48] <holstein> much better :)
[20:50] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: your gear doesnt suck, its just not designed for that purpose
[20:50] <stephenthemartyr> yea i got it
[20:50] <holstein> so, you'll have to be more patient with it, and work a little harder
[20:51] <stephenthemartyr> i just want to have decent demo recordings of my songs with guitars/vocals/hydrogen drums/and sometimes a synth
[20:51] <stephenthemartyr> yea your right
[20:51] <holstein> hmmm
[20:51] <holstein> synth is harder
[20:51] <stephenthemartyr> the problem is i need help from a real person like you
[20:51] <holstein> you can build a part though
[20:51] <stephenthemartyr> i could read 100 pages on things and still not understand
[20:52] <holstein> its challenging to use software synths, since the computer is in charge of creating the sounds you'll need to hear
[20:52] <holstein> but, you can craft a part with some piano roll editor
[20:52] <stephenthemartyr> yea
[20:52] <stephenthemartyr> i have a keyboard
[20:52] <holstein> totally do-able
[20:52] <stephenthemartyr> but apparentely its midi function doesnt work,
[20:52] <holstein> yeah?
[20:52] <holstein> its got a line out i bet :)
[20:52] <stephenthemartyr> pianoroll editor like lmms or is their another
[20:53] <stephenthemartyr> yea it does
[20:53] <stephenthemartyr> why?
[20:53] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: im not sure... you should try and catch [lsd] in #opensourcemusians
[20:53] <holstein> he's my go-to midi guy
[20:53] <stephenthemartyr> cool
[20:53] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: you can just line out of the keyboard, and record it
[20:54] <stephenthemartyr> true
[20:54] <stephenthemartyr> cant tweak the saound as much
[20:54] <stephenthemartyr> buyt its all good
[20:54] <holstein> yeah... do-able :)
[20:54] <stephenthemartyr> i just hope i can get clearer distyortion
[20:54] <holstein> mess around with rackarrack
[20:55] <holstein> i cant imagine *not* getting whatever sound out of that i wanted
[20:55] <holstein> but again, ask in #opensroucemusicians
[20:55] <holstein> those guys use both of those more than i do
[20:55] <holstein> i havent ever used guitarix
[20:55] <holstein> i just really like rackarrack :)
[20:55] <holstein> barely use it though
[20:56] <holstein> i used it 2 months ago when i was demoing ubuntustudio at a LUG meeting
[20:56] <stephenthemartyr> LUG?
[20:56] <holstein> Linux Users Group
[20:56] <stephenthemartyr> I wish i could get a job with ciomputers
[20:57] <holstein> yeah?
[20:57] <stephenthemartyr> is their any kind of helping I can do?
[20:57] <stephenthemartyr> or am I too comp-dumb
[20:57] <holstein> you can help here for experience
[20:57] <stephenthemartyr> where?
[20:57] <holstein> but, helping with ubuntu and getting paid... thats a different story
[20:57] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: here
[20:57] <holstein> you can help in this channel
[20:57] <stephenthemartyr> yea
[20:57] <stephenthemartyr> i know
[20:57] <stephenthemartyr> ill help for free
[20:58] <holstein> #ubuntu-beginners is pretty nice too
[20:58] <holstein> slower pace
[20:58] <holstein> good folks
[20:58] <stephenthemartyr> what would i do and  do any linux need testers or something or
[20:58] <stephenthemartyr> what i just come here and answer questions?
[20:58] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: sure
[20:59] <stephenthemartyr> which
[20:59] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: you should read about the bug squad
[20:59] <holstein> thats a mess really
[20:59] <holstein> a very well organized mess
[20:59] <holstein> the more involved i get with ubuntu the more im amazed that anything gets done
[20:59] <stephenthemartyr> they fix bugs i am assuming
[20:59] <stephenthemartyr> hahah
[20:59] <holstein> its challenging to deal with all the issues
[20:59] <stephenthemartyr> i believe it
[20:59] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: you dont have to *fix* bugs
[21:00] <holstein> triage is what they call it
[21:00] <holstein> marking them properly
[21:00] <holstein> asking for more information
[21:00] <stephenthemartyr> oh marking them doies what
[21:00] <holstein> responding in general really
[21:00] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: just marks them... important, invalid... wont fix... whatever
[21:00] <holstein> i tried the bug squad for a bit
[21:01] <stephenthemartyr> oh ok,so they need help?
[21:01] <holstein> wasnt my thing
[21:01] <stephenthemartyr> oh ok
[21:01] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: they *always* need help
[21:01] <stephenthemartyr> i was hoping something musically computer-like
[21:01] <stephenthemartyr> ha
[21:01] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: join #ubuntustudio-devel
[21:01] <stephenthemartyr> ok what would i be doing?
[21:02] <holstein> there will be testing to do soon
[21:02] <holstein> stephenthemartyr: literally as into it as you want to get
[21:02] <stephenthemartyr> cool!
[21:02] <holstein> right now, you'll just be lurking
[21:02] <holstein> we have a meeting in a few weeks
[21:02] <stephenthemartyr> ok so when you develop it is it a new version that u work on or
[21:02] <stephenthemartyr> lurking?
[21:03] <stephenthemartyr> sounds creepuy
[21:03] <holstein> hehe
[21:03] <stephenthemartyr> @creepy
[21:03] <holstein> well, to be clear, im not a code contributor
[21:03] <stephenthemartyr> gotcha
[21:03] <stephenthemartyr> me neither
[21:03] <stephenthemartyr> ha
[21:03] <holstein> i do what i can here, and i mostly support in this channel, and im still lurking in the other channel
[21:03] <holstein> and have been for over a year now
[21:03] <holstein> i do what i can
[21:03] <stephenthemartyr> whoa
[21:04] <stephenthemartyr> well you have massivly helped me
[21:04] <holstein> im commited to helping out where i can... im just not a coder
[21:04] <stephenthemartyr> what do you do if you dont mind me asking,as a job?
[21:04] <holstein> im a musician
[21:04] <holstein> i play bass
[21:04] <stephenthemartyr> u are a opensource believer
[21:04] <holstein> acoustic
[21:04] <holstein> mostly jazz
[21:04] <stephenthemartyr> oh neato
[21:05] <stephenthemartyr> thats your job?
[21:05] <holstein> yup
[21:05] <stephenthemartyr> whoa
[21:05] <stephenthemartyr> coool
[21:05] <stephenthemartyr> i play guitar and sing
[21:05] <holstein> nice
[21:05] <stephenthemartyr> and piano
[21:05] <stephenthemartyr> but its not my job,cant find one i can do
[21:05] <stephenthemartyr> a job that is
[21:05] <holstein> maybe you can make music and email it in :)
[21:06] <holstein> i do very little of that, but when i do, it makes me wish i could do it more often
[21:06] <holstein> and make more of my living that way
[21:07] <stephenthemartyr> where to/
[21:07] <stephenthemartyr> ?
[21:07] <holstein> email the tracks you mean?
[21:07] <holstein> where ever :)
[21:07] <holstein> whoevers paying the bills
[21:07] <stephenthemartyr> haha
[21:08] <stephenthemartyr> my folks are helpin me rtight now cause i got bit by a tick and got lyme disease which pretty much ruined my twenties
[21:08] <holstein> wow
[21:08] <holstein> sounds rough
[21:08] <stephenthemartyr> they dont really believe in my music unfortunately
[21:08] <stephenthemartyr> eh
[21:09] <stephenthemartyr> im better now,pain and exaustion are the main lingering effects
[21:09] <stephenthemartyr> thanks to G-d,he has helped me alot
[21:09] <stephenthemartyr> not to sound preachy
[21:10] <stephenthemartyr> scare u off?
[21:10] <holstein> nah
[21:10] <stephenthemartyr> ok cool
[21:10] <holstein> i got christian family
[21:11] <holstein> im not an atheist anyways
[21:11] <holstein> thats about as far as i feel i need to personally define it though
[21:11] <stephenthemartyr> right on,id respect you of u were
[21:11] <stephenthemartyr> of=if
[21:11] <holstein> well, let me link my solo album
[21:11] <holstein> http://holstein.bandcamp.com/
[21:11] <holstein> and i gott go get the studio ready for a rehearsal
[21:12] <holstein> then i got a concert later...
[21:12] <stephenthemartyr> have fun!good talking to you
[21:12] <stephenthemartyr> im stephen
[21:12] <holstein> likewise... see you later
[21:44] <prower> hello everyone :> i have a roland um-one usb-to-midi cable for a keyboard i'm trying to get working...it's not appearing in jack anywhere as i've seen others in tutorials though, has anyone else used the same cable or know if there's something else i need to load on boot for it to be detected? it does come up in lsusb